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Anonymous wrote:They bobbed and weaved like proper politicians avoiding truthful answers. It was appalling.

Sorry what was appalling? That the university presidents stand by the first amendment? That no matter how offensive the speech, as long as it doesn’t cross into active bullying or misconduct, it will be allowed? This goes both ways! No one is questioning the Israeli rally where they held posters like finish the job. Finish what job? Of killing all the Palestinian children?

There is nothing offensive about the word intifada or the phrase from the river to the sea. Intifada literally means uprising and yes it’s uprising against the Zionist occupation and the injustices the Palestinians suffer at their hands. It does not mean killing all the Jews or calling for the annihilation of Israel! Zionists need to stop being so insecure. Why are you so hell bent on suppressing free speech?

I think you know quite well what would happen if students chanted or spoke in similar fashion about Black American citizens, the LGBTQ community, women, unhoused individuals living on the streets, any group involving POC, etc. As should happen, I think. Why all the dodging by these three Ivy presidents when it comes to Jews?

But.the.rallies.are.not.talking.about.Jews.

How many times do I have to reiterate that? They are talking about Israel and the war crimes Israel is committing. No one should feel threatened as a Jew. If someone is protesting Saudi Arabia’s treatment of women, Muslims shouldn’t feel threatened either. Speaking against a country does NOT equate to speaking against an entire religion. They did not single out Jews. There are actually thousands of Jewish students taking part in these rallies! They singled out Israel and it’s constant bombing of civilians. Why do you feel so triggered and threatened?

DP.

But.some.people.at.the.rallies.ARE.talking.about.Jews.

Some.people.at.the.rallies.ABSOLUTELY.support.Hamas. and/or. the.annihilation.of.Israel.

How many times do we have to reiterate THAT?

It's an indisputable fact.

We've seen the signs, the chants, the posts all over this message board. We've seen the hostage posters torn down, the abhorrent social media posts. The vandalism at synagogues. The hate.

FFS, look around you. YOUR intentions may be pure/humanitarian, but the people you're standing with?

Get your head out of...the sand.

Please show me any images where students at these rallies are calling for Jewish genocide. Any video? Any pictures of the posters and slogans? Again criticism of a country’s actions does not equate to attacking a religious group. When students are calling for an end to military aid because that aid is being used to bomb children and women, it is NOT hate speech. When they are calling for a ceasefire, it is NOT hate speech. Just because they are speaking up for Palestinians, doesn’t mean they support Hamas.

The university presidents became intimidated by the questioning which is tragic. Yes they should have absolutely denounced any statements calling for the genocide of Jews but they also should have said we have seen no evidence of students chanting that or promoting that message or having caused harm to any student on campus.

I am not denying anti semitism exists but these students weren’t a part of it. Islamophobia exists too and we have seen lives lost because of that but I don’t see any outrage over that. Such double standards. I stand by my statement- you feel threatened by people speaking up for the other side.

NP. Okay, now we know you are absurd. The bolded is ridiculous.

I suppose you also cheer on the people who surrounded a small Jewish-owned falafel restaurant in Philadelphia and cheered “Goldie, Goldie you can’t hide, we charge you with genocide.” Students were there, too.

I’m not Jewish and have no ties to Israel whatsoever but the blatant denial of antisemitism and the threats are so obvious that only people deliberately trying to deny those facts can ignore it.

No I don’t cheer on protestors harassing Jewish restaurant owners just like I don’t cheer on the previous state official from the Bush and Obama administration harassing a street cart vendor and spewing Islamophobic statements asking if he rapes his daughter. I don’t support any such harassment but for you to solely focus on anti semitism and completely ignore the rampant Islamophobia shows your double standards. Still waiting on pictures or videos of posters and slogans by students of these universities in question where people have called for a genocide of Jews.

Nice job ignoring the post on the previous page that directly cites examples of support for Hamas (your previous criterion).

You're not serious about this at all--just playing propaganda games.

+1 sounds like a very liberal Ivy professor

sounds like the flipside of a MAGA.

Just as we saw a few years ago with MAGAs - they are too far gone in their echo chamber, they've been brainwashed too much by Fox News et al to listen to reason. We are seeing it now on the left. They are too far gone in their echo chamber, they've been brainwashed too much by DEI to listen to reason.

