Barnard is Barnard, not Columbia!!!

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This entire thread is one of the reasons my DD took Barnard off of her list. She wanted a women's college but did not want people to think she was inferior or backdooring her way into some other school.

I addition, for her major, she would have had to take several classes at Columbia, which she had no interest in.

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For industries where educational pedigree matters, if a Barnard grad tries to hawk their degree as a Columbia degree, it's an automatic ding. That's academic/professional dishonesty, and employers/admissions committees know this.

The PPs saying that Barnard grads can write "Columbia" on their resume or LinkedIn without any specification that they actually went to Barnard is giving terrible advice.

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Anonymous wrote:The University Bylaws - charters and statutes - answer the questions so hotly debated in this forum. Obviously, folks will still interpret and bend these pretty clear statements to favor their preferred view of Barnard and Columbia. But at least there won't be any misstatements of facts... Relevant info is on page 92. Enjoy and congratulations to the Barnard'26 admit.
https://secretary.columbia.edu/files/secretary/university_charters_and_statutes/University%20Charters%20and%20Statutes_June%202013.pdf

Yaap, can't argue with bylaws - it is clearly Barnard@Columbia.

“The degree of bachelor of arts conferred upon the graduates of Barnard College shall be maintained at all times as a degree of equal value with the degree of bachelor of arts conferred upon the graduates of Columbia College.”

Equal value just means the degrees are of equal value. They are all college graduates with bachelors degrees and one degree is not of higher value than another. Take it literally. There’s a reason why it’s on page 92. Barnard is not the same as in bot interchangeable with cc or seas.

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Barnard is Columbia! Stop with this nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:Barnard is Columbia! Stop with this nonsense.

In the same way that Harvard Extension School is Harvard or Oxford Brookes is Oxford.

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Hey I'm taking some Harvard free online classes.
Can I say I go to Harvard?

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Anonymous wrote:Hey I'm taking some Harvard free online classes.
Can I say I go to Harvard?

If the US government had a dollar for every instance of a person boasting Harvard credentials (without actually having a degree from there), the national debt could be paid off this year.

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Anonymous wrote:The most damning evidence is that Columbia itself says that it has three undergraduate divisions (the College, Engineering, and GSAS).

But, See, https://www.columbia.edu/content/academics/schools. Columbia lists all their "Schools" and among those listed is the aforementioned Barnard College of Columbia University.

Long story short, it is like Oxford has 30 colleges, Columbia can have many colleges. The most prestigious is certainly Columbia College but there are others. Incidentally, Barnard's acceptance rate is well into the single digits--closing in on 8 percent--lower than Cornell and pretty close to UPenn. The degree says Columbia University, Barnard College. There are some compelling arguments that it is part of Columbia University and hence having some affiliation with the Ivy League.

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Anonymous wrote:What do Bardard alums and students put on their resume and LinkedIn?

Some say Barnard, some say Columbia. It’s a personal preference.

Anyone who puts down Columbia is being dishonest, and employers know this.

Actually no, my daughter had an interview with a top tier investment bank and attends Barnard. The interviewer kept saying so how do you like Columbia, etc. Barnard career services says to say Barnard College Columbia University or Barnard College of Columbia University (exactly what the gate says in front of Barnard).

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Anonymous wrote:What do Bardard alums and students put on their resume and LinkedIn?

Some say Barnard, some say Columbia. It’s a personal preference.

Anyone who puts down Columbia is being dishonest, and employers know this.

Columbia grads are revered the world over. The 2nd Best College in the land. Better than Stanford. Better than Columbia. And in the greatest city on earth.

No one other than US News thinks Columbia is better than Stanford.

Stanford has a traction in DMV. No one in California holds in in awe. It's an outstanding school.

People in California aren't surprised it's #6.

Like actually true. I spoke to a Dean at a UC when my daughter was at Pomona and he was like your kid goes to the best school in the state. I said you mean after Stanford, right? He was like no, Pomona is the best school in the state.

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Barnard has an 8 percent acceptance rate for the Class of 2026.

https://barnard.edu/news/barnard-colleges-class-2026-most-diverse-selective-ever-admitted

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Anonymous wrote:What do Bardard alums and students put on their resume and LinkedIn?

Some say Barnard, some say Columbia. It’s a personal preference.

