Barnard is Barnard, not Columbia!!!

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Anonymous wrote:But Barnard is Columbia.

No dog in this fight but the Barnard folks seem to have the facts on their side. The Columbia boosters just don't like it. I sure hope the Columbia people have some tie to Columbia. Otherwise, this may be the most pathetic thread ever.

You are making zero sense. Columbia "boosters"? Where? And you "hope the Columbia people have some tie to Columbia"? That literally makes no sense. Like, re-read that sentence. In any case, why would that make this thread pathetic?

And no, the facts are not on Barnard's side. Columbia literally says that it has three undergraduate divisions right on its website, and does not list Barnard as one. They are separate institutions with separate acceptance and admissions criteria, as well as separate graduation requirements and criteria, so it is 100% dishonest to claim that you were "accepted" to or "graduated" from Columbia if you are a Barnard student.

It’s more complicated than you’re making out to be. Barnard and Columbia have a unique partnership. They share virtually all facilities. Barnard women play with Columbia women in athletic teams. Barnard students can register for a wide range of Columbia courses. They can even pursue Crain majors at Columbia.

But the bottom line is this:

The diploma that a Barnard College graduate receives is signed by BOTH the president of Barnard AND the the provost of Columbia University, indicating that the degree is awarded jointly by both institutions.

The Barnard administration advises its students to tell those ho ask that they are “graduates of Barnard College of Columbia University.”

The partnership between these 2 institutions is unique so no one can try to fit it into a box that is like other universities. It doesn’t work. Regardless, the fact is that Barnard falls under the umbrella of Columbia University but the partnership has allowed them to remain independent in certain ways so that it can maintain its identity as a women’s college and set priorities for its students in a way that revignizes their needs and aspirations as women.

https://barnard.edu/boldly-barnard/columbia-university

It's like Emory and Notre Dame. It's not that unique.

What's like Emory and Notre Dame??

https://www.oxford.emory.edu for the Emory part. St Mary's and Notre Dame are different because the two have some agreements, but St. Marys is not actually part of Notre Dame

Oxford is a subnet of emory.edu.

Barnard has it's own website, barnard.edu
Stop the shame.

Great reference ... On the website, it shows this throughout - BARNARD COLLEGE . COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY - including the college logo

What a Shame

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Do people really think a random Columbia BA is a lottery ticket? Because it’s not. I wouldn’t worry about some weird Barnard girl — and they’re all weird — waltzing in and cleaning up six-figure job offers. Who cares what they claim or what they write on LinkedIn.

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Anonymous wrote:What do Bardard alums and students put on their resume and LinkedIn?

Some say Barnard, some say Columbia. It’s a personal preference.

Anyone who puts down Columbia is being dishonest, and employers know this.

There is no such degree-granting institution as Barnard College. Upon graduation, Barnard students are granted their BA Degree by Columbia University of the City of New York (degree granting institution), as the graduates of all graduate and professional schools and undergraduate colleges comprising the university. For job applications, HR employment verification, official resume, etc. the only accurate statement for Barnard's grads is to use {BA, Columbia University}; they can opt to add Barnard College (e.g., BA, Columbia University, Barnard College) to take advantage of the auxiliary benefits, such as the Seven Sisters alumni network. Upon graduation, graduates of the Barnard College are also inducted into the Columbia University Alumni Association, in compliance with the University's Statutes.

Are you a Barnard parent? Just stop.

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Anonymous wrote:What do Bardard alums and students put on their resume and LinkedIn?

Some say Barnard, some say Columbia. It’s a personal preference.

Anyone who puts down Columbia is being dishonest, and employers know this.

Columbia grads are revered the world over. The 2nd Best College in the land. Better than Stanford. Better than Columbia. And in the greatest city on earth.

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Anonymous wrote:What do Bardard alums and students put on their resume and LinkedIn?

Some say Barnard, some say Columbia. It’s a personal preference.

Anyone who puts down Columbia is being dishonest, and employers know this.

Columbia grads are revered the world over. The 2nd Best College in the land. Better than Stanford. Better than Columbia. And in the greatest city on earth.

No one other than US News thinks Columbia is better than Stanford.

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Anonymous wrote:What do Bardard alums and students put on their resume and LinkedIn?

Some say Barnard, some say Columbia. It’s a personal preference.

Anyone who puts down Columbia is being dishonest, and employers know this.

