FCPS Skyview Boundary Scenario 1/2/3

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can we get back to the slides people were talking about? Please link!!

They were in the very first link in the email sent out today, don't be so lazy. I'll spoon feed you so you stop spamming the board. https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/260526_WXY_Fairfax_Skyview_Meeting%202%20%281%29.pdf

I scoured that email and the boundary site and I didn't see them.

Because I'm not as much of an a-hole as you, I will say thank you.

It's only a giant highlighted button labeled "View May community meeting presentation" in the section labeled "Community Meetings" where they explicitly discuss the "revised scenarios that will be presented." I can see how you'd miss that if you actually read any of it.

It's small and it's under the May 5th and April presentations. You can see why someone might see those and think that they are from older presentations, right? Like they didn't say anything about the exact date or upcoming meeting. Excuse my mistake you nasty, nasty whore.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The corruption of publicly posting maps and slides and then someone calling in a favor and switching back a neighborhood the consultants clearly designated as should be moved is insane. Like we are watching the corruption happen in plain sight.

I don't have kids at Westfield but drawing these bizarre boundaries that clearly exempt nearby wealthy areas is disgusting.

Right. You usually don't see the political corruption and favoritism playing out right in the open. What we just saw is basically like someone in a meeting stuffing a $100 bill in Reid's pocket.

Well, they just approved spending tens of millions on Dunn Loring ES, which isn’t needed at all, and that is like stuffing far more money in the pockets of Karl Frisch and his “allies.” None of the corruption and favoritism should surprise anyone at this point. If it does, you haven’t been paying attention. As the saying goes, “it’s not a bug, it’s a feature.”

Dunn loring is a dilapidated building that serves no real purpose. Maybe it’s not desperately needed right this second, but it will be needed in 5-10 years. I’m glad it’s getting put to decent use.

In 5-10 years there will be even less need for a school at that location than there is today. And there is no need for a school at that location today.

FCPS is propped up by ridiculous people who justify every bad decision the School Board makes because it’s what they think loyal Democrats do in return for getting something else they wanted from county officials. It’s revolting, and it’s why they are so comfortable screwing Westfield and other schools now.

[Anonymous]

Did anyone screenshot the non-corrupt Scenario 2 from the consultants?

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Anonymous wrote:It's equal parts laughable and infuriating that Oakton still has one of the most contorted, nonsensical boundary maps out there, still reaching all the way into Herndon to pull kids who are sitting practically next door to the new high school. I cannot believe the school board buckled to the RIO crowd, whose entire case for staying at Oakton boiled down to nothing but "feelings" and nostalgia. So you let Westfield get gutted down to 74% capacity and left to spiral while Oakton, a school that's already bursting at the seams after an expensive renovation, gets to skate by basically untouched. Corruption doesn't get much more obvious than this.

Oakton watched Langley fight off boundary changes and concluded there was no reason they couldn’t take a page from the same playbook. Many Langley kids have longer commutes than the kids with the longest commutes to Oakton.

This School Board is a bunch of idiots who haven’t studied past boundary changes or learned a damn thing. It’s like they got briefed on what happened to Annandale and Lewis over the years and said “let’s try it again at Westfield and see if we get the same result.”

Not "Oakton" and not "Langley" - "Crossfield" and "Forestville" (Herndon addresses at both). There are plenty of Oakton parents that were expecting some capacity relief from this boundary review and didn't get it. That 103% is going to shoot up once shovels hit the ground in the many redevelopments happening near the school that aren't currently counted in the future projections.

langley is getting 200+ more kids with the spring hill island. it will put langley at 102%. still under the 105% they were using to move kids out of schools. i bet the herndon addresses at forestville are moved next boundary review. as for the westfield backfill with centreville students it’s legit wreckless of fcps to not utilize the massive amount of empty seats at westfield now. there is zero reason to expand centreville. 1. their enrollment is projected to go down. and now there are 700 seats at westfield to fill

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As many people had said,

Scenario 2 was the most favored of the three draft scenarios, while Scenario 3 was the least favored.

Looks like Scenario 2 was the starting point for the revised scenarios.

Yep. Which is exactly what I said early on and someone called me a liar and said that wasn’t true. It indeed was true!

I am happy with the 2 scenarios as they leave me alone!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's equal parts laughable and infuriating that Oakton still has one of the most contorted, nonsensical boundary maps out there, still reaching all the way into Herndon to pull kids who are sitting practically next door to the new high school. I cannot believe the school board buckled to the RIO crowd, whose entire case for staying at Oakton boiled down to nothing but "feelings" and nostalgia. So you let Westfield get gutted down to 74% capacity and left to spiral while Oakton, a school that's already bursting at the seams after an expensive renovation, gets to skate by basically untouched. Corruption doesn't get much more obvious than this.

Oakton watched Langley fight off boundary changes and concluded there was no reason they couldn’t take a page from the same playbook. Many Langley kids have longer commutes than the kids with the longest commutes to Oakton.

