The White Lotus season 2

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Anonymous wrote:What do people make of Daphne's awareness/belief about what happened with the guys while they were in Noto? I am very curious about the two different conversations she had about it, one with Harper and one with Cameron:

With Harper: she is just kind of dead in the eyes when Harper says that she thinks the guys got up to some stuff that night, and then there's the very weird exchange where she talks about her trainer and spending all her time with him while Cameron is working, and then "accidentally" shows Harper a photo of her kids. I still don't know what I think of what Daphne is trying to say there (that she's cheating with her trainer, and Harper should to? that the kid is her trainer's kid, and if Harper wants kids, she should do the same? that there is no trainer and she's actually talking about her kids, who make the compromises in her marriage worth it?), but in that conversation she all but acknowledged that her husband probably was unfaithful while she was away.

With Cameron: jokey, smiley, says something like "Harper is sooo convinced you guys got up to something while we were gone" giggles. Then Cameron doesn't exactly answer but is charming and joking too (they are both very good at the flirtatious conversation) and Daphne makes some comment like "you'd never do that to me" even though she told Harper in Noto that she knows he has done it, and then the kiss and seem happier than ever.

I think we're supposed to think one is the "real" response and one is the fake response, but I actually think they are both real. I think she and Cameron maybe are just weirdly amazing at compartmentalizing and even though they both know that they both cheat, they are excellent about just putting it out of their minds when they are together and being happy and in love. Like I think they really do love each other, it's not a front.

But I also think this is an INSANE arrangement and that Daphne's dead-eyed stare and the weirdness with the photo indicates that maybe when she and Cameron aren't enjoying their lovey-dovey couple time, she is relatively tormented by how unfaithful their marriage is. Maybe? Still trying to figure Daphne out. A lot of characters (basically all of the foursome, plus Dom, Lucia, Mia, and Quentin) are still puzzles to me, but none more so than Daphne. This actress has such fascinating microexpressions and line deliveries. I'm very interested to see what we learn about her in the finale.

I have a bad marriage with a lot of problems that have compounded over time (not cheating though). Frankly, there are things I would simply rather not address, particularly things that are not likely to change. I don't want a divorce. So yeah, I don't spend my time with my husband and family fixating on those things. Cheating is a different ball of wax, but yeah, people compartmentalize.

Out of the four of them, Daphne seems the happiest and at peace with her decisions. But, I agree she has a looming sadness we only see for a split second here and there. This originally made me think if she is that good of hiding/compartmentalizing emotion,,,perhaps she has it in her to compartmentalize murder

I do think she is the most at peace with her choices and fulfilled in life. The others are much more complicated. She has found a way to be happy and 'not be a victim' as she likes to say.

Completely agree with this. She has made a peace with her situation.

What could DCUM learn from her??

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Anonymous wrote:What do people make of Daphne's awareness/belief about what happened with the guys while they were in Noto? I am very curious about the two different conversations she had about it, one with Harper and one with Cameron:

With Harper: she is just kind of dead in the eyes when Harper says that she thinks the guys got up to some stuff that night, and then there's the very weird exchange where she talks about her trainer and spending all her time with him while Cameron is working, and then "accidentally" shows Harper a photo of her kids. I still don't know what I think of what Daphne is trying to say there (that she's cheating with her trainer, and Harper should to? that the kid is her trainer's kid, and if Harper wants kids, she should do the same? that there is no trainer and she's actually talking about her kids, who make the compromises in her marriage worth it?), but in that conversation she all but acknowledged that her husband probably was unfaithful while she was away.

With Cameron: jokey, smiley, says something like "Harper is sooo convinced you guys got up to something while we were gone" giggles. Then Cameron doesn't exactly answer but is charming and joking too (they are both very good at the flirtatious conversation) and Daphne makes some comment like "you'd never do that to me" even though she told Harper in Noto that she knows he has done it, and then the kiss and seem happier than ever.

I think we're supposed to think one is the "real" response and one is the fake response, but I actually think they are both real. I think she and Cameron maybe are just weirdly amazing at compartmentalizing and even though they both know that they both cheat, they are excellent about just putting it out of their minds when they are together and being happy and in love. Like I think they really do love each other, it's not a front.

