Official Government Shutdown 2023 Thread

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Still don’t understand why we are finding Ukraine. This is akin to China funding Mexico if the US invaded Mexico after China created an entire defense pact in South America and was hinting for years that Mexico would join.

Your example is pretty good. Because there is no universe in which the US invades Mexico to annex it. Russia, on other hand, has stated that they intend to annex Ukraine and, after that, other places.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Still don’t understand why we are finding Ukraine. This is akin to China funding Mexico if the US invaded Mexico after China created an entire defense pact in South America and was hinting for years that Mexico would join.

We are in a proxy war with Russia. We don’t want them to re-establish power in the former Soviet territories. So we send money (though much of the funding stays internal to the US in terms of defense supplies), and Ukrainians supply the manpower. Pretty good arrangement, really.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a democrat shutdown full stop

Ooooh! Thank you so so much for adding “full stop” to your completely unsupported— and flat out wrong — opinion. Is that how it works in MAGA-ville? Some anonymous random blasts out BS — and if they say “full stop” the magic words shut down all discussion and critical thought?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still don’t understand why we are finding Ukraine. This is akin to China funding Mexico if the US invaded Mexico after China created an entire defense pact in South America and was hinting for years that Mexico would join.

We are in a proxy war with Russia. We don’t want them to re-establish power in the former Soviet territories. So we send money (though much of the funding stays internal to the US in terms of defense supplies), and Ukrainians supply the manpower. Pretty good arrangement, really.

NP. I don’t disagree with you but the Admin and Pentagon and State need to make this case publicly on record and Congress needs to publicly debate the pros and cons of this. If that happens I think most would back it.
Heck, Bush and his henchmen at State and in the military at least did this in justifying a war with Iraq based entirely on lies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still don’t understand why we are finding Ukraine. This is akin to China funding Mexico if the US invaded Mexico after China created an entire defense pact in South America and was hinting for years that Mexico would join.

We are in a proxy war with Russia. We don’t want them to re-establish power in the former Soviet territories. So we send money (though much of the funding stays internal to the US in terms of defense supplies), and Ukrainians supply the manpower. Pretty good arrangement, really.

NP. I don’t disagree with you but the Admin and Pentagon and State need to make this case publicly on record and Congress needs to publicly debate the pros and cons of this. If that happens I think most would back it.
Heck, Bush and his henchmen at State and in the military at least did this in justifying a war with Iraq based entirely on lies.

This isn't a state secret but it's not something that you advertise publicly. Our current official support for Ukraine is sufficient. The House already voted for the Ukraine aid. They just needed something to complain about during these past couple days.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Still don’t understand why we are finding Ukraine. This is akin to China funding Mexico if the US invaded Mexico after China created an entire defense pact in South America and was hinting for years that Mexico would join.

We are in a proxy war with Russia. We don’t want them to re-establish power in the former Soviet territories. So we send money (though much of the funding stays internal to the US in terms of defense supplies), and Ukrainians supply the manpower. Pretty good arrangement, really.

NP. I don’t disagree with you but the Admin and Pentagon and State need to make this case publicly on record and Congress needs to publicly debate the pros and cons of this. If that happens I think most would back it.
Heck, Bush and his henchmen at State and in the military at least did this in justifying a war with Iraq based entirely on lies.

Agree, and that's why Biden will sign the CR, then turn to Ukraine funding, where they can make the GOP sound unpatriotic. What would Reagan do?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Still don’t understand why we are finding Ukraine. This is akin to China funding Mexico if the US invaded Mexico after China created an entire defense pact in South America and was hinting for years that Mexico would join.

It’s not about Ukraine, it’s about standing up to Putin. He owns the Republicans and the Dems just shrugged.

Why do we care about standing up to Putin?

You’re fine with him being so closely connected with Republicans? I’m not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still don’t understand why we are finding Ukraine. This is akin to China funding Mexico if the US invaded Mexico after China created an entire defense pact in South America and was hinting for years that Mexico would join.

We are in a proxy war with Russia. We don’t want them to re-establish power in the former Soviet territories. So we send money (though much of the funding stays internal to the US in terms of defense supplies), and Ukrainians supply the manpower. Pretty good arrangement, really.

+1, it’s a pretty low price for a proxy war with zero American casualties, with the added bonus of defending a democratic country and making NATO relevent again and being able to push European countries to finally invest in their own militaries and stop relying on us to be their defense.

On top of that it’s an excellent warning to China to discourage them from invading Taiwan, which would have even more significant negative effects globally. We’ll see if it’s enough of a deterrent, but if Russia pays a steep enough price, I think it could be.

All of the above for a relatively tiny percentage of our budget.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Still don’t understand why we are finding Ukraine. This is akin to China funding Mexico if the US invaded Mexico after China created an entire defense pact in South America and was hinting for years that Mexico would join.

