Biden's VP?

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Anonymous wrote:He’s going to lose some support regardless of who he chooses. The Democratic base is fractured like never before.

Is it? I'm not seeing that.

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Anonymous wrote:He’s going to lose some support regardless of who he chooses. The Democratic base is fractured like never before.

True, but I like that he’s focusing on policy and governing chops. Anti-Trump sentiment will buoy him regardless of whom his pick disappoints, but yeah some contingents will stay home regardless.

The only Democrats who will stay home are losers and idiots. My candidate didn’t win; I’m going to pull that lever for Biden regardless. This is way way way too important.

Sure wish people felt like that in 2016. Fingers crossed it doesn’t happen again.

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Anonymous wrote:Per PP, Abrams is not being vetted. Can we drop this and focus on the ones being vetted?

It's a two-person race now between Warren and Harris.

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Anonymous wrote:Per PP, Abrams is not being vetted. Can we drop this and focus on the ones being vetted?

It's a two-person race now between Warren and Harris.

I don't get that sense from the NYT article, they're just the best known and obvious choices to be vetted given their presidential runs.

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I don't think Harris is a strong choice.

Unfortunately, a black woman running as a VP candidate is going to cost the Democrats votes -- primarily among white blue-collar voters in the very states that Clinton narrowly lost in 2016 (WI, MI, PA).

However, Harris' career is also not going to sit well with progressives and anti-racists who want to upend the criminal justice system/law enforcement and dismantle systemic racism. She's was a DA and AG for her entire career before the Senate. Opposition research is going to have a field day with that, and she's going to have to a tough time winning over people who want to tear down the system she was part of for decades.

At the end of the day, Biden is going to choose the person that nets him the most votes, knowing that whoever he chooses will not sit well with some. Maybe that's Harris, but I'll be surprised.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think Harris is a strong choice.

Unfortunately, a black woman running as a VP candidate is going to cost the Democrats votes -- primarily among white blue-collar voters in the very states that Clinton narrowly lost in 2016 (WI, MI, PA).

However, Harris' career is also not going to sit well with progressives and anti-racists who want to upend the criminal justice system/law enforcement and dismantle systemic racism. She's was a DA and AG for her entire career before the Senate. Opposition research is going to have a field day with that, and she's going to have to a tough time winning over people who want to tear down the system she was part of for decades.

At the end of the day, Biden is going to choose the person that nets him the most votes, knowing that whoever he chooses will not sit well with some. Maybe that's Harris, but I'll be surprised.

+1 She's also more of a personality than a policy chops person at this point, doesn't really add much substance. She'll easily be painted as a no-integrity flip-flopper. Seems clear the candidates who would best appeal to swing state voters are Baldwin, Duckworth, Demings, and Whitmer. I'd be very happy with any of these four, though Baldwin and Duckworth seem strongest in terms of policy chops and Whitmer strongest in executive experience. Rice has the chops, but probably not much appeal in the Midwest and has no political campaigning experience.

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I love Duckworth, who has a new Time op-ed out:

https://time.com/5852951/duckworth-rename-military-bases/


I also didn't realize she earned a PhD! No not a prestigious uni since like many military folks she had to do it on-line, but an accomplishment nonetheless.

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Anonymous wrote:Per PP, Abrams is not being vetted. Can we drop this and focus on the ones being vetted?

It's a two-person race now between Warren and Harris.

So . . .

https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-blindsided-harris-attack-on-his-race-busing-record-2019-7

Harris, who is African-American and Indian-American, said to Biden, "I do not believe you are a racist and I agree with you when you commit yourself to the importance of finding common ground, but it's personal and it was hurtful to hear you talk about the reputations of two United States senators who built their reputations and career on the segregation of race in this country," she said, referring to Biden's close relationship with then-powerful Sen. James Eastland.

"There was a little girl in California who was part of the second class to integrate her public schools and she was bused to school every day," Harris added. "That little girl was me. So I will tell you that on this subject, it cannot be an intellectual debate among Democrats."

She doesn't believe he is a racist, but her example contradicts that statement.

She would be a hypocrite if she partnered with him. bottom line

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Anonymous wrote:Per PP, Abrams is not being vetted. Can we drop this and focus on the ones being vetted?

It's a two-person race now between Warren and Harris.

So . . .

https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-blindsided-harris-attack-on-his-race-busing-record-2019-7

Harris, who is African-American and Indian-American, said to Biden, "I do not believe you are a racist and I agree with you when you commit yourself to the importance of finding common ground, but it's personal and it was hurtful to hear you talk about the reputations of two United States senators who built their reputations and career on the segregation of race in this country," she said, referring to Biden's close relationship with then-powerful Sen. James Eastland.

"There was a little girl in California who was part of the second class to integrate her public schools and she was bused to school every day," Harris added. "That little girl was me. So I will tell you that on this subject, it cannot be an intellectual debate among Democrats."

She doesn't believe he is a racist, but her example contradicts that statement.

She would be a hypocrite if she partnered with him. bottom line

lol bottom line

well if you've declared the issue over, i guess it's over then

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He’s going to lose some support regardless of who he chooses. The Democratic base is fractured like never before.

so true

didn't get my vote during the primaries even though the rest are basically done

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Anonymous wrote:Michelle Obama. Total no-brainer. There's a reason the Obamas are so out there recently...

How many times, different ways, and different media does she need to say no before some of you will give this up?

She's very strongly for defeating Trump and electing Biden and has no interest in running as VP.

