My kid is in a class with a chair thrower

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you need to go and read the Special Needs forum. Don’t post, just read. See what the parents are going through. Listen to their anguish as they post about struggles getting help for their kids both in school and through private therapies. See the emotional and monetary cost that they are living through.

Most parents are trying to help their kids and are frustrated with the system and how it is failing their kids. They don’t want their kid melting down in your kids class. They don’t want to be judged. They want the best for their kid. They want your kid to be safe.

It sucks having a kid melting down and throwing things and all of that. It sucks for the Teacher, it sucks for the students, it sucks for that kid. No one wants this. But solving it is hard and the families who are working to find a solution know it is expensive, there are not enough providers, and there are not enough Teachers.

Just read what those parents are living through. Hopefully it will reset the issue in your mind. You will still be upset about your kids experience and angry that your kid is in danger but maybe a bit less likely to use words like monster and ashamed and horrible parents. While there are some parents who are horrible, the vast majority os SN parents are working their butts off trying to help their kids. It isn’t easy for them or for the kid. But they are trying and not these absentee parents you think they are.


This isn’t about the parents. We don’t need more empathy here, frankly we need less. We need schools with rules where kids come prepared to learn and teachers are able to teach. Kids who throw chairs when they’re upset do not belong in a regular classroom, period. They need a contained environment.

The pendulum has swung too far the wrong way. I’m sorry for their troubles, but we cannot sacrifice the many for the sake of the violent few. Teachers and students have a right to feel safe in their classrooms.


In-person school should be a privilege for behaved children. If kids cannot function in a classroom, online school should be the default.


Luckily that’s illegal under several federal and state laws. And that’s probably why you were drummed out of MCPS, if you are who I think you are based on your other posts.

Is there a problem? Sure. It’s due to schools fighting parents of special needs who want proper support in the classroom. As demonstrated by the challenges discussed in this thread, everyone benefits when the necessary support is in the classroom.


Let the voters decide. This is the future.


They did. And they elected leaders that passed the 14th amendment, the ADA, IDEA, and a variety of state laws that protect the rights of students with disabilities.


They are ripe to be updated for new tools available.


New tools available? Besides it not being clear what you mean, it’s irrelevant. The laws and regulations don’t specify the means.

You just don’t like that the laws specify that schools must be inclusive. I’m guessing you’re the former principal that now wants to banish kids with disabilities to their homes, which would obviously impose significant limitations on the services and supports they could receive.


dp. Laws are not set in stone. They change and will change, because while compassion is a core value of our society, it does not trump the basic needs of the many. There is a difference between being inclusive and accommodating vs. being consumed by the needs of the few.


Honestly, I don’t think IDEA is driven by compassion. It’s driven by practicality. Children with disabilities still (usually) have decades of life ahead of them. They’re going to have to learn academic, social, and emotional skills in order to function in society. Ignoring their needs on basis that it is too hard, expensive, or uncomfortable for others will simply create bigger problems down the line.


Nope it's not practical to spend 30% of your budget on 1% of the population, who will ultimately still end up being the lowest contributor to society, while significantly impacting the needs of the 99% who will have to slave away to keep this thing going.

It sounds terrible and yet our government and society makes these types of decisions routinely, because unfortunately resources are limited.


So then what's your plan? It's cheaper to intervene when kids are young. If you take that away, what happens to the disabled adults? Spend more? Or do you approve of eugenics? Euthanasia? Please, do tell us all.


Sometimes full-time therapy is more appropriate than regular, in-person school.


You didn’t say what you’re going to do with the adults. Go back to warehousing them in asylums? Or do you just expect them to live on the street until they die from exposure, malnutrition, untreated infections, or violence?


Sadly I live in a west coast city where the default has been the latter. It’s bad. We can’t seem to find a solution between asylums and “die from exposure, malnutrition, untreated infections or violence”.
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Anonymous wrote:Some of you need to go and read the Special Needs forum. Don’t post, just read. See what the parents are going through. Listen to their anguish as they post about struggles getting help for their kids both in school and through private therapies. See the emotional and monetary cost that they are living through.

Most parents are trying to help their kids and are frustrated with the system and how it is failing their kids. They don’t want their kid melting down in your kids class. They don’t want to be judged. They want the best for their kid. They want your kid to be safe.

