It is so hard this year, McLean HS boy 4.6 GPA got rejected from UVA

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I don’t think OPs post is genuine based on what I’ve seen from my own child and his friend’s experiences with college admissions from FCPS. OP, what are your child’s ECs? Did he take the SAT or ACT? What major did he apply to? Excellent essays? Any discipline issues?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not “news” and isn’t a troll. It’s ok for a parent to enter an anonymous forum to express frustration. I do want to know if this is a white male. I worry about increasing racism as a result of this shift in the game. You assume you are too ranked based on measurements that, some argue, put some at a disadvantage. Schools try to create a student population that more adequately represents the world on a global scale, not just a historically white male dominated educational institution.

They said the majority admitted identified as more than one race when we attended the info session. It's pretty disheartening for Caucasian kids to basically be told 'need not apply' at every.single.info session-college tour. And every college flier we receive makes it look like all of these schools are 95% URM with the students they put on the cover. I mean if someone was up there in a room full of URMs saying 'the majority of our incoming are white (with a huge smile-isn't that great!!) there would be outrage and lawsuits...oh wait...dope!

You sound ridiculous. UVA is 56% white.

No, class of 2026 is only 47.2% white. Class of 2027, when settled, will be even lower"

Tpie chart shows that 47.3 percent of incoming students are White; 20.0 percent Asian-American; 8.1 percent Black; 7.6 percent Hispanic; 5.4 percent multi-race; 5.4 percent nonresident alient; and 5.9 percent unknown or other, which includes 0.1 percent American Indian or Alaskan Native and 0.1 percent Native ...Oct 21, 2022

The class of 2026, by the numbers - VIRGINIA Magazine

VIRGINIA Magazine
https://uvamagazine.org › articles › the_class_of_2026_b...

So in a state that is 20% African American, UVA is 8% black but the problem here is white enrollment. Ok.

I can barely visit DCUM anymore. The racism in almost every single thread is getting insane.

Same.

New poster: it’s not racism to state facts. There are Sup Ct cases on this topic: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/10/10/supreme-court-race-unc-admission/

There are stats on this topic: https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their/amp/

URMs (among others) do get a thumb on the scale when evaluating their applications. Yes, they have to be qualified but an URM, 1st Gen, applicant from a rural area, etc DO get a leg up if they have the stats. Meanwhile, Asians rank lower in personality traits because they are Asian (a point in the Harvard case admitted by Harvard during oral arguments).

These are facts. It is easier for some to get in to schools, TJ, college certain programs, etc., if you have a hook, and a hook can absolutely be your race. Race can also be an anchor for some.

the scapegoating of blacks and Hispanics who make up a small percentage of admits and students at both schools is racist. There are a host of factors underpinning your FCPS snowflake’s rejection and to single that one out smacks of racism.

Wrong. It’s the process getting blamed.

I don’t know what thread you’re reading. How many diversity comments are on this thread alone? You won’t be happy til the “process” reduces the already low numbers to zero. That’s how you will decide whether the process is fair.

Incorrect. You think it’s about reducing the admitted kids from only certain groups. I’m looking at making it race blind. You can’t have it both ways.

You can’t say: Jim is an URM but had great stats and is as qualified as anyone else to be admitted and if you think he was admitted bc he’s an URM, you’re racist. If you think he shouldn’t be considered bc he’s an URM, you’re racist.


And then equally not be able to say: Jim is an URM. He’s qualified to be admitted. He was admitted or denied notwithstanding his race bc it was a race blind process.

The current process results in a class at Tech that is not even 15% URM. At what point will you believe that it’s race blind?

Tech is 40.4% URM and underserved students. It’s been a big goal of principal Sands to hit 40% URM and first-generation, which he did two years ago. Google it

Actually, isn’t it more accurate to say it’s 40.4% of setudent who self identify as URM and underserved students?

You would have ask Virginia Tech. They are very big on getting in more URMs and first generation, military, the poor, etc, Since the headmaster has been pushing this publicly since 2016, I would guess they track everything very closely and admit only the ones that fit their boxes

Seriously? There is no tracking or accountability. You think if someone checks off mixed race or African American they verify it. Absurd. It’s self identified only and we know what that means.

Yeah we know. It’s such an advantage that [b]tech has something like 8% black enrollment. Wow so many people must be checking the box. Before you throw out ridiculous accusations just check to see if the facts even begin to support it.

Is only relevant in comparison to the # of qualified Black applicants.

No. If you’re claiming that students who aren’t black are checking the box because it gives them an advantage then it has no relevance.

No, I’m claiming that it’s not relevant to cite the % of Black students at VT in isolation. If only a very tiny # of Black students applied to VT, then that 8% is not out-of-line & doesn’t suggest it is easier or harder for a Black student to get into VT than a student of another race.

Are you purposefully ignoring facts? It’s not just VT. It’s not just black. It’s Hispanic. It’s mixed race. It’s Pacific Islanders. It’s a fact it’s all based on self reporting and if it meant nothing - then, exactly as the Plaintiff said at the Supreme Court- why are they fighting against it so much? And quotes from the justices:

Justice Samuel Alito likened affirmative action to a race in which a minority applicant gets to “start five yards closer to the finish line”.