But I also think this is an INSANE arrangement and that Daphne's dead-eyed stare and the weirdness with the photo indicates that maybe when she and Cameron aren't enjoying their lovey-dovey couple time, she is relatively tormented by how unfaithful their marriage is. Maybe? Still trying to figure Daphne out. A lot of characters (basically all of the foursome, plus Dom, Lucia, Mia, and Quentin) are still puzzles to me, but none more so than Daphne. This actress has such fascinating microexpressions and line deliveries. I'm very interested to see what we learn about her in the finale.

I have a bad marriage with a lot of problems that have compounded over time (not cheating though). Frankly, there are things I would simply rather not address, particularly things that are not likely to change. I don't want a divorce. So yeah, I don't spend my time with my husband and family fixating on those things. Cheating is a different ball of wax, but yeah, people compartmentalize.

Out of the four of them, Daphne seems the happiest and at peace with her decisions. But, I agree she has a looming sadness we only see for a split second here and there. This originally made me think if she is that good of hiding/compartmentalizing emotion,,,perhaps she has it in her to compartmentalize murder

She’s had zero interaction with Ethan thus far and then she’s pictured walking away and he’s following her…. So intrigued

I have said I think there is a r*pe coming. I wonder if Ethan comes on to Daphne to get revenge on Cameron and it goes awry. Although that doesn't trakc with the opener

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Anonymous wrote:What do people make of Daphne's awareness/belief about what happened with the guys while they were in Noto? I am very curious about the two different conversations she had about it, one with Harper and one with Cameron:

With Harper: she is just kind of dead in the eyes when Harper says that she thinks the guys got up to some stuff that night, and then there's the very weird exchange where she talks about her trainer and spending all her time with him while Cameron is working, and then "accidentally" shows Harper a photo of her kids. I still don't know what I think of what Daphne is trying to say there (that she's cheating with her trainer, and Harper should to? that the kid is her trainer's kid, and if Harper wants kids, she should do the same? that there is no trainer and she's actually talking about her kids, who make the compromises in her marriage worth it?), but in that conversation she all but acknowledged that her husband probably was unfaithful while she was away.

With Cameron: jokey, smiley, says something like "Harper is sooo convinced you guys got up to something while we were gone" giggles. Then Cameron doesn't exactly answer but is charming and joking too (they are both very good at the flirtatious conversation) and Daphne makes some comment like "you'd never do that to me" even though she told Harper in Noto that she knows he has done it, and then the kiss and seem happier than ever.

I think we're supposed to think one is the "real" response and one is the fake response, but I actually think they are both real. I think she and Cameron maybe are just weirdly amazing at compartmentalizing and even though they both know that they both cheat, they are excellent about just putting it out of their minds when they are together and being happy and in love. Like I think they really do love each other, it's not a front.

But I also think this is an INSANE arrangement and that Daphne's dead-eyed stare and the weirdness with the photo indicates that maybe when she and Cameron aren't enjoying their lovey-dovey couple time, she is relatively tormented by how unfaithful their marriage is. Maybe? Still trying to figure Daphne out. A lot of characters (basically all of the foursome, plus Dom, Lucia, Mia, and Quentin) are still puzzles to me, but none more so than Daphne. This actress has such fascinating microexpressions and line deliveries. I'm very interested to see what we learn about her in the finale.

I have a bad marriage with a lot of problems that have compounded over time (not cheating though). Frankly, there are things I would simply rather not address, particularly things that are not likely to change. I don't want a divorce. So yeah, I don't spend my time with my husband and family fixating on those things. Cheating is a different ball of wax, but yeah, people compartmentalize.

Out of the four of them, Daphne seems the happiest and at peace with her decisions. But, I agree she has a looming sadness we only see for a split second here and there. This originally made me think if she is that good of hiding/compartmentalizing emotion,,,perhaps she has it in her to compartmentalize murder

She’s had zero interaction with Ethan thus far and then she’s pictured walking away and he’s following her…. So intrigued

I have said I think there is a r*pe coming. I wonder if Ethan comes on to Daphne to get revenge on Cameron and it goes awry. Although that doesn't trakc with the opener

I don't think there is a rape scene coming. I think the violent scenes between Ethan and Cameron are more of Ethan's visualizations. Or if Ethan becomes violent we don't find out until after that opener scene. I also think it's possible that the fourple are not the source of the deaths or drama, and that Ethan and Harper kiss and make up and promise to meet Daphne and Cameron in NY.

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Anonymous wrote:Should we assume at this point that someone’s head will be cut off?

No fool

They keep showing the testi di Moro… Maybe another type of head will be cut off.