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Anonymous wrote:Having a viewpoint and acting on a viewpoint are not the same thing. Essentially, this is what the university presidents were trying to articulate at the hearing. They attempted to articulate the balance of allowing freedom of thought while prohibiting criminal activity motivated by thought.

Gay, Magill, and Kornbluth were put into an impossible situation. Charged emotions, desires to dismantle higher education, and efforts to score cheap political points all worked in various ways to derail the possibility of any meaningful conversation or discussion.

Oh come on. Many, many people are called before Congress for very tricky situations and do fine overall, because they prepare well and aren’t arrogant. The problem is that these three aren’t used to any pushback and went in overconfident, underprepared, and arrogant.

The real issue here is that these three have set up their own systems at the schools so they don’t ever have to encounter any real thought challenges. So, they weren’t prepared. Congressional witnesses can be prepared successfully, but the speakers have to approach the process with humility and that obviously didn’t happen here.

+1 Exactly! They didn't prepare, and their true thoughts and biases were on display.

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Anonymous wrote:They bobbed and weaved like proper politicians avoiding truthful answers. It was appalling.

Sorry what was appalling? That the university presidents stand by the first amendment? That no matter how offensive the speech, as long as it doesn’t cross into active bullying or misconduct, it will be allowed? This goes both ways! No one is questioning the Israeli rally where they held posters like finish the job. Finish what job? Of killing all the Palestinian children?

There is nothing offensive about the word intifada or the phrase from the river to the sea. Intifada literally means uprising and yes it’s uprising against the Zionist occupation and the injustices the Palestinians suffer at their hands. It does not mean killing all the Jews or calling for the annihilation of Israel! Zionists need to stop being so insecure. Why are you so hell bent on suppressing free speech?

I think you know quite well what would happen if students chanted or spoke in similar fashion about Black American citizens, the LGBTQ community, women, unhoused individuals living on the streets, any group involving POC, etc. As should happen, I think. Why all the dodging by these three Ivy presidents when it comes to Jews?

But.the.rallies.are.not.talking.about.Jews.

How many times do I have to reiterate that? They are talking about Israel and the war crimes Israel is committing. No one should feel threatened as a Jew. If someone is protesting Saudi Arabia’s treatment of women, Muslims shouldn’t feel threatened either. Speaking against a country does NOT equate to speaking against an entire religion. They did not single out Jews. There are actually thousands of Jewish students taking part in these rallies! They singled out Israel and it’s constant bombing of civilians. Why do you feel so triggered and threatened?

DP.

But.some.people.at.the.rallies.ARE.talking.about.Jews.

Some.people.at.the.rallies.ABSOLUTELY.support.Hamas. and/or. the.annihilation.of.Israel.

How many times do we have to reiterate THAT?

It's an indisputable fact.

We've seen the signs, the chants, the posts all over this message board. We've seen the hostage posters torn down, the abhorrent social media posts. The vandalism at synagogues. The hate.

FFS, look around you. YOUR intentions may be pure/humanitarian, but the people you're standing with?

Get your head out of...the sand.

Please show me any images where students at these rallies are calling for Jewish genocide. Any video? Any pictures of the posters and slogans? Again criticism of a country’s actions does not equate to attacking a religious group. When students are calling for an end to military aid because that aid is being used to bomb children and women, it is NOT hate speech. When they are calling for a ceasefire, it is NOT hate speech. Just because they are speaking up for Palestinians, doesn’t mean they support Hamas.

The university presidents became intimidated by the questioning which is tragic. Yes they should have absolutely denounced any statements calling for the genocide of Jews but they also should have said we have seen no evidence of students chanting that or promoting that message or having caused harm to any student on campus.

I am not denying anti semitism exists but these students weren’t a part of it. Islamophobia exists too and we have seen lives lost because of that but I don’t see any outrage over that. Such double standards. I stand by my statement- you feel threatened by people speaking up for the other side.

NP. Okay, now we know you are absurd. The bolded is ridiculous.

I suppose you also cheer on the people who surrounded a small Jewish-owned falafel restaurant in Philadelphia and cheered “Goldie, Goldie you can’t hide, we charge you with genocide.” Students were there, too.

I’m not Jewish and have no ties to Israel whatsoever but the blatant denial of antisemitism and the threats are so obvious that only people deliberately trying to deny those facts can ignore it.

