Do conservatives want to ban transgenderism for the same reasons they want to ban abortion?

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Anonymous wrote:Please. Surgeries are children are just not that common. Give me a break. Sure you can point to individual cases but this not wide spread and not done without parental consent. It just doesn’t happen and is a massive red herring.

Puberty blockers are certainly more common and I agree with PP, let’s study it in a way where we get good data and try to make the best decisions based on real knowledge and not fear. But we won’t. We’ll just ban everything and not seek actual knowledge.

Look, I personally dislike religious whackos. I don’t care what religion. I think they’re all incredibly dangerous, especially for children. Does that mean we should ban religion? Of course not. Instead - hear me out here, stay with me- parents should make these decisions for their children and I stay out of those decisions that aren’t my children. I just don’t get who the hell any of you think you are to think you have any say in other peoples children. Especially since kids are getting blown to bits on a daily basis and your party has nothing but thoughts and prayers. Yeah that’s effective. Praying… yeah right.

So surgery is happening? I thought it wasn’t happening on minors. Which is it? I’m confused.

Happens to baby boys all the time.

This thread is discussing so-called gender affirmation and surgical procedures on minors. You are saying it happens all of the time. I thought it didn’t happen at all?

Cons are all up in arms because supposedly children are being maimed through surgery to their genitals and they want to ban that. Baby boys get maimed all the time in this country with surgery to their genitalia. Do you disagree with that?

These baby boys who are circumcised are not permanently sterilized, nor given non-functioning “organs” that will require medical intervention for the rest of their lives, nor turned into enuchs with zero capacity for sexual function as adults.

But you knew that, right? So stop with the ridiculous comparison

There you go again with the obsession with fertility.

NP. Fertility is more important than any transvestite’s desire.

Not someone else’s fertility you creep.

Abortion & trans issue go hand in hand.

Of course they go hand in hand. These people are obsessed with fertility (as shown). Once someone has had bottom surgery, they're sterilized. If you're sterilized, you cannot produce offspring. Think of all the babies that will never be produced by transsexuals! They ban abortion and want to ensure fertility. It's really disgusting how they believe they should be able to decide what others do with their own bodies. Both abortion and transgender medication and surgeries are bodily autonomy issues that the religious right think they should have control over.

No one is suggesting banning surgery and hormones for adults. The issue people have a problem with is minors undergoing gender transition. How can a child possibly consent to something that could lead to infertility and/or the ability to experience sexual pleasure? It's the same reason why there are laws in place to ban minors from purchasing alcohol and cigarettes and getting tattoos.

Just give them time. You think we believe you extremists after what you've done with abortion rights? Not a fat chance in hell. I happen to know some RW evangelicals who absolutely want to ban surgery and hormones for adults. Also dress codes.

Haha, no doubt. "We just think kids should notify parents before they have abortions" became "no abortions even in the case of rape, dire health needs, or incest" pretty damn quick.

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I think conservatives just really, really like talking about kids' genitals. Which -- given their selection of a pedophile to be a long-time Speaker of the House and their religious supporters' endemic problem with sex abuse by priests, ministers, and youth pastors -- makes a lot of sense.

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Anonymous wrote:I think conservatives just really, really like talking about kids' genitals. Which -- given their selection of a pedophile to be a long-time Speaker of the House and their religious supporters' endemic problem with sex abuse by priests, ministers, and youth pastors -- makes a lot of sense.

This from the crowd that thinks it's really, really important to have drag queens reading to kids and performing in front of kids.

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Anonymous wrote:From the Holocaust Museum in Berlin earlier today. Homophobia, anti-trans, and anti-abortion are all linked:



Republicans are gleefully skipping down a well-trod path.

So the only way to not be a Nazi is to be in favor of performing sex changing surgeries on minors?