Brett Kavanaugh: “these racial classifications are potentially dangerous and must have a logical end point”

Alito again: “ If you give a ‘plus’ to a person who falls within the category of under-represented minority, but not to somebody else, you’re disadvantaging the latter student.”

As a white Virginian, I have no problem with this, considering the history of how black Virginians have been treated. You don't even need to go back that far in time - go read some old Virginia newspapers from the 1950's, 60's, 70's. See how the society pages are all about white people and the crime page is all about black people (identified as "John Smith, Negro, was found with an unopened bottle of whiskey....") I've been doing historical research recently which requires reading old newspapers and the blatant racism so recent to the present day is shocking.

Pretending that a group of people don't need a little extra help to succeed after having been enslaved and then treated like third-class citizens for 100 years is wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think OPs post is genuine based on what I’ve seen from my own child and his friend’s experiences with college admissions from FCPS. OP, what are your child’s ECs? Did he take the SAT or ACT? What major did he apply to? Excellent essays? Any discipline issues?

Even at my high school back in the 90s, the smartest guy in my class got rejected from all the best schools despite having the highest gpa in my graduating class. He was definitely nerdy and awkward. This isn’t new. Strong students have been getting rejected from top schools. This happened back then and even more now.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think OPs post is genuine based on what I’ve seen from my own child and his friend’s experiences with college admissions from FCPS. OP, what are your child’s ECs? Did he take the SAT or ACT? What major did he apply to? Excellent essays? Any discipline issues?

I’m skeptical as well but don’t really care as the McLean kids we know are happy with their targets and options. There are a lot of schools out there besides UVA and VT.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not “news” and isn’t a troll. It’s ok for a parent to enter an anonymous forum to express frustration. I do want to know if this is a white male. I worry about increasing racism as a result of this shift in the game. You assume you are too ranked based on measurements that, some argue, put some at a disadvantage. Schools try to create a student population that more adequately represents the world on a global scale, not just a historically white male dominated educational institution.

They said the majority admitted identified as more than one race when we attended the info session. It's pretty disheartening for Caucasian kids to basically be told 'need not apply' at every.single.info session-college tour. And every college flier we receive makes it look like all of these schools are 95% URM with the students they put on the cover. I mean if someone was up there in a room full of URMs saying 'the majority of our incoming are white (with a huge smile-isn't that great!!) there would be outrage and lawsuits...oh wait...dope!

You sound ridiculous. UVA is 56% white.

No, class of 2026 is only 47.2% white. Class of 2027, when settled, will be even lower"

Tpie chart shows that 47.3 percent of incoming students are White; 20.0 percent Asian-American; 8.1 percent Black; 7.6 percent Hispanic; 5.4 percent multi-race; 5.4 percent nonresident alient; and 5.9 percent unknown or other, which includes 0.1 percent American Indian or Alaskan Native and 0.1 percent Native ...Oct 21, 2022

The class of 2026, by the numbers - VIRGINIA Magazine

VIRGINIA Magazine
https://uvamagazine.org › articles › the_class_of_2026_b...

So in a state that is 20% African American, UVA is 8% black but the problem here is white enrollment. Ok.

I can barely visit DCUM anymore. The racism in almost every single thread is getting insane.

Same.

New poster: it’s not racism to state facts. There are Sup Ct cases on this topic: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/10/10/supreme-court-race-unc-admission/

There are stats on this topic: https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their/amp/

URMs (among others) do get a thumb on the scale when evaluating their applications. Yes, they have to be qualified but an URM, 1st Gen, applicant from a rural area, etc DO get a leg up if they have the stats. Meanwhile, Asians rank lower in personality traits because they are Asian (a point in the Harvard case admitted by Harvard during oral arguments).

These are facts. It is easier for some to get in to schools, TJ, college certain programs, etc., if you have a hook, and a hook can absolutely be your race. Race can also be an anchor for some.

the scapegoating of blacks and Hispanics who make up a small percentage of admits and students at both schools is racist. There are a host of factors underpinning your FCPS snowflake’s rejection and to single that one out smacks of racism.

Wrong. It’s the process getting blamed.

I don’t know what thread you’re reading. How many diversity comments are on this thread alone? You won’t be happy til the “process” reduces the already low numbers to zero. That’s how you will decide whether the process is fair.

Incorrect. You think it’s about reducing the admitted kids from only certain groups. I’m looking at making it race blind. You can’t have it both ways.

You can’t say: Jim is an URM but had great stats and is as qualified as anyone else to be admitted and if you think he was admitted bc he’s an URM, you’re racist. If you think he shouldn’t be considered bc he’s an URM, you’re racist.


And then equally not be able to say: Jim is an URM. He’s qualified to be admitted. He was admitted or denied notwithstanding his race bc it was a race blind process.

The current process results in a class at Tech that is not even 15% URM. At what point will you believe that it’s race blind?

