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Anonymous wrote:So Magill is under fire because the university held a Palestine Writes Literature Festival. Rich donors attacked the university because of this event and said it was antisemitic?
Now Magill is being targeted because she was asked a hypothetical question about something that did not occurs?

This is McCarthyism.

But why was it so hard to just condemn the hypothetical. It was a slam dunk. Her feelings on the issue were exposed.

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Anonymous wrote:Any pro-Hamas (aka pro-Palestinian) speech is calling for genocide against the global Jewish population. Period.

U.S. Jews are deeply thankful for the small majority of American politicians, such as Stephanik, Donald Trump, and others who are fighting to protect us from the genocide that we face on a daily basis.

Intelligent American Jews know that 1) not everything “pro-palestinian” is “pro-Hamas” and 2) Donald Trump has done more to unleash the forces of anti-semitism that threaten the safety of American Jews than any American politician of the last 30 years

DP. Such an ignorant remark. I am an “intelligent American Jew” and I agree 100% with the PP. Donald Trump isn’t my favorite person in the world (by far), but it is unquestionable that he was and is a friend to Jews. Same with DeSantis. This is unequivocally correct.

That must be why Nazis feel free to demonstrate in Florida and DeSantis does nothing about it— can’t even be bothered to acknowledge it’s happening, because he is a friend to Jews. 🙄

But 'context"...did they DO anything?

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Anonymous wrote:So Magill is under fire because the university held a Palestine Writes Literature Festival. Rich donors attacked the university because of this event and said it was antisemitic?
Now Magill is being targeted because she was asked a hypothetical question about something that did not occurs?

This is McCarthyism.

But why was it so hard to just condemn the hypothetical. It was a slam dunk. Her feelings on the issue were exposed.

+1 sadly true

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Anonymous wrote:So Magill is under fire because the university held a Palestine Writes Literature Festival. Rich donors attacked the university because of this event and said it was antisemitic?
Now Magill is being targeted because she was asked a hypothetical question about something that did not occurs?

This is McCarthyism.

It wasn't a bona-fide literature festival. It was a hate group meeting calling itself a literature festival.

It's a university. If there are never any conversations or discussions going on at a university that make anyone uncomfortable, ever, it's not a very good university. It's not like every student was required to attend. I'm a Jewish Penn alum who believes in Israel's right to exist and to self-defense (though I also disagree sharply with the current government and the way the war is being waged, fwiw), and I think this whole thing is being absurdly overblown -- especially the trustees who have written agonized public letters implying that the Oct. 7 attacks only happened because of the literature festival. Guess what: Hamas doesn't care what happens on Penn's campus, and they don't need encouragement or condemnation from the Ivy League.

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Anonymous wrote:Any pro-Hamas (aka pro-Palestinian) speech is calling for genocide against the global Jewish population. Period.

U.S. Jews are deeply thankful for the small majority of American politicians, such as Stephanik, Donald Trump, and others who are fighting to protect us from the genocide that we face on a daily basis.

Intelligent American Jews know that 1) not everything “pro-palestinian” is “pro-Hamas” and 2) Donald Trump has done more to unleash the forces of anti-semitism that threaten the safety of American Jews than any American politician of the last 30 years

DP. Such an ignorant remark. I am an “intelligent American Jew” and I agree 100% with the PP. Donald Trump isn’t my favorite person in the world (by far), but it is unquestionable that he was and is a friend to Jews. Same with DeSantis. This is unequivocally correct.

Trump only ever relates to Jews from the bigoted stereotype that American Jews care about Israel and money and nothing else. His “friend to Jews” claim is that you owe him your allegiance because he deferred to Netanyahu and he cut taxes. He likes you because he believes you are easily bribed.

Perhaps. Have you forgotten that several of his blood descendants are Jews?

"Blood descendants" is a weird and icky term, btw.

