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Anonymous wrote:Man, I know they really want to keep the boundary review conversation to one thread, but I sure do wish everyone talking about the Springfield high schools could have their own thread. A lot of passionate conversation to be had there... And I want to hear what other people around the county are thinking about the new scenario!


The “passionate conversation” is a very small group of Lewis parents desperately wanting more middle and upper middle income neighborhoods to be rezoned to Lewis so they can feel better about themselves and their poor real estate selection decisions.


Poor real estate decisions? You mean buying a home that we could afford?

🖕you.


Agreed! That was such a gross, elitist comment! So the "poors" are not entitled to a decent education? FCPS is *supposed* to be ranked as one of the best in the US, but Lewis is terrible.

Sorry that we bought pre-COVID what we could afford and thought this would be our starter and not forever home. Now with the way the economy is, prices/interests rates up, plus a one-fed household so who knows if I'll be RIF-ed, it's looking like we'll be in our 'starter' home for a long time. The elementary school close to Lewis, Springfield Estates, is a good school. That is why we chose to live here and thought either Lewis would improve or we'd eventually move. Seems like both might not happen. I'm sure many others have similar situations at Lewis or other not so great schools.


So, why don't you mobilize the parents through volunteering to make Lewis stronger and the pyramid more cohesive?

Does Lewis have pyramid events that bring elementary and middle school families into the high school on a regular basis to make the kids feel like part of the community? A lot of high schools do this.

We are in the WSHS pyramid.

Each year, nearly every sport, every performing arts program, and many clubs host pyramid events for our feeder schools to build community with our younger kids.

So far this year, the football games have hosted the local SYC league to run onto the field with the varsity team and get a VIP sideline experience, the cheerleaders and dance team had the elementary and middle school kids with them cheering on the sidelines, the dance team invited our pyramid elementary schools to do a halftime dance, marching band marched in with Irving's band and played in the pep section, and choir brought in all the pyramid choirs to sing the national anthem. That is just football season.

We have pyramid concerts, where every level performs pieces (elementary through high school choirs) then the entire WSHS pyramid, 100s of students, performs several songs together.

Theater hosts VIP backstage tours of the performances with Irving, and a Saturday workshop with the elementary kids.

There are pyramid fun runs, art shows, performing arts days, elementary school nights at various games.

Some of the high school programs go into the middle and elementary schools to perform or volunteer to run their school carnivals and help with elementary school events like bingo and individual school fun runs.

Is Lewis doing all of these kinds of activities for and with their elementary schools and middle schools?

They really help to build community in the school and make everyone down to the families of little kids connected to the high school and invested in making their community school a success.


Someone already pointed out that this comment on Lewis was tone deaf. But let's explain further. Lewis and West Springfield are right next to each other, but might as well be on different continents.

Enrollment
Lewis enrollment is now 1539. West Springfield enrollment is 2841. That is a difference of 1302 students across just four grades. Simply with this enrollment difference WS (and the parents) will have more ability to support activities.

But the demographics of the students (and thus the parents) make an even bigger difference.

F/R Lunch

Lewis is 55% F/R Lunch. West Springfield is 14% F/R lunch.

So the ratio of Non-F/R Lunch to F/R Lunch students at Lewis is basically 1:1. That means for every poor student at Lewis there is only one non-poor student (this makes a huge difference in activities).

At West Springfield, there are 6 non-poor kids to every poor student (6 to 1).

ESL

Lewis is 37.5% ESL. West Springfield is 5% ESL. So over a third of the students at Lewis (an by association their parents) do not speak English as their first language. Only 1 out of 20 students at West Springfield is in this situation.

These poor and non-English speaking parents are going to have a much harder time providing support to Lewis activities. Therefore you are expecting a very small subset of Lewis parents to some how pull off Herculean feats to somehow make Lewis remotely comparable to West Springfield. I guess the lazy Lewis parents just aren't getting the job done.

The fact that this situation has been allowed to develop and fester in FCPS is appalling.


If you read my follow up post, I agreed that what FCPS allowed to happen is appalling. I also wrote in that exchange:

"I will add that I feel strongly that it is a travesty that a county as wealthy and educated as FCPS with such high paid leadership would let Lewis fall into such disrepair and neglect, not just the programs at the school, but also the building and facilities.

I do wish you well whether you stay at Lewis and fight for it, or use a loophole to get out. A FCPS family in the richest area of the country should never see their school so neglected by their elected officials."




You only have 2 real options. Either you can just accept status quo and either stay and do nothing or use the existing loopholes to transfer. Or, you can try to find like minded parents to push Lewis to do more things to build community with the elementary schools to carry what you have at schools like Sprinfield Estates and Saratoga up to Lewis, to grow a sense of pride and community connection with Lewis, while pushing your school board rep to eliminate IB, switch to AP, and stop rezoning neighborhoods out of Lewis, as well as mobilizing and demanding that move you up in the renovation queue so your school is similar to all the other high schools.

What are your other options?

If you are an elementary school family, I would go for the latter, including trying to build more community at the high school, networking with Saratoga parents who have expressed similar experiences as Springfield Estates, and pushing for program changes.

If that doesn't work by high school, then bail and pupil place elsewhere.
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I doubt the whole Oak Hill would go to KAA. But maybe Emerald Chase goes to South Lakes and the rest of Oak Hill go to KAA.

