Superintendent's Recommendation for Richard Montgomery ES #5 Boundaries

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you believe those commute times I have some free land in Russia for you. Don't be naive about traffic in this area.

Here is what Google maps says:

Monday @8:30AM Safeway - RPES 10-24 minutes
Monday @8:30AM Safeway - RMES5 12-26 minutes

Monday @3:30PM RPES - Safeway 10-16 minutes
Monday @3:30PM RMES5 - Safeway 12-18 minutes

So it adds, 2 minutes in Google maps for the best case and also for the worst case situation. Matches with what other poster working with logistics company was saying.

I guess for some parents, 4 minutes of extra round trip may be nothing and for some it will be too much. Parents are just coming from different views here, but it's an extra 4 minutes of round trip after a long bus ride. We all need to remember that.

It's not the *extra* time, it's the TOTAL time. The poster above listed estimates of up to 26 minutes total travel time on an average weekday morning. You're cool with sending your kindergartener on a 26 minute bus ride every day to their local elementary school? Because I'm not, and I don't know many parents who would not have issues with that for their 5 year old.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Option E isn't just about Fallsgrove increased bus time.

It is about moving a walkable neighborhood surrounded by other RM sections and bussing them to RP.

It increases RP6 bus time

It increases B5 bus time and doesn't allow the closest kids to walk/bike to school.

It islands B8

It increases everyone but B3 who is going to school in every option.

Fallsgrove is the only one with a long bus ride so focus should be on them to see if it's too much. I am not in B7, but their ride is also increasing when they go to RM#5. Their ride was shorter with Beall, but focusing on B7 doesn't make sense. It's all within range.

It comes down to the same question I was raising.

Are we going to focus exclusively on proximity and give ZERO weight to FARMs distribution? Or we will give equal weight to all scenario? If we give equal weight then D is the one . Based on what posters are saying that's not possible .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you believe those commute times I have some free land in Russia for you. Don't be naive about traffic in this area.

Here is what Google maps says:

Monday @8:30AM Safeway - RPES 10-24 minutes
Monday @8:30AM Safeway - RMES5 12-26 minutes

Monday @3:30PM RPES - Safeway 10-16 minutes
Monday @3:30PM RMES5 - Safeway 12-18 minutes

So it adds, 2 minutes in Google maps for the best case and also for the worst case situation. Matches with what other poster working with logistics company was saying.

I guess for some parents, 4 minutes of extra round trip may be nothing and for some it will be too much. Parents are just coming from different views here, but it's an extra 4 minutes of round trip after a long bus ride. We all need to remember that.

RP5 is a problem child added to RP to satisfy capacity shortcomings, sorry for all the kids enduring the long bus ride. You truly do not belong in this cluster.

Agree here, but it's reality for now and we have to deal with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because some people can't stand that RP might be 7% FARMs even if that means that other zones have to go to school further out.

It's not really that people can't stand RP at 7%, it's more about RPES not serving its cluster the best it can. The FARMS students that they serve now are not welcome to stay even though this scenario is best for the cluster.

If that’s true, then it seems RP2 is not welcome anywhere. E proponents don’t want them either. And thy long ago had to leave Beall, where they were originally zoned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you believe those commute times I have some free land in Russia for you. Don't be naive about traffic in this area.

Here is what Google maps says:

Monday @8:30AM Safeway - RPES 10-24 minutes
Monday @8:30AM Safeway - RMES5 12-26 minutes

Monday @3:30PM RPES - Safeway 10-16 minutes
Monday @3:30PM RMES5 - Safeway 12-18 minutes

So it adds, 2 minutes in Google maps for the best case and also for the worst case situation. Matches with what other poster working with logistics company was saying.

I guess for some parents, 4 minutes of extra round trip may be nothing and for some it will be too much. Parents are just coming from different views here, but it's an extra 4 minutes of round trip after a long bus ride. We all need to remember that.

It's not the *extra* time, it's the TOTAL time. The poster above listed estimates of up to 26 minutes total travel time on an average weekday morning. You're cool with sending your kindergartener on a 26 minute bus ride every day to their local elementary school? Because I'm not, and I don't know many parents who would not have issues with that for their 5 year old.

I am actually from outside RM cluster, but found this discussion interesting. Not the PP you were debating with.

