Federal judge rules that admissions changes at nation’s top public school discriminate against Asian

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Anonymous wrote:There are many courses at TJ not available online or through dual enrollment at other FCPS schools. At all other FCPS schools, kids can take 1 year of DE post AP math. After that, there’s nothing. TJ has several extra DE options and post AP courses.

Supplementing costs money. Every kid in FCPS should have access to an education that is free and appropriate for their level of advancement

Here's the reality - for whatever reason, there have always been kids at schools like Langley, McLean, Oakton, and Chantilly who have run out of math because they either didn't get into or didn't apply for TJ. That becomes far less likely under the current admissions process as advanced math students are dispersed back into their base school environments. Before too long, you will see Complex Analysis, Discrete Math, and other advanced topics become commonplace at base schools, which is a good thing for everyone as the population becomes more and more accelerated. It might only be one section at first, but it will exist.

McLean already has a large number of kids who have run out of math and need more advanced classes. McLean also has some of the highest achieving STEM kids in the state - Mclean's It's academic team and Math team are arguably on par with TJ's and a McLean Sr. has been the best or one of the best math students in the state the last 6 years. Yet, McLean hasn't adopted the complex analysis, etc... it's not due to lack of demand... I don't think FCPS has the supply of teachers to teach those courses. That's why TJ exists. And the former and present admissions process has/will denied many deserving McLean kids of these opportunities.

This. I don't necessarily feel that FCPS is obligated to place the most hyperaccelerated kids into TJ. They do, however, have an obligation to provide those kids with appropriate math courses. Admitting them to TJ would be the cheapest and logistically cheapest way to provide multiple years of post-AP math to the kids who need it. But, if instead FCPS wants to provide all of the post AP courses at McLean and Langley, as well as pay for any student to take courses at GMU if their school doesn't have appropriate offerings, that would be fine. Instead, FCPS seems to be rejecting kids like this from TJ, and then failing to provide appropriate math courses at the base school.

They have an obligation to provide an appropriate public education. They do not have an obligation to indulge parents who pushed their kids to take calc as sophomores.

Why are you so threatened by kids who are smarter and more motivated than your kid? That’s the only reason any rational person would oppose providing appropriate coursework for all students.

Rational people would realize that resources are finite and wouldn't support special classes for a couple of kids

The entire context here is that McLean and Langley now have a sufficient cohort to offer the classes. It's not for a couple kids. Rationally speaking, FCPS needs to provide 4 years of appropriate level high school math to all high school students. If the cohort at the base school is insufficient, then the kids should be admitted to TJ. If the cohort at the base school is sufficient, then the kids can receive services there.

That's guaranteed admission to TJ for anyone zoned to MVHS and even taking Algebra in 7th

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Anonymous wrote:There are many courses at TJ not available online or through dual enrollment at other FCPS schools. At all other FCPS schools, kids can take 1 year of DE post AP math. After that, there’s nothing. TJ has several extra DE options and post AP courses.

Supplementing costs money. Every kid in FCPS should have access to an education that is free and appropriate for their level of advancement

Here's the reality - for whatever reason, there have always been kids at schools like Langley, McLean, Oakton, and Chantilly who have run out of math because they either didn't get into or didn't apply for TJ. That becomes far less likely under the current admissions process as advanced math students are dispersed back into their base school environments. Before too long, you will see Complex Analysis, Discrete Math, and other advanced topics become commonplace at base schools, which is a good thing for everyone as the population becomes more and more accelerated. It might only be one section at first, but it will exist.

McLean already has a large number of kids who have run out of math and need more advanced classes. McLean also has some of the highest achieving STEM kids in the state - Mclean's It's academic team and Math team are arguably on par with TJ's and a McLean Sr. has been the best or one of the best math students in the state the last 6 years. Yet, McLean hasn't adopted the complex analysis, etc... it's not due to lack of demand... I don't think FCPS has the supply of teachers to teach those courses. That's why TJ exists. And the former and present admissions process has/will denied many deserving McLean kids of these opportunities.

This. I don't necessarily feel that FCPS is obligated to place the most hyperaccelerated kids into TJ. They do, however, have an obligation to provide those kids with appropriate math courses. Admitting them to TJ would be the cheapest and logistically cheapest way to provide multiple years of post-AP math to the kids who need it. But, if instead FCPS wants to provide all of the post AP courses at McLean and Langley, as well as pay for any student to take courses at GMU if their school doesn't have appropriate offerings, that would be fine. Instead, FCPS seems to be rejecting kids like this from TJ, and then failing to provide appropriate math courses at the base school.

They have an obligation to provide an appropriate public education. They do not have an obligation to indulge parents who pushed their kids to take calc as sophomores.

Why are you so threatened by kids who are smarter and more motivated than your kid? That’s the only reason any rational person would oppose providing appropriate coursework for all students.

Rational people would realize that resources are finite and wouldn't support special classes for a couple of kids

The entire context here is that McLean and Langley now have a sufficient cohort to offer the classes. It's not for a couple kids. Rationally speaking, FCPS needs to provide 4 years of appropriate level high school math to all high school students. If the cohort at the base school is insufficient, then the kids should be admitted to TJ. If the cohort at the base school is sufficient, then the kids can receive services there.

That's guaranteed admission to TJ for anyone zoned to MVHS and even taking Algebra in 7th

Guaranteed admission to TJ isn't necessary. It is, however, necessary for FCPS to have some reasonable plan for the kids who will exceed the classes offered at their base school. For the kids who lack sufficient cohort, admission to TJ would be the cheapest and easiest plan. FCPS certainly could come up with alternate plans, like maybe extra academy programs or paying for university classes. For the schools that have a sufficient cohort, the additional classes should be offered there.

