Biden's VP?

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Anonymous wrote:He’s going to lose some support regardless of who he chooses. The Democratic base is fractured like never before.

True, but I like that he’s focusing on policy and governing chops. Anti-Trump sentiment will buoy him regardless of whom his pick disappoints, but yeah some contingents will stay home regardless.

The only Democrats who will stay home are losers and idiots. My candidate didn’t win; I’m going to pull that lever for Biden regardless. This is way way way too important.

+1, many of us agree

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing to Kamala Harris. I think her look, charisma and credentials give be impression to many including me that she’s effective and detailed in her work and has thought through her positions and has a ton yet to offer. I don’t see any of that anymore, and she was a dud if we can tell it true during most of the hearings. No substance.

The candidates he should really look at are Demings and Warren. Different strengths but both truly amazing candidates. I love Abrams but I don’t think she’s in the running because of people seeing her in less-nationally notable positions- I don’t agree and think her founding of Fair Fight the minute the governorship was stolen from her should keep her top 3. But the world kind of sucks. (Exhibit A: Buttigieg was like soooo smart and special with his mayoralty; Abrams did and continues to do SO much more but...not experienced enough. Scoff.)

+1. I am Indian American and think Kamala is a dud with regards to well thought out policy positions.

Can someone explain, with details, the source of the anti-Harris sentiments. I’m in California, and I don’t think she lights up the stage with charisma or anything, but I think she’s a solid choice.
- She has a winning record as a candidate, in several races being elected as the first black woman in a position.
- She was the only state AG to meaningfully hold the banks accountable and get settlements for CA homeowners
- As a prosecutor, there’s no evidence that she was discriminatory or particularly harsh that I’ve found. In fact, I think she tried to use her role toward making the CJ system more fair.

I’m not saying there aren’t other strong candidates, but I don’t see her as obviously worse than anyone else...and maybe better in certain ways (e.g. her senate seat will remain safely Democratic).

The anti-Kamala stuff was from Bernie fans right out of the gate because when she declared, they thought she was his prime competition - this was way before Biden got in.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/27/us/politics/bernie-sanders-internet-supporters-2020.html

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Why is Whitmer out? I’m a huge Warren fan too. Truly truly think Harris is strongest as AG especially with all of the investigations that I assume will occur. I think some of you are overestimating the importance of having a black VP. More than anything we want someone that can do the job. It’s going to be tough. Can Warren serve two terms without risk for the congressional seat? There is no one on tap to step up after her? Good grief.

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing to Kamala Harris. I think her look, charisma and credentials give be impression to many including me that she’s effective and detailed in her work and has thought through her positions and has a ton yet to offer. I don’t see any of that anymore, and she was a dud if we can tell it true during most of the hearings. No substance.

The candidates he should really look at are Demings and Warren. Different strengths but both truly amazing candidates. I love Abrams but I don’t think she’s in the running because of people seeing her in less-nationally notable positions- I don’t agree and think her founding of Fair Fight the minute the governorship was stolen from her should keep her top 3. But the world kind of sucks. (Exhibit A: Buttigieg was like soooo smart and special with his mayoralty; Abrams did and continues to do SO much more but...not experienced enough. Scoff.)

+1. I am Indian American and think Kamala is a dud with regards to well thought out policy positions.

Can someone explain, with details, the source of the anti-Harris sentiments. I’m in California, and I don’t think she lights up the stage with charisma or anything, but I think she’s a solid choice.
- She has a winning record as a candidate, in several races being elected as the first black woman in a position.
- She was the only state AG to meaningfully hold the banks accountable and get settlements for CA homeowners
- As a prosecutor, there’s no evidence that she was discriminatory or particularly harsh that I’ve found. In fact, I think she tried to use her role toward making the CJ system more fair.

I’m not saying there aren’t other strong candidates, but I don’t see her as obviously worse than anyone else...and maybe better in certain ways (e.g. her senate seat will remain safely Democratic).

