The White Lotus season 2

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Is anyone else judging most of these people for taking a very expensive vacation to a beautiful place and then kind of blowing it by being boring? They are barely leaving the hotel, spending a lot of time just sitting on the beach or at the pool (which you could do at any resort anywhere), doing very little to experience Italian culture, no one has once mentioned some great restaurant they want to go try (this is like 90% of what I do in Italy), very little time spend enjoying the cute little towns or the interesting architecture, etc. One trip to see ruins, one ride on a vespa, a visit to Noto that winds up being a little shopping plus bumming around a huge and empty palazzo.

It was funny when Cameron said that he didn't know why they kept giving them menus at dinner since they all had the menu memorized, but like... you are in Italy, dude. Go out to dinner. Your rich af and could charter a boat, hire a private chef, whatever you want. At least Portia went and had arancini in Palermo! And even though it's tinged with danger, at least Portia and Tanya have enjoyed meeting new people and stepping outside their comfort zones.

I would not want to vacation with these people, especially the foursome, even if they were footing the bill. I'd rather stay in a budget hotel and actually go experience things and see a lot and eat all kinds of food, go hiking and exploring, etc. These just spending hours a day eating three meals a day at their hotel, hanging out by the pool, and having tense conversations with their spouses and relatives, would annoy the crap out of me

(I get this is part of the point of White Lotus, just needed to express it -- this great vacation is so wasted on these people!)

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone else judging most of these people for taking a very expensive vacation to a beautiful place and then kind of blowing it by being boring? They are barely leaving the hotel, spending a lot of time just sitting on the beach or at the pool (which you could do at any resort anywhere), doing very little to experience Italian culture, no one has once mentioned some great restaurant they want to go try (this is like 90% of what I do in Italy), very little time spend enjoying the cute little towns or the interesting architecture, etc. One trip to see ruins, one ride on a vespa, a visit to Noto that winds up being a little shopping plus bumming around a huge and empty palazzo.

It was funny when Cameron said that he didn't know why they kept giving them menus at dinner since they all had the menu memorized, but like... you are in Italy, dude. Go out to dinner. Your rich af and could charter a boat, hire a private chef, whatever you want. At least Portia went and had arancini in Palermo! And even though it's tinged with danger, at least Portia and Tanya have enjoyed meeting new people and stepping outside their comfort zones.

I would not want to vacation with these people, especially the foursome, even if they were footing the bill. I'd rather stay in a budget hotel and actually go experience things and see a lot and eat all kinds of food, go hiking and exploring, etc. These just spending hours a day eating three meals a day at their hotel, hanging out by the pool, and having tense conversations with their spouses and relatives, would annoy the crap out of me

(I get this is part of the point of White Lotus, just needed to express it -- this great vacation is so wasted on these people!)

Yes!!! I was just in Taormina, and while I think the food there was worse than other parts of Sicily, likely due to all the tourists, the idea of simply eating in the hotel night after night never even occurred to me. There is definitely better, more authentic food than what can be found at the Four Seasons (ahem, White Lotus). I truly don't understand going to a place like Sicily, which is not a straight shot from the US, only to sit by a pool or at a restaurant, surrounded by other Americans. But there are so many people on DCUM who seem to want to do just that. They're not really interested in the culture, and they don't want to be reminded of income inequality in the form of having to interact with locals. If that's all you want, just go to Florida.

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone else judging most of these people for taking a very expensive vacation to a beautiful place and then kind of blowing it by being boring? They are barely leaving the hotel, spending a lot of time just sitting on the beach or at the pool (which you could do at any resort anywhere), doing very little to experience Italian culture, no one has once mentioned some great restaurant they want to go try (this is like 90% of what I do in Italy), very little time spend enjoying the cute little towns or the interesting architecture, etc. One trip to see ruins, one ride on a vespa, a visit to Noto that winds up being a little shopping plus bumming around a huge and empty palazzo.

It was funny when Cameron said that he didn't know why they kept giving them menus at dinner since they all had the menu memorized, but like... you are in Italy, dude. Go out to dinner. Your rich af and could charter a boat, hire a private chef, whatever you want. At least Portia went and had arancini in Palermo! And even though it's tinged with danger, at least Portia and Tanya have enjoyed meeting new people and stepping outside their comfort zones.