It sucks having a kid melting down and throwing things and all of that. It sucks for the Teacher, it sucks for the students, it sucks for that kid. No one wants this. But solving it is hard and the families who are working to find a solution know it is expensive, there are not enough providers, and there are not enough Teachers.

Just read what those parents are living through. Hopefully it will reset the issue in your mind. You will still be upset about your kids experience and angry that your kid is in danger but maybe a bit less likely to use words like monster and ashamed and horrible parents. While there are some parents who are horrible, the vast majority os SN parents are working their butts off trying to help their kids. It isn’t easy for them or for the kid. But they are trying and not these absentee parents you think they are.


This isn’t about the parents. We don’t need more empathy here, frankly we need less. We need schools with rules where kids come prepared to learn and teachers are able to teach. Kids who throw chairs when they’re upset do not belong in a regular classroom, period. They need a contained environment.

The pendulum has swung too far the wrong way. I’m sorry for their troubles, but we cannot sacrifice the many for the sake of the violent few. Teachers and students have a right to feel safe in their classrooms.


In-person school should be a privilege for behaved children. If kids cannot function in a classroom, online school should be the default.


Luckily that’s illegal under several federal and state laws. And that’s probably why you were drummed out of MCPS, if you are who I think you are based on your other posts.

Is there a problem? Sure. It’s due to schools fighting parents of special needs who want proper support in the classroom. As demonstrated by the challenges discussed in this thread, everyone benefits when the necessary support is in the classroom.


Let the voters decide. This is the future.


They did. And they elected leaders that passed the 14th amendment, the ADA, IDEA, and a variety of state laws that protect the rights of students with disabilities.


They are ripe to be updated for new tools available.


New tools available? Besides it not being clear what you mean, it’s irrelevant. The laws and regulations don’t specify the means.

You just don’t like that the laws specify that schools must be inclusive. I’m guessing you’re the former principal that now wants to banish kids with disabilities to their homes, which would obviously impose significant limitations on the services and supports they could receive.


dp. Laws are not set in stone. They change and will change, because while compassion is a core value of our society, it does not trump the basic needs of the many. There is a difference between being inclusive and accommodating vs. being consumed by the needs of the few.


Honestly, I don’t think IDEA is driven by compassion. It’s driven by practicality. Children with disabilities still (usually) have decades of life ahead of them. They’re going to have to learn academic, social, and emotional skills in order to function in society. Ignoring their needs on basis that it is too hard, expensive, or uncomfortable for others will simply create bigger problems down the line.


Nope it's not practical to spend 30% of your budget on 1% of the population, who will ultimately still end up being the lowest contributor to society, while significantly impacting the needs of the 99% who will have to slave away to keep this thing going.

It sounds terrible and yet our government and society makes these types of decisions routinely, because unfortunately resources are limited.


So then what's your plan? It's cheaper to intervene when kids are young. If you take that away, what happens to the disabled adults? Spend more? Or do you approve of eugenics? Euthanasia? Please, do tell us all.


Sometimes full-time therapy is more appropriate than regular, in-person school.


You didn’t say what you’re going to do with the adults. Go back to warehousing them in asylums? Or do you just expect them to live on the street until they die from exposure, malnutrition, untreated infections, or violence?


Sadly I live in a west coast city where the default has been the latter. It’s bad. We can’t seem to find a solution between asylums and “die from exposure, malnutrition, untreated infections or violence”.


Are people now blaming public schools for the homeless problem?
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Anonymous wrote:Some of you need to go and read the Special Needs forum. Don’t post, just read. See what the parents are going through. Listen to their anguish as they post about struggles getting help for their kids both in school and through private therapies. See the emotional and monetary cost that they are living through.

Most parents are trying to help their kids and are frustrated with the system and how it is failing their kids. They don’t want their kid melting down in your kids class. They don’t want to be judged. They want the best for their kid. They want your kid to be safe.

It sucks having a kid melting down and throwing things and all of that. It sucks for the Teacher, it sucks for the students, it sucks for that kid. No one wants this. But solving it is hard and the families who are working to find a solution know it is expensive, there are not enough providers, and there are not enough Teachers.

Just read what those parents are living through. Hopefully it will reset the issue in your mind. You will still be upset about your kids experience and angry that your kid is in danger but maybe a bit less likely to use words like monster and ashamed and horrible parents. While there are some parents who are horrible, the vast majority os SN parents are working their butts off trying to help their kids. It isn’t easy for them or for the kid. But they are trying and not these absentee parents you think they are.