No I don’t cheer on protestors harassing Jewish restaurant owners just like I don’t cheer on the previous state official from the Bush and Obama administration harassing a street cart vendor and spewing Islamophobic statements asking if he rapes his daughter. I don’t support any such harassment but for you to solely focus on anti semitism and completely ignore the rampant Islamophobia shows your double standards. Still waiting on pictures or videos of posters and slogans by students of these universities in question where people have called for a genocide of Jews.

Nice job ignoring the post on the previous page that directly cites examples of support for Hamas (your previous criterion).

You're not serious about this at all--just playing propaganda games.

+1 sounds like a very liberal Ivy professor

sounds like the flipside of a MAGA.

Just as we saw a few years ago with MAGAs - they are too far gone in their echo chamber, they've been brainwashed too much by Fox News et al to listen to reason. We are seeing it now on the left. They are too far gone in their echo chamber, they've been brainwashed too much by DEI to listen to reason.

+1 PP here. Agree!

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Anonymous wrote:They bobbed and weaved like proper politicians avoiding truthful answers. It was appalling.

Sorry what was appalling? That the university presidents stand by the first amendment? That no matter how offensive the speech, as long as it doesn’t cross into active bullying or misconduct, it will be allowed? This goes both ways! No one is questioning the Israeli rally where they held posters like finish the job. Finish what job? Of killing all the Palestinian children?

There is nothing offensive about the word intifada or the phrase from the river to the sea. Intifada literally means uprising and yes it’s uprising against the Zionist occupation and the injustices the Palestinians suffer at their hands. It does not mean killing all the Jews or calling for the annihilation of Israel! Zionists need to stop being so insecure. Why are you so hell bent on suppressing free speech?

I think you know quite well what would happen if students chanted or spoke in similar fashion about Black American citizens, the LGBTQ community, women, unhoused individuals living on the streets, any group involving POC, etc. As should happen, I think. Why all the dodging by these three Ivy presidents when it comes to Jews?

But.the.rallies.are.not.talking.about.Jews.

How many times do I have to reiterate that? They are talking about Israel and the war crimes Israel is committing. No one should feel threatened as a Jew. If someone is protesting Saudi Arabia’s treatment of women, Muslims shouldn’t feel threatened either. Speaking against a country does NOT equate to speaking against an entire religion. They did not single out Jews. There are actually thousands of Jewish students taking part in these rallies! They singled out Israel and it’s constant bombing of civilians. Why do you feel so triggered and threatened?

DP.

But.some.people.at.the.rallies.ARE.talking.about.Jews.

Some.people.at.the.rallies.ABSOLUTELY.support.Hamas. and/or. the.annihilation.of.Israel.

How many times do we have to reiterate THAT?

It's an indisputable fact.

We've seen the signs, the chants, the posts all over this message board. We've seen the hostage posters torn down, the abhorrent social media posts. The vandalism at synagogues. The hate.

FFS, look around you. YOUR intentions may be pure/humanitarian, but the people you're standing with?

Get your head out of...the sand.

Please show me any images where students at these rallies are calling for Jewish genocide. Any video? Any pictures of the posters and slogans? Again criticism of a country’s actions does not equate to attacking a religious group. When students are calling for an end to military aid because that aid is being used to bomb children and women, it is NOT hate speech. When they are calling for a ceasefire, it is NOT hate speech. Just because they are speaking up for Palestinians, doesn’t mean they support Hamas.

The university presidents became intimidated by the questioning which is tragic. Yes they should have absolutely denounced any statements calling for the genocide of Jews but they also should have said we have seen no evidence of students chanting that or promoting that message or having caused harm to any student on campus.

I am not denying anti semitism exists but these students weren’t a part of it. Islamophobia exists too and we have seen lives lost because of that but I don’t see any outrage over that. Such double standards. I stand by my statement- you feel threatened by people speaking up for the other side.

NP. Okay, now we know you are absurd. The bolded is ridiculous.

I suppose you also cheer on the people who surrounded a small Jewish-owned falafel restaurant in Philadelphia and cheered “Goldie, Goldie you can’t hide, we charge you with genocide.” Students were there, too.

I’m not Jewish and have no ties to Israel whatsoever but the blatant denial of antisemitism and the threats are so obvious that only people deliberately trying to deny those facts can ignore it.

