Federal judge rules that admissions changes at nation’s top public school discriminate against Asian

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Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?

The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.

The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.

Makes you think.

That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.

They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.

They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.

It is not exclusive.

It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.

That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.

SO. MUCH. THIS.

If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.

If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.

No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.

More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.

Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.

So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?

Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.

In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.

If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.

In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.

A lot of parents/people spend a lot of money on useless things. What is your point?

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Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?

The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.

The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.

Makes you think.

That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.

They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.

They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.

It is not exclusive.

It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.

That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.

SO. MUCH. THIS.

If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.

If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.

No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.

More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.

Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.

So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?

Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.

In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.

If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.

In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.

The reality is people like you always blame others for your actions.

Or will say just about anything in the hope of returning to a system that was easily gamed.

Not true. The Lazy one still can not game it.

True, but those of us willing to invest $20k in prep over a period of years sure could.

Now, the admission staff can be bribed with $20k.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?

The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.

The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.

Makes you think.

That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.

They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.

They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.

It is not exclusive.

It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.

That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.

SO. MUCH. THIS.

If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.

If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.

No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.

More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.

Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.

So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?

Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.

In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.

If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.

In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.

The reality is people like you always blame others for your actions.

Or will say just about anything in the hope of returning to a system that was easily gamed.

Not true. The Lazy one still can not game it.

True, but those of us willing to invest $20k in prep over a period of years sure could.

Now, the admission staff can be bribed with $20k.

Yeah, school staff now can get some side hustles.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?

The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.

The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.

Makes you think.

That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.

They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.

They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.

It is not exclusive.

It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.

That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.

SO. MUCH. THIS.

If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.

If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.

No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.

More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.

Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.

So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?

Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.

In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.

If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.

In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.

The reality is people like you always blame others for your actions.

Or will say just about anything in the hope of returning to a system that was easily gamed.

Not true. The Lazy one still can not game it.

True, but those of us willing to invest $20k in prep over a period of years sure could.

Now, the admission staff can be bribed with $20k.

Yeah, school staff now can get some side hustles.

Do you have any proof of this or is it just wishful thinking? Before most of the class bought their way in through the prep centers. If there is anything funny going on now (which seems doubtful) at least it's a small percentage compared to the broken system it replaced.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?

The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.

The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.

Makes you think.

That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.

They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.

They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.

It is not exclusive.

It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.

That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.

SO. MUCH. THIS.

If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.

If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.

No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.

More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.

Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.

So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?

Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.

In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.

If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.

In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.

A lot of parents/people spend a lot of money on useless things. What is your point?

Is your argument that the flagship Curie TJ Prep class was useless? The one place where students could get consistent work on problems of the type that they would see on the Quant-Q - which statistics published by the Admissions Office have suggested were absolutely the key separator in the old admissions process?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?

The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.

The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.

Makes you think.

That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.

They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.

They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.

It is not exclusive.

It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.

That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.

SO. MUCH. THIS.

If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.

If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.

No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.

More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.

Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.

So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?

Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.

In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.

If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.

In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.

A lot of parents/people spend a lot of money on useless things. What is your point?

Is your argument that the flagship Curie TJ Prep class was useless? The one place where students could get consistent work on problems of the type that they would see on the Quant-Q - which statistics published by the Admissions Office have suggested were absolutely the key separator in the old admissions process?

Curie is likely thanking you all for repeatedly mentioning their name

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?

The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.

The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.

Makes you think.

That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.

They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.

They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.

It is not exclusive.

It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.

That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.

SO. MUCH. THIS.

If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.

If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.

No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.

More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.

Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.

So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?

Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.

In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.

If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.

In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.

A lot of parents/people spend a lot of money on useless things. What is your point?

Is your argument that the flagship Curie TJ Prep class was useless? The one place where students could get consistent work on problems of the type that they would see on the Quant-Q - which statistics published by the Admissions Office have suggested were absolutely the key separator in the old admissions process?

Curie is likely thanking you all for repeatedly mentioning their name

Hey, if more Indian families want to waste their money on something that’s no longer effective, that’s on them. But I’m not going to stop calling out what happened years ago and why it created the conditions for positive change.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?

The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.

The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.

Makes you think.

That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.

They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.

They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.

It is not exclusive.

It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.

That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.

SO. MUCH. THIS.

If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.

If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.

No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.

More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.

Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.

So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?

Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.

In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.

If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.

In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.

A lot of parents/people spend a lot of money on useless things. What is your point?

Is your argument that the flagship Curie TJ Prep class was useless? The one place where students could get consistent work on problems of the type that they would see on the Quant-Q - which statistics published by the Admissions Office have suggested were absolutely the key separator in the old admissions process?

Curie is likely thanking you all for repeatedly mentioning their name

[Anonymous]

The public school system is getting too big. It is so corrupted.
Fairfax County should refund a portion of our property taxes so that we can send our kids to better schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The public school system is getting too big. It is so corrupted.
Fairfax County should refund a portion of our property taxes so that we can send our kids to better schools.

lol

FCPS is STILL one of the top school systems in the nation by any measure.