This isn’t about the parents. We don’t need more empathy here, frankly we need less. We need schools with rules where kids come prepared to learn and teachers are able to teach. Kids who throw chairs when they’re upset do not belong in a regular classroom, period. They need a contained environment.

The pendulum has swung too far the wrong way. I’m sorry for their troubles, but we cannot sacrifice the many for the sake of the violent few. Teachers and students have a right to feel safe in their classrooms.


In-person school should be a privilege for behaved children. If kids cannot function in a classroom, online school should be the default.


Luckily that’s illegal under several federal and state laws. And that’s probably why you were drummed out of MCPS, if you are who I think you are based on your other posts.

Is there a problem? Sure. It’s due to schools fighting parents of special needs who want proper support in the classroom. As demonstrated by the challenges discussed in this thread, everyone benefits when the necessary support is in the classroom.


Let the voters decide. This is the future.


They did. And they elected leaders that passed the 14th amendment, the ADA, IDEA, and a variety of state laws that protect the rights of students with disabilities.


They are ripe to be updated for new tools available.


New tools available? Besides it not being clear what you mean, it’s irrelevant. The laws and regulations don’t specify the means.

You just don’t like that the laws specify that schools must be inclusive. I’m guessing you’re the former principal that now wants to banish kids with disabilities to their homes, which would obviously impose significant limitations on the services and supports they could receive.


dp. Laws are not set in stone. They change and will change, because while compassion is a core value of our society, it does not trump the basic needs of the many. There is a difference between being inclusive and accommodating vs. being consumed by the needs of the few.


Honestly, I don’t think IDEA is driven by compassion. It’s driven by practicality. Children with disabilities still (usually) have decades of life ahead of them. They’re going to have to learn academic, social, and emotional skills in order to function in society. Ignoring their needs on basis that it is too hard, expensive, or uncomfortable for others will simply create bigger problems down the line.


Nope it's not practical to spend 30% of your budget on 1% of the population, who will ultimately still end up being the lowest contributor to society, while significantly impacting the needs of the 99% who will have to slave away to keep this thing going.

It sounds terrible and yet our government and society makes these types of decisions routinely, because unfortunately resources are limited.


So then what's your plan? It's cheaper to intervene when kids are young. If you take that away, what happens to the disabled adults? Spend more? Or do you approve of eugenics? Euthanasia? Please, do tell us all.


Sometimes full-time therapy is more appropriate than regular, in-person school.


You didn’t say what you’re going to do with the adults. Go back to warehousing them in asylums? Or do you just expect them to live on the street until they die from exposure, malnutrition, untreated infections, or violence?


+1

Their parents need to help these children when they are young, not just wait out 18 years. It is literally their job.


Parents need to get their kids ready for a classroom environment. If the best parents can do is online school, then let the kids succeed there.

Kids need parents and schools cannot fill that gap.


Agree.
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NP---My kid was a chair thrower in elem school. He was my 2nd and Yes I knew something wasn't right by about 2. I went to the dev ped who said wait and see. The regular ped had no advice. It wasn't until the end of PreK 3 that the preschool indicated that this was so far above the norm that they would no longer work with him.

Got my kid into PEP and with a high teacher/student ratio and small classes, he did fine. So well in fact that they closed his IEP going into K. At the general K meeting for incoming students in May, I asked what the plan was.....I was told that during the first few months of K, it is all hands on deck. That does not sound like a solid plan to me. I put my kid in private and the smaller classes worked well until 2nd grade.

In 2nd grade, I moved my kid to public, met with the principal, told him what was going on and that I wanted to start the IEP process. He said we needed to wait. Not surprisingly, I got a call within the first week that we needed to start the IEP process. It took me 6 months to get his IEP back in place and that was with me providing an outside evaluation. Had I wanted to use the school psychologist, the timeline would have been longer. In retrospect, I wish I had sent my kid to public K. The IEP would have happened earlier in his school career.

All this is to say---for parents with NT children, be grateful your kid can regulate. As many others have pointed out, many of us are doing all we can to get both our kids and your kids the appropriate education. We want our kids moved to the right environment. Even when the school is working with us, there are timelines everyone has to follow. It is not good for anyone. But to come on DCUM and tell us that we are crappy parents, that our kids deserve to be beaten, that they should be regulated to virtual learning, that our kids do not deserve the same education that your child receives is wrong and infuriating. I truly hope that no one in your family ever has to manage a child with an invisible disability.
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Anonymous wrote:Some of you need to go and read the Special Needs forum. Don’t post, just read. See what the parents are going through. Listen to their anguish as they post about struggles getting help for their kids both in school and through private therapies. See the emotional and monetary cost that they are living through.

