Elon Musk buys $3 billion stake (9.2%) in Twitter and is now the platform's largest shareholder

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Anonymous wrote:It's actually not GDPR the EU is threatening Twitter with. It's a new Digital Services Act, which goes way beyond privacy issues, but which the EU hope will have the same reach, so they in fact control key aspects of the internet.

"The warning from Brussels came in a video call between Musk and Thierry Breton, the EU’s commissioner in charge of implementing the bloc’s digital rules, according to people with knowledge of the conversation.

Breton told Musk that Twitter must adhere to a checklist of rules, including ditching an “arbitrary” approach to reinstating banned users, pursuing disinformation “aggressively” and agreeing to an “extensive independent audit” of the platform by next year.

Musk was warned that unless he stuck to those rules Twitter risked infringing the EU’s new Digital Services Act, a new law that sets the global standard for how Big Tech must police content on the internet. Breton reiterated Twitter could face a Europe-wide ban or fines of up to 6 per cent of global turnover if it breached the law."

https://www.ft.com/content/a07ca1ae-9f9a-46ee-9457-27bb30e18ed2

I find that super disturbing because the whole "disinformation" thing is a way to excise undesirable information. I mean who would even decide what disinformation is or isn't? It's censorship.

^ This is how the right wing tries to blur the lines between fact and fiction.

The US Capitol was violently attacked because of disinformation. People were killed because of disinformation. Hundreds of thousands died unnecessarily because of COVID disinformation. School board members received messages threatening to murder them, rape their children and burn their homes down because of CRT disinformation. The US is at its most divisive since the Civil War because of toxic, intentional disinformation.

And, you find it "super disturbing" only because you're made all that toxic disinformation and gaslighting a central part of your strategy.

I, and millions of Americans, are SICK of playing your games. I agree with social media flagging disinformation for what it is. That is not censorship. That is you rightly being called out for your bullshit.

So you are happy to have bureaucrats in Europe decide for you what is disinformation (which you are not allowed to see) and what isn't?

Oooh, “bureaucrats”. So scary!!!

Yes I’m happy to have them get rid of the riot-inciting fake stuff, the racist and antisemitic stuff, the lies that seek to undermine democracy, the porn and the harmful “content,” none of which I want to see. Thanks.

Nice you gloss over the "in Europe" part. They ban books there.

Shocking, innit? 'Cause we'd never ban books here, in the good old US of A.

Example? (That is not about school libraries.)

Uncle Tom's Cabin, The Gapes of Wrath, Lady Chatterly's Lover.... There are of course plenty of books banned at state/library/school district levels, anything from 1984, to To Kill a Mockingbird, Brave New World, and Of Mice and Men

What book banning by members of the EU do you take exception to?

I can go on amazon and purchase any of those books right now. A government not purchasing and distributing a book is not the same as a ban

They were banned in the US at one time. I'm not claiming that they are now, just that historically, we have banned lots of books. You didn't answer which books are banned by which members of the EU you take exception to.

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Anonymous wrote:It's actually not GDPR the EU is threatening Twitter with. It's a new Digital Services Act, which goes way beyond privacy issues, but which the EU hope will have the same reach, so they in fact control key aspects of the internet.

"The warning from Brussels came in a video call between Musk and Thierry Breton, the EU’s commissioner in charge of implementing the bloc’s digital rules, according to people with knowledge of the conversation.

Breton told Musk that Twitter must adhere to a checklist of rules, including ditching an “arbitrary” approach to reinstating banned users, pursuing disinformation “aggressively” and agreeing to an “extensive independent audit” of the platform by next year.

Musk was warned that unless he stuck to those rules Twitter risked infringing the EU’s new Digital Services Act, a new law that sets the global standard for how Big Tech must police content on the internet. Breton reiterated Twitter could face a Europe-wide ban or fines of up to 6 per cent of global turnover if it breached the law."

https://www.ft.com/content/a07ca1ae-9f9a-46ee-9457-27bb30e18ed2

I find that super disturbing because the whole "disinformation" thing is a way to excise undesirable information. I mean who would even decide what disinformation is or isn't? It's censorship.