Tech is 40.4% URM and underserved students. It’s been a big goal of principal Sands to hit 40% URM and first-generation, which he did two years ago. Google it

Actually, isn’t it more accurate to say it’s 40.4% of setudent who self identify as URM and underserved students?

You would have ask Virginia Tech. They are very big on getting in more URMs and first generation, military, the poor, etc, Since the headmaster has been pushing this publicly since 2016, I would guess they track everything very closely and admit only the ones that fit their boxes

Seriously? There is no tracking or accountability. You think if someone checks off mixed race or African American they verify it. Absurd. It’s self identified only and we know what that means.

Yeah we know. It’s such an advantage that [b]tech has something like 8% black enrollment. Wow so many people must be checking the box. Before you throw out ridiculous accusations just check to see if the facts even begin to support it.

Is only relevant in comparison to the # of qualified Black applicants.

No. If you’re claiming that students who aren’t black are checking the box because it gives them an advantage then it has no relevance.

No, I’m claiming that it’s not relevant to cite the % of Black students at VT in isolation. If only a very tiny # of Black students applied to VT, then that 8% is not out-of-line & doesn’t suggest it is easier or harder for a Black student to get into VT than a student of another race.

Are you purposefully ignoring facts? It’s not just VT. It’s not just black. It’s Hispanic. It’s mixed race. It’s Pacific Islanders. It’s a fact it’s all based on self reporting and if it meant nothing - then, exactly as the Plaintiff said at the Supreme Court- why are they fighting against it so much? And quotes from the justices:

Justice Samuel Alito likened affirmative action to a race in which a minority applicant gets to “start five yards closer to the finish line”.

Brett Kavanaugh: “these racial classifications are potentially dangerous and must have a logical end point”

Alito again: “ If you give a ‘plus’ to a person who falls within the category of under-represented minority, but not to somebody else, you’re disadvantaging the latter student.”

As a white Virginian, I have no problem with this, considering the history of how black Virginians have been treated. You don't even need to go back that far in time - go read some old Virginia newspapers from the 1950's, 60's, 70's. See how the society pages are all about white people and the crime page is all about black people (identified as "John Smith, Negro, was found with an unopened bottle of whiskey....") I've been doing historical research recently which requires reading old newspapers and the blatant racism so recent to the present day is shocking.

Pretending that a group of people don't need a little extra help to succeed after having been enslaved and then treated like third-class citizens for 100 years is wrong.

Not sure why the 71% of wealthy blacks at Harvard need a little extra help to succeed. If the process worked as is intended to work, it would be more palatable. As it works now, it is now. At all.

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Anonymous wrote:^^ at Harvard, 71% of blacks are from wealthy backgrounds.

Cite?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not “news” and isn’t a troll. It’s ok for a parent to enter an anonymous forum to express frustration. I do want to know if this is a white male. I worry about increasing racism as a result of this shift in the game. You assume you are too ranked based on measurements that, some argue, put some at a disadvantage. Schools try to create a student population that more adequately represents the world on a global scale, not just a historically white male dominated educational institution.

They said the majority admitted identified as more than one race when we attended the info session. It's pretty disheartening for Caucasian kids to basically be told 'need not apply' at every.single.info session-college tour. And every college flier we receive makes it look like all of these schools are 95% URM with the students they put on the cover. I mean if someone was up there in a room full of URMs saying 'the majority of our incoming are white (with a huge smile-isn't that great!!) there would be outrage and lawsuits...oh wait...dope!

You sound ridiculous. UVA is 56% white.

No, class of 2026 is only 47.2% white. Class of 2027, when settled, will be even lower"

Tpie chart shows that 47.3 percent of incoming students are White; 20.0 percent Asian-American; 8.1 percent Black; 7.6 percent Hispanic; 5.4 percent multi-race; 5.4 percent nonresident alient; and 5.9 percent unknown or other, which includes 0.1 percent American Indian or Alaskan Native and 0.1 percent Native ...Oct 21, 2022

The class of 2026, by the numbers - VIRGINIA Magazine

VIRGINIA Magazine
https://uvamagazine.org › articles › the_class_of_2026_b...

So in a state that is 20% African American, UVA is 8% black but the problem here is white enrollment. Ok.

I can barely visit DCUM anymore. The racism in almost every single thread is getting insane.

Same.

New poster: it’s not racism to state facts. There are Sup Ct cases on this topic: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/10/10/supreme-court-race-unc-admission/

There are stats on this topic: https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their/amp/

URMs (among others) do get a thumb on the scale when evaluating their applications. Yes, they have to be qualified but an URM, 1st Gen, applicant from a rural area, etc DO get a leg up if they have the stats. Meanwhile, Asians rank lower in personality traits because they are Asian (a point in the Harvard case admitted by Harvard during oral arguments).

These are facts. It is easier for some to get in to schools, TJ, college certain programs, etc., if you have a hook, and a hook can absolutely be your race. Race can also be an anchor for some.

the scapegoating of blacks and Hispanics who make up a small percentage of admits and students at both schools is racist. There are a host of factors underpinning your FCPS snowflake’s rejection and to single that one out smacks of racism.

