Grand Jury report on LCPS sexual assault cases is unsealed

[Anonymous]

People complaining about the charges are missing the point. The grand jury has succeeded in detailing how incompetent and careless the school administrators are when it comes to student safety - and staff safety as well. They didn’t even care when an employee described how there was inappropriate behaviors going on and she obviously was not comfortable. What if a student had written a similar email describing the same thing instead of a TA. Would they have done anything for the student? Would they have ignored the student the same way they did to the TA?

Whether or not Ziegler and his spokesman are convicted of their charges is a separate matter. There are a lot of issues and problems in the schools involved in the case that doesn’t have anything to do with them.

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Anonymous wrote:Side note - the boy was wearing a skirt. A few students who knew him will tell you he did not identify as gender fluid, it was just something that was done as a distraction.

This.
Too many people too focused on trying to identify him as trans or gender fluid, when there is absolutely no evidence that was the case. It just serves as a political flashpoint to generate headlines and conservative outrage.
I went to high school in the 90s. A boy in my graduating class used to show up to school in a kilt on occasion. Not a Scot, not trans or gender fluid…just did it to get a response and attention.
I don’t care what he was wearing. I care that he raped 2 girls.

I wish this was highlighted more. The only people who mention gender-fluid are national media when talking about LCPS. The actually people who went to school with the rapist, his teachers, his family - never claimed that.

Its to distract from the fact that this boy belongs in prison.

I'm not sure about that. I agree that the boy belongs in prison and that, by all accounts, he was not gender-fluid. I still question whether leadership downplayed or was not transparent about the initial incident because there were reports that the boy may have been trans or gender-fluid and the attack occurred while the system was formulating the bathroom policy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Side note - the boy was wearing a skirt. A few students who knew him will tell you he did not identify as gender fluid, it was just something that was done as a distraction.

This.
Too many people too focused on trying to identify him as trans or gender fluid, when there is absolutely no evidence that was the case. It just serves as a political flashpoint to generate headlines and conservative outrage.
I went to high school in the 90s. A boy in my graduating class used to show up to school in a kilt on occasion. Not a Scot, not trans or gender fluid…just did it to get a response and attention.
I don’t care what he was wearing. I care that he raped 2 girls.

I wish this was highlighted more. The only people who mention gender-fluid are national media when talking about LCPS. The actually people who went to school with the rapist, his teachers, his family - never claimed that.

Its to distract from the fact that this boy belongs in prison.

I'm not sure about that. I agree that the boy belongs in prison and that, by all accounts, he was not gender-fluid. I still question whether leadership downplayed or was not transparent about the initial incident because there were reports that the boy may have been trans or gender-fluid and the attack occurred while the system was formulating the bathroom policy.

That could be possible, but a simple discussion with his family or schoolmates would have resolved that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People complaining about the charges are missing the point. The grand jury has succeeded in detailing how incompetent and careless the school administrators are when it comes to student safety - and staff safety as well. They didn’t even care when an employee described how there was inappropriate behaviors going on and she obviously was not comfortable. What if a student had written a similar email describing the same thing instead of a TA. Would they have done anything for the student? Would they have ignored the student the same way they did to the TA?

Whether or not Ziegler and his spokesman are convicted of their charges is a separate matter. There are a lot of issues and problems in the schools involved in the case that doesn’t have anything to do with them.

In reading the report I'm just amazed at how absolutely messed up this situation is. It has me doubting pretty much everything I hear from LCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:Side note - the boy was wearing a skirt. A few students who knew him will tell you he did not identify as gender fluid, it was just something that was done as a distraction.

This.
Too many people too focused on trying to identify him as trans or gender fluid, when there is absolutely no evidence that was the case. It just serves as a political flashpoint to generate headlines and conservative outrage.
I went to high school in the 90s. A boy in my graduating class used to show up to school in a kilt on occasion. Not a Scot, not trans or gender fluid…just did it to get a response and attention.
I don’t care what he was wearing. I care that he raped 2 girls.

I wish this was highlighted more. The only people who mention gender-fluid are national media when talking about LCPS. The actually people who went to school with the rapist, his teachers, his family - never claimed that.

Its to distract from the fact that this boy belongs in prison.