Most parents are trying to help their kids and are frustrated with the system and how it is failing their kids. They don’t want their kid melting down in your kids class. They don’t want to be judged. They want the best for their kid. They want your kid to be safe.

It sucks having a kid melting down and throwing things and all of that. It sucks for the Teacher, it sucks for the students, it sucks for that kid. No one wants this. But solving it is hard and the families who are working to find a solution know it is expensive, there are not enough providers, and there are not enough Teachers.

Just read what those parents are living through. Hopefully it will reset the issue in your mind. You will still be upset about your kids experience and angry that your kid is in danger but maybe a bit less likely to use words like monster and ashamed and horrible parents. While there are some parents who are horrible, the vast majority os SN parents are working their butts off trying to help their kids. It isn’t easy for them or for the kid. But they are trying and not these absentee parents you think they are.


This isn’t about the parents. We don’t need more empathy here, frankly we need less. We need schools with rules where kids come prepared to learn and teachers are able to teach. Kids who throw chairs when they’re upset do not belong in a regular classroom, period. They need a contained environment.

The pendulum has swung too far the wrong way. I’m sorry for their troubles, but we cannot sacrifice the many for the sake of the violent few. Teachers and students have a right to feel safe in their classrooms.


In-person school should be a privilege for behaved children. If kids cannot function in a classroom, online school should be the default.


Luckily that’s illegal under several federal and state laws. And that’s probably why you were drummed out of MCPS, if you are who I think you are based on your other posts.

Is there a problem? Sure. It’s due to schools fighting parents of special needs who want proper support in the classroom. As demonstrated by the challenges discussed in this thread, everyone benefits when the necessary support is in the classroom.


Let the voters decide. This is the future.


They did. And they elected leaders that passed the 14th amendment, the ADA, IDEA, and a variety of state laws that protect the rights of students with disabilities.


They are ripe to be updated for new tools available.


New tools available? Besides it not being clear what you mean, it’s irrelevant. The laws and regulations don’t specify the means.

You just don’t like that the laws specify that schools must be inclusive. I’m guessing you’re the former principal that now wants to banish kids with disabilities to their homes, which would obviously impose significant limitations on the services and supports they could receive.


dp. Laws are not set in stone. They change and will change, because while compassion is a core value of our society, it does not trump the basic needs of the many. There is a difference between being inclusive and accommodating vs. being consumed by the needs of the few.


Honestly, I don’t think IDEA is driven by compassion. It’s driven by practicality. Children with disabilities still (usually) have decades of life ahead of them. They’re going to have to learn academic, social, and emotional skills in order to function in society. Ignoring their needs on basis that it is too hard, expensive, or uncomfortable for others will simply create bigger problems down the line.


Nope it's not practical to spend 30% of your budget on 1% of the population, who will ultimately still end up being the lowest contributor to society, while significantly impacting the needs of the 99% who will have to slave away to keep this thing going.

It sounds terrible and yet our government and society makes these types of decisions routinely, because unfortunately resources are limited.


So then what's your plan? It's cheaper to intervene when kids are young. If you take that away, what happens to the disabled adults? Spend more? Or do you approve of eugenics? Euthanasia? Please, do tell us all.


Sometimes full-time therapy is more appropriate than regular, in-person school.


You didn’t say what you’re going to do with the adults. Go back to warehousing them in asylums? Or do you just expect them to live on the street until they die from exposure, malnutrition, untreated infections, or violence?


Sadly I live in a west coast city where the default has been the latter. It’s bad. We can’t seem to find a solution between asylums and “die from exposure, malnutrition, untreated infections or violence”.


Are people now blaming public schools for the homeless problem?


How is that poster blaming public schools for the homeless problem? Warehousing in asylums sounds good to me. I mean I'm not a callous person but that's more humane than ppl winding up living in the streets. And for some people, there really is no good alternative.
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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have a special needs kid like this

They offered to place him in a Nonverbal autistic class because of his intense behaviors

Or a regular class with no support. My son is at grade level academically. In other to get him the 1:1 support he needs, he needs to fail out of the regular class.

