Student walkout

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If parents want to know everything about their kids, why don’t they talk to them? The kids keeping a secret like this clearly don’t feel safe to talk to their parents. Instead of using the force of the state to know about their kids, they should try parenting.

This!! The kids that can't tell their parents stuff have crappy-ass parents who have made it clear that there is a "right" way to be and they better not step out of gender norms.

Most of the girls in my kids class who are identifying as boys without telling their parents have very liberal parents who say the exact same thing that you just posted.

There are close to 50 to 60 percent of the girls in my kids fcps middle school who are claiming a different gender. Most of their parents are very blue, very kind and involved parents and have zero clue that this is going on.

The kids hiding this from their parents has nothing to do with having "crappy ass parents"

The hiding stuff from parents is normal, mainstream, developmentally appropriate teen behavior that has nothing to do with the quality of a trans kids parents.

The problem is that for some reason, on this particular issue, activists have cowed schools and parents and brainwashed students into believing that parents should be cut off from their kids by schools as a best practice. This is simply wrong, particularly on such an emotionally charged and potentially dangerous to the kids well being mental health issue.

These "statistics" are purely fabricated. Name it, cite it, or STFU with putting them forth like they are valid.

Talk to any middle school kid or middle school teacher in fcps.

They will confirm that many if not most of the middle school girls are going by any gender but girl.

Not true at all. Are you even a FCPS parent?

Elections are coming up. Seems like more GOP astroturfing.

Absolutely it is true for middle school. Yes, ai am a parent of a fcps middle schooler.

I assume that you are a good parent and probably on the preferred fcps side of this issue.

But if you have a middle school daughter, even one who presents very girly, and even if you are a trans ally, your middle school daughter who you think is a girl is very likely identifying as a boy at school without you having a clue. Based on what my kid and the neighborhood kids And teacher friend say, the odds could be as high as 50/50.

Total BS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If parents want to know everything about their kids, why don’t they talk to them? The kids keeping a secret like this clearly don’t feel safe to talk to their parents. Instead of using the force of the state to know about their kids, they should try parenting.

This!! The kids that can't tell their parents stuff have crappy-ass parents who have made it clear that there is a "right" way to be and they better not step out of gender norms.

Most of the girls in my kids class who are identifying as boys without telling their parents have very liberal parents who say the exact same thing that you just posted.

There are close to 50 to 60 percent of the girls in my kids fcps middle school who are claiming a different gender. Most of their parents are very blue, very kind and involved parents and have zero clue that this is going on.

The kids hiding this from their parents has nothing to do with having "crappy ass parents"

The hiding stuff from parents is normal, mainstream, developmentally appropriate teen behavior that has nothing to do with the quality of a trans kids parents.

The problem is that for some reason, on this particular issue, activists have cowed schools and parents and brainwashed students into believing that parents should be cut off from their kids by schools as a best practice. This is simply wrong, particularly on such an emotionally charged and potentially dangerous to the kids well being mental health issue.

These "statistics" are purely fabricated. Name it, cite it, or STFU with putting them forth like they are valid.

Talk to any middle school kid or middle school teacher in fcps.

They will confirm that many if not most of the middle school girls are going by any gender but girl.

Not true at all. Are you even a FCPS parent?

Elections are coming up. Seems like more GOP astroturfing.

Absolutely it is true for middle school. Yes, ai am a parent of a fcps middle schooler.

I assume that you are a good parent and probably on the preferred fcps side of this issue.

But if you have a middle school daughter, even one who presents very girly, and even if you are a trans ally, your middle school daughter who you think is a girl is very likely identifying as a boy at school without you having a clue. Based on what my kid and the neighborhood kids And teacher friend say, the odds could be as high as 50/50.

So?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If parents want to know everything about their kids, why don’t they talk to them? The kids keeping a secret like this clearly don’t feel safe to talk to their parents. Instead of using the force of the state to know about their kids, they should try parenting.

This!! The kids that can't tell their parents stuff have crappy-ass parents who have made it clear that there is a "right" way to be and they better not step out of gender norms.