I'm not sure about that. I agree that the boy belongs in prison and that, by all accounts, he was not gender-fluid. I still question whether leadership downplayed or was not transparent about the initial incident because there were reports that the boy may have been trans or gender-fluid and the attack occurred while the system was formulating the bathroom policy.

That could be possible, but a simple discussion with his family or schoolmates would have resolved that.

There's been mention he was wearing a kilt. Was he, or was he not wearing a kilt ?! That is all the answer we need. Someone grabbed that ball and ran with it, calling him trans/gender fluid. The rest is national news making LCPSs the laughingstock school district of the nation. The board have been acting like buffoons for years now, but that's another issue. They helped create the toxic sour culture that has led to lurid headlines.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Still have no idea what Byard allegedly perjured himself about. Makes no sense to me. That man had no reason or benefit to lie intentionally. He wasn’t involved in any of the incidents, he’s simply a PIO. It’s so unfortunate how this entire situation has become so politically entrenched that you can’t tell what was legitimately handled poorly and what is simply part of a political operation because conservatives target Loudoun and found the perfect opportunity to exploit. And meanwhile nothing at all coming down on LCSO.

Agree - Ziegler, yeah - that guy should be fired. But can someone tell me what Byard did?

You can’t have school officials lying and yelling half truths about school safety. That sets a dangerous precedent. No matter what their bosses advise them.

Obviously the biggest concern this report is the transfer of a dangerous student who attacked again. That’s horrendous and likely needs to result in a wholesale policy change if not terminations. But lying to the public regarding the safety of schools is still dangerous for long term public trust, which is already struggling for public schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:so what are schools supposed to do with kids like this, whose own mother and grandmother warned the school about?

and when does this known sociopath get released?

Kids like this? you mean rapists?

My daughter goes to stone bridge, the "kid" should have been arrested after the first rape. No alternative school no "special needs" situation.

Jail then prison.

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Why didn’t law enforcement take action? The police are being let off the hook very easily here while school administrators, who have much more limited authority and powers to deal with criminal matters, being thrown under the bus. A school Superintendent cannot arrest, prosecute, charge, or incarcerate. Where is the accountability from that angle?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure these criminal charges will stick. And the public information officer charged with perjury? It seems very politically motivated by Youngkin/Miyares. Guess we’ll see.

Agree. And will make the next guy's job that much harder (and finding him/her).

Between attacks on teachers and now criminal charges against school administrators, who on earth would want to work in the VA public education system right now? It’s all part of Youngkin’s strategy to dismantle public schools and privatize education.

Well hopefully it keeps out the people who want to take a laissez faire approach to students with sexual assault charges. Maybe we can get back to admins that take it seriously when teachers or parents report dangerous behavior.

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There was no laissez faire approach. Pure lies the rwnjs keep trying to push. Even the sro didn't think there was anything valid. She'd been having sex with the kid on the regular in the bathroom. The super could not say anything about the issue. He was in a difficult situation. You jerks have taken advantage of the difficult situation, just like you tried to villainize Fauci, to destroy the administration that seemed too liberal for you. This super is 100% a scapegoat.

Ewww. It is always the victim's fault right??? Her skirt was too short? Consent to v means consent to a, right??? Consent to s&x means consent to asphyxiation, right? How about consent to s$x means consent to a punch??? I hope you do not have children, as it is these attitudes that lead to s@x assault because your sons do not know when to stop.

If you want to have a conversation about stopping sexual assault in schools, I will have it.

Be warned that that conversation will spend a lot of time about how transgender people are frequently the victims of it. It will also involve a close examination of the culture our cis-gender boys absorb and probably involve training for boys to stop them from being so predatory all the time.

Shall we have that conversation?

NP. All this because you are upset that IN THIS CASE the girl was raped by a kid who was also gender fluid. Stop with the generalities that you want to use to dilute what happened to these girls. Groupthink is going to be the damn death of civility.

Whether or not the boy was “gender fluid” is immaterial to this situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People complaining about the charges are missing the point. The grand jury has succeeded in detailing how incompetent and careless the school administrators are when it comes to student safety - and staff safety as well. They didn’t even care when an employee described how there was inappropriate behaviors going on and she obviously was not comfortable. What if a student had written a similar email describing the same thing instead of a TA. Would they have done anything for the student? Would they have ignored the student the same way they did to the TA?