Blame the administration for making this insane system.

And yes, you should press charges if they do something life threatening. The school will be forced to deal with it.


Not sure what district you are in, but FCPS has an emotional disabilities program with self-contained classes for this type of child. It's pretty hard to get into though, and also not necessarily a good place to be. But they have it.


These posts just make it clear the parents of normal kids need to advocate for them. We can be sure the parents of the chair throwers will be advocating for their kids to stay in the class room no matter how bad their behavior is. Like one of the pps said, less empathy is needed here not more.


I’ve never heard of a parent fighting for a LESS restrictive placement. Everyone wants more services, not less. The problem comes in when the schools aren’t forthcoming about the options. Because most parents have no idea what even to ask for or how to go about asking for it in an effective manner. And the schools LOVE to fight about this stuff and will absolutely hire outside counsel to not have to pay to send a kid to an outside placement for kids with behavioral difficulties. It’s extremely daunting to go up against a large school district especially when you’re pretty sure you’re not going to win and the end outcome is going to be you wasted time and $$$ only for them to place your kid right back at the neighborhood school.



That's right. My child was that child when he started Kindergarten. His class had 28 students. He would become overwhelmed and strip naked, dump all the toys off the shelves and climb into them curling into a fetal position. He hit anyone who tried to help him and had the classroom evacuated twice in the span of the first month of school. We were blindsided by this behavior (it was "mild" autism) and frantically started searching for providers. We payed thousands of dollars for private evaluations. We BEGGED the school to place him in a MORE restrictive classroom because he and the other children were suffering. The school said they were legally obligated to have him in the least restrictive environment while data was collected. He cried every night at home that the classroom was too loud. He banged his head in the lunchroom leaving himself bruised. We pleaded for a 1:1 aide while this data was collected (how much data do you need?!?) and first they said there was already a teacher and an aide assigned to the class. We begged more. They said they didn't have the money and since he didn't have an IEP yet they couldn't assign a 1:1 to him. We hired an advocate and spent thousands and thousands of dollars during the IEP process. We signed him up for private speech/OT/PT and when the insurance runs out on those services at the mid-way point of the year, we spend thousands out of pocket on those therapies.

My child is doing well now but as a pp said, it's only because we have the means and education to provide for and advocate for not only our child, but frankly his classmates. The majority of parents are like my husband and I, we care not only about our child but the other children impacted. No one needs to be on "the lookout" for these parents to shame them. Trust and believe most are doing everything they possibly can and already feel horrible. No need to make them cry even more at night because chances are they are holding on by a thread and crying multiple times a week over their frustration/stress.


You lost me at the bolded. More honest for you to acknowledge that you were in denial up to that point and had not started needed intervention. If parents are honest with their pediatrician, issues are identified early and parents guided through appropriate channels and therapies.


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Come ON. Why would you be such a b1tch? That's absurd. How are they supposed to know that their kid is going to react like that if he's never been in that environment before? What's wrong with you?


+1, and this is also anyone who has been a parent to a toddler/preschooler knows there are a lot of behaviors that you worry about but are age appropriate and it's only when they don't grow out of them (at around kindergarten age) that it becomes clear they have an issue. The behavior the PP describes would not be considered a sign of autism in a 2/3 yr old, for instance. A severe tantrum, yes, but toddlers sometimes take their clothes off or push all the toys off a shelf when they are upset. As a parent, you look at that behavior and wonder "is something else going on?" You mention it to the pediatrician and she says "well that's age appropriate, but we'll keep an eye on it." Then your kid is 4 and the behavior gets a bit better, maybe in part because you're getting better at managing it and giving your kid what they need. It feels like progress so you think, ok this was normal toddler behavior and he's growing out of it.

Then your kid goes to kindergarten and it suddenly becomes clear that your child is on a totally different trajectory from other kids and you're getting called about behavior twice a week and you realize it's time to get them evaluated. And sure, you wondered about it when they were 3 but you were reassured it was normal and then it became normal to you because you'd been dealing with it every day, and it's not until your child is in a crowded classroom with 20+ other kids and elementary-level expectations that you understand how your kid is different. It will feel like a blindside even if the behavior isn't totally outside the realm of normal for your kid because while you know what your kid is like, you don't know what ALL kids are like at that age and you can't draw those comparisons until they are right in front of you.