Wrong. It’s the process getting blamed.

I don’t know what thread you’re reading. How many diversity comments are on this thread alone? You won’t be happy til the “process” reduces the already low numbers to zero. That’s how you will decide whether the process is fair.

Incorrect. You think it’s about reducing the admitted kids from only certain groups. I’m looking at making it race blind. You can’t have it both ways.

You can’t say: Jim is an URM but had great stats and is as qualified as anyone else to be admitted and if you think he was admitted bc he’s an URM, you’re racist. If you think he shouldn’t be considered bc he’s an URM, you’re racist.


And then equally not be able to say: Jim is an URM. He’s qualified to be admitted. He was admitted or denied notwithstanding his race bc it was a race blind process.

The current process results in a class at Tech that is not even 15% URM. At what point will you believe that it’s race blind?

Tech is 40.4% URM and underserved students. It’s been a big goal of principal Sands to hit 40% URM and first-generation, which he did two years ago. Google it

Actually, isn’t it more accurate to say it’s 40.4% of setudent who self identify as URM and underserved students?

You would have ask Virginia Tech. They are very big on getting in more URMs and first generation, military, the poor, etc, Since the headmaster has been pushing this publicly since 2016, I would guess they track everything very closely and admit only the ones that fit their boxes

Seriously? There is no tracking or accountability. You think if someone checks off mixed race or African American they verify it. Absurd. It’s self identified only and we know what that means.

Yeah we know. It’s such an advantage that [b]tech has something like 8% black enrollment. Wow so many people must be checking the box. Before you throw out ridiculous accusations just check to see if the facts even begin to support it.

Is only relevant in comparison to the # of qualified Black applicants.

AA Dad here.
Both of our sons got rejected from both UVA and VT ( class of 2022 and class of 2025)
DS1 stats: SAT 1510, GPA 4.2 with 6 APs (mix of 4's and 5's)
DS2 stats: SAT 1530, GPA 4.4 with 8 APs ( one 3 and the rest all 5's)
EC: Not great for both. Mostly playing multiple sports but not recruited athletes.

Based on our experience none of these state schools thought AA sons were NOT qualified.

Last time I checked VT is currently 4.9% black and UVA is 5.2% black. Is it possible that most of the admitted AA are athletes?

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/virginia-polytechnic-institute-and-state-university/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-virginia-main-campus/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not “news” and isn’t a troll. It’s ok for a parent to enter an anonymous forum to express frustration. I do want to know if this is a white male. I worry about increasing racism as a result of this shift in the game. You assume you are too ranked based on measurements that, some argue, put some at a disadvantage. Schools try to create a student population that more adequately represents the world on a global scale, not just a historically white male dominated educational institution.

They said the majority admitted identified as more than one race when we attended the info session. It's pretty disheartening for Caucasian kids to basically be told 'need not apply' at every.single.info session-college tour. And every college flier we receive makes it look like all of these schools are 95% URM with the students they put on the cover. I mean if someone was up there in a room full of URMs saying 'the majority of our incoming are white (with a huge smile-isn't that great!!) there would be outrage and lawsuits...oh wait...dope!

You sound ridiculous. UVA is 56% white.

No, class of 2026 is only 47.2% white. Class of 2027, when settled, will be even lower"

Tpie chart shows that 47.3 percent of incoming students are White; 20.0 percent Asian-American; 8.1 percent Black; 7.6 percent Hispanic; 5.4 percent multi-race; 5.4 percent nonresident alient; and 5.9 percent unknown or other, which includes 0.1 percent American Indian or Alaskan Native and 0.1 percent Native ...Oct 21, 2022

The class of 2026, by the numbers - VIRGINIA Magazine

VIRGINIA Magazine
https://uvamagazine.org › articles › the_class_of_2026_b...

So in a state that is 20% African American, UVA is 8% black but the problem here is white enrollment. Ok.

I can barely visit DCUM anymore. The racism in almost every single thread is getting insane.

Same.

New poster: it’s not racism to state facts. There are Sup Ct cases on this topic: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/10/10/supreme-court-race-unc-admission/

There are stats on this topic: https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their/amp/

URMs (among others) do get a thumb on the scale when evaluating their applications. Yes, they have to be qualified but an URM, 1st Gen, applicant from a rural area, etc DO get a leg up if they have the stats. Meanwhile, Asians rank lower in personality traits because they are Asian (a point in the Harvard case admitted by Harvard during oral arguments).

These are facts. It is easier for some to get in to schools, TJ, college certain programs, etc., if you have a hook, and a hook can absolutely be your race. Race can also be an anchor for some.

the scapegoating of blacks and Hispanics who make up a small percentage of admits and students at both schools is racist. There are a host of factors underpinning your FCPS snowflake’s rejection and to single that one out smacks of racism.

Wrong. It’s the process getting blamed.

I don’t know what thread you’re reading. How many diversity comments are on this thread alone? You won’t be happy til the “process” reduces the already low numbers to zero. That’s how you will decide whether the process is fair.