Whether or not Ziegler and his spokesman are convicted of their charges is a separate matter. There are a lot of issues and problems in the schools involved in the case that doesn’t have anything to do with them.

See, I don’t agree. I found the ground jury report to be specious at best. And unprofessional. It wasn’t a dispassionate recitation of facts— it was an emotional document that made a lot of accusations with incomplete information. I mean, hell, they didn’t even talk to Ziegler.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:so what are schools supposed to do with kids like this, whose own mother and grandmother warned the school about?

and when does this known sociopath get released?

Kids like this? you mean rapists?

My daughter goes to stone bridge, the "kid" should have been arrested after the first rape. No alternative school no "special needs" situation.

Jail then prison.

That is why more focus needs to be on the LCSO and not so much on the schools.

Mike Chapman is ultimately responsible for this. God awful sheriff. Partisan, corrupt, unprofessional. He should be strung up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:so what are schools supposed to do with kids like this, whose own mother and grandmother warned the school about?

and when does this known sociopath get released?

Kids like this? you mean rapists?

My daughter goes to stone bridge, the "kid" should have been arrested after the first rape. No alternative school no "special needs" situation.

Jail then prison.

That is why more focus needs to be on the LCSO and not so much on the schools.

Mike Chapman is ultimately responsible for this. God awful sheriff. Partisan, corrupt, unprofessional. He should be strung up.

The first principal really downplayed it too. A girl has been raped and he’s busy yelling at the father while the rapist is at large in the school. He sucks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Side note - the boy was wearing a skirt. A few students who knew him will tell you he did not identify as gender fluid, it was just something that was done as a distraction.

This.
Too many people too focused on trying to identify him as trans or gender fluid, when there is absolutely no evidence that was the case. It just serves as a political flashpoint to generate headlines and conservative outrage.
I went to high school in the 90s. A boy in my graduating class used to show up to school in a kilt on occasion. Not a Scot, not trans or gender fluid…just did it to get a response and attention.
I don’t care what he was wearing. I care that he raped 2 girls.

I wish this was highlighted more. The only people who mention gender-fluid are national media when talking about LCPS. The actually people who went to school with the rapist, his teachers, his family - never claimed that.

Its to distract from the fact that this boy belongs in prison.

I'm not sure about that. I agree that the boy belongs in prison and that, by all accounts, he was not gender-fluid. I still question whether leadership downplayed or was not transparent about the initial incident because there were reports that the boy may have been trans or gender-fluid and the attack occurred while the system was formulating the bathroom policy.

You know how when kids shoot up schools all these people come out and say “we knew something was off” and tons of prior reports are released? That’s like what happened here. When kids are involved, schools are SHOCKINGLY limited in what they can do no matter how troubling the behavior or actions or speech of that child. It’s like until they commit the crime, you can’t do a thing. I’m a teacher and we all know the kids who have giant files in counseling, the school psychologist, admin, and you just report report report knowing full well you can’t stop anything that might be coming, you’re only building the file. And this isn’t like it’s one bad principal. It’s the way the entire school systems and laws to protect minors are set up. Until they actually DO something, schools cannot take any real action against them. Then of course they do it and it’s too late. So no a “simple convo” wouldn’t have changed anything. A violent kid was in a school and no matter how many people knew he was a risk, nothing could be done until he was provably violent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Side note - the boy was wearing a skirt. A few students who knew him will tell you he did not identify as gender fluid, it was just something that was done as a distraction.

This.
Too many people too focused on trying to identify him as trans or gender fluid, when there is absolutely no evidence that was the case. It just serves as a political flashpoint to generate headlines and conservative outrage.
I went to high school in the 90s. A boy in my graduating class used to show up to school in a kilt on occasion. Not a Scot, not trans or gender fluid…just did it to get a response and attention.
I don’t care what he was wearing. I care that he raped 2 girls.

I wish this was highlighted more. The only people who mention gender-fluid are national media when talking about LCPS. The actually people who went to school with the rapist, his teachers, his family - never claimed that.

Its to distract from the fact that this boy belongs in prison.

I'm not sure about that. I agree that the boy belongs in prison and that, by all accounts, he was not gender-fluid. I still question whether leadership downplayed or was not transparent about the initial incident because there were reports that the boy may have been trans or gender-fluid and the attack occurred while the system was formulating the bathroom policy.