I have young children and also work in the field. I can guarantee you that children with such sensory sensitivities show a clear and sustained pattern well before kindergarten. It is not the random tantrum. Parents know, they are just hoping it will go away.


Parents should know their child has triggers, but the triggers may be different in a new environment. So a parent shouldn’t be entirely blindsided that there’s been *a* problem, but they might be blindsided by the *specific* problem that occurred.


Excuses are not serving your child well.


You’ve clearly never had to deal with a NT child if you think it is possible to consistently and accurately predict how they will respond to new environments.

And to the extent parents can and, that’s also part of the challenge. Parents know techniques to avoid and deescalate. When the school staff ignore the parents recommendations and warnings, or otherwise simply act differently, you're going to get different behaviors from the child.


A NT wouldn't completely snap and destroy a room. They wouldn't be NT then would they? And we can't have teachers jump through a 14 step de-escalation process to avoid one child's triggers at the expense of the other kids. They deserve an education too, not to walk on eggshells lest one child explode in rage.
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Anonymous wrote:NP---My kid was a chair thrower in elem school. He was my 2nd and Yes I knew something wasn't right by about 2. I went to the dev ped who said wait and see. The regular ped had no advice. It wasn't until the end of PreK 3 that the preschool indicated that this was so far above the norm that they would no longer work with him.

Got my kid into PEP and with a high teacher/student ratio and small classes, he did fine. So well in fact that they closed his IEP going into K. At the general K meeting for incoming students in May, I asked what the plan was.....I was told that during the first few months of K, it is all hands on deck. That does not sound like a solid plan to me. I put my kid in private and the smaller classes worked well until 2nd grade.

In 2nd grade, I moved my kid to public, met with the principal, told him what was going on and that I wanted to start the IEP process. He said we needed to wait. Not surprisingly, I got a call within the first week that we needed to start the IEP process. It took me 6 months to get his IEP back in place and that was with me providing an outside evaluation. Had I wanted to use the school psychologist, the timeline would have been longer. In retrospect, I wish I had sent my kid to public K. The IEP would have happened earlier in his school career.

All this is to say---for parents with NT children, be grateful your kid can regulate. As many others have pointed out, many of us are doing all we can to get both our kids and your kids the appropriate education. We want our kids moved to the right environment. Even when the school is working with us, there are timelines everyone has to follow. It is not good for anyone. But to come on DCUM and tell us that we are crappy parents, that our kids deserve to be beaten, that they should be regulated to virtual learning, that our kids do not deserve the same education that your child receives is wrong and infuriating. I truly hope that no one in your family ever has to manage a child with an invisible disability.


I do not think you're a crappy parent at all. You are doing all you can in a very difficult situation. Of course your kid doesn't deserve to be beaten (who said that?) and of course they deserve the same educational opportunities. However, safety should come first in school. How can anyone learn if someone in the classroom is being unsafe (throwing chairs or whatever type of violent, aggressive behavior)? And why is virtual learning not a decent alternative in the case that a violent kid is continually disrupting and terrorizing the class?
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Anonymous wrote:NP---My kid was a chair thrower in elem school. He was my 2nd and Yes I knew something wasn't right by about 2. I went to the dev ped who said wait and see. The regular ped had no advice. It wasn't until the end of PreK 3 that the preschool indicated that this was so far above the norm that they would no longer work with him.

Got my kid into PEP and with a high teacher/student ratio and small classes, he did fine. So well in fact that they closed his IEP going into K. At the general K meeting for incoming students in May, I asked what the plan was.....I was told that during the first few months of K, it is all hands on deck. That does not sound like a solid plan to me. I put my kid in private and the smaller classes worked well until 2nd grade.

In 2nd grade, I moved my kid to public, met with the principal, told him what was going on and that I wanted to start the IEP process. He said we needed to wait. Not surprisingly, I got a call within the first week that we needed to start the IEP process. It took me 6 months to get his IEP back in place and that was with me providing an outside evaluation. Had I wanted to use the school psychologist, the timeline would have been longer. In retrospect, I wish I had sent my kid to public K. The IEP would have happened earlier in his school career.

All this is to say---for parents with NT children, be grateful your kid can regulate. As many others have pointed out, many of us are doing all we can to get both our kids and your kids the appropriate education. We want our kids moved to the right environment. Even when the school is working with us, there are timelines everyone has to follow. It is not good for anyone. But to come on DCUM and tell us that we are crappy parents, that our kids deserve to be beaten, that they should be regulated to virtual learning, that our kids do not deserve the same education that your child receives is wrong and infuriating. I truly hope that no one in your family ever has to manage a child with an invisible disability.