Incorrect. You think it’s about reducing the admitted kids from only certain groups. I’m looking at making it race blind. You can’t have it both ways.

You can’t say: Jim is an URM but had great stats and is as qualified as anyone else to be admitted and if you think he was admitted bc he’s an URM, you’re racist. If you think he shouldn’t be considered bc he’s an URM, you’re racist.


And then equally not be able to say: Jim is an URM. He’s qualified to be admitted. He was admitted or denied notwithstanding his race bc it was a race blind process.

The current process results in a class at Tech that is not even 15% URM. At what point will you believe that it’s race blind?

Tech is 40.4% URM and underserved students. It’s been a big goal of principal Sands to hit 40% URM and first-generation, which he did two years ago. Google it

Actually, isn’t it more accurate to say it’s 40.4% of setudent who self identify as URM and underserved students?

You would have ask Virginia Tech. They are very big on getting in more URMs and first generation, military, the poor, etc, Since the headmaster has been pushing this publicly since 2016, I would guess they track everything very closely and admit only the ones that fit their boxes

Seriously? There is no tracking or accountability. You think if someone checks off mixed race or African American they verify it. Absurd. It’s self identified only and we know what that means.

Yeah we know. It’s such an advantage that [b]tech has something like 8% black enrollment. Wow so many people must be checking the box. Before you throw out ridiculous accusations just check to see if the facts even begin to support it.

Is only relevant in comparison to the # of qualified Black applicants.

No. If you’re claiming that students who aren’t black are checking the box because it gives them an advantage then it has no relevance.

No, I’m claiming that it’s not relevant to cite the % of Black students at VT in isolation. If only a very tiny # of Black students applied to VT, then that 8% is not out-of-line & doesn’t suggest it is easier or harder for a Black student to get into VT than a student of another race.

Are you purposefully ignoring facts? It’s not just VT. It’s not just black. It’s Hispanic. It’s mixed race. It’s Pacific Islanders. It’s a fact it’s all based on self reporting and if it meant nothing - then, exactly as the Plaintiff said at the Supreme Court- why are they fighting against it so much? And quotes from the justices:

Justice Samuel Alito likened affirmative action to a race in which a minority applicant gets to “start five yards closer to the finish line”.

Brett Kavanaugh: “these racial classifications are potentially dangerous and must have a logical end point”

Alito again: “ If you give a ‘plus’ to a person who falls within the category of under-represented minority, but not to somebody else, you’re disadvantaging the latter student.”

As a white Virginian, I have no problem with this, considering the history of how black Virginians have been treated. You don't even need to go back that far in time - go read some old Virginia newspapers from the 1950's, 60's, 70's. See how the society pages are all about white people and the crime page is all about black people (identified as "John Smith, Negro, was found with an unopened bottle of whiskey....") I've been doing historical research recently which requires reading old newspapers and the blatant racism so recent to the present day is shocking.

Pretending that a group of people don't need a little extra help to succeed after having been enslaved and then treated like third-class citizens for 100 years is wrong.

Except you’re taking it out of the hide of innocent kids who had nothing to do with any of that. It’s a zero sum game so helping one group means hurting another.

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Anonymous wrote:^^ at Harvard, 71% of blacks are from wealthy backgrounds.

Cite?

If you see the post you’re asking about, the ^^ meant see prior post and the link was in there. Here it is again:

Link: https://www.economist.com/open-future/2018/09/04/affirmative-action-should-be-based-on-class-not-race

Quote: “Unsurprisingly, at Harvard, 71% of the black and Latino students come from wealthy backgrounds.“

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Anonymous wrote:In the U.S. race & SES are intertwined. Colleges can achieve the same goals as they currently try to reach by using affirmative action if they instead look at geographic diversity, zip code, parental occupations, title 1 high school or not etc. No big deal for them.

Eh https://www.economist.com/open-future/2018/09/04/affirmative-action-should-be-based-on-class-not-race

Really?

Nothing in that link contradicts what I said. Most low-income kids in the U.S. are Black or Latino.

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Anonymous wrote:In the U.S. race & SES are intertwined. Colleges can achieve the same goals as they currently try to reach by using affirmative action if they instead look at geographic diversity, zip code, parental occupations, title 1 high school or not etc. No big deal for them.

Eh https://www.economist.com/open-future/2018/09/04/affirmative-action-should-be-based-on-class-not-race

Really?

Nothing in that link contradicts what I said. Most low-income kids in the U.S. are Black or Latino.

You said they are intertwined. They are not - in the absolute way you imply. They are intertwined many times, but not all.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not “news” and isn’t a troll. It’s ok for a parent to enter an anonymous forum to express frustration. I do want to know if this is a white male. I worry about increasing racism as a result of this shift in the game. You assume you are too ranked based on measurements that, some argue, put some at a disadvantage. Schools try to create a student population that more adequately represents the world on a global scale, not just a historically white male dominated educational institution.