The anti-Kamala stuff was from Bernie fans right out of the gate because when she declared, they thought she was his prime competition - this was way before Biden got in.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/27/us/politics/bernie-sanders-internet-supporters-2020.html

DP, I’m a black Pp on the east coast and wrote a pretty lengthy post detailing why she wasn’t first choice a few pages back. Black people are now worried about retaliation from racists. We don’t want to ignite more years of fighting and bickering either. The GOPs answer to a black man was Trump. Not to say we let them impact everything, but the reality is that the voter base will dramatically change in 10 years. We know a women, minority, possibly even gay candidate is a possibility. But THIS election - we need someone that can really help repair the brokenness in your country. Kamala doesn’t seem empathetic enough to do that and most voters don’t really connect with her. I like Warren but understood the risks posed in Congress. Whitmer was my next vote because of her age, her authenticity, experience in responding to Teump’s bullying (coming under fire from red constituents won’t feel foreign), and think she would fit well with Joe Biden. And I also don’t like that Kamala got two faced and threw jabs out at Biden when more than anything during the debates we needed to see a unified party. There are opinions from both moderates and liberals that express valid concern for Harris. I also brought up the risk of speculation around her “loyalty” to the black community. I don’t care who she dates, but a lot of people give her the side eye for dating/marrying white and prosecuting black men with policies that are against the BLM movement.

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Your = our, sorry for typos, I’m an aa dmv native not a non-American foreigner weighing in here

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Anonymous wrote:Why is Whitmer out? I’m a huge Warren fan too. Truly truly think Harris is strongest as AG especially with all of the investigations that I assume will occur. I think some of you are overestimating the importance of having a black VP. More than anything we want someone that can do the job. It’s going to be tough. Can Warren serve two terms without risk for the congressional seat? There is no one on tap to step up after her? Good grief.

The concern is a Republican Governor appointing a Republican as her replacement.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is nothing to Kamala Harris. I think her look, charisma and credentials give be impression to many including me that she’s effective and detailed in her work and has thought through her positions and has a ton yet to offer. I don’t see any of that anymore, and she was a dud if we can tell it true during most of the hearings. No substance.

The candidates he should really look at are Demings and Warren. Different strengths but both truly amazing candidates. I love Abrams but I don’t think she’s in the running because of people seeing her in less-nationally notable positions- I don’t agree and think her founding of Fair Fight the minute the governorship was stolen from her should keep her top 3. But the world kind of sucks. (Exhibit A: Buttigieg was like soooo smart and special with his mayoralty; Abrams did and continues to do SO much more but...not experienced enough. Scoff.)

+1. I am Indian American and think Kamala is a dud with regards to well thought out policy positions.

Can someone explain, with details, the source of the anti-Harris sentiments. I’m in California, and I don’t think she lights up the stage with charisma or anything, but I think she’s a solid choice.
- She has a winning record as a candidate, in several races being elected as the first black woman in a position.
- She was the only state AG to meaningfully hold the banks accountable and get settlements for CA homeowners
- As a prosecutor, there’s no evidence that she was discriminatory or particularly harsh that I’ve found. In fact, I think she tried to use her role toward making the CJ system more fair.

I’m not saying there aren’t other strong candidates, but I don’t see her as obviously worse than anyone else...and maybe better in certain ways (e.g. her senate seat will remain safely Democratic).