There is no such degree-granting institution as Barnard College. Upon graduation, Barnard students are granted their BA Degree by Columbia University of the City of New York (degree granting institution), as the graduates of all graduate and professional schools and undergraduate colleges comprising the university. For job applications, HR employment verification, official resume, etc. the only accurate statement for Barnard's grads is to use {BA, Columbia University}; they can opt to add Barnard College (e.g., BA, Columbia University, Barnard College) to take advantage of the auxiliary benefits, such as the Seven Sisters alumni network. Upon graduation, graduates of the Barnard College are also inducted into the Columbia University Alumni Association, in compliance with the University's Statutes.

Are you a Barnard parent? Just stop.

No. Yo stop.

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Anonymous wrote:What do Bardard alums and students put on their resume and LinkedIn?

Some say Barnard, some say Columbia. It’s a personal preference.

Anyone who puts down Columbia is being dishonest, and employers know this.

Columbia grads are revered the world over. The 2nd Best College in the land. Better than Stanford. Better than Columbia. And in the greatest city on earth.

No one other than US News thinks Columbia is better than Stanford.

Barnard = Columbia > Stanford (Albeit per US News but they are the gospel. right?)

Ludicrous?

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Anonymous wrote:What do Bardard alums and students put on their resume and LinkedIn?

Some say Barnard, some say Columbia. It’s a personal preference.

Anyone who puts down Columbia is being dishonest, and employers know this.

Columbia grads are revered the world over. The 2nd Best College in the land. Better than Stanford. Better than Columbia. And in the greatest city on earth.

No one other than US News thinks Columbia is better than Stanford.

Stanford has a traction in DMV. No one in California holds in in awe. It's an outstanding school.

People in California aren't surprised it's #6.

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Anonymous wrote:What do Bardard alums and students put on their resume and LinkedIn?

Some say Barnard, some say Columbia. It’s a personal preference.

Anyone who puts down Columbia is being dishonest, and employers know this.

Columbia grads are revered the world over. The 2nd Best College in the land. Better than Stanford. Better than Columbia. And in the greatest city on earth.

No one other than US News thinks Columbia is better than Stanford.

Especially now with the manipulation of data Columbia has been employing. USNWR graduate school rankings just came out. It seems Columbia jumped there as well. Pure nonsense!

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Anonymous wrote:What do Bardard alums and students put on their resume and LinkedIn?

Some say Barnard, some say Columbia. It’s a personal preference.

Anyone who puts down Columbia is being dishonest, and employers know this.

Columbia grads are revered the world over. The 2nd Best College in the land. Better than Stanford. Better than Columbia. And in the greatest city on earth.

No one other than US News thinks Columbia is better than Stanford.

Stanford has a traction in DMV. No one in California holds in in awe. It's an outstanding school.

People in California aren't surprised it's #6.

Yeah, sure!

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Anonymous wrote:What do Bardard alums and students put on their resume and LinkedIn?

Some say Barnard, some say Columbia. It’s a personal preference.

Anyone who puts down Columbia is being dishonest, and employers know this.

Columbia grads are revered the world over. The 2nd Best College in the land. Better than Stanford. Better than Columbia. And in the greatest city on earth.

No one other than US News thinks Columbia is better than Stanford.

Barnard = Columbia > Stanford (Albeit per US News but they are the gospel. right?)

Ludicrous?

Barnard being equal to Columbia is equally ludicrous that Columbia is better or more prestigious than Stanford. If Stanford manipulated the ranking systems as well as Columbia and Chicago it would be a clear #1! Columbia and Chicago must not be allowed to benefit from their virtuoso gaming of the systems.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia says it has 3 undergraduate schools.

Barnard said Columbia has 4 undergraduate schools.

- from their websites.

Funny how Columbia does that. But when it comes to reporting admissions data, they leave out SGS. Seems like
Columbia includes colleges or leaves them out based on what is convenient for them. We know they lie blatantly, so why use them as a source for anything.

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Anonymous wrote:It is a bit of a back door situation, isn’t it? They should just purchase another campus and sever formal ties to the university. After all, Barnardians proudly proclaim that they wanted to attend Barnard, not Columbia!

And yea, everyone finds the intentional obfuscation of the Barnard name on the part of Barnard students/grads shady. Just say Barnard.

Who are they tricking exactly? Do Barnard girls have access to all the same pre-professional student orgs, networking events, and career portal & resume drops as Columbia students? I assume they do. So if they are given access to all of that, it's not really tricking anyone. You either have an impressive resume, interview well, and look cute/polished or you don't. It's not like any decent firm just randomly hires any alleged Ivy League senior and throws a $100k job offer at them.

