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Anonymous wrote:New thought that I haven't seen yet in this thread:

I work in a school and have for almost 3 decades. It has been my experience that many trans kids I've known have the support of their families. In those cases, these model policies matter little.

Rather it's the cases where the student does NOT have the support of their family. Consider this: trans acceptance is a highly politicized issue right now (whether that it par for the course or abjectly ridiculous is not the point of this post). Through that lens, knowing how cruel kids can be and how much negative community chatter is out there, what kid on earth would think that SCHOOL is the best place to come out? And yet, with an unaccepting family, that's exactly where they'll do it. For kids with unaccepting families, it's not a secret that their family is not accepting, and there can be dire consequences for those kids--abuse, becoming unhoused, suicide. That's the reason for the pushback.

Part of the human development experience is to find our identity. Identity is comprised of a lot of things. Gender & sexuality have always been on a continuum--not binary nor static. For those supporting these policies, the claim is that the school system is "indoctrinating" kids, keeping families purposely out of the loop. What if instead it's supporting a student finding their identity, living their truth? Simply seeing a person for who they are: a human being, whatever identity that takes?

The question I have for the anti-trans crowd: what about a trans person is so scary? How does Human 475485 being trans affect your life in any way?

I'm not anti trans, I am just skeptical because it's getting a lot of attention lately. First, I don't want a boy using the same bathroom or changing facilities as my daughter. Next I don't want a boy in girls sports, beating all the girls. Whatever they want to do on their own time is not my problem, when it starts affecting my kid negatively that is when it becomes my problem.

If your daughter is so uncomfortable, using a shared restroom or locker room, one of your request that she had back to a private one?

Huh?? So all the girls should request private stalls to avoid seeing some kid with a penis? Because the penis kid should be the one that matters the most and not all of the girls. I'm pretty sure 99% of parents do not want their girls to see a penis at school. Girls should not have to be forced to see penises. It's just that simple.

Does your kid pee with the door to the stall open?

I have been in many a bathroom in my life and never have I seen another woman’s vulva.

If you have kids in the bathroom keeping the stall doors open, your superintendent should be made aware.

You do realize that this rule applies to locker rooms, as well? And, some bathrooms have missing doors. There was a thread about that a while ago.

[Anonymous]

I definitely support trans students rights and think they should be allowed to use the locker room and bathroom that they feel most comfortable in. However, I do have some reservations about sports. For instance, I have a neighbor whose daughter is trans (bio boy). She consistently wins the girls running challenges that our elementary school has and is way more athletic than the other girls on her girls soccer team. So even before puberty, you can see a difference. I imagine it will only get more pronounced, though she is going to do puberty blockers, so maybe not. Either way, I believe strongly in title IX and providing SEPARATE but equal opportunities for girls in sports. So although I want to create a space for trans girls to fit in and connect with other girls through sports, I do think there are some issues that need to be discussed. Like maybe trans girls can be part of high school teams and rec teams but not be eligible for college scholarships in a sport or be able to participate in pro womens' sports? But it does get tricky if they've take hormone suppressants. I don't know - I think there is room for discussion here and I could be swayed in either direction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I definitely support trans students rights and think they should be allowed to use the locker room and bathroom that they feel most comfortable in. However, I do have some reservations about sports. For instance, I have a neighbor whose daughter is trans (bio boy). She consistently wins the girls running challenges that our elementary school has and is way more athletic than the other girls on her girls soccer team. So even before puberty, you can see a difference. I imagine it will only get more pronounced, though she is going to do puberty blockers, so maybe not. Either way, I believe strongly in title IX and providing SEPARATE but equal opportunities for girls in sports. So although I want to create a space for trans girls to fit in and connect with other girls through sports, I do think there are some issues that need to be discussed. Like maybe trans girls can be part of high school teams and rec teams but not be eligible for college scholarships in a sport or be able to participate in pro womens' sports? But it does get tricky if they've take hormone suppressants. I don't know - I think there is room for discussion here and I could be swayed in either direction.

Hormones are not the only issue.

Male bodies have bigger lung capacity, more efficient circulatory systems, different skeletal proportions, bigger wing spans, a different center of gravity, faster muscle synapses, bigger tracheas resulting in more efficient breathing during exercise, and entirely different pelvic structure, denser bones... the list goes on.

