Biden's VP?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why is Whitmer out?

Big Gretch was quickly exposed as a spoiled bimbo state school sorority girl amateur when the kitchen got hot.

Her father was the most powerful insurance executive in Michigan. He and his pals turned his out of touch sorority girl daughter into governor. There's no there there.

Michelle Obama would be PERFECT. Makes her a shoo-in to become first female potus, how could she not want that?

Whitmer served in the Michigan state legislature for fourteen years prior to being elected Governor.

She was the Michigan Senate's first woman Dem leader, and was invited to give the SOTU response. She's being widely praised for her handling of the pandemic crisis in her state. https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2020/06/12/study-whitmer-stay-home-orders-saved-perhaps-tens-thousands-lives/5342143002/
Hardly a slouch. Ignore PP, who has some weird axe to grid.

Seriously, PP's misogyny is thirsty real.... She's fat, she's a whore, daddy bought her everything. Her mother, also a lawyer is a non-entity because she doesn't have a phallus.

[Anonymous]

Who keeps saying Whitmer is popular in Michigan?? Do those posters realize that the State of Michigan extends far beyond the Detroit suburbs and Ann Arbor? Even my moderate family and friends don't like her for how she handled the pandemic. There is an active attempt by conservatives in the state to recall her.

Don't forget that Trump won Michigan in 2016.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who keeps saying Whitmer is popular in Michigan?? Do those posters realize that the State of Michigan extends far beyond the Detroit suburbs and Ann Arbor? Even my moderate family and friends don't like her for how she handled the pandemic. There is an active attempt by conservatives in the state to recall her.

Don't forget that Trump won Michigan in 2016.

For the covid response, she has 64% approval in Michigan while Trump’s is 42%.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who keeps saying Whitmer is popular in Michigan?? Do those posters realize that the State of Michigan extends far beyond the Detroit suburbs and Ann Arbor? Even my moderate family and friends don't like her for how she handled the pandemic. There is an active attempt by conservatives in the state to recall her.

Don't forget that Trump won Michigan in 2016.

For the covid response, she has 64% approval in Michigan while Trump’s is 42%.

Whoops forgot link: https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/new-poll-finds-growing-approval-for-gov-whitmers-covid-19-response-widening-partisan-views-of-pandemic

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who keeps saying Whitmer is popular in Michigan?? Do those posters realize that the State of Michigan extends far beyond the Detroit suburbs and Ann Arbor? Even my moderate family and friends don't like her for how she handled the pandemic. There is an active attempt by conservatives in the state to recall her.

Don't forget that Trump won Michigan in 2016.

Michigan is a historically blue state. Trump won by lying to people (I am bringing manufacturing back to 1960s levels), exploiting racial tensions, somehow getting the Dutch Reformed et al in Western Michigan to get in bed with a chronic adulterer, and playing to some deep-seeded sexism. There is an attempt by to recall her (like there was against Granholm), but you are forgetting there was also an active attempt to recall Snyder by liberals. The State of Michigan is not Detroit Suburbs+Ann Arbor but neither is it Cheboygan+Owosso. She is popular in Grand Rapids. She is popular in Traverse City. She is popular in college towns - not just EL and AA. She is popular in Flint and Detroit, etc.

[Anonymous]

Love that Tammy Baldwin is in the mix. Midwestern, policy chops plus progressive credentials.

[Anonymous]

This thread is fun and all, but I will vote for the Democratic ticket no matter what. The GOP has shown themselves to totally and completely opposed to American ideals, laws, and just general good sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who keeps saying Whitmer is popular in Michigan?? Do those posters realize that the State of Michigan extends far beyond the Detroit suburbs and Ann Arbor? Even my moderate family and friends don't like her for how she handled the pandemic. There is an active attempt by conservatives in the state to recall her.

Don't forget that Trump won Michigan in 2016.

For the covid response, she has 64% approval in Michigan while Trump’s is 42%.

Whoops forgot link: https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/new-poll-finds-growing-approval-for-gov-whitmers-covid-19-response-widening-partisan-views-of-pandemic

Her overall approval rating is 42% ....not great.

https://morningconsult.com/governor-rankings/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who keeps saying Whitmer is popular in Michigan?? Do those posters realize that the State of Michigan extends far beyond the Detroit suburbs and Ann Arbor? Even my moderate family and friends don't like her for how she handled the pandemic. There is an active attempt by conservatives in the state to recall her.

