Superintendent's Recommendation for Richard Montgomery ES #5 Boundaries

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Thank you for the great plug , we live in a great and historic neighborhood (named after Hungerford tavern where Hungerford Resolves were first proclaimed). Our civic association is top notch and will fight for your rights . We also hold regular picnics . Please come join us.

This community will have to be brought together again after this mess.

[Anonymous]

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Its a free country anyone can voice an opinion on "The Internets" .

Perhaps B2 should be rezoned to another school...

Beall sounds fine to me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you believe those commute times I have some free land in Russia for you. Don't be naive about traffic in this area.

Here is what Google maps says:

Monday @8:30AM Safeway - RPES 10-24 minutes
Monday @8:30AM Safeway - RMES5 12-26 minutes

Monday @3:30PM RPES - Safeway 10-16 minutes
Monday @3:30PM RMES5 - Safeway 12-18 minutes

So it adds, 2 minutes in Google maps for the best case and also for the worst case situation. Matches with what other poster working with logistics company was saying.

I guess for some parents, 4 minutes of extra round trip may be nothing and for some it will be too much. Parents are just coming from different views here, but it's an extra 4 minutes of round trip after a long bus ride. We all need to remember that.

Not an RP parent but that doesn't take into consideration all the bus stops beforehand or traffic. They can't take 270 which is the quickest, right? We also don't know which tier the new RM school will be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Its a free country anyone can voice an opinion on "The Internets" .

Perhaps B2 should be rezoned to another school...

Beall sounds fine to me.

No, College Gardens seems like a better fit, especially since parents in that zone aren't worried about geographic proximity to schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you believe those commute times I have some free land in Russia for you. Don't be naive about traffic in this area.

Here is what Google maps says:

Monday @8:30AM Safeway - RPES 10-24 minutes
Monday @8:30AM Safeway - RMES5 12-26 minutes

Monday @3:30PM RPES - Safeway 10-16 minutes
Monday @3:30PM RMES5 - Safeway 12-18 minutes

So it adds, 2 minutes in Google maps for the best case and also for the worst case situation. Matches with what other poster working with logistics company was saying.

I guess for some parents, 4 minutes of extra round trip may be nothing and for some it will be too much. Parents are just coming from different views here, but it's an extra 4 minutes of round trip after a long bus ride. We all need to remember that.

Not an RP parent but that doesn't take into consideration all the bus stops beforehand or traffic. They can't take 270 which is the quickest, right? We also don't know which tier the new RM school will be.

Correct - travel time using Google Maps does not factor in multiple bus stops. In terms of *can't* take 270 - buses are allowed to do so - my son reports that in the afternoon his bus goes back home on 270. But trying to use 270 to get to either Ritchie Park or RM ES #5 in the morning would be horrendous due to the traffic congestion getting on to and being on 270.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Its a free country anyone can voice an opinion on "The Internets" .

Perhaps B2 should be rezoned to another school...

Beall sounds fine to me.

No, College Gardens seems like a better fit, especially since parents in that zone aren't worried about geographic proximity to schools.

I'd take CG also.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Right here. YOU are the reason I hope A or B gets picked. Your mother f'ing association cherry picked neighborhoods to make B and then E comes out and you go gaga over that and abandon YOUR own changes.

It disrupts B5 who is walkable and sends them on a bus to RM5 down the pike AND RP2 (in your neighborhood) which is 100% walkable gets turned away to keep getting bussed. It also magically makes your FARMS in the teens which is insane considering your closest school across 355 has 70%.

You are disgusting.

Not sure why you are so upset, but yeah the HCA did a kick-ass job under the circumstances. Thank you for acknowledging that.

Your mother f'ing association cherry picked neighborhoods to make B

Why didn't your association do that ? I believe someone from the association was asked by the BOE to come with an alternative ,hence they proposed a flawed option which they abandoned when a better one came about.

It disrupts B5 who is walkable and sends them on a bus to RM5 down the pike AND RP2 (in your neighborhood) which is 100% walkable gets turned away to keep getting bussed

Walkability must be important to you , but not to me or probably the board... sorry

It also magically makes your FARMS in the teens which is insane considering your closest school across 355 has 70%.

factually incorrect , no point refuting .. tons been written on the topic

You are disgusting.

