If Jesus wasn’t a real historical figure, where did Christian theology come from?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We can verify that Joseph Smith was a real person.

Don’t even need “faith” to believe that.

And he definitely changed history. Mormons are a worldwide religion, despite their weird beliefs. And Mormons tend to be very financially successful and educated.

And poor
Every mormon is not rich. The compulsory tithing is expensive.
Mormon church itself is very wealthy. The congregations are separated in different regions by income

No - they are separated into wards - physical areas like neighborhoods which may or may not reflect different incomes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_(LDS_Church)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We can verify that Joseph Smith was a real person.

Don’t even need “faith” to believe that.

Good point. Smith came along in the 19th century in the US when we have written records and photography. He is definitely real.

Still, many non-mormons think their beliefs are crazy (different layers of heaven, etc) and would never die for them, though many Mormons have died or killed for their faith.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_Massacre

Why would people die for someone else’s beliefs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We can verify that Joseph Smith was a real person.

Don’t even need “faith” to believe that.

Good point. Smith came along in the 19th century in the US when we have written records and photography. He is definitely real.

Still, many non-mormons think their beliefs are crazy (different layers of heaven, etc) and would never die for them, though many Mormons have died or killed for their faith.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_Massacre

Why would people die for someone else’s beliefs?

? Ever hear of the Crusades

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We can verify that Joseph Smith was a real person.

Don’t even need “faith” to believe that.

Good point. Smith came along in the 19th century in the US when we have written records and photography. He is definitely real.

Still, many non-mormons think their beliefs are crazy (different layers of heaven, etc) and would never die for them, though many Mormons have died or killed for their faith.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_Massacre

Why would people die for someone else’s beliefs?

The examples are too numerous to mention. Constantine convinced his troops that a certain god would lead them to victory, but many died just because they were loyal to him.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

While there may well have been a Jesus of Nazareth who made quite a impact in ancient Judea, it always looks like a myth grew up around him, similar to other myths from other times.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Groundhog is here! Can we talk about Horus and the golden penis now? So many parallels to Jesus—oh wait, not so much. Love you, Groundhog!

[Anonymous]

Here’s what Wikipedia has to say about Mithras:

“Mithraism, also known as the Mithraic mysteries, was a Roman mystery religion centered on the god Mithras. Although inspired by Iranian worship of the Zoroastrian divinity (yazata) Mithra, the Roman Mithras is linked to a new and distinctive imagery, with the level of continuity between Persian and Greco-Roman practice debated.[a] The mysteries were popular among the Imperial Roman army from about the 1st to the 4th century ce.[2]”

So, the Mithras cult was after Jesus. But keep trying, Groundhog!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We can verify that Joseph Smith was a real person.

Don’t even need “faith” to believe that.

Good point. Smith came along in the 19th century in the US when we have written records and photography. He is definitely real.

Still, many non-mormons think their beliefs are crazy (different layers of heaven, etc) and would never die for them, though many Mormons have died or killed for their faith.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_Massacre

Why would people die for someone else’s beliefs?

? Ever hear of the Crusades

Weren’t those their own beliefs? They were Christians…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We can verify that Joseph Smith was a real person.

Don’t even need “faith” to believe that.

Good point. Smith came along in the 19th century in the US when we have written records and photography. He is definitely real.

Still, many non-mormons think their beliefs are crazy (different layers of heaven, etc) and would never die for them, though many Mormons have died or killed for their faith.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_Massacre

Why would people die for someone else’s beliefs?

The examples are too numerous to mention. Constantine convinced his troops that a certain god would lead them to victory, but many died just because they were loyal to him.

So they believed in him. And died for him. It wasn’t about his beliefs. _He_ was their belief.

[Anonymous]

Dear Groundhog: Wikipedia disagrees with everything your jpeg says about Mithras.

- Mithras was born from a rock, not a virgin, as shown on many archaeological relics
- archaeologists think Mithras’ birthday wasn’t a rite, rather December 25 was dedicated to the Sun god. The Sun god told Mithras to kill a bull (not necessarily on 12/25) and the bull’s remains are the Mithraic creation story.
- zero, zilch about 12 disciples. There were, though, seven stages initiates could pass through.
- zero, zilch about Mithras’ death and resurrection. (Where does that claim even come from?) Instead, Mithras entered the Sun God’s chariot and they drove to the end of the world.

Fascinating stuff, but let’s give Mithras his due and not distort his story to fit your agenda.

[Anonymous]

Horus is an Egyptian god with a falcon’s head.

From Wikipedia:

Horus was born to the goddess Isis after she retrieved all the dismembered body parts of her murdered husband Osiris, except his penis, which was thrown into the Nile and eaten by a catfish,[12][13] or sometimes depicted as instead by a crab, and according to Plutarch's account used her magic powers to resurrect Osiris and fashion a phallus[14] to conceive her son (older Egyptian accounts have the penis of Osiris surviving).

So many parallels… oh wait, no parallels.

[Anonymous]

Krishna’s father was a prince not a carpenter.

[Anonymous]

This is fun.

Attis led a cult of self-castration. Attis’ birth story involves a father who had male and female organs, so the Olympian gods cut off dad’s male organ and threw it away. From it grew an almond-tree, and when its fruit was ripe, Nana, a daughter of the river-god Sangarius, picked an almond and laid it in her bosom. The almond disappeared, and she became pregnant. Nana abandoned the baby (Attis).[7] The infant was tended by a he-goat. No stars etc….

Who exactly wrote pp’s graphic? Because it’s riddled with misrepresentations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is fun.

Attis led a cult of self-castration. Attis’ birth story involves a father who had male and female organs, so the Olympian gods cut off dad’s male organ and threw it away. From it grew an almond-tree, and when its fruit was ripe, Nana, a daughter of the river-god Sangarius, picked an almond and laid it in her bosom. The almond disappeared, and she became pregnant. Nana abandoned the baby (Attis).[7] The infant was tended by a he-goat. No stars etc….

Who exactly wrote pp’s graphic? Because it’s riddled with misrepresentations.

Attis was a vegetation god so he was gone every winter (not 3 days) and came back every year (not just once) in the spring.