But more importantly, Trump will not ever represent the sensible center. He has played a major role in emboldened accelerationists on both extremes and the regimes that stand to benefit from dysfunction in the US (Russia!) That have their trolls out in force to stir up trouble in our midst.

President Biden has to keep the crazy, burn-it-all-down leftists quiet, and it is awful that he is encumbered by that pressure from his own party, but he clearly has not been drinking their Kool Aid and has been a far better advocate for the security of Jews here and in Israel than crazyman Trump will ever be.

+1

Biden is the sensible center. Americans know this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So Magill is under fire because the university held a Palestine Writes Literature Festival. Rich donors attacked the university because of this event and said it was antisemitic?
Now Magill is being targeted because she was asked a hypothetical question about something that did not occurs?

This is McCarthyism.

It wasn't a bona-fide literature festival. It was a hate group meeting calling itself a literature festival.

It's a university. If there are never any conversations or discussions going on at a university that make anyone uncomfortable, ever, it's not a very good university. It's not like every student was required to attend. I'm a Jewish Penn alum who believes in Israel's right to exist and to self-defense (though I also disagree sharply with the current government and the way the war is being waged, fwiw), and I think this whole thing is being absurdly overblown -- especially the trustees who have written agonized public letters implying that the Oct. 7 attacks only happened because of the literature festival. Guess what: Hamas doesn't care what happens on Penn's campus, and they don't need encouragement or condemnation from the Ivy League.

Of course our enemies care what goes on campuses, our next set of leaders come from these campuses. Remember, our adversaries play the long game. Currently is the goal to sour young people in the U.S. on Israel (and yes, also Jews), these young people enter gov't and decide that Israel is a terrorist state, Israel falls w/o our support and its neighbors can have its way with it. That is their plan (I don't think Israel would fall if U.S. stops whatever it does for the country, but our adversaries think this--read this site, that is all they talk about U.S. support this, U.S. support that)

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Anonymous wrote:So Magill is under fire because the university held a Palestine Writes Literature Festival. Rich donors attacked the university because of this event and said it was antisemitic?
Now Magill is being targeted because she was asked a hypothetical question about something that did not occurs?

This is McCarthyism.

But why was it so hard to just condemn the hypothetical. It was a slam dunk. Her feelings on the issue were exposed.

As soon as you answer the question you lose. This is a joke. I hope she stays on. This is not Israel where people are arrested and thrown in prison.

[Anonymous]

So was there ever anything said or done that would be considered antisemitic by normal standards?

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Anonymous wrote:So was there ever anything said or done that would be considered antisemitic by normal standards?

Well Israel was criticized for bombing civilians and there were calls for a ceasefire and the phrase from the river to the sea was mentioned. You know all these things are very anti semitic right and threaten the existence of Jews

I cannot believe people are getting upset at students for voicing their opinions when they caused no harm to anyone let alone anyone Jewish. Some people are so insecure about their Jewish identity.

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Anonymous wrote:So was there ever anything said or done that would be considered antisemitic by normal standards?

At the literary festival?

Roger Waters (he of Nazi uniform infamy) was invited.

A speaker had previously called for “death to Israel”.

Another called Israel “a demonic, sick project” and added that she “can’t wait for the day we commemorate its end.”

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Anonymous wrote:So Magill is under fire because the university held a Palestine Writes Literature Festival. Rich donors attacked the university because of this event and said it was antisemitic?
Now Magill is being targeted because she was asked a hypothetical question about something that did not occurs?

This is McCarthyism.

But why was it so hard to just condemn the hypothetical. It was a slam dunk. Her feelings on the issue were exposed.

As soon as you answer the question you lose. This is a joke. I hope she stays on. This is not Israel where people are arrested and thrown in prison.

Many of us prefer a leader who has the intelligence and integrity to answer a question sincerely and candidly without hedging, dodging, and sounding like an attorney. It seems as if you prefer someone who is not honest.

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Anonymous wrote:They bobbed and weaved like proper politicians avoiding truthful answers. It was appalling.