They said the majority admitted identified as more than one race when we attended the info session. It's pretty disheartening for Caucasian kids to basically be told 'need not apply' at every.single.info session-college tour. And every college flier we receive makes it look like all of these schools are 95% URM with the students they put on the cover. I mean if someone was up there in a room full of URMs saying 'the majority of our incoming are white (with a huge smile-isn't that great!!) there would be outrage and lawsuits...oh wait...dope!

You sound ridiculous. UVA is 56% white.

No, class of 2026 is only 47.2% white. Class of 2027, when settled, will be even lower"

Tpie chart shows that 47.3 percent of incoming students are White; 20.0 percent Asian-American; 8.1 percent Black; 7.6 percent Hispanic; 5.4 percent multi-race; 5.4 percent nonresident alient; and 5.9 percent unknown or other, which includes 0.1 percent American Indian or Alaskan Native and 0.1 percent Native ...Oct 21, 2022

The class of 2026, by the numbers - VIRGINIA Magazine

VIRGINIA Magazine
https://uvamagazine.org › articles › the_class_of_2026_b...

So in a state that is 20% African American, UVA is 8% black but the problem here is white enrollment. Ok.

I can barely visit DCUM anymore. The racism in almost every single thread is getting insane.

Same.

New poster: it’s not racism to state facts. There are Sup Ct cases on this topic: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/10/10/supreme-court-race-unc-admission/

There are stats on this topic: https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their/amp/

URMs (among others) do get a thumb on the scale when evaluating their applications. Yes, they have to be qualified but an URM, 1st Gen, applicant from a rural area, etc DO get a leg up if they have the stats. Meanwhile, Asians rank lower in personality traits because they are Asian (a point in the Harvard case admitted by Harvard during oral arguments).

These are facts. It is easier for some to get in to schools, TJ, college certain programs, etc., if you have a hook, and a hook can absolutely be your race. Race can also be an anchor for some.

the scapegoating of blacks and Hispanics who make up a small percentage of admits and students at both schools is racist. There are a host of factors underpinning your FCPS snowflake’s rejection and to single that one out smacks of racism.

Wrong. It’s the process getting blamed.

I don’t know what thread you’re reading. How many diversity comments are on this thread alone? You won’t be happy til the “process” reduces the already low numbers to zero. That’s how you will decide whether the process is fair.

Incorrect. You think it’s about reducing the admitted kids from only certain groups. I’m looking at making it race blind. You can’t have it both ways.

You can’t say: Jim is an URM but had great stats and is as qualified as anyone else to be admitted and if you think he was admitted bc he’s an URM, you’re racist. If you think he shouldn’t be considered bc he’s an URM, you’re racist.


And then equally not be able to say: Jim is an URM. He’s qualified to be admitted. He was admitted or denied notwithstanding his race bc it was a race blind process.

The current process results in a class at Tech that is not even 15% URM. At what point will you believe that it’s race blind?

Tech is 40.4% URM and underserved students. It’s been a big goal of principal Sands to hit 40% URM and first-generation, which he did two years ago. Google it

Actually, isn’t it more accurate to say it’s 40.4% of setudent who self identify as URM and underserved students?

You would have ask Virginia Tech. They are very big on getting in more URMs and first generation, military, the poor, etc, Since the headmaster has been pushing this publicly since 2016, I would guess they track everything very closely and admit only the ones that fit their boxes

Seriously? There is no tracking or accountability. You think if someone checks off mixed race or African American they verify it. Absurd. It’s self identified only and we know what that means.

Yeah we know. It’s such an advantage that [b]tech has something like 8% black enrollment. Wow so many people must be checking the box. Before you throw out ridiculous accusations just check to see if the facts even begin to support it.

Is only relevant in comparison to the # of qualified Black applicants.

AA Dad here.
Both of our sons got rejected from both UVA and VT ( class of 2022 and class of 2025)
DS1 stats: SAT 1510, GPA 4.2 with 6 APs (mix of 4's and 5's)
DS2 stats: SAT 1530, GPA 4.4 with 8 APs ( one 3 and the rest all 5's)
EC: Not great for both. Mostly playing multiple sports but not recruited athletes.

Based on our experience none of these state schools thought AA sons were NOT qualified.

Last time I checked VT is currently 4.9% black and UVA is 5.2% black. Is it possible that most of the admitted AA are athletes?

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/virginia-polytechnic-institute-and-state-university/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-virginia-main-campus/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

May I ask where they ended up going? Those are excellent stats.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not “news” and isn’t a troll. It’s ok for a parent to enter an anonymous forum to express frustration. I do want to know if this is a white male. I worry about increasing racism as a result of this shift in the game. You assume you are too ranked based on measurements that, some argue, put some at a disadvantage. Schools try to create a student population that more adequately represents the world on a global scale, not just a historically white male dominated educational institution.

They said the majority admitted identified as more than one race when we attended the info session. It's pretty disheartening for Caucasian kids to basically be told 'need not apply' at every.single.info session-college tour. And every college flier we receive makes it look like all of these schools are 95% URM with the students they put on the cover. I mean if someone was up there in a room full of URMs saying 'the majority of our incoming are white (with a huge smile-isn't that great!!) there would be outrage and lawsuits...oh wait...dope!