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TJ is not for remedial math. Equity kids, please stay at your base school.

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Anonymous wrote:There are many courses at TJ not available online or through dual enrollment at other FCPS schools. At all other FCPS schools, kids can take 1 year of DE post AP math. After that, there’s nothing. TJ has several extra DE options and post AP courses.

Supplementing costs money. Every kid in FCPS should have access to an education that is free and appropriate for their level of advancement

Here's the reality - for whatever reason, there have always been kids at schools like Langley, McLean, Oakton, and Chantilly who have run out of math because they either didn't get into or didn't apply for TJ. That becomes far less likely under the current admissions process as advanced math students are dispersed back into their base school environments. Before too long, you will see Complex Analysis, Discrete Math, and other advanced topics become commonplace at base schools, which is a good thing for everyone as the population becomes more and more accelerated. It might only be one section at first, but it will exist.

McLean already has a large number of kids who have run out of math and need more advanced classes. McLean also has some of the highest achieving STEM kids in the state - Mclean's It's academic team and Math team are arguably on par with TJ's and a McLean Sr. has been the best or one of the best math students in the state the last 6 years. Yet, McLean hasn't adopted the complex analysis, etc... it's not due to lack of demand... I don't think FCPS has the supply of teachers to teach those courses. That's why TJ exists. And the former and present admissions process has/will denied many deserving McLean kids of these opportunities.

This. I don't necessarily feel that FCPS is obligated to place the most hyperaccelerated kids into TJ. They do, however, have an obligation to provide those kids with appropriate math courses. Admitting them to TJ would be the cheapest and logistically cheapest way to provide multiple years of post-AP math to the kids who need it. But, if instead FCPS wants to provide all of the post AP courses at McLean and Langley, as well as pay for any student to take courses at GMU if their school doesn't have appropriate offerings, that would be fine. Instead, FCPS seems to be rejecting kids like this from TJ, and then failing to provide appropriate math courses at the base school.

They have an obligation to provide an appropriate public education. They do not have an obligation to indulge parents who pushed their kids to take calc as sophomores.

Why are you so threatened by kids who are smarter and more motivated than your kid? That’s the only reason any rational person would oppose providing appropriate coursework for all students.

Rational people would realize that resources are finite and wouldn't support special classes for a couple of kids

The entire context here is that McLean and Langley now have a sufficient cohort to offer the classes. It's not for a couple kids. Rationally speaking, FCPS needs to provide 4 years of appropriate level high school math to all high school students. If the cohort at the base school is insufficient, then the kids should be admitted to TJ. If the cohort at the base school is sufficient, then the kids can receive services there.

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Anonymous wrote:TJ is not for remedial math. Equity kids, please stay at your base school.

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Anonymous wrote:There are many courses at TJ not available online or through dual enrollment at other FCPS schools. At all other FCPS schools, kids can take 1 year of DE post AP math. After that, there’s nothing. TJ has several extra DE options and post AP courses.

Supplementing costs money. Every kid in FCPS should have access to an education that is free and appropriate for their level of advancement

Here's the reality - for whatever reason, there have always been kids at schools like Langley, McLean, Oakton, and Chantilly who have run out of math because they either didn't get into or didn't apply for TJ. That becomes far less likely under the current admissions process as advanced math students are dispersed back into their base school environments. Before too long, you will see Complex Analysis, Discrete Math, and other advanced topics become commonplace at base schools, which is a good thing for everyone as the population becomes more and more accelerated. It might only be one section at first, but it will exist.

McLean already has a large number of kids who have run out of math and need more advanced classes. McLean also has some of the highest achieving STEM kids in the state - Mclean's It's academic team and Math team are arguably on par with TJ's and a McLean Sr. has been the best or one of the best math students in the state the last 6 years. Yet, McLean hasn't adopted the complex analysis, etc... it's not due to lack of demand... I don't think FCPS has the supply of teachers to teach those courses. That's why TJ exists. And the former and present admissions process has/will denied many deserving McLean kids of these opportunities.

This. I don't necessarily feel that FCPS is obligated to place the most hyperaccelerated kids into TJ. They do, however, have an obligation to provide those kids with appropriate math courses. Admitting them to TJ would be the cheapest and logistically cheapest way to provide multiple years of post-AP math to the kids who need it. But, if instead FCPS wants to provide all of the post AP courses at McLean and Langley, as well as pay for any student to take courses at GMU if their school doesn't have appropriate offerings, that would be fine. Instead, FCPS seems to be rejecting kids like this from TJ, and then failing to provide appropriate math courses at the base school.

They have an obligation to provide an appropriate public education. They do not have an obligation to indulge parents who pushed their kids to take calc as sophomores.

Why are you so threatened by kids who are smarter and more motivated than your kid? That’s the only reason any rational person would oppose providing appropriate coursework for all students.

Rational people would realize that resources are finite and wouldn't support special classes for a couple of kids

The entire context here is that McLean and Langley now have a sufficient cohort to offer the classes. It's not for a couple kids. Rationally speaking, FCPS needs to provide 4 years of appropriate level high school math to all high school students. If the cohort at the base school is insufficient, then the kids should be admitted to TJ. If the cohort at the base school is sufficient, then the kids can receive services there.

LOL you really need to move along. Sorry you can't buy the test anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:There are many courses at TJ not available online or through dual enrollment at other FCPS schools. At all other FCPS schools, kids can take 1 year of DE post AP math. After that, there’s nothing. TJ has several extra DE options and post AP courses.

Supplementing costs money. Every kid in FCPS should have access to an education that is free and appropriate for their level of advancement

Here's the reality - for whatever reason, there have always been kids at schools like Langley, McLean, Oakton, and Chantilly who have run out of math because they either didn't get into or didn't apply for TJ. That becomes far less likely under the current admissions process as advanced math students are dispersed back into their base school environments. Before too long, you will see Complex Analysis, Discrete Math, and other advanced topics become commonplace at base schools, which is a good thing for everyone as the population becomes more and more accelerated. It might only be one section at first, but it will exist.