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Anonymous wrote:What do people make of Daphne's awareness/belief about what happened with the guys while they were in Noto? I am very curious about the two different conversations she had about it, one with Harper and one with Cameron:

With Harper: she is just kind of dead in the eyes when Harper says that she thinks the guys got up to some stuff that night, and then there's the very weird exchange where she talks about her trainer and spending all her time with him while Cameron is working, and then "accidentally" shows Harper a photo of her kids. I still don't know what I think of what Daphne is trying to say there (that she's cheating with her trainer, and Harper should to? that the kid is her trainer's kid, and if Harper wants kids, she should do the same? that there is no trainer and she's actually talking about her kids, who make the compromises in her marriage worth it?), but in that conversation she all but acknowledged that her husband probably was unfaithful while she was away.

With Cameron: jokey, smiley, says something like "Harper is sooo convinced you guys got up to something while we were gone" giggles. Then Cameron doesn't exactly answer but is charming and joking too (they are both very good at the flirtatious conversation) and Daphne makes some comment like "you'd never do that to me" even though she told Harper in Noto that she knows he has done it, and then the kiss and seem happier than ever.

I think we're supposed to think one is the "real" response and one is the fake response, but I actually think they are both real. I think she and Cameron maybe are just weirdly amazing at compartmentalizing and even though they both know that they both cheat, they are excellent about just putting it out of their minds when they are together and being happy and in love. Like I think they really do love each other, it's not a front.

But I also think this is an INSANE arrangement and that Daphne's dead-eyed stare and the weirdness with the photo indicates that maybe when she and Cameron aren't enjoying their lovey-dovey couple time, she is relatively tormented by how unfaithful their marriage is. Maybe? Still trying to figure Daphne out. A lot of characters (basically all of the foursome, plus Dom, Lucia, Mia, and Quentin) are still puzzles to me, but none more so than Daphne. This actress has such fascinating microexpressions and line deliveries. I'm very interested to see what we learn about her in the finale.

I have a bad marriage with a lot of problems that have compounded over time (not cheating though). Frankly, there are things I would simply rather not address, particularly things that are not likely to change. I don't want a divorce. So yeah, I don't spend my time with my husband and family fixating on those things. Cheating is a different ball of wax, but yeah, people compartmentalize.

Out of the four of them, Daphne seems the happiest and at peace with her decisions. But, I agree she has a looming sadness we only see for a split second here and there. This originally made me think if she is that good of hiding/compartmentalizing emotion,,,perhaps she has it in her to compartmentalize murder

She’s had zero interaction with Ethan thus far and then she’s pictured walking away and he’s following her…. So intrigued

I have said I think there is a r*pe coming. I wonder if Ethan comes on to Daphne to get revenge on Cameron and it goes awry. Although that doesn't trakc with the opener

I don't think there is a rape scene coming. I think the violent scenes between Ethan and Cameron are more of Ethan's visualizations. Or if Ethan becomes violent we don't find out until after that opener scene. I also think it's possible that the fourple are not the source of the deaths or drama, and that Ethan and Harper kiss and make up and promise to meet Daphne and Cameron in NY.

FWIW I think this because

1) This season is all about power in s*x
2) There is a classic mythical r*pe in the credits (Leda and the Swan)
3) Nonno alludes to another classic mythical r*pe, the r*pe of Persephone by Hades

So I could totally be wrong but I think there is a lot of foreshadowing and the show has played a lot with consent up to this point

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I think Cam r*pes Harper while out of it on Ambien when he knows Ethan will be away on his jog.

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Check out Fresh Air - Terri Gross interviews Mike White this morning. Worth listening to!

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Anonymous wrote:What do people make of Daphne's awareness/belief about what happened with the guys while they were in Noto? I am very curious about the two different conversations she had about it, one with Harper and one with Cameron:

With Harper: she is just kind of dead in the eyes when Harper says that she thinks the guys got up to some stuff that night, and then there's the very weird exchange where she talks about her trainer and spending all her time with him while Cameron is working, and then "accidentally" shows Harper a photo of her kids. I still don't know what I think of what Daphne is trying to say there (that she's cheating with her trainer, and Harper should to? that the kid is her trainer's kid, and if Harper wants kids, she should do the same? that there is no trainer and she's actually talking about her kids, who make the compromises in her marriage worth it?), but in that conversation she all but acknowledged that her husband probably was unfaithful while she was away.