To be fair, the parent of the neurodivergent child is telling others that their child deserves to have a chair thrown in his face again and again until his parents can't handle it and divorce. Do you think other kids deserve to be attacked in school as well? They are children too, deserving of an education in a safe environment, they aren't just tools serving as peer models in the classroom.
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Anonymous wrote:NP---My kid was a chair thrower in elem school. He was my 2nd and Yes I knew something wasn't right by about 2. I went to the dev ped who said wait and see. The regular ped had no advice. It wasn't until the end of PreK 3 that the preschool indicated that this was so far above the norm that they would no longer work with him.

Got my kid into PEP and with a high teacher/student ratio and small classes, he did fine. So well in fact that they closed his IEP going into K. At the general K meeting for incoming students in May, I asked what the plan was.....I was told that during the first few months of K, it is all hands on deck. That does not sound like a solid plan to me. I put my kid in private and the smaller classes worked well until 2nd grade.

In 2nd grade, I moved my kid to public, met with the principal, told him what was going on and that I wanted to start the IEP process. He said we needed to wait. Not surprisingly, I got a call within the first week that we needed to start the IEP process. It took me 6 months to get his IEP back in place and that was with me providing an outside evaluation. Had I wanted to use the school psychologist, the timeline would have been longer. In retrospect, I wish I had sent my kid to public K. The IEP would have happened earlier in his school career.

All this is to say---for parents with NT children, be grateful your kid can regulate. As many others have pointed out, many of us are doing all we can to get both our kids and your kids the appropriate education. We want our kids moved to the right environment. Even when the school is working with us, there are timelines everyone has to follow. It is not good for anyone. But to come on DCUM and tell us that we are crappy parents, that our kids deserve to be beaten, that they should be regulated to virtual learning, that our kids do not deserve the same education that your child receives is wrong and infuriating. I truly hope that no one in your family ever has to manage a child with an invisible disability.


I do not think you're a crappy parent at all. You are doing all you can in a very difficult situation. Of course your kid doesn't deserve to be beaten (who said that?) and of course they deserve the same educational opportunities. However, safety should come first in school. How can anyone learn if someone in the classroom is being unsafe (throwing chairs or whatever type of violent, aggressive behavior)? And why is virtual learning not a decent alternative in the case that a violent kid is continually disrupting and terrorizing the class?


Because in some cases, the parents relish that 8 hour break from their child.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:It boggles my mind that this is not only a thing, but it’s a thing that’s tolerated.


+100 AND other parents are mocking moving their kid to another class or getting a police report if their child is hit with a thrown chair.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NP---My kid was a chair thrower in elem school. He was my 2nd and Yes I knew something wasn't right by about 2. I went to the dev ped who said wait and see. The regular ped had no advice. It wasn't until the end of PreK 3 that the preschool indicated that this was so far above the norm that they would no longer work with him.

Got my kid into PEP and with a high teacher/student ratio and small classes, he did fine. So well in fact that they closed his IEP going into K. At the general K meeting for incoming students in May, I asked what the plan was.....I was told that during the first few months of K, it is all hands on deck. That does not sound like a solid plan to me. I put my kid in private and the smaller classes worked well until 2nd grade.

In 2nd grade, I moved my kid to public, met with the principal, told him what was going on and that I wanted to start the IEP process. He said we needed to wait. Not surprisingly, I got a call within the first week that we needed to start the IEP process. It took me 6 months to get his IEP back in place and that was with me providing an outside evaluation. Had I wanted to use the school psychologist, the timeline would have been longer. In retrospect, I wish I had sent my kid to public K. The IEP would have happened earlier in his school career.

All this is to say---for parents with NT children, be grateful your kid can regulate. As many others have pointed out, many of us are doing all we can to get both our kids and your kids the appropriate education. We want our kids moved to the right environment. Even when the school is working with us, there are timelines everyone has to follow. It is not good for anyone. But to come on DCUM and tell us that we are crappy parents, that our kids deserve to be beaten, that they should be regulated to virtual learning, that our kids do not deserve the same education that your child receives is wrong and infuriating. I truly hope that no one in your family ever has to manage a child with an invisible disability.