You know how when kids shoot up schools all these people come out and say “we knew something was off” and tons of prior reports are released? That’s like what happened here. When kids are involved, schools are SHOCKINGLY limited in what they can do no matter how troubling the behavior or actions or speech of that child. It’s like until they commit the crime, you can’t do a thing. I’m a teacher and we all know the kids who have giant files in counseling, the school psychologist, admin, and you just report report report knowing full well you can’t stop anything that might be coming, you’re only building the file. And this isn’t like it’s one bad principal. It’s the way the entire school systems and laws to protect minors are set up. Until they actually DO something, schools cannot take any real action against them. Then of course they do it and it’s too late. So no a “simple convo” wouldn’t have changed anything. A violent kid was in a school and no matter how many people knew he was a risk, nothing could be done until he was provably violent.

DP. I’m a teacher too. I agree with all of this but it’s worth pointing out that this kid had serious behavior issues including fights and highly disruptive behavior, per his mother, since kindergarten. I guarantee his teachers tried repeatedly to get him moved to a more restrictive setting before the first rape and the district refused.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:so what are schools supposed to do with kids like this, whose own mother and grandmother warned the school about?

and when does this known sociopath get released?

Kids like this? you mean rapists?

My daughter goes to stone bridge, the "kid" should have been arrested after the first rape. No alternative school no "special needs" situation.

Jail then prison.

That is why more focus needs to be on the LCSO and not so much on the schools.

Mike Chapman is ultimately responsible for this. God awful sheriff. Partisan, corrupt, unprofessional. He should be strung up.

The first principal really downplayed it too. A girl has been raped and he’s busy yelling at the father while the rapist is at large in the school. He sucks.

Where did he yell at father? And we don’t know how the father presented himself. If he came in hollering about a kid in a skirt, of course they will go to the 8020. You are assuming everyone had all information at that time. Keep in mind the sheriff didn’t even charge the kid for two months after the incident.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Side note - the boy was wearing a skirt. A few students who knew him will tell you he did not identify as gender fluid, it was just something that was done as a distraction.

This.
Too many people too focused on trying to identify him as trans or gender fluid, when there is absolutely no evidence that was the case. It just serves as a political flashpoint to generate headlines and conservative outrage.
I went to high school in the 90s. A boy in my graduating class used to show up to school in a kilt on occasion. Not a Scot, not trans or gender fluid…just did it to get a response and attention.
I don’t care what he was wearing. I care that he raped 2 girls.

I wish this was highlighted more. The only people who mention gender-fluid are national media when talking about LCPS. The actually people who went to school with the rapist, his teachers, his family - never claimed that.

Its to distract from the fact that this boy belongs in prison.

I'm not sure about that. I agree that the boy belongs in prison and that, by all accounts, he was not gender-fluid. I still question whether leadership downplayed or was not transparent about the initial incident because there were reports that the boy may have been trans or gender-fluid and the attack occurred while the system was formulating the bathroom policy.

You know how when kids shoot up schools all these people come out and say “we knew something was off” and tons of prior reports are released? That’s like what happened here. When kids are involved, schools are SHOCKINGLY limited in what they can do no matter how troubling the behavior or actions or speech of that child. It’s like until they commit the crime, you can’t do a thing. I’m a teacher and we all know the kids who have giant files in counseling, the school psychologist, admin, and you just report report report knowing full well you can’t stop anything that might be coming, you’re only building the file. And this isn’t like it’s one bad principal. It’s the way the entire school systems and laws to protect minors are set up. Until they actually DO something, schools cannot take any real action against them. Then of course they do it and it’s too late. So no a “simple convo” wouldn’t have changed anything. A violent kid was in a school and no matter how many people knew he was a risk, nothing could be done until he was provably violent.

DP. I’m a teacher too. I agree with all of this but it’s worth pointing out that this kid had serious behavior issues including fights and highly disruptive behavior, per his mother, since kindergarten. I guarantee his teachers tried repeatedly to get him moved to a more restrictive setting before the first rape and the district refused.

Yes, exactly my point. We the teachers see and KNOW and we document our asses off. But we are told nothing can be done UNTIL they escalate - it’s too late then!