^ This is how the right wing tries to blur the lines between fact and fiction.

The US Capitol was violently attacked because of disinformation. People were killed because of disinformation. Hundreds of thousands died unnecessarily because of COVID disinformation. School board members received messages threatening to murder them, rape their children and burn their homes down because of CRT disinformation. The US is at its most divisive since the Civil War because of toxic, intentional disinformation.

And, you find it "super disturbing" only because you're made all that toxic disinformation and gaslighting a central part of your strategy.

I, and millions of Americans, are SICK of playing your games. I agree with social media flagging disinformation for what it is. That is not censorship. That is you rightly being called out for your bullshit.

So you are happy to have bureaucrats in Europe decide for you what is disinformation (which you are not allowed to see) and what isn't?

Oooh, “bureaucrats”. So scary!!!

Yes I’m happy to have them get rid of the riot-inciting fake stuff, the racist and antisemitic stuff, the lies that seek to undermine democracy, the porn and the harmful “content,” none of which I want to see. Thanks.

Nice you gloss over the "in Europe" part. They ban books there.

Shocking, innit? 'Cause we'd never ban books here, in the good old US of A.

Example? (That is not about school libraries.)

Uncle Tom's Cabin, The Gapes of Wrath, Lady Chatterly's Lover.... There are of course plenty of books banned at state/library/school district levels, anything from 1984, to To Kill a Mockingbird, Brave New World, and Of Mice and Men

What book banning by members of the EU do you take exception to?

I can go on amazon and purchase any of those books right now. A government not purchasing and distributing a book is not the same as a ban

They were banned in the US at one time. I'm not claiming that they are now, just that historically, we have banned lots of books. You didn't answer which books are banned by which members of the EU you take exception to.

They’ve obviously also avoided the threads about the GOP banning books here in the US right now - at schools, libraries and at privately owned booksellers. The GOP doesn’t want free speech, they want an unfettered ability to be atrocious with no blowback.

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Anonymous wrote:It's actually not GDPR the EU is threatening Twitter with. It's a new Digital Services Act, which goes way beyond privacy issues, but which the EU hope will have the same reach, so they in fact control key aspects of the internet.

"The warning from Brussels came in a video call between Musk and Thierry Breton, the EU’s commissioner in charge of implementing the bloc’s digital rules, according to people with knowledge of the conversation.

Breton told Musk that Twitter must adhere to a checklist of rules, including ditching an “arbitrary” approach to reinstating banned users, pursuing disinformation “aggressively” and agreeing to an “extensive independent audit” of the platform by next year.

Musk was warned that unless he stuck to those rules Twitter risked infringing the EU’s new Digital Services Act, a new law that sets the global standard for how Big Tech must police content on the internet. Breton reiterated Twitter could face a Europe-wide ban or fines of up to 6 per cent of global turnover if it breached the law."

https://www.ft.com/content/a07ca1ae-9f9a-46ee-9457-27bb30e18ed2

I find that super disturbing because the whole "disinformation" thing is a way to excise undesirable information. I mean who would even decide what disinformation is or isn't? It's censorship.

^ This is how the right wing tries to blur the lines between fact and fiction.

The US Capitol was violently attacked because of disinformation. People were killed because of disinformation. Hundreds of thousands died unnecessarily because of COVID disinformation. School board members received messages threatening to murder them, rape their children and burn their homes down because of CRT disinformation. The US is at its most divisive since the Civil War because of toxic, intentional disinformation.

And, you find it "super disturbing" only because you're made all that toxic disinformation and gaslighting a central part of your strategy.

I, and millions of Americans, are SICK of playing your games. I agree with social media flagging disinformation for what it is. That is not censorship. That is you rightly being called out for your bullshit.

Why do you even care? Do you think twitter is a good source of information?