With Cameron: jokey, smiley, says something like "Harper is sooo convinced you guys got up to something while we were gone" giggles. Then Cameron doesn't exactly answer but is charming and joking too (they are both very good at the flirtatious conversation) and Daphne makes some comment like "you'd never do that to me" even though she told Harper in Noto that she knows he has done it, and then the kiss and seem happier than ever.

I think we're supposed to think one is the "real" response and one is the fake response, but I actually think they are both real. I think she and Cameron maybe are just weirdly amazing at compartmentalizing and even though they both know that they both cheat, they are excellent about just putting it out of their minds when they are together and being happy and in love. Like I think they really do love each other, it's not a front.

But I also think this is an INSANE arrangement and that Daphne's dead-eyed stare and the weirdness with the photo indicates that maybe when she and Cameron aren't enjoying their lovey-dovey couple time, she is relatively tormented by how unfaithful their marriage is. Maybe? Still trying to figure Daphne out. A lot of characters (basically all of the foursome, plus Dom, Lucia, Mia, and Quentin) are still puzzles to me, but none more so than Daphne. This actress has such fascinating microexpressions and line deliveries. I'm very interested to see what we learn about her in the finale.

I have a bad marriage with a lot of problems that have compounded over time (not cheating though). Frankly, there are things I would simply rather not address, particularly things that are not likely to change. I don't want a divorce. So yeah, I don't spend my time with my husband and family fixating on those things. Cheating is a different ball of wax, but yeah, people compartmentalize.

Out of the four of them, Daphne seems the happiest and at peace with her decisions. But, I agree she has a looming sadness we only see for a split second here and there. This originally made me think if she is that good of hiding/compartmentalizing emotion,,,perhaps she has it in her to compartmentalize murder

She’s had zero interaction with Ethan thus far and then she’s pictured walking away and he’s following her…. So intrigued

I have said I think there is a r*pe coming. I wonder if Ethan comes on to Daphne to get revenge on Cameron and it goes awry. Although that doesn't trakc with the opener

I don't think there is a rape scene coming. I think the violent scenes between Ethan and Cameron are more of Ethan's visualizations. Or if Ethan becomes violent we don't find out until after that opener scene. I also think it's possible that the fourple are not the source of the deaths or drama, and that Ethan and Harper kiss and make up and promise to meet Daphne and Cameron in NY.

Yeah I could see this. Perhaps the next episode makes us believe Ethan is just being paranoid and nothing happened between Harper and Cameron, and at the very end, Harper or Cameron says something to the other to make us realize they DID have sex and everyone is just going back to their lives.

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Anonymous wrote:What do people make of Daphne's awareness/belief about what happened with the guys while they were in Noto? I am very curious about the two different conversations she had about it, one with Harper and one with Cameron:

With Harper: she is just kind of dead in the eyes when Harper says that she thinks the guys got up to some stuff that night, and then there's the very weird exchange where she talks about her trainer and spending all her time with him while Cameron is working, and then "accidentally" shows Harper a photo of her kids. I still don't know what I think of what Daphne is trying to say there (that she's cheating with her trainer, and Harper should to? that the kid is her trainer's kid, and if Harper wants kids, she should do the same? that there is no trainer and she's actually talking about her kids, who make the compromises in her marriage worth it?), but in that conversation she all but acknowledged that her husband probably was unfaithful while she was away.

With Cameron: jokey, smiley, says something like "Harper is sooo convinced you guys got up to something while we were gone" giggles. Then Cameron doesn't exactly answer but is charming and joking too (they are both very good at the flirtatious conversation) and Daphne makes some comment like "you'd never do that to me" even though she told Harper in Noto that she knows he has done it, and then the kiss and seem happier than ever.

I think we're supposed to think one is the "real" response and one is the fake response, but I actually think they are both real. I think she and Cameron maybe are just weirdly amazing at compartmentalizing and even though they both know that they both cheat, they are excellent about just putting it out of their minds when they are together and being happy and in love. Like I think they really do love each other, it's not a front.

But I also think this is an INSANE arrangement and that Daphne's dead-eyed stare and the weirdness with the photo indicates that maybe when she and Cameron aren't enjoying their lovey-dovey couple time, she is relatively tormented by how unfaithful their marriage is. Maybe? Still trying to figure Daphne out. A lot of characters (basically all of the foursome, plus Dom, Lucia, Mia, and Quentin) are still puzzles to me, but none more so than Daphne. This actress has such fascinating microexpressions and line deliveries. I'm very interested to see what we learn about her in the finale.