I'm sorry you feel this way . I'm not that bad , really.

You realize most of these locations do not have HOA or civic committees to fight for them. Some people in these neighborhoods, in many of theses new situations don't even know about the quick last minute changes in options brought on by your doing, especially Twinbrook. The ones you fought so hard to remove from your new school. Now they are possibly being bussed 12-15min further away from their neighborhoods to further schools thanks to you.

[Anonymous]

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Perhaps B2 should be rezoned to another school...

Beall sounds fine to me.

No, College Gardens seems like a better fit, especially since parents in that zone aren't worried about geographic proximity to schools.

Great idea specifically given that CG doesn't seems to care about keeping or adding portables. Add more to CG. I am for it.


- CG parent ( just a humor by taking advantage of previous lines , you guys can have a go at each other, I am out)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Option E isn't just about Fallsgrove increased bus time.

It is about moving a walkable neighborhood surrounded by other RM sections and bussing them to RP.

It increases RP6 bus time

It increases B5 bus time and doesn't allow the closest kids to walk/bike to school.

It islands B8

It increases everyone but B3 who is going to school in every option.

Thank you!

Not worth the cost for a few percentages in FARMS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Right here. YOU are the reason I hope A or B gets picked. Your mother f'ing association cherry picked neighborhoods to make B and then E comes out and you go gaga over that and abandon YOUR own changes.

It disrupts B5 who is walkable and sends them on a bus to RM5 down the pike AND RP2 (in your neighborhood) which is 100% walkable gets turned away to keep getting bussed. It also magically makes your FARMS in the teens which is insane considering your closest school across 355 has 70%.

You are disgusting.

Not sure why you are so upset, but yeah the HCA did a kick-ass job under the circumstances. Thank you for acknowledging that.

Your mother f'ing association cherry picked neighborhoods to make B

Why didn't your association do that ? I believe someone from the association was asked by the BOE to come with an alternative ,hence they proposed a flawed option which they abandoned when a better one came about.

It disrupts B5 who is walkable and sends them on a bus to RM5 down the pike AND RP2 (in your neighborhood) which is 100% walkable gets turned away to keep getting bussed

Walkability must be important to you , but not to me or probably the board... sorry

It also magically makes your FARMS in the teens which is insane considering your closest school across 355 has 70%.

factually incorrect , no point refuting .. tons been written on the topic

You are disgusting.

I'm sorry you feel this way . I'm not that bad , really.

You realize most of these locations do not have HOA or civic committees to fight for them. Some people in these neighborhoods, in many of theses new situations don't even know about the quick last minute changes in options brought on by your doing, especially Twinbrook. The ones you fought so hard to remove from your new school. Now they are possibly being bussed 12-15min further away from their neighborhoods to further schools thanks to you.

I did see Hungerford write ups. They had couple of write ups for BOE. They actually asked T3 to be moved to RM#5 in many letters. Not sure if you saw it, but one of the BOE member sshowed it to me.

Having said that, Hungerford should stop talking as if RM#5 belongs to them otherwise you will start looking like WG folks who think CG school belongs to them and they can't shift to second walk able school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's great to be able to see this from an outsider's perspective - it must be very entertaining and a relief that you're not embroiled in it! Since you're not from the area, I'll enlighten you that traffic on the routes I described are not occasional - those routes are congested at rush hour EVERY. SINGLE. MORNING.

I am curious: is it congested only on the way to the new school or it is congested also on the way to Ritchie Park?

Both. And for those who are going to suggest going to Beall or CG instead (which aren't options under consideration) Rt. 28 is also bumper to bumper from Fallsgrove to Nelson Street at 8:30 a.m. on weekdays. The alternate way to get to College Gardens (and more circuitously, Beall, would be to take Gude to 355, which as CG2 can attest, is not a great option at rush hour, either.

If the two routes are equally congested, that means 2 extra minutes (26 minutes instead of 24).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you believe those commute times I have some free land in Russia for you. Don't be naive about traffic in this area.