I would not want to vacation with these people, especially the foursome, even if they were footing the bill. I'd rather stay in a budget hotel and actually go experience things and see a lot and eat all kinds of food, go hiking and exploring, etc. These just spending hours a day eating three meals a day at their hotel, hanging out by the pool, and having tense conversations with their spouses and relatives, would annoy the crap out of me

(I get this is part of the point of White Lotus, just needed to express it -- this great vacation is so wasted on these people!)

No clown it’s a show that takes place at a resort

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Anonymous wrote:The preview is pretty helpful: Tanya survives the night. Cameron is wrestled under the water. Harper is showing emotion. Ethan is paranoid. Albie wants to save Lucia. Can't wait til Sunday!

Yes but why did the Italian stud muffin who seduced her have a gun? Why did they keep Portia away for the night? My bet is that Quentin and the gays are in cahoots with Tanya’s husband Greg who absconded suddenly from Sicily. He is setting up Tanya via the gay ring master Quentin (who is actually banging Portia’s cockney fling and ostensible nephew Jack). Maybe they will force Tanya to sign a new will at gun point or there may be an infidelity clause in the prenuptial agreement that would endow Greg with lions share of fortune if she dies: They may be planning to throw her overboard and Portia will not be there to help save her. Greg was very irate that Tanya brought Portia along. If the scheme works - The gays get half of the billion which should be enough to keep Quentin’s palazzo and their grand life style going for a few more years.

Yet Quentin told that story about Isola Bella island and the wealthy Swedish family who owned the island. She refused to sell the island and her body washed up on the rocks later and the estate became open to the public. Would Tanya’s estate become public somehow if she washes up on the rocks after being thrown overboard?

Also Quentin discussed that he has only ever loved one man - a heterosexual cowboy from Wyoming - and that 30 years later he would still do anything for him. Is Greg the cowboy who thirty years later is on his fourth wife? When he married Tanya he thought he was dying and she spent a fortune on medical care for him. But now he may have many years ahead of him he is not thrilled to spend them with Tanya. Has he given Quentin false hope of them having a luxurious future together if they can get rid of Tanya?

I wonder whether GLBTQ folks are annoyed by the portrayal of the gays as sleazy, dishonest, fawning, superficial, hedonistic and immoral degenerates? Or they straights painted similarly so they don’t mind?

I think it's simply that he's a drug dealer.

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone else judging most of these people for taking a very expensive vacation to a beautiful place and then kind of blowing it by being boring? They are barely leaving the hotel, spending a lot of time just sitting on the beach or at the pool (which you could do at any resort anywhere), doing very little to experience Italian culture, no one has once mentioned some great restaurant they want to go try (this is like 90% of what I do in Italy), very little time spend enjoying the cute little towns or the interesting architecture, etc. One trip to see ruins, one ride on a vespa, a visit to Noto that winds up being a little shopping plus bumming around a huge and empty palazzo.

It was funny when Cameron said that he didn't know why they kept giving them menus at dinner since they all had the menu memorized, but like... you are in Italy, dude. Go out to dinner. Your rich af and could charter a boat, hire a private chef, whatever you want. At least Portia went and had arancini in Palermo! And even though it's tinged with danger, at least Portia and Tanya have enjoyed meeting new people and stepping outside their comfort zones.

I would not want to vacation with these people, especially the foursome, even if they were footing the bill. I'd rather stay in a budget hotel and actually go experience things and see a lot and eat all kinds of food, go hiking and exploring, etc. These just spending hours a day eating three meals a day at their hotel, hanging out by the pool, and having tense conversations with their spouses and relatives, would annoy the crap out of me

(I get this is part of the point of White Lotus, just needed to express it -- this great vacation is so wasted on these people!)

No clown it’s a show that takes place at a resort

Insults, poor punctuation, lack of nuance...this post has it all.