I have a bad marriage with a lot of problems that have compounded over time (not cheating though). Frankly, there are things I would simply rather not address, particularly things that are not likely to change. I don't want a divorce. So yeah, I don't spend my time with my husband and family fixating on those things. Cheating is a different ball of wax, but yeah, people compartmentalize.

Out of the four of them, Daphne seems the happiest and at peace with her decisions. But, I agree she has a looming sadness we only see for a split second here and there. This originally made me think if she is that good of hiding/compartmentalizing emotion,,,perhaps she has it in her to compartmentalize murder

She’s had zero interaction with Ethan thus far and then she’s pictured walking away and he’s following her…. So intrigued

I have said I think there is a r*pe coming. I wonder if Ethan comes on to Daphne to get revenge on Cameron and it goes awry. Although that doesn't trakc with the opener

I don't think there is a rape scene coming. I think the violent scenes between Ethan and Cameron are more of Ethan's visualizations. Or if Ethan becomes violent we don't find out until after that opener scene. I also think it's possible that the fourple are not the source of the deaths or drama, and that Ethan and Harper kiss and make up and promise to meet Daphne and Cameron in NY.

FWIW I think this because

1) This season is all about power in s*x
2) There is a classic mythical r*pe in the credits (Leda and the Swan)
3) Nonno alludes to another classic mythical r*pe, the r*pe of Persephone by Hades

So I could totally be wrong but I think there is a lot of foreshadowing and the show has played a lot with consent up to this point

Or maybe Jack rapes Portia in an effort to keep her away from helping Tanya when the s*** is going down.

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Anonymous wrote:What do people make of Daphne's awareness/belief about what happened with the guys while they were in Noto? I am very curious about the two different conversations she had about it, one with Harper and one with Cameron:

With Harper: she is just kind of dead in the eyes when Harper says that she thinks the guys got up to some stuff that night, and then there's the very weird exchange where she talks about her trainer and spending all her time with him while Cameron is working, and then "accidentally" shows Harper a photo of her kids. I still don't know what I think of what Daphne is trying to say there (that she's cheating with her trainer, and Harper should to? that the kid is her trainer's kid, and if Harper wants kids, she should do the same? that there is no trainer and she's actually talking about her kids, who make the compromises in her marriage worth it?), but in that conversation she all but acknowledged that her husband probably was unfaithful while she was away.

With Cameron: jokey, smiley, says something like "Harper is sooo convinced you guys got up to something while we were gone" giggles. Then Cameron doesn't exactly answer but is charming and joking too (they are both very good at the flirtatious conversation) and Daphne makes some comment like "you'd never do that to me" even though she told Harper in Noto that she knows he has done it, and then the kiss and seem happier than ever.

I think we're supposed to think one is the "real" response and one is the fake response, but I actually think they are both real. I think she and Cameron maybe are just weirdly amazing at compartmentalizing and even though they both know that they both cheat, they are excellent about just putting it out of their minds when they are together and being happy and in love. Like I think they really do love each other, it's not a front.

But I also think this is an INSANE arrangement and that Daphne's dead-eyed stare and the weirdness with the photo indicates that maybe when she and Cameron aren't enjoying their lovey-dovey couple time, she is relatively tormented by how unfaithful their marriage is. Maybe? Still trying to figure Daphne out. A lot of characters (basically all of the foursome, plus Dom, Lucia, Mia, and Quentin) are still puzzles to me, but none more so than Daphne. This actress has such fascinating microexpressions and line deliveries. I'm very interested to see what we learn about her in the finale.

I have a bad marriage with a lot of problems that have compounded over time (not cheating though). Frankly, there are things I would simply rather not address, particularly things that are not likely to change. I don't want a divorce. So yeah, I don't spend my time with my husband and family fixating on those things. Cheating is a different ball of wax, but yeah, people compartmentalize.

Out of the four of them, Daphne seems the happiest and at peace with her decisions. But, I agree she has a looming sadness we only see for a split second here and there. This originally made me think if she is that good of hiding/compartmentalizing emotion,,,perhaps she has it in her to compartmentalize murder

She’s had zero interaction with Ethan thus far and then she’s pictured walking away and he’s following her…. So intrigued

I have said I think there is a r*pe coming. I wonder if Ethan comes on to Daphne to get revenge on Cameron and it goes awry. Although that doesn't trakc with the opener

I don't think there is a rape scene coming. I think the violent scenes between Ethan and Cameron are more of Ethan's visualizations. Or if Ethan becomes violent we don't find out until after that opener scene. I also think it's possible that the fourple are not the source of the deaths or drama, and that Ethan and Harper kiss and make up and promise to meet Daphne and Cameron in NY.