No I don’t cheer on protestors harassing Jewish restaurant owners just like I don’t cheer on the previous state official from the Bush and Obama administration harassing a street cart vendor and spewing Islamophobic statements asking if he rapes his daughter. I don’t support any such harassment but for you to solely focus on anti semitism and completely ignore the rampant Islamophobia shows your double standards. Still waiting on pictures or videos of posters and slogans by students of these universities in question where people have called for a genocide of Jews.

Nice job ignoring the post on the previous page that directly cites examples of support for Hamas (your previous criterion).

You're not serious about this at all--just playing propaganda games.

+1 sounds like a very liberal Ivy professor

sounds like the flipside of a MAGA.

Just as we saw a few years ago with MAGAs - they are too far gone in their echo chamber, they've been brainwashed too much by Fox News et al to listen to reason. We are seeing it now on the left. They are too far gone in their echo chamber, they've been brainwashed too much by DEI to listen to reason.

+1 PP here. Agree!

Oh, same here! I'm a moderate and think some of this stuff is nuts.

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At the beginning of this thread posters tried to steer the thread away from the debate about whether "from the river to the sea" chants are a call for genocide. Posters argued that it doesn't matter when the university presidents answered (flubbed) direct questions about whether calling for the genocide of the Jews violated university policies.

Leaving aside the ongoing disagreement on whether it is or isn't a call to violence... What stumped me from moment one was why Magill didn't go where we have have on this thread. Why didn't she just say, '"from the river to the sea" is not a call for the genocide of the Jews"??? If she had just said that, however she wanted to explain that assessment, she would not have looked so inconsistent or hypocritical (or weirdly legalistic).

I went to Harvard decades ago and heard plenty of what-are-the-limits-on-free-speech debates. This stuff is not new. Even the accusations of hypocrisy are not new. Of course the universities are going to look ridiculous if they suddenly declare that they are constrained by the First Amendment.

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Anonymous wrote:Any pro-Hamas (aka pro-Palestinian) speech is calling for genocide against the global Jewish population. Period.

U.S. Jews are deeply thankful for the small majority of American politicians, such as Stephanik, Donald Trump, and others who are fighting to protect us from the genocide that we face on a daily basis.

Intelligent American Jews know that 1) not everything “pro-palestinian” is “pro-Hamas” and 2) Donald Trump has done more to unleash the forces of anti-semitism that threaten the safety of American Jews than any American politician of the last 30 years

DP. Such an ignorant remark. I am an “intelligent American Jew” and I agree 100% with the PP. Donald Trump isn’t my favorite person in the world (by far), but it is unquestionable that he was and is a friend to Jews. Same with DeSantis. This is unequivocally correct.

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Anonymous wrote:They bobbed and weaved like proper politicians avoiding truthful answers. It was appalling.

Sorry what was appalling? That the university presidents stand by the first amendment? That no matter how offensive the speech, as long as it doesn’t cross into active bullying or misconduct, it will be allowed? This goes both ways! No one is questioning the Israeli rally where they held posters like finish the job. Finish what job? Of killing all the Palestinian children?

There is nothing offensive about the word intifada or the phrase from the river to the sea. Intifada literally means uprising and yes it’s uprising against the Zionist occupation and the injustices the Palestinians suffer at their hands. It does not mean killing all the Jews or calling for the annihilation of Israel! Zionists need to stop being so insecure. Why are you so hell bent on suppressing free speech?

I think you know quite well what would happen if students chanted or spoke in similar fashion about Black American citizens, the LGBTQ community, women, unhoused individuals living on the streets, any group involving POC, etc. As should happen, I think. Why all the dodging by these three Ivy presidents when it comes to Jews?

+ a million
The hypocrisy from the left is staggering.

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Anonymous wrote:They bobbed and weaved like proper politicians avoiding truthful answers. It was appalling.

Sorry what was appalling? That the university presidents stand by the first amendment? That no matter how offensive the speech, as long as it doesn’t cross into active bullying or misconduct, it will be allowed? This goes both ways! No one is questioning the Israeli rally where they held posters like finish the job. Finish what job? Of killing all the Palestinian children?

There is nothing offensive about the word intifada or the phrase from the river to the sea. Intifada literally means uprising and yes it’s uprising against the Zionist occupation and the injustices the Palestinians suffer at their hands. It does not mean killing all the Jews or calling for the annihilation of Israel! Zionists need to stop being so insecure. Why are you so hell bent on suppressing free speech?