Most of the girls in my kids class who are identifying as boys without telling their parents have very liberal parents who say the exact same thing that you just posted.

There are close to 50 to 60 percent of the girls in my kids fcps middle school who are claiming a different gender. Most of their parents are very blue, very kind and involved parents and have zero clue that this is going on.

The kids hiding this from their parents has nothing to do with having "crappy ass parents"

The hiding stuff from parents is normal, mainstream, developmentally appropriate teen behavior that has nothing to do with the quality of a trans kids parents.

The problem is that for some reason, on this particular issue, activists have cowed schools and parents and brainwashed students into believing that parents should be cut off from their kids by schools as a best practice. This is simply wrong, particularly on such an emotionally charged and potentially dangerous to the kids well being mental health issue.

These "statistics" are purely fabricated. Name it, cite it, or STFU with putting them forth like they are valid.

Talk to any middle school kid or middle school teacher in fcps.

They will confirm that many if not most of the middle school girls are going by any gender but girl.

Not true at all. Are you even a FCPS parent?

Elections are coming up. Seems like more GOP astroturfing.

Absolutely it is true for middle school. Yes, ai am a parent of a fcps middle schooler.

I assume that you are a good parent and probably on the preferred fcps side of this issue.

But if you have a middle school daughter, even one who presents very girly, and even if you are a trans ally, your middle school daughter who you think is a girl is very likely identifying as a boy at school without you having a clue. Based on what my kid and the neighborhood kids And teacher friend say, the odds could be as high as 50/50.

lol. I teach middle school. We are talking about 1-2 kids on my roster of 170. I have a 50/50 split of m/f students, but only 1-2% identifying as trans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are fcps sending out emails to the kids via schoology stolrongly encouraging them to walk out.

Mount Vernon high school is one of the schools where a teacher sent an emphatic letter essentially telling the kids they needed to participate in the walk out and that news media would be at their school.

This email was sent through official fcps channels, essentially pressuring the kids to participate in a political protest, endorsed strongly by the Mount Vernon teacher, with no considerwtion for students who might not want to participate.

This is wrong.

Let's see this email, please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If parents want to know everything about their kids, why don’t they talk to them? The kids keeping a secret like this clearly don’t feel safe to talk to their parents. Instead of using the force of the state to know about their kids, they should try parenting.

This!! The kids that can't tell their parents stuff have crappy-ass parents who have made it clear that there is a "right" way to be and they better not step out of gender norms.

Most of the girls in my kids class who are identifying as boys without telling their parents have very liberal parents who say the exact same thing that you just posted.

There are close to 50 to 60 percent of the girls in my kids fcps middle school who are claiming a different gender. Most of their parents are very blue, very kind and involved parents and have zero clue that this is going on.

The kids hiding this from their parents has nothing to do with having "crappy ass parents"

The hiding stuff from parents is normal, mainstream, developmentally appropriate teen behavior that has nothing to do with the quality of a trans kids parents.

The problem is that for some reason, on this particular issue, activists have cowed schools and parents and brainwashed students into believing that parents should be cut off from their kids by schools as a best practice. This is simply wrong, particularly on such an emotionally charged and potentially dangerous to the kids well being mental health issue.

These "statistics" are purely fabricated. Name it, cite it, or STFU with putting them forth like they are valid.

Talk to any middle school kid or middle school teacher in fcps.

They will confirm that many if not most of the middle school girls are going by any gender but girl.

Not true at all. Are you even a FCPS parent?

Elections are coming up. Seems like more GOP astroturfing.

Absolutely it is true for middle school. Yes, ai am a parent of a fcps middle schooler.

I assume that you are a good parent and probably on the preferred fcps side of this issue.

But if you have a middle school daughter, even one who presents very girly, and even if you are a trans ally, your middle school daughter who you think is a girl is very likely identifying as a boy at school without you having a clue. Based on what my kid and the neighborhood kids And teacher friend say, the odds could be as high as 50/50.