I thought you supported “parents rights”? Maybe just let parents figure out what is best for their kids. None of your business

Parents don't have unlimited rights. Conservatives are actually pretty consistent on this. You can't kill a 5 month old fetus, you can't have your teenage daughter's breasts removed, etc. But, you are dodging here. You allege that in order to not be a Nazi, you have to be in favor of minors having surgeries to remove their genitals. That's a weird definition of Nazi. Nazis were famously all about grim experimental surgeries.

Do you have any verified statistics on how many of these surgeries are taking place on children? Because as you read the recommendations by the American Academy of Pediatrics on gender affirming care that’s not a course of treatment that is normally recommended at that age.

I don't think there are any reliable statistics because it's unregulated and experimental. It's not even a medical specialty-- any surgeon can declare themselves a transgender surgery specialist-- there's no professional organization or licensing requirements.

In any case, you're responding to my statement that being concerned about minors getting transgender surgeries isn't really at all like being a Nazi, and your response is non-sequitur.

In other words, you are admitting that there is no factual basis for your claims (=they are total BS) other than what you saw on Fox, Tucker or other RW propaganda outlet

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Anonymous wrote:From the Holocaust Museum in Berlin earlier today. Homophobia, anti-trans, and anti-abortion are all linked:



Republicans are gleefully skipping down a well-trod path.

So the only way to not be a Nazi is to be in favor of performing sex changing surgeries on minors?

I thought you supported “parents rights”? Maybe just let parents figure out what is best for their kids. None of your business

Parents don't have unlimited rights. Conservatives are actually pretty consistent on this. You can't kill a 5 month old fetus, you can't have your teenage daughter's breasts removed, etc. But, you are dodging here. You allege that in order to not be a Nazi, you have to be in favor of minors having surgeries to remove their genitals. That's a weird definition of Nazi. Nazis were famously all about grim experimental surgeries.

Do you have any verified statistics on how many of these surgeries are taking place on children? Because as you read the recommendations by the American Academy of Pediatrics on gender affirming care that’s not a course of treatment that is normally recommended at that age.

Also, given what you laid out here, are you saying the American Association of Pediatrics is a Nazi organization? I'm confused about your point.

What? No. I'm saying that the AAP has a standard of gender-affirming care and performing surgery on minors isn't part of that except in very specific cases. Gender-affirming care is performed by physicians. Physicians who take oaths and are overseen by governing bodies and state licensing boards. I'm in favor of leaving these decisions up to the parents and those physicians, and not politicians.

Why are the standards for care for gender dysphoria so different in the US vs Europe?

European countries have changed course because they found gender affirming care for minors is not backed by science and the existing studies are of poor quality. These kids are essentially being experimented on because the research and longterm studies simply do not exist. Physicians in the US who have raised concerns are silenced and ignored. Medical malpractice lawsuits down the road will probably be the thing that will cause the US to adopt similar policies as other European countries.

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Anonymous wrote:From the Holocaust Museum in Berlin earlier today. Homophobia, anti-trans, and anti-abortion are all linked:



Republicans are gleefully skipping down a well-trod path.

So the only way to not be a Nazi is to be in favor of performing sex changing surgeries on minors?

I thought you supported “parents rights”? Maybe just let parents figure out what is best for their kids. None of your business

Parents don't have unlimited rights. Conservatives are actually pretty consistent on this. You can't kill a 5 month old fetus, you can't have your teenage daughter's breasts removed, etc. But, you are dodging here. You allege that in order to not be a Nazi, you have to be in favor of minors having surgeries to remove their genitals. That's a weird definition of Nazi. Nazis were famously all about grim experimental surgeries.

Do you have any verified statistics on how many of these surgeries are taking place on children? Because as you read the recommendations by the American Academy of Pediatrics on gender affirming care that’s not a course of treatment that is normally recommended at that age.

I don't think there are any reliable statistics because it's unregulated and experimental. It's not even a medical specialty-- any surgeon can declare themselves a transgender surgery specialist-- there's no professional organization or licensing requirements.

In any case, you're responding to my statement that being concerned about minors getting transgender surgeries isn't really at all like being a Nazi, and your response is non-sequitur.

