Superintendent's Recommendation for Richard Montgomery ES #5 Boundaries

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:If you believe those commute times I have some free land in Russia for you. Don't be naive about traffic in this area.

Here is what Google maps says:

Monday @8:30AM Safeway - RPES 10-24 minutes
Monday @8:30AM Safeway - RMES5 12-26 minutes

Monday @3:30PM RPES - Safeway 10-16 minutes
Monday @3:30PM RMES5 - Safeway 12-18 minutes

So it adds, 2 minutes in Google maps for the best case and also for the worst case situation. Matches with what other poster working with logistics company was saying.

I guess for some parents, 4 minutes of extra round trip may be nothing and for some it will be too much. Parents are just coming from different views here, but it's an extra 4 minutes of round trip after a long bus ride. We all need to remember that.

It's not the *extra* time, it's the TOTAL time. The poster above listed estimates of up to 26 minutes total travel time on an average weekday morning. You're cool with sending your kindergartener on a 26 minute bus ride every day to their local elementary school? Because I'm not, and I don't know many parents who would not have issues with that for their 5 year old.

It is not an average weekday morning. 26 minutes is the worst case scenario, compared to 24 minutes the worst case scenario for the commute to RPES.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you believe those commute times I have some free land in Russia for you. Don't be naive about traffic in this area.

Here is what Google maps says:

Monday @8:30AM Safeway - RPES 10-24 minutes
Monday @8:30AM Safeway - RMES5 12-26 minutes

Monday @3:30PM RPES - Safeway 10-16 minutes
Monday @3:30PM RMES5 - Safeway 12-18 minutes

So it adds, 2 minutes in Google maps for the best case and also for the worst case situation. Matches with what other poster working with logistics company was saying.

I guess for some parents, 4 minutes of extra round trip may be nothing and for some it will be too much. Parents are just coming from different views here, but it's an extra 4 minutes of round trip after a long bus ride. We all need to remember that.

Not an RP parent but that doesn't take into consideration all the bus stops beforehand or traffic. They can't take 270 which is the quickest, right? We also don't know which tier the new RM school will be.

You would have the same bus stops whether you go to RPES or RMES5. Same difference.

Obviously. The point is some of these kids are on a bus for 30min. Adding even 3min more shouldn't be an option. Like another poster said. If you think it is no big deal offer up your own neighborhood for 20-30min commute twice a day for your ES kids. I am in RP1 and I see the Fallsgrove busses always coming last in the afternoon and many times getting there late in the morning. Just because they were placed far at RP from the beginning doesn't mean they should suck it up more because YOU think it is no big deal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

You realize most of these locations do not have HOA or civic committees to fight for them. Some people in these neighborhoods, in many of theses new situations don't even know about the quick last minute changes in options brought on by your doing, especially Twinbrook. The ones you fought so hard to remove from your new school. Now they are possibly being bussed 12-15min further away from their neighborhoods to further schools thanks to you.

I did see Hungerford write ups. They had couple of write ups for BOE. They actually asked T3 to be moved to RM#5 in many letters. Not sure if you saw it, but one of the BOE member sshowed it to me.



T3 to Hungerford ?? , why on earth would they pry a high FARMS neighborhood away from TB and into their low FARMs heaven ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You realize most of these locations do not have HOA or civic committees to fight for them. Some people in these neighborhoods, in many of theses new situations don't even know about the quick last minute changes in options brought on by your doing, especially Twinbrook. The ones you fought so hard to remove from your new school. Now they are possibly being bussed 12-15min further away from their neighborhoods to further schools thanks to you.

Thank you for your concern. Twinbrook's repeated requests to remain untouched will most likely be honored.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I did see Hungerford write ups. They had couple of write ups for BOE. They actually asked T3 to be moved to RM#5 in many letters. Not sure if you saw it, but one of the BOE member sshowed it to me.

Having said that, Hungerford should stop talking as if RM#5 belongs to them otherwise you will start looking like WG folks who think CG school belongs to them and they can't shift to second walk able school.