The anti-Kamala stuff was from Bernie fans right out of the gate because when she declared, they thought she was his prime competition - this was way before Biden got in.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/27/us/politics/bernie-sanders-internet-supporters-2020.html

DP, I’m a black Pp on the east coast and wrote a pretty lengthy post detailing why she wasn’t first choice a few pages back. Black people are now worried about retaliation from racists. We don’t want to ignite more years of fighting and bickering either. The GOPs answer to a black man was Trump. Not to say we let them impact everything, but the reality is that the voter base will dramatically change in 10 years. We know a women, minority, possibly even gay candidate is a possibility. But THIS election - we need someone that can really help repair the brokenness in your country. Kamala doesn’t seem empathetic enough to do that and most voters don’t really connect with her. I like Warren but understood the risks posed in Congress. Whitmer was my next vote because of her age, her authenticity, experience in responding to Teump’s bullying (coming under fire from red constituents won’t feel foreign), and think she would fit well with Joe Biden. And I also don’t like that Kamala got two faced and threw jabs out at Biden when more than anything during the debates we needed to see a unified party. There are opinions from both moderates and liberals that express valid concern for Harris. I also brought up the risk of speculation around her “loyalty” to the black community. I don’t care who she dates, but a lot of people give her the side eye for dating/marrying white and prosecuting black men with policies that are against the BLM movement.

I agree that negative perception is a good enough reason not to pick someone as a running mate, but I was wondering if there were major policy concerns that make her less desirable than others. It doesn't seem like it. No one who has held elected office has a perfect record.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is Whitmer out? I’m a huge Warren fan too. Truly truly think Harris is strongest as AG especially with all of the investigations that I assume will occur. I think some of you are overestimating the importance of having a black VP. More than anything we want someone that can do the job. It’s going to be tough. Can Warren serve two terms without risk for the congressional seat? There is no one on tap to step up after her? Good grief.

Whitmer is out (and I am a huge fan) because she didn't handle her self all that well when she was being challenged on the pandemic.
Warren is non-starter because the MA Gov. is a republican and would be able to replace her with a republican.
Harris turned down AG under Obama. Why would she settle for that now?

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Anonymous wrote:Why is Whitmer out? I’m a huge Warren fan too. Truly truly think Harris is strongest as AG especially with all of the investigations that I assume will occur. I think some of you are overestimating the importance of having a black VP. More than anything we want someone that can do the job. It’s going to be tough. Can Warren serve two terms without risk for the congressional seat? There is no one on tap to step up after her? Good grief.

The concern is a Republican Governor appointing a Republican as her replacement.

I didn’t understand that at first, thank you for explaining.

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For the person asking about Harris. You have it completely wrong with respect to her prosecution of banks and inept handling of mortgage fraud. She jumped on the bandwagon late after Newsom took a public stance and other AGs and was not effective. There is also the issue of letting at least one major bank go scott free when there are serious issues regarding a conflict.

Here is some reading:
https://m.eastbayexpress.com/oakland/the-strike-force-that-never-struck/Content?oid=3933743

https://theintercept.com/2019/03/13/kamala-harris-mortage-crisis/

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/22/kamala-harris-attorney-general-california-housing-053716

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Anonymous wrote:Why is Whitmer out? I’m a huge Warren fan too. Truly truly think Harris is strongest as AG especially with all of the investigations that I assume will occur. I think some of you are overestimating the importance of having a black VP. More than anything we want someone that can do the job. It’s going to be tough. Can Warren serve two terms without risk for the congressional seat? There is no one on tap to step up after her? Good grief.

Whitmer is out (and I am a huge fan) because she didn't handle her self all that well when she was being challenged on the pandemic.
Warren is non-starter because the MA Gov. is a republican and would be able to replace her with a republican.
Harris turned down AG under Obama. Why would she settle for that now?

Because she had her shot at an executive position and fumbled. She might get a cabinet position. My guess, however, is it will be Susan Rice as Secretary of State.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is Whitmer out? I’m a huge Warren fan too. Truly truly think Harris is strongest as AG especially with all of the investigations that I assume will occur. I think some of you are overestimating the importance of having a black VP. More than anything we want someone that can do the job. It’s going to be tough. Can Warren serve two terms without risk for the congressional seat? There is no one on tap to step up after her? Good grief.

The concern is a Republican Governor appointing a Republican as her replacement.

I didn’t understand that at first, thank you for explaining.