Omg get a grip

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And really, the old policy was not about hiding from parents. If you have read it and work in education you can see that it’s about protecting kids from parents who would kick them out of the house, beat them, etc. if they found out their kid was LGBTQ+. As a teacher I have had parents do awful things to their kids and as a Christian I know people who have told their kids they can’t live at home it they are gay. It’s about having a safe space and working with the students towards a place where they can eventually share this information with their parents but without being homeless or beaten.

Yes that’s what teachers are mandated reporters. We already have a law that covers that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And really, the old policy was not about hiding from parents. If you have read it and work in education you can see that it’s about protecting kids from parents who would kick them out of the house, beat them, etc. if they found out their kid was LGBTQ+. As a teacher I have had parents do awful things to their kids and as a Christian I know people who have told their kids they can’t live at home it they are gay. It’s about having a safe space and working with the students towards a place where they can eventually share this information with their parents but without being homeless or beaten.

But this policy isn't about LGBTQ+ and outing all gay kids to their parents. The question is really where a transgender student's rights begin and a parent's rights end. It's not an easy answer, but coming at it from the alarmist perspective that parents are assumed to be abusers until proven otherwise isn't helpful. That's where I think a lot of parents, including me, have an issue with the direction some of the policies are going, like the recent trainings we all saw from FCPS. I don't think schools should act as a last line of defense to protect kids from the parents. If it's okay for that to be true with exploring gender identity, then what else is okay? What happens if a Muslim girl walks into the school wearing a hijab and the teacher provides a place for the student to remove and store the hijab during the day? There's a difference between supporting a student exploring religion or gender identity vs. providing them assistance to do something their parents don't know about.

This

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And really, the old policy was not about hiding from parents. If you have read it and work in education you can see that it’s about protecting kids from parents who would kick them out of the house, beat them, etc. if they found out their kid was LGBTQ+. As a teacher I have had parents do awful things to their kids and as a Christian I know people who have told their kids they can’t live at home it they are gay. It’s about having a safe space and working with the students towards a place where they can eventually share this information with their parents but without being homeless or beaten.

Yes that’s what teachers are mandated reporters. We already have a law that covers that.

Covers emotional abuse? No you don’t.

Physical abuse? Only if you are told.

Kicked out? How would you even know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If parents want to know everything about their kids, why don’t they talk to them? The kids keeping a secret like this clearly don’t feel safe to talk to their parents. Instead of using the force of the state to know about their kids, they should try parenting.

This!! The kids that can't tell their parents stuff have crappy-ass parents who have made it clear that there is a "right" way to be and they better not step out of gender norms.

Most of the girls in my kids class who are identifying as boys without telling their parents have very liberal parents who say the exact same thing that you just posted.

There are close to 50 to 60 percent of the girls in my kids fcps middle school who are claiming a different gender. Most of their parents are very blue, very kind and involved parents and have zero clue that this is going on.

The kids hiding this from their parents has nothing to do with having "crappy ass parents"

The hiding stuff from parents is normal, mainstream, developmentally appropriate teen behavior that has nothing to do with the quality of a trans kids parents.

The problem is that for some reason, on this particular issue, activists have cowed schools and parents and brainwashed students into believing that parents should be cut off from their kids by schools as a best practice. This is simply wrong, particularly on such an emotionally charged and potentially dangerous to the kids well being mental health issue.

These "statistics" are purely fabricated. Name it, cite it, or STFU with putting them forth like they are valid.

Talk to any middle school kid or middle school teacher in fcps.

They will confirm that many if not most of the middle school girls are going by any gender but girl.

Not true at all. Are you even a FCPS parent?

Elections are coming up. Seems like more GOP astroturfing.

Absolutely it is true for middle school. Yes, ai am a parent of a fcps middle schooler.

I assume that you are a good parent and probably on the preferred fcps side of this issue.