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Anonymous wrote:What do people make of Daphne's awareness/belief about what happened with the guys while they were in Noto? I am very curious about the two different conversations she had about it, one with Harper and one with Cameron:

With Harper: she is just kind of dead in the eyes when Harper says that she thinks the guys got up to some stuff that night, and then there's the very weird exchange where she talks about her trainer and spending all her time with him while Cameron is working, and then "accidentally" shows Harper a photo of her kids. I still don't know what I think of what Daphne is trying to say there (that she's cheating with her trainer, and Harper should to? that the kid is her trainer's kid, and if Harper wants kids, she should do the same? that there is no trainer and she's actually talking about her kids, who make the compromises in her marriage worth it?), but in that conversation she all but acknowledged that her husband probably was unfaithful while she was away.

With Cameron: jokey, smiley, says something like "Harper is sooo convinced you guys got up to something while we were gone" giggles. Then Cameron doesn't exactly answer but is charming and joking too (they are both very good at the flirtatious conversation) and Daphne makes some comment like "you'd never do that to me" even though she told Harper in Noto that she knows he has done it, and then the kiss and seem happier than ever.

I think we're supposed to think one is the "real" response and one is the fake response, but I actually think they are both real. I think she and Cameron maybe are just weirdly amazing at compartmentalizing and even though they both know that they both cheat, they are excellent about just putting it out of their minds when they are together and being happy and in love. Like I think they really do love each other, it's not a front.

But I also think this is an INSANE arrangement and that Daphne's dead-eyed stare and the weirdness with the photo indicates that maybe when she and Cameron aren't enjoying their lovey-dovey couple time, she is relatively tormented by how unfaithful their marriage is. Maybe? Still trying to figure Daphne out. A lot of characters (basically all of the foursome, plus Dom, Lucia, Mia, and Quentin) are still puzzles to me, but none more so than Daphne. This actress has such fascinating microexpressions and line deliveries. I'm very interested to see what we learn about her in the finale.

I have a bad marriage with a lot of problems that have compounded over time (not cheating though). Frankly, there are things I would simply rather not address, particularly things that are not likely to change. I don't want a divorce. So yeah, I don't spend my time with my husband and family fixating on those things. Cheating is a different ball of wax, but yeah, people compartmentalize.

Out of the four of them, Daphne seems the happiest and at peace with her decisions. But, I agree she has a looming sadness we only see for a split second here and there. This originally made me think if she is that good of hiding/compartmentalizing emotion,,,perhaps she has it in her to compartmentalize murder

She’s had zero interaction with Ethan thus far and then she’s pictured walking away and he’s following her…. So intrigued

I have said I think there is a r*pe coming. I wonder if Ethan comes on to Daphne to get revenge on Cameron and it goes awry. Although that doesn't trakc with the opener

I don't think there is a rape scene coming. I think the violent scenes between Ethan and Cameron are more of Ethan's visualizations. Or if Ethan becomes violent we don't find out until after that opener scene. I also think it's possible that the fourple are not the source of the deaths or drama, and that Ethan and Harper kiss and make up and promise to meet Daphne and Cameron in NY.

FWIW I think this because

1) This season is all about power in s*x
2) There is a classic mythical r*pe in the credits (Leda and the Swan)
3) Nonno alludes to another classic mythical r*pe, the r*pe of Persephone by Hades

So I could totally be wrong but I think there is a lot of foreshadowing and the show has played a lot with consent up to this point

I started rewatching this and noticed Portia is wearing a swan sweater vest in the first episode. (To match up with Leda and the Swan.)

Amazing! Someone involved in production took art history classes!

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Anonymous wrote:The preview is pretty helpful: Tanya survives the night. Cameron is wrestled under the water. Harper is showing emotion. Ethan is paranoid. Albie wants to save Lucia. Can't wait til Sunday!

Yes but why did the Italian stud muffin who seduced her have a gun? Why did they keep Portia away for the night? My bet is that Quentin and the gays are in cahoots with Tanya’s husband Greg who absconded suddenly from Sicily. He is setting up Tanya via the gay ring master Quentin (who is actually banging Portia’s cockney fling and ostensible nephew Jack). Maybe they will force Tanya to sign a new will at gun point or there may be an infidelity clause in the prenuptial agreement that would endow Greg with lions share of fortune if she dies: They may be planning to throw her overboard and Portia will not be there to help save her. Greg was very irate that Tanya brought Portia along. If the scheme works - The gays get half of the billion which should be enough to keep Quentin’s palazzo and their grand life style going for a few more years.