McLean already has a large number of kids who have run out of math and need more advanced classes. McLean also has some of the highest achieving STEM kids in the state - Mclean's It's academic team and Math team are arguably on par with TJ's and a McLean Sr. has been the best or one of the best math students in the state the last 6 years. Yet, McLean hasn't adopted the complex analysis, etc... it's not due to lack of demand... I don't think FCPS has the supply of teachers to teach those courses. That's why TJ exists. And the former and present admissions process has/will denied many deserving McLean kids of these opportunities.

This. I don't necessarily feel that FCPS is obligated to place the most hyperaccelerated kids into TJ. They do, however, have an obligation to provide those kids with appropriate math courses. Admitting them to TJ would be the cheapest and logistically cheapest way to provide multiple years of post-AP math to the kids who need it. But, if instead FCPS wants to provide all of the post AP courses at McLean and Langley, as well as pay for any student to take courses at GMU if their school doesn't have appropriate offerings, that would be fine. Instead, FCPS seems to be rejecting kids like this from TJ, and then failing to provide appropriate math courses at the base school.

They have an obligation to provide an appropriate public education. They do not have an obligation to indulge parents who pushed their kids to take calc as sophomores.

Why are you so threatened by kids who are smarter and more motivated than your kid? That’s the only reason any rational person would oppose providing appropriate coursework for all students.

Rational people would realize that resources are finite and wouldn't support special classes for a couple of kids

The entire context here is that McLean and Langley now have a sufficient cohort to offer the classes. It's not for a couple kids. Rationally speaking, FCPS needs to provide 4 years of appropriate level high school math to all high school students. If the cohort at the base school is insufficient, then the kids should be admitted to TJ. If the cohort at the base school is sufficient, then the kids can receive services there.

That's guaranteed admission to TJ for anyone zoned to MVHS and even taking Algebra in 7th

Guaranteed admission to TJ isn't necessary. It is, however, necessary for FCPS to have some reasonable plan for the kids who will exceed the classes offered at their base school. For the kids who lack sufficient cohort, admission to TJ would be the cheapest and easiest plan. FCPS certainly could come up with alternate plans, like maybe extra academy programs or paying for university classes. For the schools that have a sufficient cohort, the additional classes should be offered there.

If you look at the number of kids taking post calculus math at MVHS, anyone on that track would lack a cohort at their base school. There are no universities near the eastern part of the county and there are no academies, so that leaves TJ

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Anonymous wrote:There are many courses at TJ not available online or through dual enrollment at other FCPS schools. At all other FCPS schools, kids can take 1 year of DE post AP math. After that, there’s nothing. TJ has several extra DE options and post AP courses.

Supplementing costs money. Every kid in FCPS should have access to an education that is free and appropriate for their level of advancement

Here's the reality - for whatever reason, there have always been kids at schools like Langley, McLean, Oakton, and Chantilly who have run out of math because they either didn't get into or didn't apply for TJ. That becomes far less likely under the current admissions process as advanced math students are dispersed back into their base school environments. Before too long, you will see Complex Analysis, Discrete Math, and other advanced topics become commonplace at base schools, which is a good thing for everyone as the population becomes more and more accelerated. It might only be one section at first, but it will exist.

McLean already has a large number of kids who have run out of math and need more advanced classes. McLean also has some of the highest achieving STEM kids in the state - Mclean's It's academic team and Math team are arguably on par with TJ's and a McLean Sr. has been the best or one of the best math students in the state the last 6 years. Yet, McLean hasn't adopted the complex analysis, etc... it's not due to lack of demand... I don't think FCPS has the supply of teachers to teach those courses. That's why TJ exists. And the former and present admissions process has/will denied many deserving McLean kids of these opportunities.

This. I don't necessarily feel that FCPS is obligated to place the most hyperaccelerated kids into TJ. They do, however, have an obligation to provide those kids with appropriate math courses. Admitting them to TJ would be the cheapest and logistically cheapest way to provide multiple years of post-AP math to the kids who need it. But, if instead FCPS wants to provide all of the post AP courses at McLean and Langley, as well as pay for any student to take courses at GMU if their school doesn't have appropriate offerings, that would be fine. Instead, FCPS seems to be rejecting kids like this from TJ, and then failing to provide appropriate math courses at the base school.

They have an obligation to provide an appropriate public education. They do not have an obligation to indulge parents who pushed their kids to take calc as sophomores.

Why are you so threatened by kids who are smarter and more motivated than your kid? That’s the only reason any rational person would oppose providing appropriate coursework for all students.

Rational people would realize that resources are finite and wouldn't support special classes for a couple of kids

The entire context here is that McLean and Langley now have a sufficient cohort to offer the classes. It's not for a couple kids. Rationally speaking, FCPS needs to provide 4 years of appropriate level high school math to all high school students. If the cohort at the base school is insufficient, then the kids should be admitted to TJ. If the cohort at the base school is sufficient, then the kids can receive services there.

That's guaranteed admission to TJ for anyone zoned to MVHS and even taking Algebra in 7th

Guaranteed admission to TJ isn't necessary. It is, however, necessary for FCPS to have some reasonable plan for the kids who will exceed the classes offered at their base school. For the kids who lack sufficient cohort, admission to TJ would be the cheapest and easiest plan. FCPS certainly could come up with alternate plans, like maybe extra academy programs or paying for university classes. For the schools that have a sufficient cohort, the additional classes should be offered there.