But if you have a middle school daughter, even one who presents very girly, and even if you are a trans ally, your middle school daughter who you think is a girl is very likely identifying as a boy at school without you having a clue. Based on what my kid and the neighborhood kids And teacher friend say, the odds could be as high as 50/50.

Even if this is true, I am still okay with it and with FCPS's approach. Let's say one of my kids (I have a tween boy and tween girl) decides on a whim or as part of a fad or whatever else you are telling me is happening, that they identify as the opposite gender and this goes on at school and I am not informed. Okay. What am I goin to do if I have this information anyway? If it is a fad, they will get over it and no harm done. If it is real and they are not ready to tell me, I respect that. I'd be sad, because I think I am close to both kids and I'd like to think they'd be comfortable telling me this, but if they are no, they are not. Now if my kid is going through some sort of mental health crisis, I am 100% sure that there are other signs I am seeing at home. Other than that, I don't need school to tell me my DD wants to go by Tommy and use he/him/his pronouns. Because here is the thing: There are trans kids who will not be welcomed with loving arms at home and I don't want that kid to go through that just so I can be sure the school keeps me up to date on my kids pronoun use at school. Also, if one of my kids tells me they want to go by a different name and pronouns and I write a note, I don't want the teacher to be able to object based on personal beliefs. Which is it--leave this stuff to the parents or not?

Honestly, I am asking--if your kid turns out to be trans (not just PP, anyone reading this), do you really not want the teacher calling them by their preferred name and pronouns?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And really, the old policy was not about hiding from parents. If you have read it and work in education you can see that it’s about protecting kids from parents who would kick them out of the house, beat them, etc. if they found out their kid was LGBTQ+. As a teacher I have had parents do awful things to their kids and as a Christian I know people who have told their kids they can’t live at home it they are gay. It’s about having a safe space and working with the students towards a place where they can eventually share this information with their parents but without being homeless or beaten.

But this policy isn't about LGBTQ+ and outing all gay kids to their parents. The question is really where a transgender student's rights begin and a parent's rights end. It's not an easy answer, but coming at it from the alarmist perspective that parents are assumed to be abusers until proven otherwise isn't helpful. That's where I think a lot of parents, including me, have an issue with the direction some of the policies are going, like the recent trainings we all saw from FCPS. I don't think schools should act as a last line of defense to protect kids from the parents. If it's okay for that to be true with exploring gender identity, then what else is okay? What happens if a Muslim girl walks into the school wearing a hijab and the teacher provides a place for the student to remove and store the hijab during the day? There's a difference between supporting a student exploring religion or gender identity vs. providing them assistance to do something their parents don't know about.

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Um, I am pretty sure if a Muslin girl walks into any school, FCPS or otherwise and takes off her hijab and puts it in her backpack, the teacher is not going to do anything about that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are fcps sending out emails to the kids via schoology stolrongly encouraging them to walk out.

Mount Vernon high school is one of the schools where a teacher sent an emphatic letter essentially telling the kids they needed to participate in the walk out and that news media would be at their school.

This email was sent through official fcps channels, essentially pressuring the kids to participate in a political protest, endorsed strongly by the Mount Vernon teacher, with no considerwtion for students who might not want to participate.

This is wrong.

Show us the email or it definitely did not happen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Kids shouldn’t be “experimenting” with gender identity at school and teachers shouldn’t be encouraging it. School is for academics. Let’s keep the focus where it needs to be.

Teachers aren't "encouraging" anything related to gender identity other than respect for all.

A teacher willingly calling a child by the name that child states is preferred is not encouraging exploration of gender identity; it is respect.

-- If William goes by "Quinn" because he happens to be William V and "Quinn" is close to "quint," meaning "five," the teacher should call him "Quinn," and should not ask why he goes by Quinn.

-- If Hye Min goes by "Kristin" because she is embarrassed that her given name, in English, sounds similar to a part of anatomy, the teacher should call her "Kristin," and should not ask why she chooses to be called Kristin.

-- If Carson wants to go by their middle name-- Lee-- at school because there are two other Carsons in class, the teacher should call that student "Lee" and should not ask why "Lee" is the preferred name.

