PSAT results came out

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The word “Aptitude” was dropped from the SAT name in 1993 to reflect that it is not an aptitude test.

Uff...so true.

"...What Does “SAT” Stand For?
Today, “SAT” has no meaning as an acronym. The SAT acronym originally stood for “Scholastic Aptitude Test” but as the test evolved the acronym’s meaning was dropped.

In 1997, the main test became known as the “SAT I: Reasoning Test” while the individual subject exams, known as “Achievement Tests”, became the “SAT II: Subject Tests.” The numbers were later eliminated, and the tests became known as the “SAT Reasoning Test” and “SAT Subject Tests”. The name simplified even further to just “SAT” when it was redesigned as an achievement test in 2016, though students will often still encounter all the different name variations...."

I guess people can pick whatever suits them . It can be a test of Aptitude, Reasoning or Achievement. I think "Reasoning" is a bit funny, because you cannot reason out the Algebra that you have not learned.

I feel the "aptitude" label was just fine the way it was. There are different types of aptitude, and there certainly is scholastic aptitude, of which basic language and math skills are fundamental regardless of which area of study a student intends to focus on. A person may not excel at scholastic aptitude but may have other aptitude types that make them successful in life. What colleges/universities are concerned with is the scholastic aptitude of the applicants. Some are also concerned with athletic aptitude, as another example. Refusing to call the "SAT" "scholastic aptitude test" is like refusing to call a tape measure a tape measure because it can't be used to measure temperature.

Then you don’t understand the true meanings of aptitude and achievement
Aptitude particularly has a very specific definition in testing and Ed psych.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have an 11th grader and 9th grader.

My 11th grader had never taken the psat due to covid (and it wasn't offered at his pubic HS in grade 9). Other than announcing the test date, the school didn't send home any prep materials or suggest prepping at all, he didn't give it any thought. So he took it "cold."

My 9th grader took it this year at her private school. On a day before the test, the English teachers spent a little time going over the format of the test and some general test tips.

I have to speculate that my 9th grader will do better on the psat in grade 11, when it counts for National Merit, than the 11th grader just did (and I would think that many 11th graders were in the same boat of never having been exposed to the test before, which probably means raw scores on the whole were lower in grade 11 this year). And I am comparing a high performing public HS with a private, there would obviously be lots of other disparities between other high schools.

There's already evidence that scores were lower for 11th graders nationwide than in the past.

On the other hand, it seems to me that more and more kids are starting to take the SAT for the first time in Aug or Oct of their junior year, after prepping over the summer. So there's a decent number of kids who probably took their first PSAT after having already taken the SAT once, if not twice.

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Anonymous wrote:My MCPS junior can't get on.

My MCPS junior can't get his scores either and it doesn't have to do with the Amazon outage -- at least I don't think so. He tried earlier today and had the same issue. His birthday is also wrong (off a day) similar to some other posters. Has anyone figured out what they need to do to get their scores?

I called the College Board and was told they were looking into it. I got the same response from my LCPS school. I don't know whose mistake it is, but they need to fix it.

The email from College Board saying scores available had some kind of access number to use with instructions, if they weren’t able to access their score through the link. Did your kid try that way? Good luck, hope it gets straightened out.

Did you actually get an email? My son has not gotten anything yet? Site has been down all day from what I hear.

I'm one of the PPs from above. My kid actually didn't get an email. I only heard that scores were available from DCUM and my son heard from his friends. Is there something in the email that you need to use to access the scores?

Nope - if they have a college board account you can access directly from the website.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have an 11th grader and 9th grader.

My 11th grader had never taken the psat due to covid (and it wasn't offered at his pubic HS in grade 9). Other than announcing the test date, the school didn't send home any prep materials or suggest prepping at all, he didn't give it any thought. So he took it "cold."

My 9th grader took it this year at her private school. On a day before the test, the English teachers spent a little time going over the format of the test and some general test tips.