If you look at the number of kids taking post calculus math at MVHS, anyone on that track would lack a cohort at their base school. There are no universities near the eastern part of the county and there are no academies, so that leaves TJ

Wouldn't anyone on that track be in the IB program taking the IB math courses?

If there is a need for post AP math courses in the eastern part of the county and an insufficient cohort at each school, then it would make sense to open an academy program there. All kids should receive appropriate math instruction.

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Anonymous wrote:TJ is not for remedial math. Equity kids, please stay at your base school.

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Anonymous wrote:There are many courses at TJ not available online or through dual enrollment at other FCPS schools. At all other FCPS schools, kids can take 1 year of DE post AP math. After that, there’s nothing. TJ has several extra DE options and post AP courses.

Supplementing costs money. Every kid in FCPS should have access to an education that is free and appropriate for their level of advancement

Here's the reality - for whatever reason, there have always been kids at schools like Langley, McLean, Oakton, and Chantilly who have run out of math because they either didn't get into or didn't apply for TJ. That becomes far less likely under the current admissions process as advanced math students are dispersed back into their base school environments. Before too long, you will see Complex Analysis, Discrete Math, and other advanced topics become commonplace at base schools, which is a good thing for everyone as the population becomes more and more accelerated. It might only be one section at first, but it will exist.

McLean already has a large number of kids who have run out of math and need more advanced classes. McLean also has some of the highest achieving STEM kids in the state - Mclean's It's academic team and Math team are arguably on par with TJ's and a McLean Sr. has been the best or one of the best math students in the state the last 6 years. Yet, McLean hasn't adopted the complex analysis, etc... it's not due to lack of demand... I don't think FCPS has the supply of teachers to teach those courses. That's why TJ exists. And the former and present admissions process has/will denied many deserving McLean kids of these opportunities.

This. I don't necessarily feel that FCPS is obligated to place the most hyperaccelerated kids into TJ. They do, however, have an obligation to provide those kids with appropriate math courses. Admitting them to TJ would be the cheapest and logistically cheapest way to provide multiple years of post-AP math to the kids who need it. But, if instead FCPS wants to provide all of the post AP courses at McLean and Langley, as well as pay for any student to take courses at GMU if their school doesn't have appropriate offerings, that would be fine. Instead, FCPS seems to be rejecting kids like this from TJ, and then failing to provide appropriate math courses at the base school.

They have an obligation to provide an appropriate public education. They do not have an obligation to indulge parents who pushed their kids to take calc as sophomores.

Why are you so threatened by kids who are smarter and more motivated than your kid? That’s the only reason any rational person would oppose providing appropriate coursework for all students.

Rational people would realize that resources are finite and wouldn't support special classes for a couple of kids

The entire context here is that McLean and Langley now have a sufficient cohort to offer the classes. It's not for a couple kids. Rationally speaking, FCPS needs to provide 4 years of appropriate level high school math to all high school students. If the cohort at the base school is insufficient, then the kids should be admitted to TJ. If the cohort at the base school is sufficient, then the kids can receive services there.

LOL you really need to move along. Sorry you can't buy the test anymore.

Equity kids are in for a rude awakening t TJ.

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Anonymous wrote:There are many courses at TJ not available online or through dual enrollment at other FCPS schools. At all other FCPS schools, kids can take 1 year of DE post AP math. After that, there’s nothing. TJ has several extra DE options and post AP courses.

Supplementing costs money. Every kid in FCPS should have access to an education that is free and appropriate for their level of advancement

Here's the reality - for whatever reason, there have always been kids at schools like Langley, McLean, Oakton, and Chantilly who have run out of math because they either didn't get into or didn't apply for TJ. That becomes far less likely under the current admissions process as advanced math students are dispersed back into their base school environments. Before too long, you will see Complex Analysis, Discrete Math, and other advanced topics become commonplace at base schools, which is a good thing for everyone as the population becomes more and more accelerated. It might only be one section at first, but it will exist.

McLean already has a large number of kids who have run out of math and need more advanced classes. McLean also has some of the highest achieving STEM kids in the state - Mclean's It's academic team and Math team are arguably on par with TJ's and a McLean Sr. has been the best or one of the best math students in the state the last 6 years. Yet, McLean hasn't adopted the complex analysis, etc... it's not due to lack of demand... I don't think FCPS has the supply of teachers to teach those courses. That's why TJ exists. And the former and present admissions process has/will denied many deserving McLean kids of these opportunities.

This. I don't necessarily feel that FCPS is obligated to place the most hyperaccelerated kids into TJ. They do, however, have an obligation to provide those kids with appropriate math courses. Admitting them to TJ would be the cheapest and logistically cheapest way to provide multiple years of post-AP math to the kids who need it. But, if instead FCPS wants to provide all of the post AP courses at McLean and Langley, as well as pay for any student to take courses at GMU if their school doesn't have appropriate offerings, that would be fine. Instead, FCPS seems to be rejecting kids like this from TJ, and then failing to provide appropriate math courses at the base school.

They have an obligation to provide an appropriate public education. They do not have an obligation to indulge parents who pushed their kids to take calc as sophomores.

Why are you so threatened by kids who are smarter and more motivated than your kid? That’s the only reason any rational person would oppose providing appropriate coursework for all students.

Rational people would realize that resources are finite and wouldn't support special classes for a couple of kids

The entire context here is that McLean and Langley now have a sufficient cohort to offer the classes. It's not for a couple kids. Rationally speaking, FCPS needs to provide 4 years of appropriate level high school math to all high school students. If the cohort at the base school is insufficient, then the kids should be admitted to TJ. If the cohort at the base school is sufficient, then the kids can receive services there.