-- If Quoc asks to be called "Joey" because he worries that his legal name, in English, sounds like a vulgar word for anatomy, the teacher should call him "Joey."

-- If Juan wants to go by "Jan" at school, the teacher should call them "Jan."

-- If Leslie wants to be called "Les," the teacher should use the name "Les" when referring to that child.

-- If Alexander and Alexandra both go by "Alex," the teacher should call them both "Alex."

-- If Richard goes by "Skip," the teacher should call him "Skip."

I cannot imagine that there is any teacher out there stating "Let's explore our gender identity" in class, nor can I imagine that any teacher is asking students to explain why they use a nickname or alternative name. Instead, most (if not all) teachers ask students on the first day, "Please correct me if I am mispronouncing your name or if you go by something other than the name on my official roster." What could possibly be wrong with that? That is respectful. It is not political, nor is it taking power away from parents.

Secondary teachers have 130-200 students each, and it is likely that close to half of those children use a nickname or alternative name (For example,, many students from East Asia or Southeast Asia choose to use an "American" name at school.) It is not feasible to go check the file of every student who asks to be called a different name to see if the parents approve of that name choice.

Actually, at leaston one fcps high school teacher is encouraging and pressuring students to embrace this issue and participate in a protest during school hours.

Great. Civic engagement is important.

The GOP should realize that they are incentivizing a whole new batch of voters to GOTV.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Youngkin was my first republican vote ever. Love that guy. Parents should know what’s going on in schools. It’s just common sense. The more democrats try to deny common sense, the more people like me say “bye”.

I doubt that, unless that was the first you’d ever voted at all.

I know that it’s hard for you to believe but this is actually happening. I am Muslim. I didn’t vote for Youngkin but i know that the majority of the ppl at my local mosque did. The fear is that democrats will take away their rights to raise their kids as they see fit. This is the same with the Hispanic community. Also support for trans rights in these communities decreases with income, although support is pretty low in general.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If parents want to know everything about their kids, why don’t they talk to them? The kids keeping a secret like this clearly don’t feel safe to talk to their parents. Instead of using the force of the state to know about their kids, they should try parenting.

This!! The kids that can't tell their parents stuff have crappy-ass parents who have made it clear that there is a "right" way to be and they better not step out of gender norms.

Most of the girls in my kids class who are identifying as boys without telling their parents have very liberal parents who say the exact same thing that you just posted.

There are close to 50 to 60 percent of the girls in my kids fcps middle school who are claiming a different gender. Most of their parents are very blue, very kind and involved parents and have zero clue that this is going on.

The kids hiding this from their parents has nothing to do with having "crappy ass parents"

The hiding stuff from parents is normal, mainstream, developmentally appropriate teen behavior that has nothing to do with the quality of a trans kids parents.

The problem is that for some reason, on this particular issue, activists have cowed schools and parents and brainwashed students into believing that parents should be cut off from their kids by schools as a best practice. This is simply wrong, particularly on such an emotionally charged and potentially dangerous to the kids well being mental health issue.

These "statistics" are purely fabricated. Name it, cite it, or STFU with putting them forth like they are valid.

Talk to any middle school kid or middle school teacher in fcps.

They will confirm that many if not most of the middle school girls are going by any gender but girl.

Absolutely wrong, from a FCPS middle school teacher and parent of a child at a different FCPS middle school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Youngkin was my first republican vote ever. Love that guy. Parents should know what’s going on in schools. It’s just common sense. The more democrats try to deny common sense, the more people like me say “bye”.

I doubt that, unless that was the first you’d ever voted at all.

I know that it’s hard for you to believe but this is actually happening. I am Muslim. I didn’t vote for Youngkin but i know that the majority of the ppl at my local mosque did. The fear is that democrats will take away their rights to raise their kids as they see fit. This is the same with the Hispanic community. Also support for trans rights in these communities decreases with income, although support is pretty low in general.

They are responding to fear-mongering and distortions. It's sad.