Yet Quentin told that story about Isola Bella island and the wealthy Swedish family who owned the island. She refused to sell the island and her body washed up on the rocks later and the estate became open to the public. Would Tanya’s estate become public somehow if she washes up on the rocks after being thrown overboard?

Also Quentin discussed that he has only ever loved one man - a heterosexual cowboy from Wyoming - and that 30 years later he would still do anything for him. Is Greg the cowboy who thirty years later is on his fourth wife? When he married Tanya he thought he was dying and she spent a fortune on medical care for him. But now he may have many years ahead of him he is not thrilled to spend them with Tanya. Has he given Quentin false hope of them having a luxurious future together if they can get rid of Tanya?

I wonder whether GLBTQ folks are annoyed by the portrayal of the gays as sleazy, dishonest, fawning, superficial, hedonistic and immoral degenerates? Or they straights painted similarly so they don’t mind?

I think it's simply that he's a drug dealer.

And part of the mafia

[Anonymous]

I saw an interview posted on the web with the actress who plays Valentina and she says the ending is shocking. Also saw Aubrey Plaza say the ending scares her. So, if that is the case then the ending isn't what you'd expect, like Ethen offs Cam or Greg/Quentin get Tanya. I'm thinking someone like Albie or Portia snaps, and/or that Ethan (or Harper) snaps but accidentally offs someone that they didn't intend to.

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Anonymous wrote:Check out Fresh Air - Terri Gross interviews Mike White this morning. Worth listening to!

Thank you for posting this!

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Anonymous wrote:Love how Mike White randomly drops red pills in this season and last season. The British nephew giving some well needed perspective and context to rebuke Portia’s woke prattling about the world falling apart is a prime example.

Yes telling a woke millennial have the quality and safety of life - for all- is at all time human history highs in 2022 was awesome perspective.

wait i didn't catch this part - what happened / what did he say?

It was the first scene after he took Portia out with his “uncle’s” car so that his “uncle” could get Tanya high at the party. They’re drinking overlooking a gorgeous seaside town and Portia is ranting about how the world is falling apart and it’s the worst it’s ever been. The British kid, rightly, calls what she’s saying BS and asks her if she’d rather live in the Dark Ages when people were cutting each other to bits and points around and says the world is pretty good right now. And he’s right. Someone like Portia would be dead by 35 and live an utterly depressing life centuries ago. Yet she’s complaining about how much the world sucks while drinking a cocktail in a beach in Sicily. She had utterly no sense of appreciation or historical context, like a lot of woke kids these days.

I think the show is definitely mocking people like Portia and Harper who live extremely privileged lives but make statements like "the world is on fire" or "with everything going on in the world" (from Harper's first conversation with Daphne/Cameron) without much sense of history or context.

But I don't think the show is sympathetic to people like Daphne and Tanya and Essex boy who don't think about anything beyond their own day-to-day comfort and wellbeing. More understandable for Essex boy - he has had real struggles and can probably be forgiven for not worrying about climate change or whatever when he's just thankful to know where his next meal is coming from. But being someone like Daphne who just lives her super privileged life without ever thinking about the state of the world or how to improve it is not something to aspire to either.

I don't think you can really talk about Portia and Harper's privilege in the same breath. Harper is a lawyer married to a tech milliionaire at the White Lotus on vacation. Portia is at the hotel as the dogsbody to an odious woman.

True but compared to 95% of people in the world, she has a lot of privilege. Also her job seems kind of easy - she literally does nothing to help Tanya

Well, sure, but then the employees at the hotel have a lot of privilege, if that's the standard. The hookers even have a lot of privilege, as they are not starving refugees.

If you don’t think someone like Portia - who has not motivation, isn’t ridiculously smart - doesn’t have a lot of privilege when she is staying for free in one of the nicest hotels I’ve ever seen on a television series just because she occasionally has to coddle Tanya, I don’t know what to tell you.

If you read closely, my initial point was that Portia and Harper were lumped together as “privileged” when they are on entirely different planes of privilege. Does a nanny exist on the same level of privilege as their employer? No, and I bet the ides of that would be infuriating to a lot of mom bosses.