I do not think you're a crappy parent at all. You are doing all you can in a very difficult situation. Of course your kid doesn't deserve to be beaten (who said that?) and of course they deserve the same educational opportunities. However, safety should come first in school. How can anyone learn if someone in the classroom is being unsafe (throwing chairs or whatever type of violent, aggressive behavior)? And why is virtual learning not a decent alternative in the case that a violent kid is continually disrupting and terrorizing the class?


Because in some cases, the parents relish that 8 hour break from their child.


No, because in many cases, it requires 2 parents to work in order to keep a roof over the family and put food on the table.
Anonymous
I don't understand why perpetrators have more rights than the victims. I do think virtual schooling is a good alternative. After all, like teachers so often like to remind us, school is not daycare.

I think if parents had to deal with their own children, they would help get them more therapies, more medication (the parents of the chair thrower I know refused medication) and more consistent discipline. Most of these kids have nothing wrong with them other than ADHD.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NP---My kid was a chair thrower in elem school. He was my 2nd and Yes I knew something wasn't right by about 2. I went to the dev ped who said wait and see. The regular ped had no advice. It wasn't until the end of PreK 3 that the preschool indicated that this was so far above the norm that they would no longer work with him.

Got my kid into PEP and with a high teacher/student ratio and small classes, he did fine. So well in fact that they closed his IEP going into K. At the general K meeting for incoming students in May, I asked what the plan was.....I was told that during the first few months of K, it is all hands on deck. That does not sound like a solid plan to me. I put my kid in private and the smaller classes worked well until 2nd grade.

In 2nd grade, I moved my kid to public, met with the principal, told him what was going on and that I wanted to start the IEP process. He said we needed to wait. Not surprisingly, I got a call within the first week that we needed to start the IEP process. It took me 6 months to get his IEP back in place and that was with me providing an outside evaluation. Had I wanted to use the school psychologist, the timeline would have been longer. In retrospect, I wish I had sent my kid to public K. The IEP would have happened earlier in his school career.

All this is to say---for parents with NT children, be grateful your kid can regulate. As many others have pointed out, many of us are doing all we can to get both our kids and your kids the appropriate education. We want our kids moved to the right environment. Even when the school is working with us, there are timelines everyone has to follow. It is not good for anyone. But to come on DCUM and tell us that we are crappy parents, that our kids deserve to be beaten, that they should be regulated to virtual learning, that our kids do not deserve the same education that your child receives is wrong and infuriating. I truly hope that no one in your family ever has to manage a child with an invisible disability.


I do not think you're a crappy parent at all. You are doing all you can in a very difficult situation. Of course your kid doesn't deserve to be beaten (who said that?) and of course they deserve the same educational opportunities. However, safety should come first in school. How can anyone learn if someone in the classroom is being unsafe (throwing chairs or whatever type of violent, aggressive behavior)? And why is virtual learning not a decent alternative in the case that a violent kid is continually disrupting and terrorizing the class?


Because in some cases, the parents relish that 8 hour break from their child.


No, because in many cases, it requires 2 parents to work in order to keep a roof over the family and put food on the table.


As do most, but how does that absolve one of parenting responsibilities? You want others to feel your pain.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:My cousin teaches 4th grade and she has a desk thrower in her class and the administration refuses to do anything. The kid started out in K as a chair thrower and became a desk thrower as he got bigger and stronger.


i would take this kid to the principal's office every single time and make them deal with the kid. Teachers do not get paid enough to handle this behavior much less be the victim of violence every day. Hell no.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I am the PP whose DD’s friend was also the chair thrower. I’ve wondered this a long time: I was in a big public elementary school in the 80s and early 90s. Where were these kids then? I remember a special education classroom that was kids with severe developmental delays, and I remember some kids who were on the social fringes and in gen ed who would probably be classified as HFA now, but I don’t remember any escalating or violent classroom episodes. Would they have been separated into a different track at Kindergarten intake or did they not exist?


I wonder this too. I think there are just far too many kids now with disruptive and violent behaviour for schools to accommodate them in special classes or schools. Now way can all these kids have medical disabilities and diagnoses. The vast majority of these kids are this way because of poor parenting. Between the rise of screens raising kids and parents becoming less involved, this is what you get. I see trauma brought up here too. Our school places a lot of refugee kids into classes. They have experienced and seen the unthinkable. None of these kids are acting as described here.
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