I think you know quite well what would happen if students chanted or spoke in similar fashion about Black American citizens, the LGBTQ community, women, unhoused individuals living on the streets, any group involving POC, etc. As should happen, I think. Why all the dodging by these three Ivy presidents when it comes to Jews?

But.the.rallies.are.not.talking.about.Jews.

How many times do I have to reiterate that? They are talking about Israel and the war crimes Israel is committing. No one should feel threatened as a Jew. If someone is protesting Saudi Arabia’s treatment of women, Muslims shouldn’t feel threatened either. Speaking against a country does NOT equate to speaking against an entire religion. They did not single out Jews. There are actually thousands of Jewish students taking part in these rallies! They singled out Israel and it’s constant bombing of civilians. Why do you feel so triggered and threatened?

DP.

But.some.people.at.the.rallies.ARE.talking.about.Jews.

Some.people.at.the.rallies.ABSOLUTELY.support.Hamas. and/or. the.annihilation.of.Israel.

How many times do we have to reiterate THAT?

It's an indisputable fact.

We've seen the signs, the chants, the posts all over this message board. We've seen the hostage posters torn down, the abhorrent social media posts. The vandalism at synagogues. The hate.

FFS, look around you. YOUR intentions may be pure/humanitarian, but the people you're standing with?

Get your head out of...the sand.

Please show me any images where students at these rallies are calling for Jewish genocide. Any video? Any pictures of the posters and slogans? Again criticism of a country’s actions does not equate to attacking a religious group. When students are calling for an end to military aid because that aid is being used to bomb children and women, it is NOT hate speech. When they are calling for a ceasefire, it is NOT hate speech. Just because they are speaking up for Palestinians, doesn’t mean they support Hamas.

The university presidents became intimidated by the questioning which is tragic. Yes they should have absolutely denounced any statements calling for the genocide of Jews but they also should have said we have seen no evidence of students chanting that or promoting that message or having caused harm to any student on campus.

I am not denying anti semitism exists but these students weren’t a part of it. Islamophobia exists too and we have seen lives lost because of that but I don’t see any outrage over that. Such double standards. I stand by my statement- you feel threatened by people speaking up for the other side.

NP. Okay, now we know you are absurd. The bolded is ridiculous.

I suppose you also cheer on the people who surrounded a small Jewish-owned falafel restaurant in Philadelphia and cheered “Goldie, Goldie you can’t hide, we charge you with genocide.” Students were there, too.

I’m not Jewish and have no ties to Israel whatsoever but the blatant denial of antisemitism and the threats are so obvious that only people deliberately trying to deny those facts can ignore it.

No I don’t cheer on protestors harassing Jewish restaurant owners just like I don’t cheer on the previous state official from the Bush and Obama administration harassing a street cart vendor and spewing Islamophobic statements asking if he rapes his daughter. I don’t support any such harassment but for you to solely focus on anti semitism and completely ignore the rampant Islamophobia shows your double standards. Still waiting on pictures or videos of posters and slogans by students of these universities in question where people have called for a genocide of Jews.

Nice job ignoring the post on the previous page that directly cites examples of support for Hamas (your previous criterion).

You're not serious about this at all--just playing propaganda games.

+1 sounds like a very liberal Ivy professor

sounds like the flipside of a MAGA.

Just as we saw a few years ago with MAGAs - they are too far gone in their echo chamber, they've been brainwashed too much by Fox News et al to listen to reason. We are seeing it now on the left. They are too far gone in their echo chamber, they've been brainwashed too much by DEI to listen to reason.

LOL seems like you and your minions are the ones in the echo chamber. Keep on harping about how great Israel is and any criticism of Israel is anti semitism

Still waiting on evidence regarding students chanting genocide of Jews and death to the Jews in their rallies. The links posted did not show that so nice try

Stop suppressing free speech. Please stop feeling threatened by people speaking up for the other side. Others can be victims too. Jews don’t have a perpetual free ride to victimhood, understand?

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Anonymous wrote:They bobbed and weaved like proper politicians avoiding truthful answers. It was appalling.

Sorry what was appalling? That the university presidents stand by the first amendment? That no matter how offensive the speech, as long as it doesn’t cross into active bullying or misconduct, it will be allowed? This goes both ways! No one is questioning the Israeli rally where they held posters like finish the job. Finish what job? Of killing all the Palestinian children?