FWIW I think this because

1) This season is all about power in s*x
2) There is a classic mythical r*pe in the credits (Leda and the Swan)
3) Nonno alludes to another classic mythical r*pe, the r*pe of Persephone by Hades

So I could totally be wrong but I think there is a lot of foreshadowing and the show has played a lot with consent up to this point

I started rewatching this and noticed Portia is wearing a swan sweater vest in the first episode. (To match up with Leda and the Swan.)

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Anonymous wrote:What do people make of Daphne's awareness/belief about what happened with the guys while they were in Noto? I am very curious about the two different conversations she had about it, one with Harper and one with Cameron:

With Harper: she is just kind of dead in the eyes when Harper says that she thinks the guys got up to some stuff that night, and then there's the very weird exchange where she talks about her trainer and spending all her time with him while Cameron is working, and then "accidentally" shows Harper a photo of her kids. I still don't know what I think of what Daphne is trying to say there (that she's cheating with her trainer, and Harper should to? that the kid is her trainer's kid, and if Harper wants kids, she should do the same? that there is no trainer and she's actually talking about her kids, who make the compromises in her marriage worth it?), but in that conversation she all but acknowledged that her husband probably was unfaithful while she was away.

With Cameron: jokey, smiley, says something like "Harper is sooo convinced you guys got up to something while we were gone" giggles. Then Cameron doesn't exactly answer but is charming and joking too (they are both very good at the flirtatious conversation) and Daphne makes some comment like "you'd never do that to me" even though she told Harper in Noto that she knows he has done it, and then the kiss and seem happier than ever.

I think we're supposed to think one is the "real" response and one is the fake response, but I actually think they are both real. I think she and Cameron maybe are just weirdly amazing at compartmentalizing and even though they both know that they both cheat, they are excellent about just putting it out of their minds when they are together and being happy and in love. Like I think they really do love each other, it's not a front.

But I also think this is an INSANE arrangement and that Daphne's dead-eyed stare and the weirdness with the photo indicates that maybe when she and Cameron aren't enjoying their lovey-dovey couple time, she is relatively tormented by how unfaithful their marriage is. Maybe? Still trying to figure Daphne out. A lot of characters (basically all of the foursome, plus Dom, Lucia, Mia, and Quentin) are still puzzles to me, but none more so than Daphne. This actress has such fascinating microexpressions and line deliveries. I'm very interested to see what we learn about her in the finale.

I have a bad marriage with a lot of problems that have compounded over time (not cheating though). Frankly, there are things I would simply rather not address, particularly things that are not likely to change. I don't want a divorce. So yeah, I don't spend my time with my husband and family fixating on those things. Cheating is a different ball of wax, but yeah, people compartmentalize.

Out of the four of them, Daphne seems the happiest and at peace with her decisions. But, I agree she has a looming sadness we only see for a split second here and there. This originally made me think if she is that good of hiding/compartmentalizing emotion,,,perhaps she has it in her to compartmentalize murder

She’s had zero interaction with Ethan thus far and then she’s pictured walking away and he’s following her…. So intrigued

I have said I think there is a r*pe coming. I wonder if Ethan comes on to Daphne to get revenge on Cameron and it goes awry. Although that doesn't trakc with the opener

I don't think there is a rape scene coming. I think the violent scenes between Ethan and Cameron are more of Ethan's visualizations. Or if Ethan becomes violent we don't find out until after that opener scene. I also think it's possible that the fourple are not the source of the deaths or drama, and that Ethan and Harper kiss and make up and promise to meet Daphne and Cameron in NY.

FWIW I think this because

1) This season is all about power in s*x
2) There is a classic mythical r*pe in the credits (Leda and the Swan)
3) Nonno alludes to another classic mythical r*pe, the r*pe of Persephone by Hades

So I could totally be wrong but I think there is a lot of foreshadowing and the show has played a lot with consent up to this point

Or maybe Jack rapes Portia in an effort to keep her away from helping Tanya when the s*** is going down.

Or maybe there are no rapes. This seems the most likely to me. Throwing a rape into the final episode of what has been a non-violent show, on top of a known death or deaths, seems unlikely to me. This isn't some lurid soap opera.