You sound ridiculous. UVA is 56% white.

No, class of 2026 is only 47.2% white. Class of 2027, when settled, will be even lower"

Tpie chart shows that 47.3 percent of incoming students are White; 20.0 percent Asian-American; 8.1 percent Black; 7.6 percent Hispanic; 5.4 percent multi-race; 5.4 percent nonresident alient; and 5.9 percent unknown or other, which includes 0.1 percent American Indian or Alaskan Native and 0.1 percent Native ...Oct 21, 2022

The class of 2026, by the numbers - VIRGINIA Magazine

VIRGINIA Magazine
https://uvamagazine.org › articles › the_class_of_2026_b...

So in a state that is 20% African American, UVA is 8% black but the problem here is white enrollment. Ok.

I can barely visit DCUM anymore. The racism in almost every single thread is getting insane.

Same.

New poster: it’s not racism to state facts. There are Sup Ct cases on this topic: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/10/10/supreme-court-race-unc-admission/

There are stats on this topic: https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their/amp/

URMs (among others) do get a thumb on the scale when evaluating their applications. Yes, they have to be qualified but an URM, 1st Gen, applicant from a rural area, etc DO get a leg up if they have the stats. Meanwhile, Asians rank lower in personality traits because they are Asian (a point in the Harvard case admitted by Harvard during oral arguments).

These are facts. It is easier for some to get in to schools, TJ, college certain programs, etc., if you have a hook, and a hook can absolutely be your race. Race can also be an anchor for some.

the scapegoating of blacks and Hispanics who make up a small percentage of admits and students at both schools is racist. There are a host of factors underpinning your FCPS snowflake’s rejection and to single that one out smacks of racism.

Wrong. It’s the process getting blamed.

I don’t know what thread you’re reading. How many diversity comments are on this thread alone? You won’t be happy til the “process” reduces the already low numbers to zero. That’s how you will decide whether the process is fair.

Incorrect. You think it’s about reducing the admitted kids from only certain groups. I’m looking at making it race blind. You can’t have it both ways.

You can’t say: Jim is an URM but had great stats and is as qualified as anyone else to be admitted and if you think he was admitted bc he’s an URM, you’re racist. If you think he shouldn’t be considered bc he’s an URM, you’re racist.


And then equally not be able to say: Jim is an URM. He’s qualified to be admitted. He was admitted or denied notwithstanding his race bc it was a race blind process.

The current process results in a class at Tech that is not even 15% URM. At what point will you believe that it’s race blind?

Tech is 40.4% URM and underserved students. It’s been a big goal of principal Sands to hit 40% URM and first-generation, which he did two years ago. Google it

Actually, isn’t it more accurate to say it’s 40.4% of setudent who self identify as URM and underserved students?

You would have ask Virginia Tech. They are very big on getting in more URMs and first generation, military, the poor, etc, Since the headmaster has been pushing this publicly since 2016, I would guess they track everything very closely and admit only the ones that fit their boxes

Seriously? There is no tracking or accountability. You think if someone checks off mixed race or African American they verify it. Absurd. It’s self identified only and we know what that means.

Yeah we know. It’s such an advantage that [b]tech has something like 8% black enrollment. Wow so many people must be checking the box. Before you throw out ridiculous accusations just check to see if the facts even begin to support it.

Is only relevant in comparison to the # of qualified Black applicants.

AA Dad here.
Both of our sons got rejected from both UVA and VT ( class of 2022 and class of 2025)
DS1 stats: SAT 1510, GPA 4.2 with 6 APs (mix of 4's and 5's)
DS2 stats: SAT 1530, GPA 4.4 with 8 APs ( one 3 and the rest all 5's)
EC: Not great for both. Mostly playing multiple sports but not recruited athletes.

Based on our experience none of these state schools thought AA sons were NOT qualified.

Last time I checked VT is currently 4.9% black and UVA is 5.2% black. Is it possible that most of the admitted AA are athletes?

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/virginia-polytechnic-institute-and-state-university/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-virginia-main-campus/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

Thank you for sharing this information. In the heated exchanges on DCUM, what’s easy to forget is that plenty of qualified Black also get rejected. If VT and UVA were focused so much on racial diversity, there’s low hanging fruit like your sons. They are both easy, easy wins for UVA and VT diversity numbers. We have a ways to go to get to a good level of racial diversity. I hope your sons are happy where they ended up!

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Anonymous wrote:^^ at Harvard, 71% of blacks are from wealthy backgrounds.

Cite?

If you see the post you’re asking about, the ^^ meant see prior post and the link was in there. Here it is again:

Link: https://www.economist.com/open-future/2018/09/04/affirmative-action-should-be-based-on-class-not-race

Quote: “Unsurprisingly, at Harvard, 71% of the black and Latino students come from wealthy backgrounds.“

I was more curious what his cite was. He doesn’t seem to define wealthy backgrounds. He could draw the line anywhere to support his point.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not “news” and isn’t a troll. It’s ok for a parent to enter an anonymous forum to express frustration. I do want to know if this is a white male. I worry about increasing racism as a result of this shift in the game. You assume you are too ranked based on measurements that, some argue, put some at a disadvantage. Schools try to create a student population that more adequately represents the world on a global scale, not just a historically white male dominated educational institution.