There is nothing offensive about the word intifada or the phrase from the river to the sea. Intifada literally means uprising and yes it’s uprising against the Zionist occupation and the injustices the Palestinians suffer at their hands. It does not mean killing all the Jews or calling for the annihilation of Israel! Zionists need to stop being so insecure. Why are you so hell bent on suppressing free speech?

I think you know quite well what would happen if students chanted or spoke in similar fashion about Black American citizens, the LGBTQ community, women, unhoused individuals living on the streets, any group involving POC, etc. As should happen, I think. Why all the dodging by these three Ivy presidents when it comes to Jews?

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The hypocrisy from the left is staggering.

Holding on to perpetual victimhood is also staggering. You are the hypocrite here. Conflating Jews with Israel when there are thousands of Jews who refuse to associate with Israel and keep speaking up against its war crimes. None of the students in these universities carried out any harassment or violent attack against Jews and you just want to attack their first amendment rights because it doesn’t fit your narrative where Israel should be allowed to do whatever it wants because…..victimhood.

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Anonymous wrote:Any pro-Hamas (aka pro-Palestinian) speech is calling for genocide against the global Jewish population. Period.

U.S. Jews are deeply thankful for the small majority of American politicians, such as Stephanik, Donald Trump, and others who are fighting to protect us from the genocide that we face on a daily basis.

Intelligent American Jews know that 1) not everything “pro-palestinian” is “pro-Hamas” and 2) Donald Trump has done more to unleash the forces of anti-semitism that threaten the safety of American Jews than any American politician of the last 30 years

DP. Such an ignorant remark. I am an “intelligent American Jew” and I agree 100% with the PP. Donald Trump isn’t my favorite person in the world (by far), but it is unquestionable that he was and is a friend to Jews. Same with DeSantis. This is unequivocally correct.

Agree.

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Anonymous wrote:Any pro-Hamas (aka pro-Palestinian) speech is calling for genocide against the global Jewish population. Period.

U.S. Jews are deeply thankful for the small majority of American politicians, such as Stephanik, Donald Trump, and others who are fighting to protect us from the genocide that we face on a daily basis.

Intelligent American Jews know that 1) not everything “pro-palestinian” is “pro-Hamas” and 2) Donald Trump has done more to unleash the forces of anti-semitism that threaten the safety of American Jews than any American politician of the last 30 years

DP. Such an ignorant remark. I am an “intelligent American Jew” and I agree 100% with the PP. Donald Trump isn’t my favorite person in the world (by far), but it is unquestionable that he was and is a friend to Jews. Same with DeSantis. This is unequivocally correct.

Trump only ever relates to Jews from the bigoted stereotype that American Jews care about Israel and money and nothing else. His “friend to Jews” claim is that you owe him your allegiance because he deferred to Netanyahu and he cut taxes. He likes you because he believes you are easily bribed.

[Anonymous]

This story is yet another reminder that Joe Biden is going to be very tough to beat in 2024. He’s taken a lot of heat for aligning himself with Israel, but clearly, given the acclamation and praise Stefanik is now receiving, the man has solid political instincts and is very good at sidestepping landmines.

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Anonymous wrote:They bobbed and weaved like proper politicians avoiding truthful answers. It was appalling.

Sorry what was appalling? That the university presidents stand by the first amendment? That no matter how offensive the speech, as long as it doesn’t cross into active bullying or misconduct, it will be allowed? This goes both ways! No one is questioning the Israeli rally where they held posters like finish the job. Finish what job? Of killing all the Palestinian children?

There is nothing offensive about the word intifada or the phrase from the river to the sea. Intifada literally means uprising and yes it’s uprising against the Zionist occupation and the injustices the Palestinians suffer at their hands. It does not mean killing all the Jews or calling for the annihilation of Israel! Zionists need to stop being so insecure. Why are you so hell bent on suppressing free speech?

I think you know quite well what would happen if students chanted or spoke in similar fashion about Black American citizens, the LGBTQ community, women, unhoused individuals living on the streets, any group involving POC, etc. As should happen, I think. Why all the dodging by these three Ivy presidents when it comes to Jews?

But.the.rallies.are.not.talking.about.Jews.

How many times do I have to reiterate that? They are talking about Israel and the war crimes Israel is committing. No one should feel threatened as a Jew. If someone is protesting Saudi Arabia’s treatment of women, Muslims shouldn’t feel threatened either. Speaking against a country does NOT equate to speaking against an entire religion. They did not single out Jews. There are actually thousands of Jewish students taking part in these rallies! They singled out Israel and it’s constant bombing of civilians. Why do you feel so triggered and threatened?