That's guaranteed admission to TJ for anyone zoned to MVHS and even taking Algebra in 7th

Guaranteed admission to TJ isn't necessary. It is, however, necessary for FCPS to have some reasonable plan for the kids who will exceed the classes offered at their base school. For the kids who lack sufficient cohort, admission to TJ would be the cheapest and easiest plan. FCPS certainly could come up with alternate plans, like maybe extra academy programs or paying for university classes. For the schools that have a sufficient cohort, the additional classes should be offered there.

If you look at the number of kids taking post calculus math at MVHS, anyone on that track would lack a cohort at their base school. There are no universities near the eastern part of the county and there are no academies, so that leaves TJ

Wouldn't anyone on that track be in the IB program taking the IB math courses?

If there is a need for post AP math courses in the eastern part of the county and an insufficient cohort at each school, then it would make sense to open an academy program there. All kids should receive appropriate math instruction.

So you want to open an academy for less than 10 kids each year at MVHS? Talk about extraordinary lengths to keep kids out of TJ

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Anonymous wrote:There are many courses at TJ not available online or through dual enrollment at other FCPS schools. At all other FCPS schools, kids can take 1 year of DE post AP math. After that, there’s nothing. TJ has several extra DE options and post AP courses.

Supplementing costs money. Every kid in FCPS should have access to an education that is free and appropriate for their level of advancement

Here's the reality - for whatever reason, there have always been kids at schools like Langley, McLean, Oakton, and Chantilly who have run out of math because they either didn't get into or didn't apply for TJ. That becomes far less likely under the current admissions process as advanced math students are dispersed back into their base school environments. Before too long, you will see Complex Analysis, Discrete Math, and other advanced topics become commonplace at base schools, which is a good thing for everyone as the population becomes more and more accelerated. It might only be one section at first, but it will exist.

McLean already has a large number of kids who have run out of math and need more advanced classes. McLean also has some of the highest achieving STEM kids in the state - Mclean's It's academic team and Math team are arguably on par with TJ's and a McLean Sr. has been the best or one of the best math students in the state the last 6 years. Yet, McLean hasn't adopted the complex analysis, etc... it's not due to lack of demand... I don't think FCPS has the supply of teachers to teach those courses. That's why TJ exists. And the former and present admissions process has/will denied many deserving McLean kids of these opportunities.

This. I don't necessarily feel that FCPS is obligated to place the most hyperaccelerated kids into TJ. They do, however, have an obligation to provide those kids with appropriate math courses. Admitting them to TJ would be the cheapest and logistically cheapest way to provide multiple years of post-AP math to the kids who need it. But, if instead FCPS wants to provide all of the post AP courses at McLean and Langley, as well as pay for any student to take courses at GMU if their school doesn't have appropriate offerings, that would be fine. Instead, FCPS seems to be rejecting kids like this from TJ, and then failing to provide appropriate math courses at the base school.

They have an obligation to provide an appropriate public education. They do not have an obligation to indulge parents who pushed their kids to take calc as sophomores.

Why are you so threatened by kids who are smarter and more motivated than your kid? That’s the only reason any rational person would oppose providing appropriate coursework for all students.

Rational people would realize that resources are finite and wouldn't support special classes for a couple of kids

The entire context here is that McLean and Langley now have a sufficient cohort to offer the classes. It's not for a couple kids. Rationally speaking, FCPS needs to provide 4 years of appropriate level high school math to all high school students. If the cohort at the base school is insufficient, then the kids should be admitted to TJ. If the cohort at the base school is sufficient, then the kids can receive services there.

That's guaranteed admission to TJ for anyone zoned to MVHS and even taking Algebra in 7th

Guaranteed admission to TJ isn't necessary. It is, however, necessary for FCPS to have some reasonable plan for the kids who will exceed the classes offered at their base school. For the kids who lack sufficient cohort, admission to TJ would be the cheapest and easiest plan. FCPS certainly could come up with alternate plans, like maybe extra academy programs or paying for university classes. For the schools that have a sufficient cohort, the additional classes should be offered there.

If you look at the number of kids taking post calculus math at MVHS, anyone on that track would lack a cohort at their base school. There are no universities near the eastern part of the county and there are no academies, so that leaves TJ

Wouldn't anyone on that track be in the IB program taking the IB math courses?

If there is a need for post AP math courses in the eastern part of the county and an insufficient cohort at each school, then it would make sense to open an academy program there. All kids should receive appropriate math instruction.

So you want to open an academy for less than 10 kids each year at MVHS? Talk about extraordinary lengths to keep kids out of TJ

No. I'm simply stating that FCPS needs to have a reasonable solution to provide appropriate math coursework to all students. Again, this was all in the context that FCPS is not admitting very advanced kids to TJ from McLean and Langley, and then not providing ample post-AP classes, even though they have enough qualified kids at the base school for the classes.

In the case of MVHS, if there are kids who need advanced coursework, but not enough to support a class, then FCPS needs a reasonable answer for that. The answer might be TJ. It might be an academy program at a nearby high school. It might be college classes. The point is that FCPS can't just shrug its shoulders and decide not to offer math classes for these kids for 12th grade.

I have no idea why you're trying to pick a fight over this. You're coming across as pretty crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:There are many courses at TJ not available online or through dual enrollment at other FCPS schools. At all other FCPS schools, kids can take 1 year of DE post AP math. After that, there’s nothing. TJ has several extra DE options and post AP courses.

Supplementing costs money. Every kid in FCPS should have access to an education that is free and appropriate for their level of advancement

Here's the reality - for whatever reason, there have always been kids at schools like Langley, McLean, Oakton, and Chantilly who have run out of math because they either didn't get into or didn't apply for TJ. That becomes far less likely under the current admissions process as advanced math students are dispersed back into their base school environments. Before too long, you will see Complex Analysis, Discrete Math, and other advanced topics become commonplace at base schools, which is a good thing for everyone as the population becomes more and more accelerated. It might only be one section at first, but it will exist.