Here is what Google maps says:

Monday @8:30AM Safeway - RPES 10-24 minutes
Monday @8:30AM Safeway - RMES5 12-26 minutes

Monday @3:30PM RPES - Safeway 10-16 minutes
Monday @3:30PM RMES5 - Safeway 12-18 minutes

So it adds, 2 minutes in Google maps for the best case and also for the worst case situation. Matches with what other poster working with logistics company was saying.

I guess for some parents, 4 minutes of extra round trip may be nothing and for some it will be too much. Parents are just coming from different views here, but it's an extra 4 minutes of round trip after a long bus ride. We all need to remember that.

Not an RP parent but that doesn't take into consideration all the bus stops beforehand or traffic. They can't take 270 which is the quickest, right? We also don't know which tier the new RM school will be.

You would have the same bus stops whether you go to RPES or RMES5. Same difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Its a free country anyone can voice an opinion on "The Internets" .

Perhaps B2 should be rezoned to another school...

Beall sounds fine to me.

No, College Gardens seems like a better fit, especially since parents in that zone aren't worried about geographic proximity to schools.

I'd take CG also.

CG is all set for keeping portables after WG drama of not wanting to change schools. You can pile on here, we can have more portables.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you believe those commute times I have some free land in Russia for you. Don't be naive about traffic in this area.

I am actually fully familiar with all roads in this area due to my job.

What's your estimate for additional time for Fallsgrove to Rm#5 when compared to RP?

Not PP here, but I estimate 12-15 minutes traffic RP5 to RP and 15-20 to RMES5, depending on whether the light at Falls Rd is red. The time to make the left onto Edmonston is about the same as the time to make the left onto Dunster. The time from Falls Rd to Edmonston and Edmonston to RMES5 is probably 5 minutes more than the time down Falls rd to Dunster (common to hit lees at Kersey). The variable is whether the bus could make a right on red at Falls vs waiting to cross

The intersection of Edmonston and Wotten pkwy is pretty messed , they better study it and add a lane.

How about the Edmonston and Pike intersection? That is a nightmare backed up every morning and evening 2-3 lights.

That intersection isn’t on the RP5 path

But it is in other options brought on by the board when HCA complained about FARMS diversity.
Every option that tries to balance FARMS is a hardship for multiple sections and hasn't had any feasibility studies done. Not actual rush hour traffic times, not taking into consideration if there are enough busses. If those busses can hit some random areas and islands proficiently with full busses. If busses can get from JW in AM to the next set of stops, drop the kids off and still make it to their tier 2 bus stops and to that tier 2 school on time. How will the two tier times affect the new school. They were brought on WAY too quickly and it was obvious some of the board members are a little ticked the super even came up with his own crazy options on his own.

A and B should be the only options left on the table. The one HCA proposed (B) and the one that was the most popular in the study poll (A.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are you framing this as RP2 isn't "welcome to stay" at Ritchie Park??? RP6 is also moving in the same scenarios - is RP6 also not welcome at Ritchie Park? In the scenarios where RP5 moves, is it because Fallsgrove is not welcome at Ritchie Park???

Ritchie Park would love to have students from RP2 & RP6 stay, just like Ritchie Park would love to have all of their students stay because people are friends and kids like the school (but that's not the point in a boundary rezoning!) - I go to Ritchie Park - the parents in RP2 are my friends, the children in RP2 are my child's friends. No one wants them to leave. There is a new school opening - SOME children will need to leave every school. No one is kicking anyone out - the parents at the schools didn't draw the zoning and boundary option maps (except, Alternative B, of course!). All of the parents I have talked to in RP2 (yes, I've talked to actual human beings who live in RP2!) want to go to the new school. They expected to go to the new school. Some of those parents live in the single family homes in the neighborhood, some of those parents live in the lower income housing. There are always some people who don't want to go to a new school in a zone (I think we can all think of some examples), and I've spoken to a few who love Ritchie Park and want to stay, but in general, RP2 (the actual human beings who live there and can speak their own opinions) want to go to a new school in their neighborhood. No one is kicking them out.

This is a really good attitude. RP2 students should feel welcome whether they stay in RPES or they come to RMES5. If this was only a question of proximity, they would definitely be assigned in RMES5. But if it a question of which school can serve them better, RPES is the obvious choice.