Demeaning womenhood to testosterone levels to appease men is insulting and just wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I definitely support trans students rights and think they should be allowed to use the locker room and bathroom that they feel most comfortable in. However, I do have some reservations about sports. For instance, I have a neighbor whose daughter is trans (bio boy). She consistently wins the girls running challenges that our elementary school has and is way more athletic than the other girls on her girls soccer team. So even before puberty, you can see a difference. I imagine it will only get more pronounced, though she is going to do puberty blockers, so maybe not. Either way, I believe strongly in title IX and providing SEPARATE but equal opportunities for girls in sports. So although I want to create a space for trans girls to fit in and connect with other girls through sports, I do think there are some issues that need to be discussed. Like maybe trans girls can be part of high school teams and rec teams but not be eligible for college scholarships in a sport or be able to participate in pro womens' sports? But it does get tricky if they've take hormone suppressants. I don't know - I think there is room for discussion here and I could be swayed in either direction.

Males are females are different.
https://www.sportbible.com/australia/news-trans-swimmer-arrogantly-bragged-about-how-easy-her-race-was-20211214#:~:text=Transgender%20swimmer%20Lia%20Thomas%20reportedly,at%20the%20University%20of%20Pennsylvania.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous[b wrote:]I definitely support trans students rights and think they should be allowed to use the locker room and bathroom that they feel most comfortable in[/b]. However, I do have some reservations about sports. For instance, I have a neighbor whose daughter is trans (bio boy). She consistently wins the girls running challenges that our elementary school has and is way more athletic than the other girls on her girls soccer team. So even before puberty, you can see a difference. I imagine it will only get more pronounced, though she is going to do puberty blockers, so maybe not. Either way, I believe strongly in title IX and providing SEPARATE but equal opportunities for girls in sports. So although I want to create a space for trans girls to fit in and connect with other girls through sports, I do think there are some issues that need to be discussed. Like maybe trans girls can be part of high school teams and rec teams but not be eligible for college scholarships in a sport or be able to participate in pro womens' sports? But it does get tricky if they've take hormone suppressants. I don't know - I think there is room for discussion here and I could be swayed in either direction.

Not at the expense of the vast majority. No.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New thought that I haven't seen yet in this thread:

I work in a school and have for almost 3 decades. It has been my experience that many trans kids I've known have the support of their families. In those cases, these model policies matter little.

Rather it's the cases where the student does NOT have the support of their family. Consider this: trans acceptance is a highly politicized issue right now (whether that it par for the course or abjectly ridiculous is not the point of this post). Through that lens, knowing how cruel kids can be and how much negative community chatter is out there, what kid on earth would think that SCHOOL is the best place to come out? And yet, with an unaccepting family, that's exactly where they'll do it. For kids with unaccepting families, it's not a secret that their family is not accepting, and there can be dire consequences for those kids--abuse, becoming unhoused, suicide. That's the reason for the pushback.

Part of the human development experience is to find our identity. Identity is comprised of a lot of things. Gender & sexuality have always been on a continuum--not binary nor static. For those supporting these policies, the claim is that the school system is "indoctrinating" kids, keeping families purposely out of the loop. What if instead it's supporting a student finding their identity, living their truth? Simply seeing a person for who they are: a human being, whatever identity that takes?

The question I have for the anti-trans crowd: what about a trans person is so scary? How does Human 475485 being trans affect your life in any way?

I'm not anti trans, I am just skeptical because it's getting a lot of attention lately. First, I don't want a boy using the same bathroom or changing facilities as my daughter. Next I don't want a boy in girls sports, beating all the girls. Whatever they want to do on their own time is not my problem, when it starts affecting my kid negatively that is when it becomes my problem.

If your daughter is so uncomfortable, using a shared restroom or locker room, one of your request that she had back to a private one?

Huh?? So all the girls should request private stalls to avoid seeing some kid with a penis? Because the penis kid should be the one that matters the most and not all of the girls. I'm pretty sure 99% of parents do not want their girls to see a penis at school. Girls should not have to be forced to see penises. It's just that simple.

Does your kid pee with the door to the stall open?

I have been in many a bathroom in my life and never have I seen another woman’s vulva.

If you have kids in the bathroom keeping the stall doors open, your superintendent should be made aware.