No but we are still privileged to live in this time. And these people are privileged to live in these countries and have this type of access. I don't think a nanny has the same privilege that their employer has, but depending on the circumstances they could have and objectively pretty decent life. Especially compared to historical comparisons. That doesn't mean they can't have problems or work to fix them or that they can never vent, but Portia is not supposed to just be someone who has problems, she is someone who complains while being inert. And the lack of inertia she displays while doing almost nothing but griping is what highlights just how much she DOES have.

But Portia is not complaining about what she doesn't have, she is complaining about the state of the world. Her quibbles are not material in nature, she is concerned about war, climate change, women's rights. And if she were complaining about income inequality, why not? It's a totally valid complaint.

Yes, but the world is still is at a better place than it was at any time in history. Someone like Jack, who would have been worked to death in a factory 100 years ago or died in a foxhole in WW1 or on a beach in WW2, know full well how good he has it. He has some context and is also, unlike Portia, appreciative of life because it’s obvious his life has been extremely depressing and troubled so drinking cocktails in Sicily overlooking the beach is paradise by comparison. Portia wasn’t rich, but had a comfortable middle class upbringing without a great college education to boot, which fosters her ennui and her uncontextualized hubris about the world falling apart.

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Anonymous wrote:Love how Mike White randomly drops red pills in this season and last season. The British nephew giving some well needed perspective and context to rebuke Portia’s woke prattling about the world falling apart is a prime example.

Yes telling a woke millennial have the quality and safety of life - for all- is at all time human history highs in 2022 was awesome perspective.

wait i didn't catch this part - what happened / what did he say?

It was the first scene after he took Portia out with his “uncle’s” car so that his “uncle” could get Tanya high at the party. They’re drinking overlooking a gorgeous seaside town and Portia is ranting about how the world is falling apart and it’s the worst it’s ever been. The British kid, rightly, calls what she’s saying BS and asks her if she’d rather live in the Dark Ages when people were cutting each other to bits and points around and says the world is pretty good right now. And he’s right. Someone like Portia would be dead by 35 and live an utterly depressing life centuries ago. Yet she’s complaining about how much the world sucks while drinking a cocktail in a beach in Sicily. She had utterly no sense of appreciation or historical context, like a lot of woke kids these days.

I think the show is definitely mocking people like Portia and Harper who live extremely privileged lives but make statements like "the world is on fire" or "with everything going on in the world" (from Harper's first conversation with Daphne/Cameron) without much sense of history or context.

But I don't think the show is sympathetic to people like Daphne and Tanya and Essex boy who don't think about anything beyond their own day-to-day comfort and wellbeing. More understandable for Essex boy - he has had real struggles and can probably be forgiven for not worrying about climate change or whatever when he's just thankful to know where his next meal is coming from. But being someone like Daphne who just lives her super privileged life without ever thinking about the state of the world or how to improve it is not something to aspire to either.

I don't think you can really talk about Portia and Harper's privilege in the same breath. Harper is a lawyer married to a tech milliionaire at the White Lotus on vacation. Portia is at the hotel as the dogsbody to an odious woman.

True but compared to 95% of people in the world, she has a lot of privilege. Also her job seems kind of easy - she literally does nothing to help Tanya

Well, sure, but then the employees at the hotel have a lot of privilege, if that's the standard. The hookers even have a lot of privilege, as they are not starving refugees.

If you don’t think someone like Portia - who has not motivation, isn’t ridiculously smart - doesn’t have a lot of privilege when she is staying for free in one of the nicest hotels I’ve ever seen on a television series just because she occasionally has to coddle Tanya, I don’t know what to tell you.

If you read closely, my initial point was that Portia and Harper were lumped together as “privileged” when they are on entirely different planes of privilege. Does a nanny exist on the same level of privilege as their employer? No, and I bet the ides of that would be infuriating to a lot of mom bosses.

No but we are still privileged to live in this time. And these people are privileged to live in these countries and have this type of access. I don't think a nanny has the same privilege that their employer has, but depending on the circumstances they could have and objectively pretty decent life. Especially compared to historical comparisons. That doesn't mean they can't have problems or work to fix them or that they can never vent, but Portia is not supposed to just be someone who has problems, she is someone who complains while being inert. And the lack of inertia she displays while doing almost nothing but griping is what highlights just how much she DOES have.