McLean already has a large number of kids who have run out of math and need more advanced classes. McLean also has some of the highest achieving STEM kids in the state - Mclean's It's academic team and Math team are arguably on par with TJ's and a McLean Sr. has been the best or one of the best math students in the state the last 6 years. Yet, McLean hasn't adopted the complex analysis, etc... it's not due to lack of demand... I don't think FCPS has the supply of teachers to teach those courses. That's why TJ exists. And the former and present admissions process has/will denied many deserving McLean kids of these opportunities.

This. I don't necessarily feel that FCPS is obligated to place the most hyperaccelerated kids into TJ. They do, however, have an obligation to provide those kids with appropriate math courses. Admitting them to TJ would be the cheapest and logistically cheapest way to provide multiple years of post-AP math to the kids who need it. But, if instead FCPS wants to provide all of the post AP courses at McLean and Langley, as well as pay for any student to take courses at GMU if their school doesn't have appropriate offerings, that would be fine. Instead, FCPS seems to be rejecting kids like this from TJ, and then failing to provide appropriate math courses at the base school.

They have an obligation to provide an appropriate public education. They do not have an obligation to indulge parents who pushed their kids to take calc as sophomores.

Why are you so threatened by kids who are smarter and more motivated than your kid? That’s the only reason any rational person would oppose providing appropriate coursework for all students.

Rational people would realize that resources are finite and wouldn't support special classes for a couple of kids

The entire context here is that McLean and Langley now have a sufficient cohort to offer the classes. It's not for a couple kids. Rationally speaking, FCPS needs to provide 4 years of appropriate level high school math to all high school students. If the cohort at the base school is insufficient, then the kids should be admitted to TJ. If the cohort at the base school is sufficient, then the kids can receive services there.

That's guaranteed admission to TJ for anyone zoned to MVHS and even taking Algebra in 7th

Guaranteed admission to TJ isn't necessary. It is, however, necessary for FCPS to have some reasonable plan for the kids who will exceed the classes offered at their base school. For the kids who lack sufficient cohort, admission to TJ would be the cheapest and easiest plan. FCPS certainly could come up with alternate plans, like maybe extra academy programs or paying for university classes. For the schools that have a sufficient cohort, the additional classes should be offered there.

If you look at the number of kids taking post calculus math at MVHS, anyone on that track would lack a cohort at their base school. There are no universities near the eastern part of the county and there are no academies, so that leaves TJ

Wouldn't anyone on that track be in the IB program taking the IB math courses?

If there is a need for post AP math courses in the eastern part of the county and an insufficient cohort at each school, then it would make sense to open an academy program there. All kids should receive appropriate math instruction.

So you want to open an academy for less than 10 kids each year at MVHS? Talk about extraordinary lengths to keep kids out of TJ

No. I'm simply stating that FCPS needs to have a reasonable solution to provide appropriate math coursework to all students. Again, this was all in the context that FCPS is not admitting very advanced kids to TJ from McLean and Langley, and then not providing ample post-AP classes, even though they have enough qualified kids at the base school for the classes.

In the case of MVHS, if there are kids who need advanced coursework, but not enough to support a class, then FCPS needs a reasonable answer for that. The answer might be TJ. It might be an academy program at a nearby high school. It might be college classes. The point is that FCPS can't just shrug its shoulders and decide not to offer math classes for these kids for 12th grade.

I have no idea why you're trying to pick a fight over this. You're coming across as pretty crazy.

Because FCPS has a solution, TJ. Whitman does not have many kids apply, those that do and are remotely qualified will get in.

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Anonymous wrote:There are many courses at TJ not available online or through dual enrollment at other FCPS schools. At all other FCPS schools, kids can take 1 year of DE post AP math. After that, there’s nothing. TJ has several extra DE options and post AP courses.

Supplementing costs money. Every kid in FCPS should have access to an education that is free and appropriate for their level of advancement

Here's the reality - for whatever reason, there have always been kids at schools like Langley, McLean, Oakton, and Chantilly who have run out of math because they either didn't get into or didn't apply for TJ. That becomes far less likely under the current admissions process as advanced math students are dispersed back into their base school environments. Before too long, you will see Complex Analysis, Discrete Math, and other advanced topics become commonplace at base schools, which is a good thing for everyone as the population becomes more and more accelerated. It might only be one section at first, but it will exist.

McLean already has a large number of kids who have run out of math and need more advanced classes. McLean also has some of the highest achieving STEM kids in the state - Mclean's It's academic team and Math team are arguably on par with TJ's and a McLean Sr. has been the best or one of the best math students in the state the last 6 years. Yet, McLean hasn't adopted the complex analysis, etc... it's not due to lack of demand... I don't think FCPS has the supply of teachers to teach those courses. That's why TJ exists. And the former and present admissions process has/will denied many deserving McLean kids of these opportunities.

This. I don't necessarily feel that FCPS is obligated to place the most hyperaccelerated kids into TJ. They do, however, have an obligation to provide those kids with appropriate math courses. Admitting them to TJ would be the cheapest and logistically cheapest way to provide multiple years of post-AP math to the kids who need it. But, if instead FCPS wants to provide all of the post AP courses at McLean and Langley, as well as pay for any student to take courses at GMU if their school doesn't have appropriate offerings, that would be fine. Instead, FCPS seems to be rejecting kids like this from TJ, and then failing to provide appropriate math courses at the base school.

They have an obligation to provide an appropriate public education. They do not have an obligation to indulge parents who pushed their kids to take calc as sophomores.

Why are you so threatened by kids who are smarter and more motivated than your kid? That’s the only reason any rational person would oppose providing appropriate coursework for all students.