Sorry what was appalling? That the university presidents stand by the first amendment? That no matter how offensive the speech, as long as it doesn’t cross into active bullying or misconduct, it will be allowed? This goes both ways! No one is questioning the Israeli rally where they held posters like finish the job. Finish what job? Of killing all the Palestinian children?

There is nothing offensive about the word intifada or the phrase from the river to the sea. Intifada literally means uprising and yes it’s uprising against the Zionist occupation and the injustices the Palestinians suffer at their hands. It does not mean killing all the Jews or calling for the annihilation of Israel! Zionists need to stop being so insecure. Why are you so hell bent on suppressing free speech?

I think you know quite well what would happen if students chanted or spoke in similar fashion about Black American citizens, the LGBTQ community, women, unhoused individuals living on the streets, any group involving POC, etc. As should happen, I think. Why all the dodging by these three Ivy presidents when it comes to Jews?

But.the.rallies.are.not.talking.about.Jews.

How many times do I have to reiterate that? They are talking about Israel and the war crimes Israel is committing. No one should feel threatened as a Jew. If someone is protesting Saudi Arabia’s treatment of women, Muslims shouldn’t feel threatened either. Speaking against a country does NOT equate to speaking against an entire religion. They did not single out Jews. There are actually thousands of Jewish students taking part in these rallies! They singled out Israel and it’s constant bombing of civilians. Why do you feel so triggered and threatened?

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But.some.people.at.the.rallies.ARE.talking.about.Jews.

Some.people.at.the.rallies.ABSOLUTELY.support.Hamas. and/or. the.annihilation.of.Israel.

How many times do we have to reiterate THAT?

It's an indisputable fact.

We've seen the signs, the chants, the posts all over this message board. We've seen the hostage posters torn down, the abhorrent social media posts. The vandalism at synagogues. The hate.

FFS, look around you. YOUR intentions may be pure/humanitarian, but the people you're standing with?

Get your head out of...the sand.

Please show me any images where students at these rallies are calling for Jewish genocide. Any video? Any pictures of the posters and slogans? Again criticism of a country’s actions does not equate to attacking a religious group. When students are calling for an end to military aid because that aid is being used to bomb children and women, it is NOT hate speech. When they are calling for a ceasefire, it is NOT hate speech. Just because they are speaking up for Palestinians, doesn’t mean they support Hamas.

The university presidents became intimidated by the questioning which is tragic. Yes they should have absolutely denounced any statements calling for the genocide of Jews but they also should have said we have seen no evidence of students chanting that or promoting that message or having caused harm to any student on campus.

I am not denying anti semitism exists but these students weren’t a part of it. Islamophobia exists too and we have seen lives lost because of that but I don’t see any outrage over that. Such double standards. I stand by my statement- you feel threatened by people speaking up for the other side.

NP. Okay, now we know you are absurd. The bolded is ridiculous.

I suppose you also cheer on the people who surrounded a small Jewish-owned falafel restaurant in Philadelphia and cheered “Goldie, Goldie you can’t hide, we charge you with genocide.” Students were there, too.

I’m not Jewish and have no ties to Israel whatsoever but the blatant denial of antisemitism and the threats are so obvious that only people deliberately trying to deny those facts can ignore it.

No I don’t cheer on protestors harassing Jewish restaurant owners just like I don’t cheer on the previous state official from the Bush and Obama administration harassing a street cart vendor and spewing Islamophobic statements asking if he rapes his daughter. I don’t support any such harassment but for you to solely focus on anti semitism and completely ignore the rampant Islamophobia shows your double standards. Still waiting on pictures or videos of posters and slogans by students of these universities in question where people have called for a genocide of Jews.

Nice job ignoring the post on the previous page that directly cites examples of support for Hamas (your previous criterion).

You're not serious about this at all--just playing propaganda games.

+1 sounds like a very liberal Ivy professor

sounds like the flipside of a MAGA.