I have to speculate that my 9th grader will do better on the psat in grade 11, when it counts for National Merit, than the 11th grader just did (and I would think that many 11th graders were in the same boat of never having been exposed to the test before, which probably means raw scores on the whole were lower in grade 11 this year). And I am comparing a high performing public HS with a private, there would obviously be lots of other disparities between other high schools.

There's already evidence that scores were lower for 11th graders nationwide than in the past.

On the other hand, it seems to me that more and more kids are starting to take the SAT for the first time in Aug or Oct of their junior year, after prepping over the summer. So there's a decent number of kids who probably took their first PSAT after having already taken the SAT once, if not twice.

Not surprising but where did you read this evidence?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The word “Aptitude” was dropped from the SAT name in 1993 to reflect that it is not an aptitude test.

Uff...so true.

"...What Does “SAT” Stand For?
Today, “SAT” has no meaning as an acronym. The SAT acronym originally stood for “Scholastic Aptitude Test” but as the test evolved the acronym’s meaning was dropped.

In 1997, the main test became known as the “SAT I: Reasoning Test” while the individual subject exams, known as “Achievement Tests”, became the “SAT II: Subject Tests.” The numbers were later eliminated, and the tests became known as the “SAT Reasoning Test” and “SAT Subject Tests”. The name simplified even further to just “SAT” when it was redesigned as an achievement test in 2016, though students will often still encounter all the different name variations...."

I guess people can pick whatever suits them . It can be a test of Aptitude, Reasoning or Achievement. I think "Reasoning" is a bit funny, because you cannot reason out the Algebra that you have not learned.

I feel the "aptitude" label was just fine the way it was. There are different types of aptitude, and there certainly is scholastic aptitude, of which basic language and math skills are fundamental regardless of which area of study a student intends to focus on. A person may not excel at scholastic aptitude but may have other aptitude types that make them successful in life. What colleges/universities are concerned with is the scholastic aptitude of the applicants. Some are also concerned with athletic aptitude, as another example. Refusing to call the "SAT" "scholastic aptitude test" is like refusing to call a tape measure a tape measure because it can't be used to measure temperature.

Then you don’t understand the true meanings of aptitude and achievement
Aptitude particularly has a very specific definition in testing and Ed psych.

I understand the plain English meaning of aptitude and achievement. What definition are you referring to? Care to share a link?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My MCPS junior can't get on.

My MCPS junior can't get his scores either and it doesn't have to do with the Amazon outage -- at least I don't think so. He tried earlier today and had the same issue. His birthday is also wrong (off a day) similar to some other posters. Has anyone figured out what they need to do to get their scores?

I called the College Board and was told they were looking into it. I got the same response from my LCPS school. I don't know whose mistake it is, but they need to fix it.

The email from College Board saying scores available had some kind of access number to use with instructions, if they weren’t able to access their score through the link. Did your kid try that way? Good luck, hope it gets straightened out.

Did you actually get an email? My son has not gotten anything yet? Site has been down all day from what I hear.

I'm one of the PPs from above. My kid actually didn't get an email. I only heard that scores were available from DCUM and my son heard from his friends. Is there something in the email that you need to use to access the scores?

Nope - if they have a college board account you can access directly from the website.

So just sharing what I learned from the college board about my son's account in case it helps anyone else. They said that he never completely filled out some form where he needed to add his email address, home phone number, and home address when he took the test. So his scores were uploaded somewhere but not to his account. They are going to add his scores to his account, but it will take 5-7 days.

I do have to say that I expected to stay on the hold for a while, but someone was able to help me right away. I just wish that they could have given us the scores over the phone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have an 11th grader and 9th grader.

My 11th grader had never taken the psat due to covid (and it wasn't offered at his pubic HS in grade 9). Other than announcing the test date, the school didn't send home any prep materials or suggest prepping at all, he didn't give it any thought. So he took it "cold."

My 9th grader took it this year at her private school. On a day before the test, the English teachers spent a little time going over the format of the test and some general test tips.