Michelle Obama would be a 10/10 VP choice. The rest of the field are just stat quo hacks who won't generate any excitement. Abrams is obnoxious. Michelle is smart, comforting and an Obama. Biden/Obama would win every state.

Michelle has no experience governing anything, and has not expressed any interest in governing anything, either. As much as I would love to see Trump taken down by an Obama, it is highly unlikely that she will be the choice.

MO couldn't even properly address the school lunch issue. She's going to take on the nation? lol

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think Harris is a strong choice.

Unfortunately, a black woman running as a VP candidate is going to cost the Democrats votes -- primarily among white blue-collar voters in the very states that Clinton narrowly lost in 2016 (WI, MI, PA).

However, Harris' career is also not going to sit well with progressives and anti-racists who want to upend the criminal justice system/law enforcement and dismantle systemic racism. She's was a DA and AG for her entire career before the Senate. Opposition research is going to have a field day with that, and she's going to have to a tough time winning over people who want to tear down the system she was part of for decades.

At the end of the day, Biden is going to choose the person that nets him the most votes, knowing that whoever he chooses will not sit well with some. Maybe that's Harris, but I'll be surprised.

I don’t believe it’s Harris. She is not relatable or charismatic. She doesn’t have kids (no family values message), she grew up well-off (the bus thing was laughable given her Father was a Stanford Professor ...she is no working class hero)and got her start by sleeping with a man twice her age who was still married (maybe separated but doesn’t matter), she is from California (a state Biden doesn’t need votes from). She declined as AG to step in with respect to the killing of Oscar Grant (so looks like BLM message when it’s convenient) and has been criticized by Judges for defending prosecutions when there were fake confessions and planted evidence. She also as AG stood bye and did not seek to enforce equality with respect to gay marriage. Further, there have been raised some conflict issues with her as AG and her husband’s business interests.

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I don’t believe it’s Harris. She is not relatable or charismatic. She doesn’t have kids (no family values message), she grew up well-off (the bus thing was laughable given her Father was a Stanford Professor ...she is no working class hero)and got her start by sleeping with a man twice her age who was still married (maybe separated but doesn’t matter), she is from California (a state Biden doesn’t need votes from). She declined as AG to step in with respect to the killing of Oscar Grant (so looks like BLM message when it’s convenient) and has been criticized by Judges for defending prosecutions when there were fake confessions and planted evidence. She also as AG stood bye and did not seek to enforce equality with respect to gay marriage. Further, there have been raised some conflict issues with her as AG and her husband’s business interests.

I researched the busing thing after that debate. The schools in Oakland were already integrated, but they were trying to get the ratios more even. She waa already attending an integrated school.

Also, both of her parents were academics. Her dad was from Jamaica and her mom from India. They divorced and she moved to Canada with her mom when she was twelve. She did attend Howard University--which is her only real experience with the more common experience of black Americans.
Of course, until he moved to Chicago, Obama's experience was not very similar to most black Americans.

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I don’t believe it’s Harris. She is not relatable or charismatic. She doesn’t have kids (no family values message), she grew up well-off (the bus thing was laughable given her Father was a Stanford Professor ...she is no working class hero)and got her start by sleeping with a man twice her age who was still married (maybe separated but doesn’t matter), she is from California (a state Biden doesn’t need votes from). She declined as AG to step in with respect to the killing of Oscar Grant (so looks like BLM message when it’s convenient) and has been criticized by Judges for defending prosecutions when there were fake confessions and planted evidence. She also as AG stood bye and did not seek to enforce equality with respect to gay marriage. Further, there have been raised some conflict issues with her as AG and her husband’s business interests.

I researched the busing thing after that debate. The schools in Oakland were already integrated, but they were trying to get the ratios more even. She waa already attending an integrated school.

Also, both of her parents were academics. Her dad was from Jamaica and her mom from India. They divorced and she moved to Canada with her mom when she was twelve. She did attend Howard University--which is her only real experience with the more common experience of black Americans.
Of course, until he moved to Chicago, Obama's experience was not very similar to most black Americans.

A woman won't get the same leeway Obama did, especially since her campaign and debate performances were such a mess comparatively. I truly don't see what she'd bring to a Biden ticket versus one of the Midwestern or Floridian candidates.

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing to Kamala Harris. I think her look, charisma and credentials give be impression to many including me that she’s effective and detailed in her work and has thought through her positions and has a ton yet to offer. I don’t see any of that anymore, and she was a dud if we can tell it true during most of the hearings. No substance.

The candidates he should really look at are Demings and Warren. Different strengths but both truly amazing candidates. I love Abrams but I don’t think she’s in the running because of people seeing her in less-nationally notable positions- I don’t agree and think her founding of Fair Fight the minute the governorship was stolen from her should keep her top 3. But the world kind of sucks. (Exhibit A: Buttigieg was like soooo smart and special with his mayoralty; Abrams did and continues to do SO much more but...not experienced enough. Scoff.)

+1. I am Indian American and think Kamala is a dud with regards to well thought out policy positions.

Can someone explain, with details, the source of the anti-Harris sentiments. I’m in California, and I don’t think she lights up the stage with charisma or anything, but I think she’s a solid choice.
- She has a winning record as a candidate, in several races being elected as the first black woman in a position.
- She was the only state AG to meaningfully hold the banks accountable and get settlements for CA homeowners
- As a prosecutor, there’s no evidence that she was discriminatory or particularly harsh that I’ve found. In fact, I think she tried to use her role toward making the CJ system more fair.

I’m not saying there aren’t other strong candidates, but I don’t see her as obviously worse than anyone else...and maybe better in certain ways (e.g. her senate seat will remain safely Democratic).