That would be short term. Someone like Patrick could easily run next for the Senate seat and take it back permanently.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is Whitmer out? I’m a huge Warren fan too. Truly truly think Harris is strongest as AG especially with all of the investigations that I assume will occur. I think some of you are overestimating the importance of having a black VP. More than anything we want someone that can do the job. It’s going to be tough. Can Warren serve two terms without risk for the congressional seat? There is no one on tap to step up after her? Good grief.

The concern is a Republican Governor appointing a Republican as her replacement.

I didn’t understand that at first, thank you for explaining.

That would be short term. Someone like Patrick could easily run next for the Senate seat and take it back permanently.

Yes, but given that there's a slim (though better than before) chance for the Dems to take the senate this year, why risk the possibility of Biden starting his Presidency with a Democratic Senate even if the seat could eventually flip back to blue? This is a political consideration with tangible consequences, and I can promise you the Biden campaign is thinking about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is Whitmer out? I’m a huge Warren fan too. Truly truly think Harris is strongest as AG especially with all of the investigations that I assume will occur. I think some of you are overestimating the importance of having a black VP. More than anything we want someone that can do the job. It’s going to be tough. Can Warren serve two terms without risk for the congressional seat? There is no one on tap to step up after her? Good grief.

The concern is a Republican Governor appointing a Republican as her replacement.

I didn’t understand that at first, thank you for explaining.

That would be short term. Someone like Patrick could easily run next for the Senate seat and take it back permanently.

At this point, Warren is probably not going to get picked. It is 147 days until the elections. It is too late to guarantee a special election for this election cycle. By Massachusetts state law, a special election needs to be called for 145-160 days after the vacancy. But since it is too late to have a special election on election day, the governor can appoint a replacement. Warren's seat is not due for reelection until 2024, so Charlie Baker can appoint a replacement who will serve out the rest of Warren's term, e.g until 2024.

That means that should Warren resign, the Republicans will get a 54-46 majority as soon as an appointed replacement can make it to Washington. And that would mean that the Democrats would need 5 seats to gain the majority instead of 4 (assuming that Doug Jones loses in Alabama). It would be very risky for Biden to pull Warren from her Senate seat. The replacement would serve for 2 years, half of his presidency. That's a huge sacrifice and a long time (half of his term) to potentially lose the Senate Majority.

Warren needed to resign 2 weeks ago in order to ensure that there would be a special election this year to elect a replacement instead of having Charlie Baker appoint a replacement.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is Whitmer out? I’m a huge Warren fan too. Truly truly think Harris is strongest as AG especially with all of the investigations that I assume will occur. I think some of you are overestimating the importance of having a black VP. More than anything we want someone that can do the job. It’s going to be tough. Can Warren serve two terms without risk for the congressional seat? There is no one on tap to step up after her? Good grief.

The concern is a Republican Governor appointing a Republican as her replacement.

I didn’t understand that at first, thank you for explaining.

That would be short term. Someone like Patrick could easily run next for the Senate seat and take it back permanently.

At this point, Warren is probably not going to get picked. It is 147 days until the elections. It is too late to guarantee a special election for this election cycle. By Massachusetts state law, a special election needs to be called for 145-160 days after the vacancy. But since it is too late to have a special election on election day, the governor can appoint a replacement. Warren's seat is not due for reelection until 2024, so Charlie Baker can appoint a replacement who will serve out the rest of Warren's term, e.g until 2024.

That means that should Warren resign, the Republicans will get a 54-46 majority as soon as an appointed replacement can make it to Washington. And that would mean that the Democrats would need 5 seats to gain the majority instead of 4 (assuming that Doug Jones loses in Alabama). It would be very risky for Biden to pull Warren from her Senate seat. The replacement would serve for 2 years, half of his presidency. That's a huge sacrifice and a long time (half of his term) to potentially lose the Senate Majority.

Warren needed to resign 2 weeks ago in order to ensure that there would be a special election this year to elect a replacement instead of having Charlie Baker appoint a replacement.

Thank you for that briefing. I had no idea.