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How come harper wasn't hungover after all that drinking and everyone else was? Maybe she's an alcoholic or something -- or maybe she wasn't really drunk and was just pretending? It just seemed odd that she wasn't and everyone else was.

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Anonymous wrote:What do people make of Daphne's awareness/belief about what happened with the guys while they were in Noto? I am very curious about the two different conversations she had about it, one with Harper and one with Cameron:

With Harper: she is just kind of dead in the eyes when Harper says that she thinks the guys got up to some stuff that night, and then there's the very weird exchange where she talks about her trainer and spending all her time with him while Cameron is working, and then "accidentally" shows Harper a photo of her kids. I still don't know what I think of what Daphne is trying to say there (that she's cheating with her trainer, and Harper should to? that the kid is her trainer's kid, and if Harper wants kids, she should do the same? that there is no trainer and she's actually talking about her kids, who make the compromises in her marriage worth it?), but in that conversation she all but acknowledged that her husband probably was unfaithful while she was away.

With Cameron: jokey, smiley, says something like "Harper is sooo convinced you guys got up to something while we were gone" giggles. Then Cameron doesn't exactly answer but is charming and joking too (they are both very good at the flirtatious conversation) and Daphne makes some comment like "you'd never do that to me" even though she told Harper in Noto that she knows he has done it, and then the kiss and seem happier than ever.

I think we're supposed to think one is the "real" response and one is the fake response, but I actually think they are both real. I think she and Cameron maybe are just weirdly amazing at compartmentalizing and even though they both know that they both cheat, they are excellent about just putting it out of their minds when they are together and being happy and in love. Like I think they really do love each other, it's not a front.

But I also think this is an INSANE arrangement and that Daphne's dead-eyed stare and the weirdness with the photo indicates that maybe when she and Cameron aren't enjoying their lovey-dovey couple time, she is relatively tormented by how unfaithful their marriage is. Maybe? Still trying to figure Daphne out. A lot of characters (basically all of the foursome, plus Dom, Lucia, Mia, and Quentin) are still puzzles to me, but none more so than Daphne. This actress has such fascinating microexpressions and line deliveries. I'm very interested to see what we learn about her in the finale.

I have a bad marriage with a lot of problems that have compounded over time (not cheating though). Frankly, there are things I would simply rather not address, particularly things that are not likely to change. I don't want a divorce. So yeah, I don't spend my time with my husband and family fixating on those things. Cheating is a different ball of wax, but yeah, people compartmentalize.

Out of the four of them, Daphne seems the happiest and at peace with her decisions. But, I agree she has a looming sadness we only see for a split second here and there. This originally made me think if she is that good of hiding/compartmentalizing emotion,,,perhaps she has it in her to compartmentalize murder

She’s had zero interaction with Ethan thus far and then she’s pictured walking away and he’s following her…. So intrigued

I have said I think there is a r*pe coming. I wonder if Ethan comes on to Daphne to get revenge on Cameron and it goes awry. Although that doesn't trakc with the opener

I don't think there is a rape scene coming. I think the violent scenes between Ethan and Cameron are more of Ethan's visualizations. Or if Ethan becomes violent we don't find out until after that opener scene. I also think it's possible that the fourple are not the source of the deaths or drama, and that Ethan and Harper kiss and make up and promise to meet Daphne and Cameron in NY.

I think this is a good prediction. I do don’t think the power dynamics between Ethan and Daphne would make a sexual assault make any sense at all.

I do think a major part of what is going on with Ethan is (1) simmering resentment over how Cameron has treated him since college, with maybe some actual trauma inflicted on him back in college in the form of bullying/hazing, and (2) total uncertainty about who he is after selling his company and becoming very wealthy overnight. I think what people are reading as “being dull” or “ignoring his wife” is actually some kind of paralysis brought on by his newfound wealth, probably exacerbated by his anger/rage at Cameron. I do think all that is going to boil over in the finale but likely not with him murdering Cameron, and I agree the foursome will probably put on happy faces and make plans to see each other again after the trip, but it will fake as none of them actually like each other. Though I think there will be a weird pull there because of the frienemy dynamic.

I have experienced that dynamic and the push-pull is very real. I have a former friend my that I managed to disentangle myself from but I’ll still go look at their Instagram sometimes out of this weird, almost morbid, interest. It’s hard to describe why I like doing it, but I do. I think this foursome will be kind of like that. The tensions, jealousies, mimetic desire (looove learning this phrase) will hold a pull gif people whose lives are otherwise almost too smooth and devoid of struggle or drama.