I will not be fine with sending my Kindergarten kid 26 minutes each day, but I will be fine with him spending 15 minutes in bus and getting delayed for 26 minutes in worst day. It happens actually with my 1st grader and he has been on bus for 25 minutes on bad traffic , but it happens rarely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Right here. YOU are the reason I hope A or B gets picked. Your mother f'ing association cherry picked neighborhoods to make B and then E comes out and you go gaga over that and abandon YOUR own changes.

It disrupts B5 who is walkable and sends them on a bus to RM5 down the pike AND RP2 (in your neighborhood) which is 100% walkable gets turned away to keep getting bussed. It also magically makes your FARMS in the teens which is insane considering your closest school across 355 has 70%.

You are disgusting.

Thank you for the great plug , we live in a great and historic neighborhood (named after Hungerford tavern where Hungerford Resolves were first proclaimed). Our civic association is top notch and will fight for your rights . We also hold regular picnics . Please come join us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because some people can't stand that RP might be 7% FARMs even if that means that other zones have to go to school further out.

It's not really that people can't stand RP at 7%, it's more about RPES not serving its cluster the best it can. The FARMS students that they serve now are not welcome to stay even though this scenario is best for the cluster.

If that’s true, then it seems RP2 is not welcome anywhere. E proponents don’t want them either. And thy long ago had to leave Beall, where they were originally zoned.

Why are you framing this as RP2 isn't "welcome to stay" at Ritchie Park??? RP6 is also moving in the same scenarios - is RP6 also not welcome at Ritchie Park? In the scenarios where RP5 moves, is it because Fallsgrove is not welcome at Ritchie Park???

Ritchie Park would love to have students from RP2 & RP6 stay, just like Ritchie Park would love to have all of their students stay because people are friends and kids like the school (but that's not the point in a boundary rezoning!) - I go to Ritchie Park - the parents in RP2 are my friends, the children in RP2 are my child's friends. No one wants them to leave. There is a new school opening - SOME children will need to leave every school. No one is kicking anyone out - the parents at the schools didn't draw the zoning and boundary option maps (except, Alternative B, of course!). All of the parents I have talked to in RP2 (yes, I've talked to actual human beings who live in RP2!) want to go to the new school. They expected to go to the new school. Some of those parents live in the single family homes in the neighborhood, some of those parents live in the lower income housing. There are always some people who don't want to go to a new school in a zone (I think we can all think of some examples), and I've spoken to a few who love Ritchie Park and want to stay, but in general, RP2 (the actual human beings who live there and can speak their own opinions) want to go to a new school in their neighborhood. No one is kicking them out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because some people can't stand that RP might be 7% FARMs even if that means that other zones have to go to school further out.

It's not really that people can't stand RP at 7%, it's more about RPES not serving its cluster the best it can. The FARMS students that they serve now are not welcome to stay even though this scenario is best for the cluster.

If that’s true, then it seems RP2 is not welcome anywhere. E proponents don’t want them either. And thy long ago had to leave Beall, where they were originally zoned.

Not true RMES#5 would gladly welcome RP2 but then B3 would have to come out in the name of balance. Since RP2 is currently with RP , option E allows for less disruption.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you believe those commute times I have some free land in Russia for you. Don't be naive about traffic in this area.

Here is what Google maps says:

Monday @8:30AM Safeway - RPES 10-24 minutes
Monday @8:30AM Safeway - RMES5 12-26 minutes

Monday @3:30PM RPES - Safeway 10-16 minutes
Monday @3:30PM RMES5 - Safeway 12-18 minutes

So it adds, 2 minutes in Google maps for the best case and also for the worst case situation. Matches with what other poster working with logistics company was saying.

I guess for some parents, 4 minutes of extra round trip may be nothing and for some it will be too much. Parents are just coming from different views here, but it's an extra 4 minutes of round trip after a long bus ride. We all need to remember that.

It's not the *extra* time, it's the TOTAL time. The poster above listed estimates of up to 26 minutes total travel time on an average weekday morning. You're cool with sending your kindergartener on a 26 minute bus ride every day to their local elementary school? Because I'm not, and I don't know many parents who would not have issues with that for their 5 year old.

I am actually from outside RM cluster, but found this discussion interesting. Not the PP you were debating with.

I will not be fine with sending my Kindergarten kid 26 minutes each day, but I will be fine with him spending 15 minutes in bus and getting delayed for 26 minutes in worst day. It happens actually with my 1st grader and he has been on bus for 25 minutes on bad traffic , but it happens rarely.