They said the majority admitted identified as more than one race when we attended the info session. It's pretty disheartening for Caucasian kids to basically be told 'need not apply' at every.single.info session-college tour. And every college flier we receive makes it look like all of these schools are 95% URM with the students they put on the cover. I mean if someone was up there in a room full of URMs saying 'the majority of our incoming are white (with a huge smile-isn't that great!!) there would be outrage and lawsuits...oh wait...dope!

You sound ridiculous. UVA is 56% white.

No, class of 2026 is only 47.2% white. Class of 2027, when settled, will be even lower"

Tpie chart shows that 47.3 percent of incoming students are White; 20.0 percent Asian-American; 8.1 percent Black; 7.6 percent Hispanic; 5.4 percent multi-race; 5.4 percent nonresident alient; and 5.9 percent unknown or other, which includes 0.1 percent American Indian or Alaskan Native and 0.1 percent Native ...Oct 21, 2022

The class of 2026, by the numbers - VIRGINIA Magazine

VIRGINIA Magazine
https://uvamagazine.org › articles › the_class_of_2026_b...

So in a state that is 20% African American, UVA is 8% black but the problem here is white enrollment. Ok.

I can barely visit DCUM anymore. The racism in almost every single thread is getting insane.

Same.

New poster: it’s not racism to state facts. There are Sup Ct cases on this topic: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/10/10/supreme-court-race-unc-admission/

There are stats on this topic: https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their/amp/

URMs (among others) do get a thumb on the scale when evaluating their applications. Yes, they have to be qualified but an URM, 1st Gen, applicant from a rural area, etc DO get a leg up if they have the stats. Meanwhile, Asians rank lower in personality traits because they are Asian (a point in the Harvard case admitted by Harvard during oral arguments).

These are facts. It is easier for some to get in to schools, TJ, college certain programs, etc., if you have a hook, and a hook can absolutely be your race. Race can also be an anchor for some.

the scapegoating of blacks and Hispanics who make up a small percentage of admits and students at both schools is racist. There are a host of factors underpinning your FCPS snowflake’s rejection and to single that one out smacks of racism.

Wrong. It’s the process getting blamed.

I don’t know what thread you’re reading. How many diversity comments are on this thread alone? You won’t be happy til the “process” reduces the already low numbers to zero. That’s how you will decide whether the process is fair.

Incorrect. You think it’s about reducing the admitted kids from only certain groups. I’m looking at making it race blind. You can’t have it both ways.

You can’t say: Jim is an URM but had great stats and is as qualified as anyone else to be admitted and if you think he was admitted bc he’s an URM, you’re racist. If you think he shouldn’t be considered bc he’s an URM, you’re racist.


And then equally not be able to say: Jim is an URM. He’s qualified to be admitted. He was admitted or denied notwithstanding his race bc it was a race blind process.

The current process results in a class at Tech that is not even 15% URM. At what point will you believe that it’s race blind?

Tech is 40.4% URM and underserved students. It’s been a big goal of principal Sands to hit 40% URM and first-generation, which he did two years ago. Google it

Actually, isn’t it more accurate to say it’s 40.4% of setudent who self identify as URM and underserved students?

You would have ask Virginia Tech. They are very big on getting in more URMs and first generation, military, the poor, etc, Since the headmaster has been pushing this publicly since 2016, I would guess they track everything very closely and admit only the ones that fit their boxes

Seriously? There is no tracking or accountability. You think if someone checks off mixed race or African American they verify it. Absurd. It’s self identified only and we know what that means.

Yeah we know. It’s such an advantage that [b]tech has something like 8% black enrollment. Wow so many people must be checking the box. Before you throw out ridiculous accusations just check to see if the facts even begin to support it.

Is only relevant in comparison to the # of qualified Black applicants.

AA Dad here.
Both of our sons got rejected from both UVA and VT ( class of 2022 and class of 2025)
DS1 stats: SAT 1510, GPA 4.2 with 6 APs (mix of 4's and 5's)
DS2 stats: SAT 1530, GPA 4.4 with 8 APs ( one 3 and the rest all 5's)
EC: Not great for both. Mostly playing multiple sports but not recruited athletes.

Based on our experience none of these state schools thought AA sons were NOT qualified.

Last time I checked VT is currently 4.9% black and UVA is 5.2% black. Is it possible that most of the admitted AA are athletes?

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/virginia-polytechnic-institute-and-state-university/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-virginia-main-campus/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

May I ask where they ended up going? Those are excellent stats.

They both receive positive responses from OOS and private schools but we're a "donut-hole" family and couldn't afford the 50K/70K tuitions.
DS1 did well at VCU and currently pursuing a master's at Duke. DS2 is also @ VCU.