You got that wrong. It is not that CGES belongs to CG3, it is CG3 that belongs to CGES.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You realize most of these locations do not have HOA or civic committees to fight for them. Some people in these neighborhoods, in many of theses new situations don't even know about the quick last minute changes in options brought on by your doing, especially Twinbrook. The ones you fought so hard to remove from your new school. Now they are possibly being bussed 12-15min further away from their neighborhoods to further schools thanks to you.

I did see Hungerford write ups. They had couple of write ups for BOE. They actually asked T3 to be moved to RM#5 in many letters. Not sure if you saw it, but one of the BOE member sshowed it to me.

T3 to Hungerford ?? , why on earth would they pry a high FARMS neighborhood away from TB and into their low FARMs heaven ?


Well, I am just sharing what I saw. It may have been an attempt to balance capacity. I meant trying to reduce TB below 100%. I don't see any other reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But it is in other options brought on by the board when HCA complained about FARMS diversity.
Every option that tries to balance FARMS is a hardship for multiple sections and hasn't had any feasibility studies done. Not actual rush hour traffic times, not taking into consideration if there are enough busses. If those busses can hit some random areas and islands proficiently with full busses. If busses can get from JW in AM to the next set of stops, drop the kids off and still make it to their tier 2 bus stops and to that tier 2 school on time. How will the two tier times affect the new school. They were brought on WAY too quickly and it was obvious some of the board members are a little ticked the super even came up with his own crazy options on his own.

A and B should be the only options left on the table. The one HCA proposed (B) and the one that was the most popular in the study poll (A.)

Here is the feasability study: Travel time from JW to Fallsgrove hasn't changed. From Fallsgrove to RMES5 takes 2 extra minutes compared to RPES.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

You realize most of these locations do not have HOA or civic committees to fight for them. Some people in these neighborhoods, in many of theses new situations don't even know about the quick last minute changes in options brought on by your doing, especially Twinbrook. The ones you fought so hard to remove from your new school. Now they are possibly being bussed 12-15min further away from their neighborhoods to further schools thanks to you.

The board is the decider , the responsibility is all theirs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did see Hungerford write ups. They had couple of write ups for BOE. They actually asked T3 to be moved to RM#5 in many letters. Not sure if you saw it, but one of the BOE member sshowed it to me.

Having said that, Hungerford should stop talking as if RM#5 belongs to them otherwise you will start looking like WG folks who think CG school belongs to them and they can't shift to second walk able school.

You got that wrong. It is not that CGES belongs to CG3, it is CG3 that belongs to CGES.

Nope, Hungerford and WG, both talk as if MCPS school belongs to them. MCPS owns both schools and everyone should be ready to go anywhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did see Hungerford write ups. They had couple of write ups for BOE. They actually asked T3 to be moved to RM#5 in many letters. Not sure if you saw it, but one of the BOE member sshowed it to me.

Having said that, Hungerford should stop talking as if RM#5 belongs to them otherwise you will start looking like WG folks who think CG school belongs to them and they can't shift to second walk able school.

You got that wrong. It is not that CGES belongs to CG3, it is CG3 that belongs to CGES.

Nope, Hungerford and WG, both talk as if MCPS school belongs to them. MCPS owns both schools and everyone should be ready to go anywhere.

No , the school belongs to all of the taxpayers of MoCo. MCPS are just a bunch of bureaucrats that we elect to help us run it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you believe those commute times I have some free land in Russia for you. Don't be naive about traffic in this area.

Here is what Google maps says:

Monday @8:30AM Safeway - RPES 10-24 minutes
Monday @8:30AM Safeway - RMES5 12-26 minutes

Monday @3:30PM RPES - Safeway 10-16 minutes
Monday @3:30PM RMES5 - Safeway 12-18 minutes

So it adds, 2 minutes in Google maps for the best case and also for the worst case situation. Matches with what other poster working with logistics company was saying.

