Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot

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Anonymous wrote:lots of articles about college counselors bemoaning the focus on the elite schools and just be happy with “a good fit”, the fact is the highest paying jobs for prestige biglaw and top management consulting firms won’t even consider folks from the non-elite schools.

I can't speak to consulting, but, as far as biglaw goes, this is BS with re: to undergraduate. Law school is the only thing that matters. I know lots of biglaw partners who went to no-name universities in "flyover" country. Some of them didn't even go to t-20 law schools. You have to be at the very top of your class to go to biglaw from a less prestigious law school, but it happens.

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Anonymous wrote:lots of articles about college counselors bemoaning the focus on the elite schools and just be happy with “a good fit”, the fact is the highest paying jobs for prestige biglaw and top management consulting firms won’t even consider folks from the non-elite schools.

This is very true. They camp out at the Ivies along with the finance companies. If you check their career websites you'll see special recruiting portals for the Ivies only.

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Anonymous wrote:The USC engineering programs are very well-respected. More so, in fact, than some of the east coast elite schools you all idolize.

This is also true of some of the state schools. A Georgia Tech engineering student is likely a better hire than a Brown engineering student.

Huge yawn. USC is a clown college with zero social capital. Typical that left coast new money trash see it as the brass ring.

+1. Well put. Ditto some of the other names involved in this scandal, e.g. Northeastern, UCLA, Georgetown. High comedy.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The USC engineering programs are very well-respected. More so, in fact, than some of the east coast elite schools you all idolize.

This is also true of some of the state schools. A Georgia Tech engineering student is likely a better hire than a Brown engineering student.

Huge yawn. USC is a clown college with zero social capital. Typical that left coast new money trash see it as the brass ring.

+1. Well put. Ditto some of the other names involved in this scandal, e.g. Northeastern, UCLA, Georgetown. High comedy.

Keep loving your own posts.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:lots of articles about college counselors bemoaning the focus on the elite schools and just be happy with “a good fit”, the fact is the highest paying jobs for prestige biglaw and top management consulting firms won’t even consider folks from the non-elite schools.

This is very true. They camp out at the Ivies along with the finance companies. If you check their career websites you'll see special recruiting portals for the Ivies only.

In my opinion, when a significant proportion of graduates go into management consulting, that's a bug, not a feature.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is all why real socialism, massive tax hikes, and meaningful changes to inheritance laws happen soon. White privileged behavior in this realm sounds appalling.

FYI, most whites in this country are not rich.

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Anonymous wrote:The mindset expressed in this mother's letter to the Atlantic about her DC's college application experience explains a bit how we get to the college admissions scandal. There is a view that there are only a few highly selective schools that are acceptable, and that acceptance to any one of them is indicative of your worth as a student and a human being. Right now, my DD is applying for internships and she is frustrated at not getting the ones she want and in exasperation she has asked me "don't you think I deserve it?" Yes, she works hard. Yes, she has good grades. Yes, she goes to a "good school." Yet, I have a very hard time telling her "yes, you deserve it and it is not fair that you are not being selected/" I haven't yet figured out how to answer her question.

That being said, the Mom who writes this letter to the Atlantic is a nutcase and she is going to ruin her child for life. Life is not fair! Get over it! You do not have a right to attend an Ivy League or any other school.

https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2019/02/im-worried-my-son-wont-get-good-college/582979/

That letter writer mom and your DD are right. I wondered why my friend’s DD went Ivy, while myDDhad better skill sets, grades, SAT, etc was rejected even by schools like BC and Tufts. I checked 5he donations to Penn and sure enough

I’m PP who posted this. I’m curious why you think the Mom is right. I think she is a twit potentially rearing a resentful entitled jerk. I had a very long talk with DD yesterday and she is in a very happy place right now. She actually used those words. I have let her struggle on her own, providing appropriate support when she asked. She actually said she is very happy. So I am happy. Happiness she does deserve and I think she’s figured out that happiness is internal not external.

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Anonymous wrote:This is all why real socialism, massive tax hikes, and meaningful changes to inheritance laws happen soon. White privileged behavior in this realm sounds appalling.

FYI, most whites in this country are not rich.

Wasn't it just a year or so ago that the people found out a small all black school in Louisiana was heavily falsified grades and even doctoring SAT scores to get their students into top colleges?

The lesson here is that there is substantial corruption, both direct and indirect, in college admissions these days. And it's made worse by that the schools don't seem to care.

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The WSJ reported that the Yale dad Morrie Tobin was not just an informant but did pay off the soccer coach to get his daughter into Yale. They did not say which daughter or how many of them. When will the 700 plus names be released. Mr. Singer knows who they are.

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Anonymous wrote:The WSJ reported that the Yale dad Morrie Tobin was not just an informant but did pay off the soccer coach to get his daughter into Yale. They did not say which daughter or how many of them. When will the 700 plus names be released. Mr. Singer knows who they are.

Would love to see that list...

[Anonymous]

I think the public has a right to see all 700+ names no matter who they are. It seems that the first 50 names were picked. If the 700 names are not revealed the public will feel there is another cheating scandal going on. People with more connections or money keeping their names out of the public eye.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the public has a right to see all 700+ names no matter who they are. It seems that the first 50 names were picked. If the 700 names are not revealed the public will feel there is another cheating scandal going on. People with more connections or money keeping their names out of the public eye.

I don't think you're going to see the 700 names. The ones that were charged were caught in a sting, some of the things they paid for may not have even been within the offerings fo Singer's group before the FBI became involved. Not defending anyone, but it's unlikely they have the goods on past clients.

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I hope something good will come out from this terrible news that colleges will overhaul their admission strategies for the better.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the public has a right to see all 700+ names no matter who they are. It seems that the first 50 names were picked. If the 700 names are not revealed the public will feel there is another cheating scandal going on. People with more connections or money keeping their names out of the public eye.

I don't think you're going to see the 700 names. The ones that were charged were caught in a sting, some of the things they paid for may not have even been within the offerings fo Singer's group before the FBI became involved. Not defending anyone, but it's unlikely they have the goods on past clients.

They will be outed if their tax forms reflect “donations” to Singer’s fake charity.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope something good will come out from this terrible news that colleges will overhaul their admission strategies for the better.

+1 People focus so much ire and attention on affirmative action, and hopefully this draws people's attention that the rich and connected are basically buying admission for their unqualified kids.