This School Board is a bunch of idiots who haven’t studied past boundary changes or learned a damn thing. It’s like they got briefed on what happened to Annandale and Lewis over the years and said “let’s try it again at Westfield and see if we get the same result.”

Not "Oakton" and not "Langley" - "Crossfield" and "Forestville" (Herndon addresses at both). There are plenty of Oakton parents that were expecting some capacity relief from this boundary review and didn't get it. That 103% is going to shoot up once shovels hit the ground in the many redevelopments happening near the school that aren't currently counted in the future projections.

langley is getting 200+ more kids with the spring hill island. it will put langley at 102%. still under the 105% they were using to move kids out of schools. i bet the herndon addresses at forestville are moved next boundary review. as for the westfield backfill with centreville students it’s legit wreckless of fcps to not utilize the massive amount of empty seats at westfield now. there is zero reason to expand centreville. 1. their enrollment is projected to go down. and now there are 700 seats at westfield to fill

With the Walney Oaks fiasco, there will be 800 seats to fill.

[Anonymous]

Interesting how they use distance/time...

The tool's current values are average distance in miles, scenarios are average time, and the handout uses median time. They are all reasonably equivalent if the districts are round not elongated and similar sized. With variation in shape/size, they really should add representation of the 90th percentile...

Also, how did they handle time when the lights for crossing Fairfax County Parkway and Reston Parkway/West Ox are 5 minutes apiece and, at rush hour, drivers can't reliably cross in a single cycle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting how they use distance/time...

The tool's current values are average distance in miles, scenarios are average time, and the handout uses median time. They are all reasonably equivalent if the districts are round not elongated and similar sized. With variation in shape/size, they really should add representation of the 90th percentile...

Also, how did they handle time when the lights for crossing Fairfax County Parkway and Reston Parkway/West Ox are 5 minutes apiece and, at rush hour, drivers can't reliably cross in a single cycle.

No way is "average" commute time to Oakton 5 minutes. I realize some people live closer than Crossfield--but Waples Mill is not five minutes away either.

Did they ask RIO and got that answer?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The corruption of publicly posting maps and slides and then someone calling in a favor and switching back a neighborhood the consultants clearly designated as should be moved is insane. Like we are watching the corruption happen in plain sight.

I don't have kids at Westfield but drawing these bizarre boundaries that clearly exempt nearby wealthy areas is disgusting.

Right. You usually don't see the political corruption and favoritism playing out right in the open. What we just saw is basically like someone in a meeting stuffing a $100 bill in Reid's pocket.

The big question is who. Hopefully that person is called out.

[Anonymous]

Which scenario do you like the most?

I really like the revised scenario 2. Very clean feeder pattern.

[Anonymous]

Everyone thought 2 made sense before it was mysteriously pulled down and edited.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting how they use distance/time...

The tool's current values are average distance in miles, scenarios are average time, and the handout uses median time. They are all reasonably equivalent if the districts are round not elongated and similar sized. With variation in shape/size, they really should add representation of the 90th percentile...

Also, how did they handle time when the lights for crossing Fairfax County Parkway and Reston Parkway/West Ox are 5 minutes apiece and, at rush hour, drivers can't reliably cross in a single cycle.

No way is "average" commute time to Oakton 5 minutes. I realize some people live closer than Crossfield--but Waples Mill is not five minutes away either.

Did they ask RIO and got that answer?

Depends on the variation in population density across the district. Assume the density is higher in Vienna than in Franklin Farms. The median and mean will be close to Oakton HS even though Franklin is miles and hours away. That's why they need to include percentiles, not just mean/median.

[Anonymous]

Another tool issue thats not just a tool issue... Their boundary study page explicitly includes "demographics" in one of their Goals bullets, but demographics are nowhere to be found in the tool or in their presentations.

Having been through/a victim of the SLHS RD, I understand why they might want to avoid the topic entirely, but the implications of avoiding it will obviously impact Westfield in the near-term and completely undoing the SLHS RD as both scenarios do is also likely to trash SLHS in the mid to long term.

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In the slide presentation, it shows Floris at 105-115% capacity? There is no way FCPS should be allowing elementary schools to get this high especially when there are so many schools nearby that are under capacity. I understand they aren’t making elementary changes but it seems like that one needs to be fixed. It’s insane to me that they didn’t see this during the boundary review that just happened.

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Anonymous wrote:In the slide presentation, it shows Floris at 105-115% capacity? There is no way FCPS should be allowing elementary schools to get this high especially when there are so many schools nearby that are under capacity. I understand they aren’t making elementary changes but it seems like that one needs to be fixed. It’s insane to me that they didn’t see this during the boundary review that just happened.

Two things - 1) they added kids to Floris from Coates in the boundary study. 2) If they are actually going to build the Silver Line ES, it's at the boundary between Floris and Coates so would likely address the Floris capacity issue.