And the minute you get vouchers, the price of private school tuition will skyrocket.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?

The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.

The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.

Makes you think.

That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.

They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.

They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.

It is not exclusive.

It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.

That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.

SO. MUCH. THIS.

If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.

If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.

No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.

More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.

Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.

So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?

Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.

In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.

If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.

In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.

A lot of parents/people spend a lot of money on useless things. What is your point?

Is your argument that the flagship Curie TJ Prep class was useless? The one place where students could get consistent work on problems of the type that they would see on the Quant-Q - which statistics published by the Admissions Office have suggested were absolutely the key separator in the old admissions process?

Curie is likely thanking you all for repeatedly mentioning their name

Hey, if more Indian families want to waste their money on something that’s no longer effective, that’s on them. But I’m not going to stop calling out what happened years ago and why it created the conditions for positive change.

Why single out Indian families? Others are not wasting? Are you a former student of Curie to possess such in-depth knowledge about them?

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Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?

The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.

The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.

Makes you think.

That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.

They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.

They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.

It is not exclusive.

It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.

That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.

SO. MUCH. THIS.

If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.

If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.

No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.

More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.

Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.

So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?

Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.

In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.

If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.

In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.

A lot of parents/people spend a lot of money on useless things. What is your point?

Is your argument that the flagship Curie TJ Prep class was useless? The one place where students could get consistent work on problems of the type that they would see on the Quant-Q - which statistics published by the Admissions Office have suggested were absolutely the key separator in the old admissions process?

Curie is likely thanking you all for repeatedly mentioning their name

Hey, if more Indian families want to waste their money on something that’s no longer effective, that’s on them. But I’m not going to stop calling out what happened years ago and why it created the conditions for positive change.

Why single out Indian families? Others are not wasting? Are you a former student of Curie to possess such in-depth knowledge about them?

When the list of first and last names were published for the Classes of 2022, 2023 and 2024 were published by Curie of their students who had gained admission to TJ as well as AOS and AET, literally 100% of those names were of Indian descent. Not like.... all except for 3 - ALL OF THEM.

And that total, between those three schools in those three years, was over 500 kids. So you tell me whether or not Indian families should be singled out when it comes to Curie.

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Anonymous wrote:The public school system is getting too big. It is so corrupted.
Fairfax County should refund a portion of our property taxes so that we can send our kids to better schools.

lol

FCPS is STILL one of the top school systems in the nation by any measure.

And the minute you get vouchers, the price of private school tuition will skyrocket.

That's because most public school systems suck.

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Anonymous wrote:The public school system is getting too big. It is so corrupted.
Fairfax County should refund a portion of our property taxes so that we can send our kids to better schools.

lol

FCPS is STILL one of the top school systems in the nation by any measure.

And the minute you get vouchers, the price of private school tuition will skyrocket.

That's because most public school systems suck.

The worst public school systems exist in states that choose to defund public education.

It's a classic conservative refrain:

1) identify a public good that you wish to privatize and profit from;

2) remove critical taxpayer funding, making it extremely difficult for the program to succeed;

3) watch the program struggle and crumble;

4) offer a private option that, of course, is preferable because it is financially supported, but at a premium such that only a small percentage can afford it;

5) limit access to the public good to the wealthy and thus increase the performance gaps between rich and poor;

6) blame the poor for their failings and lionize the rich for their efforts;

7) reverse-justify the expenditure of taxpayer dollars to make the rich richer.

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Anonymous wrote:The public school system is getting too big. It is so corrupted.
Fairfax County should refund a portion of our property taxes so that we can send our kids to better schools.

lol

FCPS is STILL one of the top school systems in the nation by any measure.

And the minute you get vouchers, the price of private school tuition will skyrocket.

That's because most public school systems suck.

The worst public school systems exist in states that choose to defund public education.

It's a classic conservative refrain:

1) identify a public good that you wish to privatize and profit from;

2) remove critical taxpayer funding, making it extremely difficult for the program to succeed;

3) watch the program struggle and crumble;

4) offer a private option that, of course, is preferable because it is financially supported, but at a premium such that only a small percentage can afford it;

5) limit access to the public good to the wealthy and thus increase the performance gaps between rich and poor;

6) blame the poor for their failings and lionize the rich for their efforts;

7) reverse-justify the expenditure of taxpayer dollars to make the rich richer.

This is just plain as wrong as the conservatives you demonize.

There is a middle path. The thing is both left and right have a point. Truth is somewhere in between.

We need publicly well funded schools. No doubt. But they are sort of monopoly by definition.

We also need a small fraction say 10% to 20% of the students served by charter schools to provide competition as to student outcomes and operational performance measures. If public schools and charter schools are roughly performing the same we know it is likely working well. If public falls far behind charter they can be held accountable in whatever measure they are falling behind.

What is so wrong with this? Why so afraid of competition?