Why Does Johns Hopkins Get Destroyed in Cross-Admit Battles with Peer Schools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Idk. Cross admit data is old and has always been pretty flawed. Hard to measure. Yield rate is better if you take into account the fact that some schools only do REA and some do ED2. Among “top” schools it’s pretty much:

HYPSM
Gap
Rest of Ivies
Northwestern
Duke
Gap
Vanderbilt, JHU, etc

Uchicago is up there too but they ED2 and rig it a lot. No clue why JHU is much lower than Duke and NW, honestly surprised that NW is higher than Duke, and a little disappointed that the Ivy name still means so much.

Ignore cross admit stuff tho. Outdated and inaccurate

Ivies invented ED and all sorts of tactics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its ranking leads to many students who would prefer not to attend to still apply.

It being in a major American city would generally be a plus point, but Baltimore is so crime-ridden and run down that it scares parents and students away.

It's known as a pre-med gindfest. Unlike rigorous Chicago, there's no aspect of "love of learning". It's all about getting into med school.

It's less of a university with a medical school attached and more of a medical school with a university attached. As a result, the undergraduate school isn't particularly accommodative or attentive to undergrads to the extent that similar schools are (Brown, Dartmouth, Duke, etc.)

Med school isn’t attached — it’s located in another part of town. And faculty (most of whom have zero connection to the med school) are attentive to (interested) undergrads.

Hopkins is one of those schools where people who know nothing about it feel very comfortable posting totally inaccurate opinions.
Hopkins has a really pretty undergrad campus with active Greek life and strong division 1 and 3 sports. Lots of student athletes.

Many of the undergraduate programs are highly ranked independent of their graduate schools, including international studies and writing seminars, many engineering majors and of course, the natural sciences.

NP - I think that PP was accurately posting about people's perception of the school, not its physical location.

[Anonymous]

Someone who had actually attended Hopkins would never had posted this thread because of lack of data to support its thesis.

DCUM loves to trash Hopkins, yet it keep ticking away, offering great financial aid, an excellent education, ranked highly in domestic and global rankings. Even the lacrosse team is back inthe Top 10.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At Johns Hopkins:

You will work harder than you have ever worked before in your young life -> for a B-
You will go to "parties" where several kids are huddled in a corner -> studying
You will find that several 6 foot 2 mouth breathing lacrosse players are -> much smarter than you
You will eventually be graded on a curve and discover that your 94% course average is -> a B-
You will find that several of the better students transfer out to less notable colleges because -> four years of this BS before grad school just isn't worth it
You will -> throat or be throated

You will graduate and discover that the general public doesn't actually know anything about what you survived -> but the ones that do give you RESPECT (and jobs)

My husband is a Hopkins alum and this is so true!

I’m a Hopkins alum and disagree . I know no one who transferred out but plenty who transferred in.

[Anonymous]

Because it's not peers with those schools?

Hopkins is overranked because of federal funding for its medical research and Applied Physics Lab. While I'm sure the medical research has some carryover for undergrad students in biological sciences, it doesn't do much for anything outside of those subjects. The APL is based a 30 minutes drive off campus so it's not of much use to physics/engineering undergrad students.

The Ivies are Ivies, and therefore recognized globally. Duke is well-recognized nationally in every industry due to it's breadth of competencies and also basketball. Hopkins is well recognized nationally but primarily as a pre-med school.

[Anonymous]

Shouldn't the Duke versus Johns Hopkins debate be settled on the lacrosse field ?

[Anonymous]

Foolishness

Hopkins SAIS -> one of the world's leading centers for the study of international affairs
Hopkins APL -> pipeline from Whiting to the APL
Hopkins Peabody -> Top 10 Music Conservatory
Hopkins Med -> well at least you'd heard of that

Heck, even the Writing Seminars program spat out P.J. O'Rourke, Wes Craven, David Lipsky

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because it's not peers with those schools?

Hopkins is overranked because of federal funding for its medical research and Applied Physics Lab. While I'm sure the medical research has some carryover for undergrad students in biological sciences, it doesn't do much for anything outside of those subjects. The APL is based a 30 minutes drive off campus so it's not of much use to physics/engineering undergrad students.

The Ivies are Ivies, and therefore recognized globally. Duke is well-recognized nationally in every industry due to it's breadth of competencies and also basketball. Hopkins is well recognized nationally but primarily as a pre-med school.

I mostly agree but Bloomberg's $1B donation changed the game for Hopkins. Even if they're not quite at the level of Yale, Duke, Columbia, and Penn at the very least the donation put them with Dartmouth, Cornell, Brown, Chicago, and Northwestern.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because it's not peers with those schools?

Hopkins is overranked because of federal funding for its medical research and Applied Physics Lab. While I'm sure the medical research has some carryover for undergrad students in biological sciences, it doesn't do much for anything outside of those subjects. The APL is based a 30 minutes drive off campus so it's not of much use to physics/engineering undergrad students.

The Ivies are Ivies, and therefore recognized globally. Duke is well-recognized nationally in every industry due to it's breadth of competencies and also basketball. Hopkins is well recognized nationally but primarily as a pre-med school.

How could you live in this area and be totally ignorant of SAIS?

[Anonymous]

The Space Telescope Science Center is located on Hopkins undergraduate campus. https://www.stsci.edu/contact-us

[Anonymous]

If Hopkins were in a wealthy small town like Princeton then the denizens of DCUM would be fawning over Hopkins the same way. Let's just be frank here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Foolishness

Hopkins SAIS -> one of the world's leading centers for the study of international affairs
Hopkins APL -> pipeline from Whiting to the APL
Hopkins Peabody -> Top 10 Music Conservatory
Hopkins Med -> well at least you'd heard of that

Heck, even the Writing Seminars program spat out P.J. O'Rourke, Wes Craven, David Lipsky

Yeah, no one is doubting JHU's grad programs are stellar. The school simply hasn't invested enough in its undergrads, like UChicago until the 2010s. It's simple as that! That's why the school does so terribly in cross-admit battles against schools both above and below its caliber.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Foolishness

Hopkins SAIS -> one of the world's leading centers for the study of international affairs
Hopkins APL -> pipeline from Whiting to the APL
Hopkins Peabody -> Top 10 Music Conservatory
Hopkins Med -> well at least you'd heard of that

Heck, even the Writing Seminars program spat out P.J. O'Rourke, Wes Craven, David Lipsky

Yeah, no one is doubting JHU's grad programs are stellar. The school simply hasn't invested enough in its undergrads, like UChicago until the 2010s. It's simple as that! That's why the school does so terribly in cross-admit battles against schools both above and below its caliber.

You have no proof of that. Again, a Hopkins alum would know better to make such an argument without quality data to support it (and Parchment is far from quality data). Too bad you didn’t have a rigorous undergraduate education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If Hopkins were in a wealthy small town like Princeton then the denizens of DCUM would be fawning over Hopkins the same way. Let's just be frank here.

Who knows, the dcum denizens love to trash the local schools (Georgetown, Hopkins, UVA, VT) all of which are stellar. Based on some of the posts from the days acceptances are released, some of it seems to be over lingering hostility of they or their offspring not being accepted.

[Anonymous]

Too dangerous. My kid didn’t want to be at any school where there are “no go” zones for running, walking, biking etc.