How long will the shutdown last?

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Anonymous wrote:I thought this would be it. I thought the Senate would reopen the government, for whatever short or long period of time. I thought we'd be done with this stupid stupid shutdown.

Not this week. Two shutdown measures rejected. Maybe next week?
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/426826-senate-rejects-two-measures-to-end-shutdown

More of the GOP is defecting on the Trump shutdown. It's only a matter of time.

GOP Sens. Lamar Alexander (Tenn.), Susan Collins (Maine), Cory Gardner (Colo.), Johnny Isakson (Ga.), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) and Mitt Romney (Nev.) broke rank and voted to advance the stopgap bill, which would have reopened the quarter of the government currently shuttered and funded it through Feb. 8.

More votes for the Schumer plan than the McConnell plan.

But the same Republicans also voted for the Trump bill first. This only means there are more moderate republicans than democrats.

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Anonymous wrote:It will never reopen. Mark my words. Until the wall
Is built.

Yes it will, GOP senators are slowly gathering their strength to act. There will never be a wall.

Yup, they're about to grow a pair. Finally.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=404nIIxiGFQ

Donald, you are not getting your wall.

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Anonymous wrote:Omg just vote to reopen without a wall! This is what the majority of Americans want.

The majority of the Senate does not represent the majority of Americans. It’s a problem.

It’s a problem, to you, that each state has two United States Senators?

It's not consistent with the principles of One Man, One Vote to have California (population 39 million) have the same number of Senators as Wyoming (population 573,000). But then again DC (population 1.5 million) has no Senators at all, so....no one ever said the US democracy was set up in an optimal way.

"One man one vote" means that each person gets one vote when choosing their elected officials. It doesn't mean each person gets "one vote" on whatever legislation Congress is considering.

Actually, the premise of “One man one vote” was established by Reynolds v. Sims, which dealt with discrepancies in population sizes of state legislative districts.
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/377/533/

LOL...how does that at all address what I said?

DP here. The Constitutional principle of assigning two Senators to each state regardless of size conflicts with the democratic principle of one man, one vote. The Senate was expressly designed as an anti- democratic institution. It's the Constitution, but that doesn't make it democratic. Or good.

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Anonymous wrote:It will never reopen. Mark my words. Until the wall
Is built.

You are a special kind of stupid. Have you not read estimates that it will take 10 years to fight all eminent domain cases they have to bring to acquire the private land to build the wall?

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Anonymous wrote:It will never reopen. Mark my words. Until the wall
Is built.

You are a special kind of stupid. Have you not read estimates that it will take 10 years to fight all eminent domain cases they have to bring to acquire the private land to build the wall?

To be fair Vlad grew up in a place that had no private land so the concept is foreign to him.

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Anonymous wrote:It will never reopen. Mark my words. Until the wall
Is built.

Yes it will, GOP senators are slowly gathering their strength to act. There will never be a wall.

Yup, they're about to grow a pair. Finally.

DJT is also on the verge of caving. So the shutdown will end next week--by Wed.

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The whole thing is so ridiculous.

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Dems got 52 votes, they need 67. Does anyone really think there are 15 r’s that will give up on the border?

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Anonymous wrote:Dems got 52 votes, they need 67. Does anyone really think there are 15 r’s that will give up on the border?

Yes. They are fed up with this idiotic sh*tshow that makes us a freaking laughingstock. They know the wall is a farce and will never be built.

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Anonymous wrote:Dems got 52 votes, they need 67. Does anyone really think there are 15 r’s that will give up on the border?

Took this from the other thread but - perhaps. https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/426896-gop-senators-read-pence-riot-act-before-shutdown-votes?amp&__twitter_impression=true

It honestly sounds like from some other articles, that D’s in the house and senate are willing to approve a pretty significant amount of money for border security,which includes more drones and surveillance, more border patrol agents, more enforcement of those who illegally enter the US by overstaying their visa, and even increased physical barriers in heavily-traveled areas. But the government has to reopen first. And not just for 2 weeks until the beginning of February.

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If I am hearing this right, Trump just caved. But, who knows what he will say tomorrow.

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Lindsay Graham, who was stomping his feet about a national emergency a few weeks ago, now wants a three-week CR.

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It is just dawning on the GOP Senate that maybe this was a bad idea.

Hmmm, perhaps they should have just voted for the clean CR on january 3 and told the President where to stick it.

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‘This is your fault’: GOP senators clash over shutdown inside private luncheon

Republican senators clashed with one another and confronted Vice President Pence inside a private luncheon on Thursday, as anger hit a boiling point over the longest government shutdown in history.

“This is your fault,” Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) told Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) at one point, according to two Republicans who attended the lunch and witnessed the exchange.

“Are you suggesting I’m enjoying this?” McConnell snapped back, according to the people who attended the lunch.

Also during the lunch, McConnell made clear to Pence and others in the room that the shutdown was not his idea and was not working. According to Republicans familiar with his comments, he quoted a favorite saying that he often uses to express his displeasure with government shutdowns: “There is no education in the second kick of a mule.”

McConnell started using that saying after the 2013 shutdown, which lasted 16 days and ended after the public largely blamed Republicans.

Awesome. I encourage Trump to keep on going another week or two so that GOP senator throw the turtle out and shutdown the wall and open the government.