I guess for some parents, 4 minutes of extra round trip may be nothing and for some it will be too much. Parents are just coming from different views here, but it's an extra 4 minutes of round trip after a long bus ride. We all need to remember that.

Not an RP parent but that doesn't take into consideration all the bus stops beforehand or traffic. They can't take 270 which is the quickest, right? We also don't know which tier the new RM school will be.

You would have the same bus stops whether you go to RPES or RMES5. Same difference.

Obviously. The point is some of these kids are on a bus for 30min. Adding even 3min more shouldn't be an option. Like another poster said. If you think it is no big deal offer up your own neighborhood for 20-30min commute twice a day for your ES kids. I am in RP1 and I see the Fallsgrove busses always coming last in the afternoon and many times getting there late in the morning. Just because they were placed far at RP from the beginning doesn't mean they should suck it up more because YOU think it is no big deal.

All the estimates show a 2 minute difference, I don't know where you got the 3 from. I know it it is not easy. There should have been options with RP5 going to CG or Beall.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I did see Hungerford write ups. They had couple of write ups for BOE. They actually asked T3 to be moved to RM#5 in many letters. Not sure if you saw it, but one of the BOE member sshowed it to me.

T3 to Hungerford ?? , why on earth would they pry a high FARMS neighborhood away from TB and into their low FARMs heaven ?

Well, I am just sharing what I saw. It may have been an attempt to balance capacity. I meant trying to reduce TB below 100%. I don't see any other reason.

Well, we are not as bad as people might think. We are thinking about what's best for the cluster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:[

That intersection isn’t on the RP5 path

Every option that tries to balance FARMS is a hardship for multiple sections and hasn't had any feasibility studies done. Not actual rush hour traffic times, not taking into consideration if there are enough busses. If those busses can hit some random areas and islands proficiently with full busses. If busses can get from JW in AM to the next set of stops, drop the kids off and still make it to their tier 2 bus stops and to that tier 2 school on time. How will the two tier times affect the new school. They were brought on WAY too quickly and it was obvious some of the board members are a little ticked the super even came up with his own crazy options on his own.

A and B should be the only options left on the table. The one HCA proposed (B) and the one that was the most popular in the study poll (A.)

A is worst choice. I don't want to see CG in portable forever. Give us some break. Don't listen to only WG folks.

- CG parent

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did see Hungerford write ups. They had couple of write ups for BOE. They actually asked T3 to be moved to RM#5 in many letters. Not sure if you saw it, but one of the BOE member sshowed it to me.

Having said that, Hungerford should stop talking as if RM#5 belongs to them otherwise you will start looking like WG folks who think CG school belongs to them and they can't shift to second walk able school.

You got that wrong. It is not that CGES belongs to CG3, it is CG3 that belongs to CGES.

Nope, Hungerford and WG, both talk as if MCPS school belongs to them. MCPS owns both schools and everyone should be ready to go anywhere.

No , the school belongs to all of the taxpayers of MoCo. MCPS are just a bunch of bureaucrats that we elect to help us run it.

Well, school collectively belongs to all tax payers and not exclusively to WG or Hungerfrod groups. That was the point here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Every option that tries to balance FARMS is a hardship for multiple sections and hasn't had any feasibility studies done. Not actual rush hour traffic times, not taking into consideration if there are enough busses. If those busses can hit some random areas and islands proficiently with full busses. If busses can get from JW in AM to the next set of stops, drop the kids off and still make it to their tier 2 bus stops and to that tier 2 school on time. How will the two tier times affect the new school. They were brought on WAY too quickly and it was obvious some of the board members are a little ticked the super even came up with his own crazy options on his own.

A and B should be the only options left on the table. The one HCA proposed (B) and the one that was the most popular in the study poll (A.)

A is worst choice. I don't want to see CG in portable forever. Give us some break. Don't listen to only WG folks.

- CG parent

Why do people think that this is a popularity contest?