Don't forget that Trump won Michigan in 2016.

For the covid response, she has 64% approval in Michigan while Trump’s is 42%.

Whoops forgot link: https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/new-poll-finds-growing-approval-for-gov-whitmers-covid-19-response-widening-partisan-views-of-pandemic

Her overall approval rating is 42% ....not great.

https://morningconsult.com/governor-rankings/

4th quarter 2019 was a lifetime ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who keeps saying Whitmer is popular in Michigan?? Do those posters realize that the State of Michigan extends far beyond the Detroit suburbs and Ann Arbor? Even my moderate family and friends don't like her for how she handled the pandemic. There is an active attempt by conservatives in the state to recall her.

Don't forget that Trump won Michigan in 2016.

For the covid response, she has 64% approval in Michigan while Trump’s is 42%.

Whoops forgot link: https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/new-poll-finds-growing-approval-for-gov-whitmers-covid-19-response-widening-partisan-views-of-pandemic

Her overall approval rating is 42% ....not great.

https://morningconsult.com/governor-rankings/

4th quarter 2019 was a lifetime ago.

Yes that was then. She's in very positive territory for her pandemic response: https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/05/20/republican-men-views-coronavirus/5227671002/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who keeps saying Whitmer is popular in Michigan?? Do those posters realize that the State of Michigan extends far beyond the Detroit suburbs and Ann Arbor? Even my moderate family and friends don't like her for how she handled the pandemic. There is an active attempt by conservatives in the state to recall her.

Don't forget that Trump won Michigan in 2016.

Michigan is a historically blue state. Trump won by lying to people (I am bringing manufacturing back to 1960s levels), exploiting racial tensions, somehow getting the Dutch Reformed et al in Western Michigan to get in bed with a chronic adulterer, and playing to some deep-seeded sexism. There is an attempt by to recall her (like there was against Granholm), but you are forgetting there was also an active attempt to recall Snyder by liberals. The State of Michigan is not Detroit Suburbs+Ann Arbor but neither is it Cheboygan+Owosso. She is popular in Grand Rapids. She is popular in Traverse City. She is popular in college towns - not just EL and AA. She is popular in Flint and Detroit, etc.

I don't necessarily disagree with you on the reasons why Trump won in 2016, but you ignore the fact that all of those "Dutch Reformed et al" in Western Michigan, the residents in GR (and Kent County as a whole), and Northern MI are extremely reluctant to vote for a Democrat and a lot of the underlying sentiments that led them to vote for Trump still exist. They may be disillusioned with Trump in certain respects now but that doesn't translate into a vote for Biden. Many of them still believe Trump can bring the economy back, even if they personally don't like him. Outside of the Detroit area and AA, Michigan is still a conservative state. Whitmer is not as popular in GR as you think, even if she is popular in college towns like Big Rapids and Mount Pleasant. Given all of this, I simply think Biden should steer clear of Whitmer and go with a VP who doesn't carry as much baggage for the moderate MI voters but can appeal to them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who keeps saying Whitmer is popular in Michigan?? Do those posters realize that the State of Michigan extends far beyond the Detroit suburbs and Ann Arbor? Even my moderate family and friends don't like her for how she handled the pandemic. There is an active attempt by conservatives in the state to recall her.

Don't forget that Trump won Michigan in 2016.

Michigan is a historically blue state. Trump won by lying to people (I am bringing manufacturing back to 1960s levels), exploiting racial tensions, somehow getting the Dutch Reformed et al in Western Michigan to get in bed with a chronic adulterer, and playing to some deep-seeded sexism. There is an attempt by to recall her (like there was against Granholm), but you are forgetting there was also an active attempt to recall Snyder by liberals. The State of Michigan is not Detroit Suburbs+Ann Arbor but neither is it Cheboygan+Owosso. She is popular in Grand Rapids. She is popular in Traverse City. She is popular in college towns - not just EL and AA. She is popular in Flint and Detroit, etc.

I don't necessarily disagree with you on the reasons why Trump won in 2016, but you ignore the fact that all of those "Dutch Reformed et al" in Western Michigan, the residents in GR (and Kent County as a whole), and Northern MI are extremely reluctant to vote for a Democrat and a lot of the underlying sentiments that led them to vote for Trump still exist. They may be disillusioned with Trump in certain respects now but that doesn't translate into a vote for Biden. Many of them still believe Trump can bring the economy back, even if they personally don't like him. Outside of the Detroit area and AA, Michigan is still a conservative state. Whitmer is not as popular in GR as you think, even if she is popular in college towns like Big Rapids and Mount Pleasant. Given all of this, I simply think Biden should steer clear of Whitmer and go with a VP who doesn't carry as much baggage for the moderate MI voters but can appeal to them.