If that were that elementally simple, then why is it that transgender students don’t just use the bathroom that corresponds with their biological sex and close the door? According to your position, it’s not as if the other kids whose bodies have the opposite sex genitalia are going to be keeping the stall doors open, or the demand that transgender student do.

Like you, I am yet to see another woman’s genitals while using the bathroom. And, I want to keep it that way! Unfortunately, is no longer the case when it comes to locker rooms. Women who feel violated by this, not to mention young girls, are now being forced to see male genitalia in locker rooms.

The boss of all Superintendents in Virginia has already been made aware of this situation and his administration has released the new “2023 Model Policies”. Take a look:

https://www.doe.virginia.gov/home/showdocument?id=46509&t=638252835940748322

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous[b wrote:]I definitely support trans students rights and think they should be allowed to use the locker room and bathroom that they feel most comfortable in[/b]. However, I do have some reservations about sports. For instance, I have a neighbor whose daughter is trans (bio boy). She consistently wins the girls running challenges that our elementary school has and is way more athletic than the other girls on her girls soccer team. So even before puberty, you can see a difference. I imagine it will only get more pronounced, though she is going to do puberty blockers, so maybe not. Either way, I believe strongly in title IX and providing SEPARATE but equal opportunities for girls in sports. So although I want to create a space for trans girls to fit in and connect with other girls through sports, I do think there are some issues that need to be discussed. Like maybe trans girls can be part of high school teams and rec teams but not be eligible for college scholarships in a sport or be able to participate in pro womens' sports? But it does get tricky if they've take hormone suppressants. I don't know - I think there is room for discussion here and I could be swayed in either direction.

Not at the expense of the vast majority. No.

And, ignore the comfort of others?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous[b wrote:]I definitely support trans students rights and think they should be allowed to use the locker room and bathroom that they feel most comfortable in[/b]. However, I do have some reservations about sports. For instance, I have a neighbor whose daughter is trans (bio boy). She consistently wins the girls running challenges that our elementary school has and is way more athletic than the other girls on her girls soccer team. So even before puberty, you can see a difference. I imagine it will only get more pronounced, though she is going to do puberty blockers, so maybe not. Either way, I believe strongly in title IX and providing SEPARATE but equal opportunities for girls in sports. So although I want to create a space for trans girls to fit in and connect with other girls through sports, I do think there are some issues that need to be discussed. Like maybe trans girls can be part of high school teams and rec teams but not be eligible for college scholarships in a sport or be able to participate in pro womens' sports? But it does get tricky if they've take hormone suppressants. I don't know - I think there is room for discussion here and I could be swayed in either direction.

Not at the expense of the vast majority. No.

And, ignore the comfort of others?

Boys belong in boys bathroom. Girls belong in girls bathroom. Have a third gender neutral bathroom for whoever wants to use that instead. Same with locker rooms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New thought that I haven't seen yet in this thread:

I work in a school and have for almost 3 decades. It has been my experience that many trans kids I've known have the support of their families. In those cases, these model policies matter little.

Rather it's the cases where the student does NOT have the support of their family. Consider this: trans acceptance is a highly politicized issue right now (whether that it par for the course or abjectly ridiculous is not the point of this post). Through that lens, knowing how cruel kids can be and how much negative community chatter is out there, what kid on earth would think that SCHOOL is the best place to come out? And yet, with an unaccepting family, that's exactly where they'll do it. For kids with unaccepting families, it's not a secret that their family is not accepting, and there can be dire consequences for those kids--abuse, becoming unhoused, suicide. That's the reason for the pushback.

Part of the human development experience is to find our identity. Identity is comprised of a lot of things. Gender & sexuality have always been on a continuum--not binary nor static. For those supporting these policies, the claim is that the school system is "indoctrinating" kids, keeping families purposely out of the loop. What if instead it's supporting a student finding their identity, living their truth? Simply seeing a person for who they are: a human being, whatever identity that takes?

The question I have for the anti-trans crowd: what about a trans person is so scary? How does Human 475485 being trans affect your life in any way?

I'm not anti trans, I am just skeptical because it's getting a lot of attention lately. First, I don't want a boy using the same bathroom or changing facilities as my daughter. Next I don't want a boy in girls sports, beating all the girls. Whatever they want to do on their own time is not my problem, when it starts affecting my kid negatively that is when it becomes my problem.

If your daughter is so uncomfortable, using a shared restroom or locker room, one of your request that she had back to a private one?