But Portia is not complaining about what she doesn't have, she is complaining about the state of the world. Her quibbles are not material in nature, she is concerned about war, climate change, women's rights. And if she were complaining about income inequality, why not? It's a totally valid complaint.

Yes, but the world is still is at a better place than it was at any time in history. Someone like Jack, who would have been worked to death in a factory 100 years ago or died in a foxhole in WW1 or on a beach in WW2, know full well how good he has it. He has some context and is also, unlike Portia, appreciative of life because it’s obvious his life has been extremely depressing and troubled so drinking cocktails in Sicily overlooking the beach is paradise by comparison. Portia wasn’t rich, but had a comfortable middle class upbringing without a great college education to boot, which fosters her ennui and her uncontextualized hubris about the world falling apart.

Oh my GOD. Give it a rest. We more than understand your point of view.

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Anonymous wrote:Love how Mike White randomly drops red pills in this season and last season. The British nephew giving some well needed perspective and context to rebuke Portia’s woke prattling about the world falling apart is a prime example.

Yes telling a woke millennial have the quality and safety of life - for all- is at all time human history highs in 2022 was awesome perspective.

wait i didn't catch this part - what happened / what did he say?

It was the first scene after he took Portia out with his “uncle’s” car so that his “uncle” could get Tanya high at the party. They’re drinking overlooking a gorgeous seaside town and Portia is ranting about how the world is falling apart and it’s the worst it’s ever been. The British kid, rightly, calls what she’s saying BS and asks her if she’d rather live in the Dark Ages when people were cutting each other to bits and points around and says the world is pretty good right now. And he’s right. Someone like Portia would be dead by 35 and live an utterly depressing life centuries ago. Yet she’s complaining about how much the world sucks while drinking a cocktail in a beach in Sicily. She had utterly no sense of appreciation or historical context, like a lot of woke kids these days.

I think the show is definitely mocking people like Portia and Harper who live extremely privileged lives but make statements like "the world is on fire" or "with everything going on in the world" (from Harper's first conversation with Daphne/Cameron) without much sense of history or context.

But I don't think the show is sympathetic to people like Daphne and Tanya and Essex boy who don't think about anything beyond their own day-to-day comfort and wellbeing. More understandable for Essex boy - he has had real struggles and can probably be forgiven for not worrying about climate change or whatever when he's just thankful to know where his next meal is coming from. But being someone like Daphne who just lives her super privileged life without ever thinking about the state of the world or how to improve it is not something to aspire to either.

I don't think you can really talk about Portia and Harper's privilege in the same breath. Harper is a lawyer married to a tech milliionaire at the White Lotus on vacation. Portia is at the hotel as the dogsbody to an odious woman.

True but compared to 95% of people in the world, she has a lot of privilege. Also her job seems kind of easy - she literally does nothing to help Tanya

Well, sure, but then the employees at the hotel have a lot of privilege, if that's the standard. The hookers even have a lot of privilege, as they are not starving refugees.

If you don’t think someone like Portia - who has not motivation, isn’t ridiculously smart - doesn’t have a lot of privilege when she is staying for free in one of the nicest hotels I’ve ever seen on a television series just because she occasionally has to coddle Tanya, I don’t know what to tell you.

If you read closely, my initial point was that Portia and Harper were lumped together as “privileged” when they are on entirely different planes of privilege. Does a nanny exist on the same level of privilege as their employer? No, and I bet the ides of that would be infuriating to a lot of mom bosses.

No but we are still privileged to live in this time. And these people are privileged to live in these countries and have this type of access. I don't think a nanny has the same privilege that their employer has, but depending on the circumstances they could have and objectively pretty decent life. Especially compared to historical comparisons. That doesn't mean they can't have problems or work to fix them or that they can never vent, but Portia is not supposed to just be someone who has problems, she is someone who complains while being inert. And the lack of inertia she displays while doing almost nothing but griping is what highlights just how much she DOES have.

But Portia is not complaining about what she doesn't have, she is complaining about the state of the world. Her quibbles are not material in nature, she is concerned about war, climate change, women's rights. And if she were complaining about income inequality, why not? It's a totally valid complaint.