Rational people would realize that resources are finite and wouldn't support special classes for a couple of kids

The entire context here is that McLean and Langley now have a sufficient cohort to offer the classes. It's not for a couple kids. Rationally speaking, FCPS needs to provide 4 years of appropriate level high school math to all high school students. If the cohort at the base school is insufficient, then the kids should be admitted to TJ. If the cohort at the base school is sufficient, then the kids can receive services there.

That's guaranteed admission to TJ for anyone zoned to MVHS and even taking Algebra in 7th

Guaranteed admission to TJ isn't necessary. It is, however, necessary for FCPS to have some reasonable plan for the kids who will exceed the classes offered at their base school. For the kids who lack sufficient cohort, admission to TJ would be the cheapest and easiest plan. FCPS certainly could come up with alternate plans, like maybe extra academy programs or paying for university classes. For the schools that have a sufficient cohort, the additional classes should be offered there.

If you look at the number of kids taking post calculus math at MVHS, anyone on that track would lack a cohort at their base school. There are no universities near the eastern part of the county and there are no academies, so that leaves TJ

Wouldn't anyone on that track be in the IB program taking the IB math courses?

If there is a need for post AP math courses in the eastern part of the county and an insufficient cohort at each school, then it would make sense to open an academy program there. All kids should receive appropriate math instruction.

So you want to open an academy for less than 10 kids each year at MVHS? Talk about extraordinary lengths to keep kids out of TJ

No. I'm simply stating that FCPS needs to have a reasonable solution to provide appropriate math coursework to all students. Again, this was all in the context that FCPS is not admitting very advanced kids to TJ from McLean and Langley, and then not providing ample post-AP classes, even though they have enough qualified kids at the base school for the classes.

In the case of MVHS, if there are kids who need advanced coursework, but not enough to support a class, then FCPS needs a reasonable answer for that. The answer might be TJ. It might be an academy program at a nearby high school. It might be college classes. The point is that FCPS can't just shrug its shoulders and decide not to offer math classes for these kids for 12th grade.

I have no idea why you're trying to pick a fight over this. You're coming across as pretty crazy.

It's easy really. Just take classes at GMU after CalcBC. That's what I did 30 years ago.

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"Equity kids are in for a rude awakening t TJ."

Perhaps. Or perhaps your insinuation that kids that come from a less privileged school won't do as well is racist and outdated. I guess we will all just have to grab our popcorn and watch to see what kind of pandemonium unfolds!

Signed,
The parent of an admitted "equity kid" from a "poor middle school"

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Anonymous wrote:There are many courses at TJ not available online or through dual enrollment at other FCPS schools. At all other FCPS schools, kids can take 1 year of DE post AP math. After that, there’s nothing. TJ has several extra DE options and post AP courses.

Supplementing costs money. Every kid in FCPS should have access to an education that is free and appropriate for their level of advancement

Here's the reality - for whatever reason, there have always been kids at schools like Langley, McLean, Oakton, and Chantilly who have run out of math because they either didn't get into or didn't apply for TJ. That becomes far less likely under the current admissions process as advanced math students are dispersed back into their base school environments. Before too long, you will see Complex Analysis, Discrete Math, and other advanced topics become commonplace at base schools, which is a good thing for everyone as the population becomes more and more accelerated. It might only be one section at first, but it will exist.

McLean already has a large number of kids who have run out of math and need more advanced classes. McLean also has some of the highest achieving STEM kids in the state - Mclean's It's academic team and Math team are arguably on par with TJ's and a McLean Sr. has been the best or one of the best math students in the state the last 6 years. Yet, McLean hasn't adopted the complex analysis, etc... it's not due to lack of demand... I don't think FCPS has the supply of teachers to teach those courses. That's why TJ exists. And the former and present admissions process has/will denied many deserving McLean kids of these opportunities.

This. I don't necessarily feel that FCPS is obligated to place the most hyperaccelerated kids into TJ. They do, however, have an obligation to provide those kids with appropriate math courses. Admitting them to TJ would be the cheapest and logistically cheapest way to provide multiple years of post-AP math to the kids who need it. But, if instead FCPS wants to provide all of the post AP courses at McLean and Langley, as well as pay for any student to take courses at GMU if their school doesn't have appropriate offerings, that would be fine. Instead, FCPS seems to be rejecting kids like this from TJ, and then failing to provide appropriate math courses at the base school.

They have an obligation to provide an appropriate public education. They do not have an obligation to indulge parents who pushed their kids to take calc as sophomores.

Why are you so threatened by kids who are smarter and more motivated than your kid? That’s the only reason any rational person would oppose providing appropriate coursework for all students.

Rational people would realize that resources are finite and wouldn't support special classes for a couple of kids

The entire context here is that McLean and Langley now have a sufficient cohort to offer the classes. It's not for a couple kids. Rationally speaking, FCPS needs to provide 4 years of appropriate level high school math to all high school students. If the cohort at the base school is insufficient, then the kids should be admitted to TJ. If the cohort at the base school is sufficient, then the kids can receive services there.

That's guaranteed admission to TJ for anyone zoned to MVHS and even taking Algebra in 7th

Guaranteed admission to TJ isn't necessary. It is, however, necessary for FCPS to have some reasonable plan for the kids who will exceed the classes offered at their base school. For the kids who lack sufficient cohort, admission to TJ would be the cheapest and easiest plan. FCPS certainly could come up with alternate plans, like maybe extra academy programs or paying for university classes. For the schools that have a sufficient cohort, the additional classes should be offered there.

If you look at the number of kids taking post calculus math at MVHS, anyone on that track would lack a cohort at their base school. There are no universities near the eastern part of the county and there are no academies, so that leaves TJ

Wouldn't anyone on that track be in the IB program taking the IB math courses?