Just as we saw a few years ago with MAGAs - they are too far gone in their echo chamber, they've been brainwashed too much by Fox News et al to listen to reason. We are seeing it now on the left. They are too far gone in their echo chamber, they've been brainwashed too much by DEI to listen to reason.

This precisely. The only sense is to be found in the center. That's always true, but right now we have a real problem with the number of people attracted to either extreme.

Yup.

Between defund the police and “hurrah for Hamas”, I’m beginning to loathe the far left as much as I do MAGA.

Same.

Always identified as a liberal. Remain mystified that anyone supports Trump.

But am appalled with what's happened to the left. Ignorant, hateful people. You get the sense they'd be very enthusiastic for "re-education camps." Progressives have completely lost the plot.

And you see that with the presidents of Harvard, Penn, and MIT. They need to contextualize genocide and hate.

I mean, goodness. Such a softball issue. And they hemmed and hawed. You can tell they think all Jews are oppressive whites keeping the people down. And it's totally fine to "resist" the Jews.

Of course it's acceptible to criticize Israel. No angels. But good lord, where was this energy when it came to Syria, or Myanmar, or China, or the Philippines?

Nowhere.

It's clear what the issue is. Not at all surprised that donors are done. Would be surprised if these presidents are still in their role a year from now.

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From the WSJ

The real issue on campuses isn’t antisemitism but the anti-Western ethos that has colonized large swaths of the curriculum. Elite schools once disdained Jews because they were seen as outsiders to Western civilization. Now they are reviled as that civilization’s very embodiment. Students explain that their hatreds come from what they learn in class—that the West is built on white supremacism and oppression. Israel is cast as the Western settler-colonialist oppressor par excellence.

The Columbia University chapter of Students for Justice in Palestine explained that “our classes regularly discuss the inevitability of resistance as part of the struggle for decolonization. We study under renowned scholars who denounce the fact that the media requires oppressed peoples to be ‘perfect victims’ ”—that is, not to commit acts of terrorism—“in order to deserve sympathy.”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/dei-drives-campus-antisemitism-harvard-ivy-ackman-israel-bds-b19ebd12

This all is why Palestine supporters are so shocked and offended that some think 10/7 was uncalled for and that Israel is allowed to show full force in retaliation. 10/7 was justified and Israel should just understand its culpability and fall back.

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Anonymous wrote:So was there ever anything said or done that would be considered antisemitic by normal standards?

Well Israel was criticized for bombing civilians and there were calls for a ceasefire and the phrase from the river to the sea was mentioned. You know all these things are very anti semitic right and threaten the existence of Jews

I cannot believe people are getting upset at students for voicing their opinions when they caused no harm to anyone let alone anyone Jewish. Some people are so insecure about their Jewish identity.

You haven't touched on what 's been said and done.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From the WSJ

The real issue on campuses isn’t antisemitism but the anti-Western ethos that has colonized large swaths of the curriculum. Elite schools once disdained Jews because they were seen as outsiders to Western civilization. Now they are reviled as that civilization’s very embodiment. Students explain that their hatreds come from what they learn in class—that the West is built on white supremacism and oppression. Israel is cast as the Western settler-colonialist oppressor par excellence.

The Columbia University chapter of Students for Justice in Palestine explained that “our classes regularly discuss the inevitability of resistance as part of the struggle for decolonization. We study under renowned scholars who denounce the fact that the media requires oppressed peoples to be ‘perfect victims’ ”—that is, not to commit acts of terrorism—“in order to deserve sympathy.”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/dei-drives-campus-antisemitism-harvard-ivy-ackman-israel-bds-b19ebd12

This all is why Palestine supporters are so shocked and offended that some think 10/7 was uncalled for and that Israel is allowed to show full force in retaliation. 10/7 was justified and Israel should just understand its culpability and fall back.

The WSJ opinion page = right wing fantasy land.