What are your medical qualifications and experience in witnessing such surgeries?

I think you're obliquely implying that in order to oppose transgender surgeries on minors, you must be a surgeon with at least adjacent experience operating on transgender youth. Is that what you're trying to say? If so, I reject that on its face. The flip side would also have to be true, that you cannot be an advocate of these surgeries either, so you also would be unqualified to have an opinion.

That's right, I am not advocating anyone get surgeries because I am not a medical professional. And even if I were, just as psychologists have a professional agreement not to diagnose people who are not their patients, I have nothing to say about patients whom I've never met. I leave it up to them and their doctors. That I can advocate for - patient privacy and the ability of a patient and their doctor to make the best decisions, not me as an outsider. You apparently feel you have the right to intervene in other people's lives, even though you are apparently admitting you don't even have any medical qualifications to have an opinion worthy of being heard.

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Anonymous wrote:I think conservatives just really, really like talking about kids' genitals. Which -- given their selection of a pedophile to be a long-time Speaker of the House and their religious supporters' endemic problem with sex abuse by priests, ministers, and youth pastors -- makes a lot of sense.

This from the crowd that thinks it's really, really important to have drag queens reading to kids and performing in front of kids.

What do drag queens reading children's stories to kids have to do with genitals? Do you really find this sexual? I mean whatever floats your boat an all but...

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Anonymous wrote:From the Holocaust Museum in Berlin earlier today. Homophobia, anti-trans, and anti-abortion are all linked:



Republicans are gleefully skipping down a well-trod path.

So the only way to not be a Nazi is to be in favor of performing sex changing surgeries on minors?

I thought you supported “parents rights”? Maybe just let parents figure out what is best for their kids. None of your business

Parents don't have unlimited rights. Conservatives are actually pretty consistent on this. You can't kill a 5 month old fetus, you can't have your teenage daughter's breasts removed, etc. But, you are dodging here. You allege that in order to not be a Nazi, you have to be in favor of minors having surgeries to remove their genitals. That's a weird definition of Nazi. Nazis were famously all about grim experimental surgeries.

Do you have any verified statistics on how many of these surgeries are taking place on children? Because as you read the recommendations by the American Academy of Pediatrics on gender affirming care that’s not a course of treatment that is normally recommended at that age.

I don't think there are any reliable statistics because it's unregulated and experimental. It's not even a medical specialty-- any surgeon can declare themselves a transgender surgery specialist-- there's no professional organization or licensing requirements.

In any case, you're responding to my statement that being concerned about minors getting transgender surgeries isn't really at all like being a Nazi, and your response is non-sequitur.

What are your medical qualifications and experience in witnessing such surgeries?

I think you're obliquely implying that in order to oppose transgender surgeries on minors, you must be a surgeon with at least adjacent experience operating on transgender youth. Is that what you're trying to say? If so, I reject that on its face. The flip side would also have to be true, that you cannot be an advocate of these surgeries either, so you also would be unqualified to have an opinion.

That's right, I am not advocating anyone get surgeries because I am not a medical professional. And even if I were, just as psychologists have a professional agreement not to diagnose people who are not their patients, I have nothing to say about patients whom I've never met. I leave it up to them and their doctors. That I can advocate for - patient privacy and the ability of a patient and their doctor to make the best decisions, not me as an outsider. You apparently feel you have the right to intervene in other people's lives, even though you are apparently admitting you don't even have any medical qualifications to have an opinion worthy of being heard.

You don't need to be a doctor to take issue with removing body parts from depressed adolescents. By your logic, we should just end democracy because it is too complicated for anyone but constitutional scholars.

As an aside, the left cannot make these claims after covid. Quite obviously, the mainstream view is that healthcare decisions can be of broad public concern.

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Anonymous wrote:From the Holocaust Museum in Berlin earlier today. Homophobia, anti-trans, and anti-abortion are all linked:



Republicans are gleefully skipping down a well-trod path.