DP.

But.some.people.at.the.rallies.ARE.talking.about.Jews.

Some.people.at.the.rallies.ABSOLUTELY.support.Hamas. and/or. the.annihilation.of.Israel.

How many times do we have to reiterate THAT?

It's an indisputable fact.

We've seen the signs, the chants, the posts all over this message board. We've seen the hostage posters torn down, the abhorrent social media posts. The vandalism at synagogues. The hate.

FFS, look around you. YOUR intentions may be pure/humanitarian, but the people you're standing with?

Get your head out of...the sand.

Please show me any images where students at these rallies are calling for Jewish genocide. Any video? Any pictures of the posters and slogans? Again criticism of a country’s actions does not equate to attacking a religious group. When students are calling for an end to military aid because that aid is being used to bomb children and women, it is NOT hate speech. When they are calling for a ceasefire, it is NOT hate speech. Just because they are speaking up for Palestinians, doesn’t mean they support Hamas.

The university presidents became intimidated by the questioning which is tragic. Yes they should have absolutely denounced any statements calling for the genocide of Jews but they also should have said we have seen no evidence of students chanting that or promoting that message or having caused harm to any student on campus.

I am not denying anti semitism exists but these students weren’t a part of it. Islamophobia exists too and we have seen lives lost because of that but I don’t see any outrage over that. Such double standards. I stand by my statement- you feel threatened by people speaking up for the other side.

NP. Okay, now we know you are absurd. The bolded is ridiculous.

I suppose you also cheer on the people who surrounded a small Jewish-owned falafel restaurant in Philadelphia and cheered “Goldie, Goldie you can’t hide, we charge you with genocide.” Students were there, too.

I’m not Jewish and have no ties to Israel whatsoever but the blatant denial of antisemitism and the threats are so obvious that only people deliberately trying to deny those facts can ignore it.

No I don’t cheer on protestors harassing Jewish restaurant owners just like I don’t cheer on the previous state official from the Bush and Obama administration harassing a street cart vendor and spewing Islamophobic statements asking if he rapes his daughter. I don’t support any such harassment but for you to solely focus on anti semitism and completely ignore the rampant Islamophobia shows your double standards. Still waiting on pictures or videos of posters and slogans by students of these universities in question where people have called for a genocide of Jews.

Nice job ignoring the post on the previous page that directly cites examples of support for Hamas (your previous criterion).

You're not serious about this at all--just playing propaganda games.

+1 sounds like a very liberal Ivy professor

sounds like the flipside of a MAGA.

Just as we saw a few years ago with MAGAs - they are too far gone in their echo chamber, they've been brainwashed too much by Fox News et al to listen to reason. We are seeing it now on the left. They are too far gone in their echo chamber, they've been brainwashed too much by DEI to listen to reason.

LOL seems like you and your minions are the ones in the echo chamber. Keep on harping about how great Israel is and any criticism of Israel is anti semitism

Still waiting on evidence regarding students chanting genocide of Jews and death to the Jews in their rallies. The links posted did not show that so nice try

Stop suppressing free speech. Please stop feeling threatened by people speaking up for the other side. Others can be victims too. Jews don’t have a perpetual free ride to victimhood, understand?

Just bumping this comment so that everyone can see your behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any pro-Hamas (aka pro-Palestinian) speech is calling for genocide against the global Jewish population. Period.

U.S. Jews are deeply thankful for the small majority of American politicians, such as Stephanik, Donald Trump, and others who are fighting to protect us from the genocide that we face on a daily basis.

Intelligent American Jews know that 1) not everything “pro-palestinian” is “pro-Hamas” and 2) Donald Trump has done more to unleash the forces of anti-semitism that threaten the safety of American Jews than any American politician of the last 30 years

DP. Such an ignorant remark. I am an “intelligent American Jew” and I agree 100% with the PP. Donald Trump isn’t my favorite person in the world (by far), but it is unquestionable that he was and is a friend to Jews. Same with DeSantis. This is unequivocally correct.

That must be why Nazis feel free to demonstrate in Florida and DeSantis does nothing about it— can’t even be bothered to acknowledge it’s happening, because he is a friend to Jews. 🙄