We are in a proxy war with Russia. We don’t want them to re-establish power in the former Soviet territories. So we send money (though much of the funding stays internal to the US in terms of defense supplies), and Ukrainians supply the manpower. Pretty good arrangement, really.

NP. I don’t disagree with you but the Admin and Pentagon and State need to make this case publicly on record and Congress needs to publicly debate the pros and cons of this. If that happens I think most would back it.
Heck, Bush and his henchmen at State and in the military at least did this in justifying a war with Iraq based entirely on lies.

This isn't a state secret but it's not something that you advertise publicly. Our current official support for Ukraine is sufficient. The House already voted for the Ukraine aid. They just needed something to complain about during these past couple days.

Your response is why so many in this country distrust the federal government and just gives populists rhetorical ammo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Still don’t understand why we are finding Ukraine. This is akin to China funding Mexico if the US invaded Mexico after China created an entire defense pact in South America and was hinting for years that Mexico would join.

We are in a proxy war with Russia. We don’t want them to re-establish power in the former Soviet territories. So we send money (though much of the funding stays internal to the US in terms of defense supplies), and Ukrainians supply the manpower. Pretty good arrangement, really.

NP. I don’t disagree with you but the Admin and Pentagon and State need to make this case publicly on record and Congress needs to publicly debate the pros and cons of this. If that happens I think most would back it.
Heck, Bush and his henchmen at State and in the military at least did this in justifying a war with Iraq based entirely on lies.

This isn't a state secret but it's not something that you advertise publicly. Our current official support for Ukraine is sufficient. The House already voted for the Ukraine aid. They just needed something to complain about during these past couple days.

Your response is why so many in this country distrust the federal government and just gives populists rhetorical ammo.

Diplomacy?

No, that's not the reason people distrust the government. Sorry, friend. You've got the wrong stick in your mouth.

[Anonymous]

Will Senate Repubicans vote NO on this CR?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Still don’t understand why we are finding Ukraine. This is akin to China funding Mexico if the US invaded Mexico after China created an entire defense pact in South America and was hinting for years that Mexico would join.

We are in a proxy war with Russia. We don’t want them to re-establish power in the former Soviet territories. So we send money (though much of the funding stays internal to the US in terms of defense supplies), and Ukrainians supply the manpower. Pretty good arrangement, really.

NP. I don’t disagree with you but the Admin and Pentagon and State need to make this case publicly on record and Congress needs to publicly debate the pros and cons of this. If that happens I think most would back it.
Heck, Bush and his henchmen at State and in the military at least did this in justifying a war with Iraq based entirely on lies.

This isn't a state secret but it's not something that you advertise publicly. Our current official support for Ukraine is sufficient. The House already voted for the Ukraine aid. They just needed something to complain about during these past couple days.

Your response is why so many in this country distrust the federal government and just gives populists rhetorical ammo.

I mean, is it not obvious this is the reason? They can’t come out and say it because then it’s no longer a proxy war. Obviously, Putin has world domination dreams. What is next after Ukraine? Come on.

[Anonymous]

From WaPo a few minutes ago:

The Senate is set to vote by 6:30 p.m. today on a bill to avoid a government shutdown. Starting at 4:20 p.m., the upper chamber will have, at most, two hours of debate, then vote on the measure, with a 60-vote threshold for passage.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Still don’t understand why we are finding Ukraine. This is akin to China funding Mexico if the US invaded Mexico after China created an entire defense pact in South America and was hinting for years that Mexico would join.

We are in a proxy war with Russia. We don’t want them to re-establish power in the former Soviet territories. So we send money (though much of the funding stays internal to the US in terms of defense supplies), and Ukrainians supply the manpower. Pretty good arrangement, really.

NP. I don’t disagree with you but the Admin and Pentagon and State need to make this case publicly on record and Congress needs to publicly debate the pros and cons of this. If that happens I think most would back it.
Heck, Bush and his henchmen at State and in the military at least did this in justifying a war with Iraq based entirely on lies.

This isn't a state secret but it's not something that you advertise publicly. Our current official support for Ukraine is sufficient. The House already voted for the Ukraine aid. They just needed something to complain about during these past couple days.

Your response is why so many in this country distrust the federal government and just gives populists rhetorical ammo.

Really? You need this spelled out for you?

And, actually, various leaders/politicians/feds have said just this. Try listening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still don’t understand why we are finding Ukraine. This is akin to China funding Mexico if the US invaded Mexico after China created an entire defense pact in South America and was hinting for years that Mexico would join.

We are in a proxy war with Russia. We don’t want them to re-establish power in the former Soviet territories. So we send money (though much of the funding stays internal to the US in terms of defense supplies), and Ukrainians supply the manpower. Pretty good arrangement, really.

great arrangement except for all the Ukrainian lines being sacrificed.