So the only way to not be a Nazi is to be in favor of performing sex changing surgeries on minors?

I thought you supported “parents rights”? Maybe just let parents figure out what is best for their kids. None of your business

Parents don't have unlimited rights. Conservatives are actually pretty consistent on this. You can't kill a 5 month old fetus, you can't have your teenage daughter's breasts removed, etc. But, you are dodging here. You allege that in order to not be a Nazi, you have to be in favor of minors having surgeries to remove their genitals. That's a weird definition of Nazi. Nazis were famously all about grim experimental surgeries.

Do you have any verified statistics on how many of these surgeries are taking place on children? Because as you read the recommendations by the American Academy of Pediatrics on gender affirming care that’s not a course of treatment that is normally recommended at that age.

I don't think there are any reliable statistics because it's unregulated and experimental. It's not even a medical specialty-- any surgeon can declare themselves a transgender surgery specialist-- there's no professional organization or licensing requirements.

In any case, you're responding to my statement that being concerned about minors getting transgender surgeries isn't really at all like being a Nazi, and your response is non-sequitur.

What are your medical qualifications and experience in witnessing such surgeries?

I think you're obliquely implying that in order to oppose transgender surgeries on minors, you must be a surgeon with at least adjacent experience operating on transgender youth. Is that what you're trying to say? If so, I reject that on its face. The flip side would also have to be true, that you cannot be an advocate of these surgeries either, so you also would be unqualified to have an opinion.

That's right, I am not advocating anyone get surgeries because I am not a medical professional. And even if I were, just as psychologists have a professional agreement not to diagnose people who are not their patients, I have nothing to say about patients whom I've never met. I leave it up to them and their doctors. That I can advocate for - patient privacy and the ability of a patient and their doctor to make the best decisions, not me as an outsider. You apparently feel you have the right to intervene in other people's lives, even though you are apparently admitting you don't even have any medical qualifications to have an opinion worthy of being heard.

You don't need to be a doctor to take issue with removing body parts from depressed adolescents. By your logic, we should just end democracy because it is too complicated for anyone but constitutional scholars.

As an aside, the left cannot make these claims after covid. Quite obviously, the mainstream view is that healthcare decisions can be of broad public concern.

Is transgenderism airborne? You really think people are that stupid that we can't differentiate between a public health emergency that killed more than 1,000,000,000 Americans and a private medical decision?

Look, if you want to be taken more seriously and prove your concern about minors and surgery, then you would also add cosmetic surgery and circumcision to your bans. But you don't. Just like you won't advocate to ban child beauty pageants that sexualize children far more than Dame Edna reading children's books to kids. Because this is juts a political point for you, and you don't really care. You people are not fooling anyone that you care truly and deeply about children and their well being. You don't care about slaughtered first graders enough to advocate for regulating the types of guns that make it easy to slaughter scores of them in a hot nanosecond. Why would we think you care about teenagers deep in mental distress over their bodies and gender?

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Anonymous wrote:I think conservatives just really, really like talking about kids' genitals. Which -- given their selection of a pedophile to be a long-time Speaker of the House and their religious supporters' endemic problem with sex abuse by priests, ministers, and youth pastors -- makes a lot of sense.

This from the crowd that thinks it's really, really important to have drag queens reading to kids and performing in front of kids.

What do drag queens reading children's stories to kids have to do with genitals? Do you really find this sexual? I mean whatever floats your boat an all but...

You know why you want those shows to happen, groomer.

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I wish people would stop trying to ascribe motivations, especially malevolent ones, to people they disagree with.

Conservatives are not a uniform block, and are motivated by multiple factors. I think there are some who espouse conservative (or liberal) positions for personal power, wealth, notoriety, etc., regardless of how they may actually feel. I think the vast number of conservatives (like liberals) truly want to help people, they just have a different idea of how to do that. They may be wrong, but that doesn’t mean their intentions aren’t good. Engage them on the issues, but also listen. Nobody is 100% right, and in looking at things from a different angle, you might even be able to make your approach to a problem more effective. We need to stop blaming each other and start working together on solutions.