Yes, but the world is still is at a better place than it was at any time in history. Someone like Jack, who would have been worked to death in a factory 100 years ago or died in a foxhole in WW1 or on a beach in WW2, know full well how good he has it. He has some context and is also, unlike Portia, appreciative of life because it’s obvious his life has been extremely depressing and troubled so drinking cocktails in Sicily overlooking the beach is paradise by comparison. Portia wasn’t rich, but had a comfortable middle class upbringing without a great college education to boot, which fosters her ennui and her uncontextualized hubris about the world falling apart.

Oh my GOD. Give it a rest. We more than understand your point of view.

Yeah really, classic DCUM to go on and on about this.

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone else judging most of these people for taking a very expensive vacation to a beautiful place and then kind of blowing it by being boring? They are barely leaving the hotel, spending a lot of time just sitting on the beach or at the pool (which you could do at any resort anywhere), doing very little to experience Italian culture, no one has once mentioned some great restaurant they want to go try (this is like 90% of what I do in Italy), very little time spend enjoying the cute little towns or the interesting architecture, etc. One trip to see ruins, one ride on a vespa, a visit to Noto that winds up being a little shopping plus bumming around a huge and empty palazzo.

It was funny when Cameron said that he didn't know why they kept giving them menus at dinner since they all had the menu memorized, but like... you are in Italy, dude. Go out to dinner. Your rich af and could charter a boat, hire a private chef, whatever you want. At least Portia went and had arancini in Palermo! And even though it's tinged with danger, at least Portia and Tanya have enjoyed meeting new people and stepping outside their comfort zones.

I would not want to vacation with these people, especially the foursome, even if they were footing the bill. I'd rather stay in a budget hotel and actually go experience things and see a lot and eat all kinds of food, go hiking and exploring, etc. These just spending hours a day eating three meals a day at their hotel, hanging out by the pool, and having tense conversations with their spouses and relatives, would annoy the crap out of me

(I get this is part of the point of White Lotus, just needed to express it -- this great vacation is so wasted on these people!)

Did you not watch season 1? That’s very much the point of the series. Rich people being bored and tortured despite the wealth of options/experiences they have before them.

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Anonymous wrote:Check out Fresh Air - Terri Gross interviews Mike White this morning. Worth listening to!

Thank you for posting this!

Excerpts:

I'm excited about the finale. I do feel like it sort of feels like it's - there's a justification for it.

And

And I was like, OK - because the two prostitutes in the show - I was like, this is - there's something very "Laverne And Shirley" here of these girls, like, trying to, like, you know, like - because Laverne and Shirley were always trying to break into the - like, you know, the party that they weren't invited to. And, you know, like, they were kind of these, like, underdog, working-class girls.

When you're on HBO and there's this - all this sense of - like, you know, it's prestige TV and blah, blah, blah. And, like, I was just like, I'm doing, like, basically a reboot of "Laverne And Shirley" meets, you know, "Fantasy Island" with some "Survivor" dropped into it.

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone else judging most of these people for taking a very expensive vacation to a beautiful place and then kind of blowing it by being boring? They are barely leaving the hotel, spending a lot of time just sitting on the beach or at the pool (which you could do at any resort anywhere), doing very little to experience Italian culture, no one has once mentioned some great restaurant they want to go try (this is like 90% of what I do in Italy), very little time spend enjoying the cute little towns or the interesting architecture, etc. One trip to see ruins, one ride on a vespa, a visit to Noto that winds up being a little shopping plus bumming around a huge and empty palazzo.

It was funny when Cameron said that he didn't know why they kept giving them menus at dinner since they all had the menu memorized, but like... you are in Italy, dude. Go out to dinner. Your rich af and could charter a boat, hire a private chef, whatever you want. At least Portia went and had arancini in Palermo! And even though it's tinged with danger, at least Portia and Tanya have enjoyed meeting new people and stepping outside their comfort zones.

I would not want to vacation with these people, especially the foursome, even if they were footing the bill. I'd rather stay in a budget hotel and actually go experience things and see a lot and eat all kinds of food, go hiking and exploring, etc. These just spending hours a day eating three meals a day at their hotel, hanging out by the pool, and having tense conversations with their spouses and relatives, would annoy the crap out of me

(I get this is part of the point of White Lotus, just needed to express it -- this great vacation is so wasted on these people!)

I know someone who went to Barcelona and didn't even set foot outside of their hotel all week