I have to speculate that my 9th grader will do better on the psat in grade 11, when it counts for National Merit, than the 11th grader just did (and I would think that many 11th graders were in the same boat of never having been exposed to the test before, which probably means raw scores on the whole were lower in grade 11 this year). And I am comparing a high performing public HS with a private, there would obviously be lots of other disparities between other high schools.

There's already evidence that scores were lower for 11th graders nationwide than in the past.

On the other hand, it seems to me that more and more kids are starting to take the SAT for the first time in Aug or Oct of their junior year, after prepping over the summer. So there's a decent number of kids who probably took their first PSAT after having already taken the SAT once, if not twice.

Not surprising but where did you read this evidence?

Anecdotal, but my son has taken the SAT twice. He took it in 8th grade and then again in 9th grade to apply for admission to a specific high school. He just took the PSAT for the first time in October.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No accommodations and no score here.

+1

[Anonymous]

My kid did pretty poorly - 40 points lower than a summer practice test. Anecdotally his friends did better but not the level I expected.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DS had got one question wrong is writing, so 38 37 38, what is his chance of NMSF in MD

(38+37+38) * 2 = 226

This year the MD NMSF cutoff was 224 which was very high. Normally it is in 221 or 224 range, so your kid is pretty much guaranteed a spot. Now prep for the SAT because you have to also submit a great SAT score for proof.

He took SAT in August, that should be good right? What SAT score is required ?
SAT has to be in junior year?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DS had got one question wrong is writing, so 38 37 38, what is his chance of NMSF in MD

(38+37+38) * 2 = 226

This year the MD NMSF cutoff was 224 which was very high. Normally it is in 221 or 224 range, so your kid is pretty much guaranteed a spot. Now prep for the SAT because you have to also submit a great SAT score for proof.

He took SAT in August, that should be good right? What SAT score is required ?
SAT has to be in junior year?

SAT doesn't have to be in junior year. He'll be fine unless is SAT was substantially lower than PSAT, which I doubt is the case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have an 11th grader and 9th grader.

My 11th grader had never taken the psat due to covid (and it wasn't offered at his pubic HS in grade 9). Other than announcing the test date, the school didn't send home any prep materials or suggest prepping at all, he didn't give it any thought. So he took it "cold."

My 9th grader took it this year at her private school. On a day before the test, the English teachers spent a little time going over the format of the test and some general test tips.

I have to speculate that my 9th grader will do better on the psat in grade 11, when it counts for National Merit, than the 11th grader just did (and I would think that many 11th graders were in the same boat of never having been exposed to the test before, which probably means raw scores on the whole were lower in grade 11 this year). And I am comparing a high performing public HS with a private, there would obviously be lots of other disparities between other high schools.

There's already evidence that scores were lower for 11th graders nationwide than in the past.

On the other hand, it seems to me that more and more kids are starting to take the SAT for the first time in Aug or Oct of their junior year, after prepping over the summer. So there's a decent number of kids who probably took their first PSAT after having already taken the SAT once, if not twice.

Not surprising but where did you read this evidence?

https://www.compassprep.com/national-merit-semifinalist-cutoffs/

Toward the middle of the page it explains: "Only 3% of students scored at or above 1400 this year. That’s the lowest value we’ve seen — tied with an October 2019 PSAT that had an unusually difficult scale. Three things could produce that low of a figure: (1) the October 2021 exam also had a challenging scale or (2) student learning has been impaired during the pandemic and test performance reflects it or (3) a disproportionate number of high scorers were unable (or chose not) to test." He goes on to explain that the likely explanations are 1 or 2 since far more schools offered PSAT this year as compared to last year.

[Anonymous]

Anyone else still have scores pending? Mcps

[Anonymous]

DD got 1390 in Virginia. I know she won't make NMSF, but is it possible she will be commended, or whatever the heck else that comes under NMSF?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone else still have scores pending? Mcps

Yes, in DC