Ultimately, even if both sides walk away from an exchange convinced that the other side is wrong, we need to respect their right as Americans to be wrong. The beauty of our system is that when both sides are able to freely advocate for their positions, the majority will hopefully take us in a generally positive direction, and even when they don’t, we can try again until we do better.

Keep in mind that conservatives are individuals, just as liberals are, and there are many issues. While you may disagree with someone on one issue, if you stop treating them like the enemy, they may become a staunch ally on another issue.

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Anonymous wrote:I think conservatives just really, really like talking about kids' genitals. Which -- given their selection of a pedophile to be a long-time Speaker of the House and their religious supporters' endemic problem with sex abuse by priests, ministers, and youth pastors -- makes a lot of sense.

This from the crowd that thinks it's really, really important to have drag queens reading to kids and performing in front of kids.

What do drag queens reading children's stories to kids have to do with genitals? Do you really find this sexual? I mean whatever floats your boat an all but...

You know why you want those shows to happen, groomer.

New pp here, that is so unhinged.

Also, what do drag queens have to do with transgender people?

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Anonymous wrote:I wish people would stop trying to ascribe motivations, especially malevolent ones, to people they disagree with.

Conservatives are not a uniform block, and are motivated by multiple factors. I think there are some who espouse conservative (or liberal) positions for personal power, wealth, notoriety, etc., regardless of how they may actually feel. I think the vast number of conservatives (like liberals) truly want to help people, they just have a different idea of how to do that. They may be wrong, but that doesn’t mean their intentions aren’t good. Engage them on the issues, but also listen. Nobody is 100% right, and in looking at things from a different angle, you might even be able to make your approach to a problem more effective. We need to stop blaming each other and start working together on solutions.

Ultimately, even if both sides walk away from an exchange convinced that the other side is wrong, we need to respect their right as Americans to be wrong. The beauty of our system is that when both sides are able to freely advocate for their positions, the majority will hopefully take us in a generally positive direction, and even when they don’t, we can try again until we do better.

Keep in mind that conservatives are individuals, just as liberals are, and there are many issues. While you may disagree with someone on one issue, if you stop treating them like the enemy, they may become a staunch ally on another issue.

One cannot walk away from something like this in an amicable way when the post literally above yours has a conservative calling someone a groomer.

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Anonymous wrote:From the Holocaust Museum in Berlin earlier today. Homophobia, anti-trans, and anti-abortion are all linked:



Republicans are gleefully skipping down a well-trod path.

So the only way to not be a Nazi is to be in favor of performing sex changing surgeries on minors?

Apparently. If we don’t support them performing double mastectomies on 13 year old girls and destroying youths’ bone health with misused drugs then we’re racist and would have supported Hitler. Airtight argument.

Cite a case of a 13 year old getting an elective double mastectomy.

You’re welcome:

https://libertycenter.org/cases/layla/

She’s now suing the greedy quacks who mutilated her for a buck under the guise of “gender affirming” medicine.

There are many other such cases, as the studies that even transactivists like to cite acknowledge. But you already knew that. You were just hoping I’m not actually knowledgeable on this topic so you could lie, as you like to do.

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Anonymous wrote:I think conservatives just really, really like talking about kids' genitals. Which -- given their selection of a pedophile to be a long-time Speaker of the House and their religious supporters' endemic problem with sex abuse by priests, ministers, and youth pastors -- makes a lot of sense.

This from the crowd that thinks it's really, really important to have drag queens reading to kids and performing in front of kids.

Drag queen story hours are harmless to kids. Your priests and elected leaders, however, are not. They molest kids. And you support this pathology and condone it, so I guess that makes you a pervert by association.

Jesus would be so pleased. Something about making the little children suffer. Good job. Heaven for you.