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Anonymous wrote:How come harper wasn't hungover after all that drinking and everyone else was? Maybe she's an alcoholic or something -- or maybe she wasn't really drunk and was just pretending? It just seemed odd that she wasn't and everyone else was.

Ethan was also not really hurting— he still went running and he woke up before Harper.

I actually think Cameron’s and Daphne’s claims of being hung over reflected a desire to treat the day before like it didn’t really happen, or “oh we were all so tipsy who can remember what was said!” Harper and Ethan both said some very pointed things both about what the guys did while the women were in Noto (which Daphne almost certainly knows on some level but would prefer not to have openly acknowledged) and about the dynamics between Cameron and Ethan. I think they were trying to turn the page and that this is something they do a lot in their own marriage and lives.

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Anonymous wrote:What do people make of Daphne's awareness/belief about what happened with the guys while they were in Noto? I am very curious about the two different conversations she had about it, one with Harper and one with Cameron:

With Harper: she is just kind of dead in the eyes when Harper says that she thinks the guys got up to some stuff that night, and then there's the very weird exchange where she talks about her trainer and spending all her time with him while Cameron is working, and then "accidentally" shows Harper a photo of her kids. I still don't know what I think of what Daphne is trying to say there (that she's cheating with her trainer, and Harper should to? that the kid is her trainer's kid, and if Harper wants kids, she should do the same? that there is no trainer and she's actually talking about her kids, who make the compromises in her marriage worth it?), but in that conversation she all but acknowledged that her husband probably was unfaithful while she was away.

With Cameron: jokey, smiley, says something like "Harper is sooo convinced you guys got up to something while we were gone" giggles. Then Cameron doesn't exactly answer but is charming and joking too (they are both very good at the flirtatious conversation) and Daphne makes some comment like "you'd never do that to me" even though she told Harper in Noto that she knows he has done it, and then the kiss and seem happier than ever.

I think we're supposed to think one is the "real" response and one is the fake response, but I actually think they are both real. I think she and Cameron maybe are just weirdly amazing at compartmentalizing and even though they both know that they both cheat, they are excellent about just putting it out of their minds when they are together and being happy and in love. Like I think they really do love each other, it's not a front.

But I also think this is an INSANE arrangement and that Daphne's dead-eyed stare and the weirdness with the photo indicates that maybe when she and Cameron aren't enjoying their lovey-dovey couple time, she is relatively tormented by how unfaithful their marriage is. Maybe? Still trying to figure Daphne out. A lot of characters (basically all of the foursome, plus Dom, Lucia, Mia, and Quentin) are still puzzles to me, but none more so than Daphne. This actress has such fascinating microexpressions and line deliveries. I'm very interested to see what we learn about her in the finale.

I have a bad marriage with a lot of problems that have compounded over time (not cheating though). Frankly, there are things I would simply rather not address, particularly things that are not likely to change. I don't want a divorce. So yeah, I don't spend my time with my husband and family fixating on those things. Cheating is a different ball of wax, but yeah, people compartmentalize.

Out of the four of them, Daphne seems the happiest and at peace with her decisions. But, I agree she has a looming sadness we only see for a split second here and there. This originally made me think if she is that good of hiding/compartmentalizing emotion,,,perhaps she has it in her to compartmentalize murder

She’s had zero interaction with Ethan thus far and then she’s pictured walking away and he’s following her…. So intrigued

I have said I think there is a r*pe coming. I wonder if Ethan comes on to Daphne to get revenge on Cameron and it goes awry. Although that doesn't trakc with the opener

I don't think there is a rape scene coming. I think the violent scenes between Ethan and Cameron are more of Ethan's visualizations. Or if Ethan becomes violent we don't find out until after that opener scene. I also think it's possible that the fourple are not the source of the deaths or drama, and that Ethan and Harper kiss and make up and promise to meet Daphne and Cameron in NY.

FWIW I think this because

1) This season is all about power in s*x
2) There is a classic mythical r*pe in the credits (Leda and the Swan)
3) Nonno alludes to another classic mythical r*pe, the r*pe of Persephone by Hades

So I could totally be wrong but I think there is a lot of foreshadowing and the show has played a lot with consent up to this point

I started rewatching this and noticed Portia is wearing a swan sweater vest in the first episode. (To match up with Leda and the Swan.)

To add...I was just thinking that Mia's dress was swanlike when she was with Valentina.