Huh?? So all the girls should request private stalls to avoid seeing some kid with a penis? Because the penis kid should be the one that matters the most and not all of the girls. I'm pretty sure 99% of parents do not want their girls to see a penis at school. Girls should not have to be forced to see penises. It's just that simple.

Does your kid pee with the door to the stall open?

I have been in many a bathroom in my life and never have I seen another woman’s vulva.

If you have kids in the bathroom keeping the stall doors open, your superintendent should be made aware.

If that were that elementally simple, then why is it that transgender students don’t just use the bathroom that corresponds with their biological sex and close the door? According to your position, it’s not as if the other kids whose bodies have the opposite sex genitalia are going to be keeping the stall doors open, or the demand that transgender student do.

Like you, I am yet to see another woman’s genitals while using the bathroom. And, I want to keep it that way! Unfortunately, is no longer the case when it comes to locker rooms. Women who feel violated by this, not to mention young girls, are now being forced to see male genitalia in locker rooms.

The boss of all Superintendents in Virginia has already been made aware of this situation and his administration has released the new “2023 Model Policies”. Take a look:

https://www.doe.virginia.gov/home/showdocument?id=46509&t=638252835940748322

This just makes too much sense. The trans lobbies just want to make girls uncomfortable and not be able to have their own private spaces and sports. These are weak men that are mad that women are finally becoming equals and in positions of power. They are mad and now are trying to usurp womanhood and take it over and make like they are some kind of disadvantaged minority so they can have special privileges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous[b wrote:]I definitely support trans students rights and think they should be allowed to use the locker room and bathroom that they feel most comfortable in[/b]. However, I do have some reservations about sports. For instance, I have a neighbor whose daughter is trans (bio boy). She consistently wins the girls running challenges that our elementary school has and is way more athletic than the other girls on her girls soccer team. So even before puberty, you can see a difference. I imagine it will only get more pronounced, though she is going to do puberty blockers, so maybe not. Either way, I believe strongly in title IX and providing SEPARATE but equal opportunities for girls in sports. So although I want to create a space for trans girls to fit in and connect with other girls through sports, I do think there are some issues that need to be discussed. Like maybe trans girls can be part of high school teams and rec teams but not be eligible for college scholarships in a sport or be able to participate in pro womens' sports? But it does get tricky if they've take hormone suppressants. I don't know - I think there is room for discussion here and I could be swayed in either direction.

Not at the expense of the vast majority. No.

And, ignore the comfort of others?

What about the safety, privacy and comfort of straight girls and boys?

[Anonymous]

A trans boy is not a girl and has no place in the girls locker room.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A trans boy is not a girl and has no place in the girls locker room.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A trans boy is not a girl and has no place in the girls locker room.

Do you know any transgender girls (bio boys)? Because I do, and while I might have felt like you had I not known her, knowing this girl (bio boy), the place she would not belong is in the boys locker room. She completely presents herself as a girl to the point that only a very few of her friends know she was born a boy. Why in the world would she have to start using the boys locker room? The boys at her school would be more uncomfortable with her in their locker room than the girls would be having her in theirs, I'm quite sure. Sometimes it takes actually knowing someone before you start judging.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A trans boy is not a girl and has no place in the girls locker room.

Do you know any transgender girls (bio boys)? Because I do, and while I might have felt like you had I not known her, knowing this girl (bio boy), the place she would not belong is in the boys locker room. She completely presents herself as a girl to the point that only a very few of her friends know she was born a boy. Why in the world would she have to start using the boys locker room? The boys at her school would be more uncomfortable with her in their locker room than the girls would be having her in theirs, I'm quite sure. Sometimes it takes actually knowing someone before you start judging.

Poor kid. Sucks for them and this is probably why there should be a third option.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A trans boy is not a girl and has no place in the girls locker room.

Do you know any transgender girls (bio boys)? Because I do, and while I might have felt like you had I not known her, knowing this girl (bio boy), the place she would not belong is in the boys locker room. She completely presents herself as a girl to the point that only a very few of her friends know she was born a boy. Why in the world would she have to start using the boys locker room? The boys at her school would be more uncomfortable with her in their locker room than the girls would be having her in theirs, I'm quite sure. Sometimes it takes actually knowing someone before you start judging.

This might be the only reasonable and wonderful post on this terrible thread. +a million.