It's great to be able to see this from an outsider's perspective - it must be very entertaining and a relief that you're not embroiled in it! Since you're not from the area, I'll enlighten you that traffic on the routes I described are not occasional - those routes are congested at rush hour EVERY. SINGLE. MORNING.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because some people can't stand that RP might be 7% FARMs even if that means that other zones have to go to school further out.

It's not really that people can't stand RP at 7%, it's more about RPES not serving its cluster the best it can. The FARMS students that they serve now are not welcome to stay even though this scenario is best for the cluster.

If that’s true, then it seems RP2 is not welcome anywhere. E proponents don’t want them either. And thy long ago had to leave Beall, where they were originally zoned.

Not true RMES#5 would gladly welcome RP2 but then B3 would have to come out in the name of balance. Since RP2 is currently with RP , option E allows for less disruption.

Wow, so who made you chair of the membership committee at RM5?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's great to be able to see this from an outsider's perspective - it must be very entertaining and a relief that you're not embroiled in it! Since you're not from the area, I'll enlighten you that traffic on the routes I described are not occasional - those routes are congested at rush hour EVERY. SINGLE. MORNING.

I am curious: is it congested only on the way to the new school or it is congested also on the way to Ritchie Park?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's great to be able to see this from an outsider's perspective - it must be very entertaining and a relief that you're not embroiled in it! Since you're not from the area, I'll enlighten you that traffic on the routes I described are not occasional - those routes are congested at rush hour EVERY. SINGLE. MORNING.

I am curious: is it congested only on the way to the new school or it is congested also on the way to Ritchie Park?

Both. And for those who are going to suggest going to Beall or CG instead (which aren't options under consideration) Rt. 28 is also bumper to bumper from Fallsgrove to Nelson Street at 8:30 a.m. on weekdays. The alternate way to get to College Gardens (and more circuitously, Beall, would be to take Gude to 355, which as CG2 can attest, is not a great option at rush hour, either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because some people can't stand that RP might be 7% FARMs even if that means that other zones have to go to school further out.

It's not really that people can't stand RP at 7%, it's more about RPES not serving its cluster the best it can. The FARMS students that they serve now are not welcome to stay even though this scenario is best for the cluster.

If that’s true, then it seems RP2 is not welcome anywhere. E proponents don’t want them either. And thy long ago had to leave Beall, where they were originally zoned.

Not true RMES#5 would gladly welcome RP2 but then B3 would have to come out in the name of balance. Since RP2 is currently with RP , option E allows for less disruption.

Wow, so who made you chair of the membership committee at RM5?

Its a free country anyone can voice an opinion on "The Internets" .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Ritchie Park would love to have students from RP2 & RP6 stay, just like Ritchie Park would love to have all of their students stay because people are friends and kids like the school (but that's not the point in a boundary rezoning!) - I go to Ritchie Park - the parents in RP2 are my friends, the children in RP2 are my child's friends. No one wants them to leave. There is a new school opening - SOME children will need to leave every school. No one is kicking anyone out - the parents at the schools didn't draw the zoning and boundary option maps (except, Alternative B, of course!). All of the parents I have talked to in RP2 (yes, I've talked to actual human beings who live in RP2!) want to go to the new school. They expected to go to the new school. Some of those parents live in the single family homes in the neighborhood, some of those parents live in the lower income housing. There are always some people who don't want to go to a new school in a zone (I think we can all think of some examples), and I've spoken to a few who love Ritchie Park and want to stay, but in general, RP2 (the actual human beings who live there and can speak their own opinions) want to go to a new school in their neighborhood. No one is kicking them out.

I go to Dogwood park often and talk to many parents from RP2. Some want to stay at RP. Some wants to go to RM#5. But, without bus most parents don't want to go to RM#5. If you give them bus then they want to go RM#5.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because some people can't stand that RP might be 7% FARMs even if that means that other zones have to go to school further out.

It's not really that people can't stand RP at 7%, it's more about RPES not serving its cluster the best it can. The FARMS students that they serve now are not welcome to stay even though this scenario is best for the cluster.

If that’s true, then it seems RP2 is not welcome anywhere. E proponents don’t want them either. And thy long ago had to leave Beall, where they were originally zoned.

Not true RMES#5 would gladly welcome RP2 but then B3 would have to come out in the name of balance. Since RP2 is currently with RP , option E allows for less disruption.

Wow, so who made you chair of the membership committee at RM5?

Its a free country anyone can voice an opinion on "The Internets" .

Perhaps B2 should be rezoned to another school...