If there is a need for post AP math courses in the eastern part of the county and an insufficient cohort at each school, then it would make sense to open an academy program there. All kids should receive appropriate math instruction.

So you want to open an academy for less than 10 kids each year at MVHS? Talk about extraordinary lengths to keep kids out of TJ

No. I'm simply stating that FCPS needs to have a reasonable solution to provide appropriate math coursework to all students. Again, this was all in the context that FCPS is not admitting very advanced kids to TJ from McLean and Langley, and then not providing ample post-AP classes, even though they have enough qualified kids at the base school for the classes.

In the case of MVHS, if there are kids who need advanced coursework, but not enough to support a class, then FCPS needs a reasonable answer for that. The answer might be TJ. It might be an academy program at a nearby high school. It might be college classes. The point is that FCPS can't just shrug its shoulders and decide not to offer math classes for these kids for 12th grade.

I have no idea why you're trying to pick a fight over this. You're coming across as pretty crazy.

It's easy really. Just take classes at GMU after CalcBC. That's what I did 30 years ago.

It's not easy for the kids who lack transportation and the money to pay for GMU classes.

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Anonymous wrote:There are many courses at TJ not available online or through dual enrollment at other FCPS schools. At all other FCPS schools, kids can take 1 year of DE post AP math. After that, there’s nothing. TJ has several extra DE options and post AP courses.

Supplementing costs money. Every kid in FCPS should have access to an education that is free and appropriate for their level of advancement

Here's the reality - for whatever reason, there have always been kids at schools like Langley, McLean, Oakton, and Chantilly who have run out of math because they either didn't get into or didn't apply for TJ. That becomes far less likely under the current admissions process as advanced math students are dispersed back into their base school environments. Before too long, you will see Complex Analysis, Discrete Math, and other advanced topics become commonplace at base schools, which is a good thing for everyone as the population becomes more and more accelerated. It might only be one section at first, but it will exist.

McLean already has a large number of kids who have run out of math and need more advanced classes. McLean also has some of the highest achieving STEM kids in the state - Mclean's It's academic team and Math team are arguably on par with TJ's and a McLean Sr. has been the best or one of the best math students in the state the last 6 years. Yet, McLean hasn't adopted the complex analysis, etc... it's not due to lack of demand... I don't think FCPS has the supply of teachers to teach those courses. That's why TJ exists. And the former and present admissions process has/will denied many deserving McLean kids of these opportunities.

This. I don't necessarily feel that FCPS is obligated to place the most hyperaccelerated kids into TJ. They do, however, have an obligation to provide those kids with appropriate math courses. Admitting them to TJ would be the cheapest and logistically cheapest way to provide multiple years of post-AP math to the kids who need it. But, if instead FCPS wants to provide all of the post AP courses at McLean and Langley, as well as pay for any student to take courses at GMU if their school doesn't have appropriate offerings, that would be fine. Instead, FCPS seems to be rejecting kids like this from TJ, and then failing to provide appropriate math courses at the base school.

They have an obligation to provide an appropriate public education. They do not have an obligation to indulge parents who pushed their kids to take calc as sophomores.

Why are you so threatened by kids who are smarter and more motivated than your kid? That’s the only reason any rational person would oppose providing appropriate coursework for all students.

Rational people would realize that resources are finite and wouldn't support special classes for a couple of kids

The entire context here is that McLean and Langley now have a sufficient cohort to offer the classes. It's not for a couple kids. Rationally speaking, FCPS needs to provide 4 years of appropriate level high school math to all high school students. If the cohort at the base school is insufficient, then the kids should be admitted to TJ. If the cohort at the base school is sufficient, then the kids can receive services there.

That's guaranteed admission to TJ for anyone zoned to MVHS and even taking Algebra in 7th

Guaranteed admission to TJ isn't necessary. It is, however, necessary for FCPS to have some reasonable plan for the kids who will exceed the classes offered at their base school. For the kids who lack sufficient cohort, admission to TJ would be the cheapest and easiest plan. FCPS certainly could come up with alternate plans, like maybe extra academy programs or paying for university classes. For the schools that have a sufficient cohort, the additional classes should be offered there.

If you look at the number of kids taking post calculus math at MVHS, anyone on that track would lack a cohort at their base school. There are no universities near the eastern part of the county and there are no academies, so that leaves TJ

Wouldn't anyone on that track be in the IB program taking the IB math courses?

If there is a need for post AP math courses in the eastern part of the county and an insufficient cohort at each school, then it would make sense to open an academy program there. All kids should receive appropriate math instruction.

So you want to open an academy for less than 10 kids each year at MVHS? Talk about extraordinary lengths to keep kids out of TJ

No. I'm simply stating that FCPS needs to have a reasonable solution to provide appropriate math coursework to all students. Again, this was all in the context that FCPS is not admitting very advanced kids to TJ from McLean and Langley, and then not providing ample post-AP classes, even though they have enough qualified kids at the base school for the classes.

In the case of MVHS, if there are kids who need advanced coursework, but not enough to support a class, then FCPS needs a reasonable answer for that. The answer might be TJ. It might be an academy program at a nearby high school. It might be college classes. The point is that FCPS can't just shrug its shoulders and decide not to offer math classes for these kids for 12th grade.

I have no idea why you're trying to pick a fight over this. You're coming across as pretty crazy.

It's easy really. Just take classes at GMU after CalcBC. That's what I did 30 years ago.

It's not easy for the kids who lack transportation and the money to pay for GMU classes.

I did it and we weren't rich. I paid for it myself from my summer job earnings. Also had a 10-year-old used car for transport. My point is if education is a priority there's a way to make this work.

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What is MVHS?