Anyone who puts down Columbia is being dishonest, and employers know this.

There is no such degree-granting institution as Barnard College. Upon graduation, Barnard students are granted their BA Degree by Columbia University of the City of New York (degree granting institution), as the graduates of all graduate and professional schools and undergraduate colleges comprising the university. For job applications, HR employment verification, official resume, etc. the only accurate statement for Barnard's grads is to use {BA, Columbia University}; they can opt to add Barnard College (e.g., BA, Columbia University, Barnard College) to take advantage of the auxiliary benefits, such as the Seven Sisters alumni network. Upon graduation, graduates of the Barnard College are also inducted into the Columbia University Alumni Association, in compliance with the University's Statutes.

Are you a Barnard parent? Just stop.

Let's face it, when someone says Columbia, the connotation is Columbia College.
People who attend the other schools will specify that school - SIPA, Columbia Engineering, Columbia Architecture, Columbia Law, Columbia Business, etc...
Most women who finished Barnard will say Barnard when asked where she attended college.

For one's resume, one would state Columbia Law or Columbia Architecture, NOT simply state that they attended Columbia University.
Anyone who states simply "Columbia University" on his/her resume runs the great risk of sounding like a GSAS student - School of General Studies. Basically, a money mill for the school that doesn't require much to get in and not much in the way of requirements. I think Harvard has a similar program called the "Extension School".
So I wouldn't put just Columbia University on my resume, I'd get specific.

And no, Barnard graduates don't get notifications about the CU Alumni Association. Believe, I know. I went to Barnard undergrad and Columbia for grad. There's a different pipeline for alumni news and events.

Is GSAS a backdoor to Columbia? This came up at DD’s school. Just curious.

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Anonymous wrote:The most damning evidence is that Columbia itself says that it has three undergraduate divisions (the College, Engineering, and GSAS).

But, See, https://www.columbia.edu/content/academics/schools. Columbia lists all their "Schools" and among those listed is the aforementioned Barnard College of Columbia University.

Long story short, it is like Oxford has 30 colleges, Columbia can have many colleges. The most prestigious is certainly Columbia College but there are others. Incidentally, Barnard's acceptance rate is well into the single digits--closing in on 8 percent--lower than Cornell and pretty close to UPenn. The degree says Columbia University, Barnard College. There are some compelling arguments that it is part of Columbia University and hence having some affiliation with the Ivy League.

Barnard is far less selective than Columbia. I’ve occasionally encountered women who say their undergraduate degree is from Columbia University and it’s a clear signal that they graduated from Barnard but don’t want to own it.

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Anonymous wrote:The most damning evidence is that Columbia itself says that it has three undergraduate divisions (the College, Engineering, and GSAS).

But, See, https://www.columbia.edu/content/academics/schools. Columbia lists all their "Schools" and among those listed is the aforementioned Barnard College of Columbia University.

Long story short, it is like Oxford has 30 colleges, Columbia can have many colleges. The most prestigious is certainly Columbia College but there are others. Incidentally, Barnard's acceptance rate is well into the single digits--closing in on 8 percent--lower than Cornell and pretty close to UPenn. The degree says Columbia University, Barnard College. There are some compelling arguments that it is part of Columbia University and hence having some affiliation with the Ivy League.

Barnard is far less selective than Columbia. I’ve occasionally encountered women who say their undergraduate degree is from Columbia University and it’s a clear signal that they graduated from Barnard but don’t want to own it.

Right 8 percent is super less selective than 3.8 percent. I am sure UVA is more selective at 20 percent. Anyways, it is an undergraduate degree from Columbia University, just not Columbia College. It is an official undergraduate school of Columbia and gate says outside Barnard College of Columbia University. They have been instructed to put Barnard College, Columbia University on their resume and LinkedIn. No dog in this fight. My kids went to Cornell and Brown and I went University of Texas undergrad, Georgetown Law. My wife went to UPenn. Just have hired a couple of Barnard undergrads at my AM Law 250 law firm (who incidentally went to "real" ivies for law school).

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Anonymous wrote:Hey I'm taking some Harvard free online classes.
Can I say I go to Harvard?

I've seen people do similar. Go to a two week or weekend thing for a summer and then they start wearing Harvard merch and telling people they went to Harvard. Unbelievably cringe. Harvard invites this with all of their scam programs.