DP here, who was born-and-raised in Michigan. I think that the Democratic strategy will have to focus on GOTV in their Michigan strongholds vs. going after a reluctant rural Michigan voter. I mean, ideally you do both. But Biden is already a nod to the latter...what's needed is to energize all the voters who sat out in 2016. Those strongholds may have a small geographic footprint, but they are a huge fraction of the state population (Metro Detroit is ~40% of Michigan's population).

Personally, I'm less impressed by Whitmer than some others are, but the places where she's unpopular aren't really the places Biden needs to worry about. For rural Michigan moderates who voted Trump in 2016, having enough of them be disgusted enough by Trump to stay home, vote 3rd party, or leave the Presidential vote blank will be sufficient if enough people vote in SE Michigan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who keeps saying Whitmer is popular in Michigan?? Do those posters realize that the State of Michigan extends far beyond the Detroit suburbs and Ann Arbor? Even my moderate family and friends don't like her for how she handled the pandemic. There is an active attempt by conservatives in the state to recall her.

Don't forget that Trump won Michigan in 2016.

Michigan is a historically blue state. Trump won by lying to people (I am bringing manufacturing back to 1960s levels), exploiting racial tensions, somehow getting the Dutch Reformed et al in Western Michigan to get in bed with a chronic adulterer, and playing to some deep-seeded sexism. There is an attempt by to recall her (like there was against Granholm), but you are forgetting there was also an active attempt to recall Snyder by liberals. The State of Michigan is not Detroit Suburbs+Ann Arbor but neither is it Cheboygan+Owosso. She is popular in Grand Rapids. She is popular in Traverse City. She is popular in college towns - not just EL and AA. She is popular in Flint and Detroit, etc.

I don't necessarily disagree with you on the reasons why Trump won in 2016, but you ignore the fact that all of those "Dutch Reformed et al" in Western Michigan, the residents in GR (and Kent County as a whole), and Northern MI are extremely reluctant to vote for a Democrat and a lot of the underlying sentiments that led them to vote for Trump still exist. They may be disillusioned with Trump in certain respects now but that doesn't translate into a vote for Biden. Many of them still believe Trump can bring the economy back, even if they personally don't like him. Outside of the Detroit area and AA, Michigan is still a conservative state. Whitmer is not as popular in GR as you think, even if she is popular in college towns like Big Rapids and Mount Pleasant. Given all of this, I simply think Biden should steer clear of Whitmer and go with a VP who doesn't carry as much baggage for the moderate MI voters but can appeal to them.

I don't think she carries anymore baggage than anybody else, frankly. You are ignoring whole swaths of the state (e.g., Lansing and the surrounding area is liberal, Flint is liberal, Marquette, Houghton, SSM, Kalamazoo is liberal). East Grand Rapids is super diverse these days - and she's exceedingly popular there. She's also winning independents by a large margin: https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/05/20/republican-men-views-coronavirus/5227671002/.

Trump barely won Michigan, if a few fewer idiot students had not voted for Jill Stein or gotten off their couches, Clinton would have won. I think Whitmer would get people, particularly women, out to vote. It is always about turnout in Michigan - Snyder was hugely unpopular for most of his governorship - but as long cities, students, and moderate suburbs didn't vote, he was re-elected. Michigan has one of the highest migrant populations in the country, those migrants have had kids, and those kids are now of voting age. If they vote, democrats win.

[Anonymous]

Did anyone see the Judiciary Committee testimony today? It made me sad that Klobuchar is probably out of the running. She spoke so clearly and well vs. Harris, who was typically muddled and unclear in her speech. She's trying to present herself as front and center on this important issue, but I always feel as if she never actually says anything of substance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did anyone see the Judiciary Committee testimony today? It made me sad that Klobuchar is probably out of the running. She spoke so clearly and well vs. Harris, who was typically muddled and unclear in her speech. She's trying to present herself as front and center on this important issue, but I always feel as if she never actually says anything of substance.

^^neither woman of course addressed her own role in this very issue