Once upon a time the 7 Sister Schools were partnered with the Ivy all boys schools. Radcliffe was Harvard's girl's school for example. Radcliffe disappeared because it conjoined financially with Harvard. Barnard does not want to end up like that.
Barnard runs its own finances and remains separate from Columbia College on that level. It's enrollment application is also separate. Barnard has its own campus too. Its requirements for graduation are different from Columbia College. It's administration and faculty are strictly Barnard hires. Columbia has its own seperate administration and department chairs. Barnard has its own alumni magazine, separate from Columbia's.
Barnard's career office is also separate from Columbia's. It's health services are also separate. Its freshmen dorms are strictly Barnard girls. One may apply out into mixed dorms after Freshman year but that's unusual and an effort.
So while students can criss-cross the campuses for classes, Barnard has its own different set of core requirements as well as financial budget.
It is NOT Columbia College.
It is NOT Columbia Engineering.
And likewise, those schools are NOT Barnard.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do Bardard alums and students put on their resume and LinkedIn?

Some say Barnard, some say Columbia. It’s a personal preference.

Anyone who puts down Columbia is being dishonest, and employers know this.

There is no such degree-granting institution as Barnard College. Upon graduation, Barnard students are granted their BA Degree by Columbia University of the City of New York (degree granting institution), as the graduates of all graduate and professional schools and undergraduate colleges comprising the university. For job applications, HR employment verification, official resume, etc. the only accurate statement for Barnard's grads is to use {BA, Columbia University}; they can opt to add Barnard College (e.g., BA, Columbia University, Barnard College) to take advantage of the auxiliary benefits, such as the Seven Sisters alumni network. Upon graduation, graduates of the Barnard College are also inducted into the Columbia University Alumni Association, in compliance with the University's Statutes.

Are you a Barnard parent? Just stop.

Let's face it, when someone says Columbia, the connotation is Columbia College.
People who attend the other schools will specify that school - SIPA, Columbia Engineering, Columbia Architecture, Columbia Law, Columbia Business, etc...
Most women who finished Barnard will say Barnard when asked where she attended college.

For one's resume, one would state Columbia Law or Columbia Architecture, NOT simply state that they attended Columbia University.
Anyone who states simply "Columbia University" on his/her resume runs the great risk of sounding like a GSAS student - School of General Studies. Basically, a money mill for the school that doesn't require much to get in and not much in the way of requirements. I think Harvard has a similar program called the "Extension School".
So I wouldn't put just Columbia University on my resume, I'd get specific.

And no, Barnard graduates don't get notifications about the CU Alumni Association. Believe, I know. I went to Barnard undergrad and Columbia for grad. There's a different pipeline for alumni news and events.

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Anonymous wrote:It is a bit of a back door situation, isn’t it? They should just purchase another campus and sever formal ties to the university. After all, Barnardians proudly proclaim that they wanted to attend Barnard, not Columbia!

And yea, everyone finds the intentional obfuscation of the Barnard name on the part of Barnard students/grads shady. Just say Barnard.

Who are they tricking exactly? Do Barnard girls have access to all the same pre-professional student orgs, networking events, and career portal & resume drops as Columbia students? I assume they do. So if they are given access to all of that, it's not really tricking anyone. You either have an impressive resume, interview well, and look cute/polished or you don't. It's not like any decent firm just randomly hires any alleged Ivy League senior and throws a $100k job offer at them.

Once upon a time the 7 Sister Schools were partnered with the Ivy all boys schools. Radcliffe was Harvard's girl's school for example. Radcliffe disappeared because it conjoined financially with Harvard. Barnard does not want to end up like that.
Barnard runs its own finances and remains separate from Columbia College on that level. It's enrollment application is also separate. Barnard has its own campus too. Its requirements for graduation are different from Columbia College. It's administration and faculty are strictly Barnard hires. Columbia has its own seperate administration and department chairs. Barnard has its own alumni magazine, separate from Columbia's.
Barnard's career office is also separate from Columbia's. It's health services are also separate. Its freshmen dorms are strictly Barnard girls. One may apply out into mixed dorms after Freshman year but that's unusual and an effort.
So while students can criss-cross the campuses for classes, Barnard has its own different set of core requirements as well as financial budget.
It is NOT Columbia College.
It is NOT Columbia Engineering.
And likewise, those schools are NOT Barnard.

Nobody cares.