DP twitter is a great place to go looking for information. I regularly check to see why there’s a slowdown on a highway, what those sirens nearby are all about, to get first hand accounts of events as they’re happening. I thought everyone knew that.

Sounds like really important stuff you are looking up! lol

Twitter is actually nice when it comes to watching videos contained in an article, but I just fail to see how moderating hateful and obnoxious people on an app is some kind of major issue. And the poster rambling on about nazis or white supremacy is just out of their mind. There are all sorts of people pushing hateful rhetoric on the net.

You're clueless.

When Hitler rose to power, Germans didn't just shrug it off and say "ah he's out of his mind." Never underestimate how impressionable and gullible the average person is. Never underestimate how much people have normalized atrocious behavior. History has demonstrated this over and over and over again.

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That has nothing to do with bots and trolls, right?

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It's bad enough that Twitter no longer moderates toxic, destructive disinformation.

Now they are actually boosting destructive disinformation.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/climate-sceptic-tweets-surge-after-musks-twitter-takeover-5mtvnwqzb

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I think its horrible Elon is allowing people to just say anything they believe on twitter.

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Anonymous wrote:I think its horrible Elon is allowing people to just say anything they believe on twitter.

So do I.

Because hate speech is not protected speech.

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Anonymous wrote:I think its horrible Elon is allowing people to just say anything they believe on twitter.

Stating beliefs is not the problem. Racist and misogynistic attacks and deliberate lies and frauds and hoaxes are the problems. It’s all the bad faith bullshit. No one cares about your stupid opinions.

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Anonymous wrote:It's actually not GDPR the EU is threatening Twitter with. It's a new Digital Services Act, which goes way beyond privacy issues, but which the EU hope will have the same reach, so they in fact control key aspects of the internet.

"The warning from Brussels came in a video call between Musk and Thierry Breton, the EU’s commissioner in charge of implementing the bloc’s digital rules, according to people with knowledge of the conversation.

Breton told Musk that Twitter must adhere to a checklist of rules, including ditching an “arbitrary” approach to reinstating banned users, pursuing disinformation “aggressively” and agreeing to an “extensive independent audit” of the platform by next year.

Musk was warned that unless he stuck to those rules Twitter risked infringing the EU’s new Digital Services Act, a new law that sets the global standard for how Big Tech must police content on the internet. Breton reiterated Twitter could face a Europe-wide ban or fines of up to 6 per cent of global turnover if it breached the law."

https://www.ft.com/content/a07ca1ae-9f9a-46ee-9457-27bb30e18ed2

I find that super disturbing because the whole "disinformation" thing is a way to excise undesirable information. I mean who would even decide what disinformation is or isn't? It's censorship.

^ This is how the right wing tries to blur the lines between fact and fiction.

The US Capitol was violently attacked because of disinformation. People were killed because of disinformation. Hundreds of thousands died unnecessarily because of COVID disinformation. School board members received messages threatening to murder them, rape their children and burn their homes down because of CRT disinformation. The US is at its most divisive since the Civil War because of toxic, intentional disinformation.

And, you find it "super disturbing" only because you're made all that toxic disinformation and gaslighting a central part of your strategy.

I, and millions of Americans, are SICK of playing your games. I agree with social media flagging disinformation for what it is. That is not censorship. That is you rightly being called out for your bullshit.

Why do you even care? Do you think twitter is a good source of information?

DP twitter is a great place to go looking for information. I regularly check to see why there’s a slowdown on a highway, what those sirens nearby are all about, to get first hand accounts of events as they’re happening. I thought everyone knew that.

Sounds like really important stuff you are looking up! lol

Twitter is actually nice when it comes to watching videos contained in an article, but I just fail to see how moderating hateful and obnoxious people on an app is some kind of major issue. And the poster rambling on about nazis or white supremacy is just out of their mind. There are all sorts of people pushing hateful rhetoric on the net.

You're clueless.

When Hitler rose to power, Germans didn't just shrug it off and say "ah he's out of his mind." Never underestimate how impressionable and gullible the average person is. Never underestimate how much people have normalized atrocious behavior. History has demonstrated this over and over and over again.

Nazi Germany? Are you insane? You need to get out more. You only think this is a problem because the left leaning media told you it's a problem. Do you not realize that people say all sorts of hateful things both online and in real life? It's a free country. Do you not like freedom?

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Speaking as a black person, I think the whole hoopla over a slurs is really stupid and typical white liberal virtue signaling hysteria. No black person is made safer by allowing hateful people to hide. It’s much better for them to be on Twitter posting and being surveilled.

So-called “hate speech“ doesn’t kill anyone. Having some troll drop the N-word for shock value might hurt feelings, but people survive hurt feelings. Anyone who has made it to adulthood as a black person can survive hurt feelings. It’s white people that are fragile and don’t want to see other whites post hateful things lest you have to admit that your relatives are hateful.

In the process of privileging your daintiness, white people are making it harder to surveille the kinds of racists that will one day try to kill a black or Jewish person. You’re driving them into more and more remote corners where they’re talking only to those like them and are able to hatch plans and pull them off without being reported.

In the end, the only people benefiting from censorship of “hate speech” are the hysterical white liberals who make a living from writing and profiteering off black pain.

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That’s basically it. In some quarters of the right, this is the biggest scandal in the history of the republic, because it allegedly proves that Biden used his governmental power (a neat trick for someone who, at the time, controlled no part of the government) to set fire to the Constitution. “If this isn’t a violation of the Constitution’s first amendment, what is,” Musk tweeted.

What this actually proves is two things about Musk. First, he is a constitutional illiterate. The First Amendment enjoins only the government from suppressing speech. During his 2020 campaign, Biden was a private citizen, so he had no means by which to violate the First Amendment at all. It also proves that Musk knows nothing about how politics and journalism work.[b] Throughout history, media, and now social media, have gotten hold of material that might embarrass a campaign. The campaign learns of it, and the campaign pleads its case that the material is merely prurient and that publishing it would be gratuitous and not in the public interest.

https://newrepublic.com/article/169295/gop-hunter-biden-obsession-media

What an idiot. I guess Trump is done and the right need another “hero”. What happen to Tucker? I guess his contract must be up?

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So what?! How are you not able to comprehend that banning people from Twitter doesn’t make them go away? These hateful racists are your neighbors, your friends, your children, your spouses, probably even you trolling behind an anonymous handle. Censoring them on Twitter does nothing but hide them from where they need to be — exposed in plain sight so they leave a trail of evidence and we can find out who they are!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Speaking as a black person, I think the whole hoopla over a slurs is really stupid and typical white liberal virtue signaling hysteria. No black person is made safer by allowing hateful people to hide. It’s much better for them to be on Twitter posting and being surveilled.

So-called “hate speech“ doesn’t kill anyone. Having some troll drop the N-word for shock value might hurt feelings, but people survive hurt feelings. Anyone who has made it to adulthood as a black person can survive hurt feelings. It’s white people that are fragile and don’t want to see other whites post hateful things lest you have to admit that your relatives are hateful.

In the process of privileging your daintiness, white people are making it harder to surveille the kinds of racists that will one day try to kill a black or Jewish person. You’re driving them into more and more remote corners where they’re talking only to those like them and are able to hatch plans and pull them off without being reported.

In the end, the only people benefiting from censorship of “hate speech” are the hysterical white liberals who make a living from writing and profiteering off black pain.

I disagree with this. Twitter and it’s bots provide amplification and normalize hate speech. People prone to mental illness and violence can feel emboldened by this and decide to go the next step. Society rejecting racism isn’t hiding racism. It’s providing a deterrent and consequence for racists.

[Anonymous]

I’m the black person who posted above. I just wrote a whole response only for Jeff to delete it for reasons that make sense only to him. I’m not going to waste my time writing posts that he’s just going to delete, so I’m moving on.