Remember currently Emerald Chase kids (and Bradley Farm kids south of West Ox) go to Westfield. Moving them to KAA won’t give relief to Chantilly.


I don't take it for granted that Thru and the school board will do what makes sense, but what makes sense is to send Emerald Chase to KAA with the rest of Oak Hill in order to keep pyramids aligned (and, assuming the Franklin Middle School kids get redistricted for Carson, to eliminate a split feeder).


I agree. The school board has an opportunity to build an actual school pyramid with no split feeders with just making a few changes. I hope they don’t find a way to screw that up.


Thru basically gave Emerald Chase two choices: merge with Fox Mill and go to SLHS with other Fox Mill kids (no split feeder scenario 3) or stay with Oak Hill and split at MS/HS level (scenario 4).

I get that Emerald Chase parents may want to avoid SLHS but KAA can take only 2000 kids and Chantilly needs relief.

Emerald Chase parents have been very vocal about what they want. But it’s not like the school board and Thru ignored their original complaints.


I don't live in Emerald Chase, but nearby. I think they sincerely hate the split feeder thing. It seems that any time people object to going to a different school that people assume it is because it is a less desirable school.

I will remind you that during the South Lakes boundary study that Chantilly neighborhoods fought against one another to stay at Chantilly over Oakton--which, at the time, was considered a much more "desirable" school.


Then they can go with Scenario 3. No split feeding under Scenario 3.

But they lobbied hard against Scenario 3 to stay with Oak Hill. Now their wish is granted under Scenario 4. Are they going to complain about split feeding this time?

To be clear FCPS is not creating a new split feeding pattern here. Emerald Chase kids are currenlty going to Westfield, while the most Oak Hill kids are going to Chantilly.


Doubt those Oak Hill kids stay at Chantilly with the opening of KAA. Will be interesting to see what happens with those maps, as Dr. Reid indicated last night there will be changes at the MS and HS level which will be "feathered" into the Scenario 4 map. So basically buckle in.


Non Emerald Chase Oak Hill kids will likely get moved from Chantilly as Chantilly needs some relief.



I thought about this, and Oak Hill doesn’t necessarily need to move.

While Chantilly certainly needs relief, if Floris, McNair, and Coates are moved from Westfield to KAA, Westfield’s enrollment will drop so significantly (by about 1,000 or more students) that the county will likely need to move students from Chantilly to Westfield. For example, Brookfield could go to Westfield.



Oak Hill is right next to KAA though and more than half of it goes to Chantilly.


I get that and some Oak Hill kids may well end up getting moved from Chantily to KAA.

But my question is this: what are you going to do if Westfield enrollment drops from 2700 to 1700?

So far, no one answered to this question.


How are you seeing 1000 kids move from Westfield to KAA? Kids will be coming from Westfield, Chantilly, Oakton, and maybe even South Lakes.


How many kids from Coates, Floris, and McNair? That’s mostly Westfield and they should be the first moved to KAA.


Under Scenario 4

Floris: 731 (let's say 25% goes to SLHS, then 548)
McNair Upper: 627
McNair Lower: 571
Coates: 688
Total: 2534

Assuming a uniform distribution across grades, each grade would have about 362 students.

362*4 = 1448

1,000 is a conservatie estimate.

Y’all don’t seem to realize how crowded this part of the county is.

Everyone has been assuming that Floris, McNair, and Coates students will move from Westfield to KAA, but nobody has addressed what will happen with the massive enrollment drop at Westfield.



You're off. I actually did the math a few pages back - some of the schools also have declining enrollment with far fewer younger kids than older kids. You can kind of see this in the McNair upper vs lower numbers.


Mine is off because it shows way more than 1,000 (LOL).

Show me your calculation showing the impact is lower than 1,000.

I'm basing mine on Scenario 4 (https://www.fcpsboundaryreview.org).

Under Scenario 4, all of Coates's students are going to Westfield. Also, I don't think the trend matters for the anticipated enrollment figures in the boundary tool.




There are 200 Coates kids (K-6) that are assigned to Herndon High School. That would translate to around 120 students --assuming even distribution of grades.


they moved about 200 coates kids to herndon elementary. all of coates goes to westfield now. it’s not a split feeder with herndon because all kids who would go to herndon are now in the pyramid at herndon ES


But, someone was leaving them out of the estimate for Westfield. There are two different things going on here---boundary review as it applies to KAA and Westfield and Scenario 4.

I think the Herndon kids are still at Coates for now?
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As someone with a child in Lewis, I will say that there is community there. It is challenging, when you meet parents for whom English is not their first language, but they genuinely want their children to succeed. And just from that alone, we can bond. We're all there for our kids.

I've attended potlucks at Lewis with international flavors I've never had before and it was AMAZING!

Speaking of international, the international night at Lewis is always a sold-out event. There are other community events, like the holiday concert the band does for local preschools, and last year there was a trunk-or-treat event.

The teachers have been amazing and really work hard to help their kids succeed. They don't go easy, but they also really care. Throughout elementary and middle school, teachers only reached out to me when things went wrong for me kid, but the Lewis teachers reach out to let me know when my kid does awesome. (And seriously, the first time I got one of those messages, my heart pounded and I thought, "Oh crap, the teacher's emailed me!" But it was good news! Never before did a teacher email me with good news!)

I'm not willing to give up on Lewis. We have been so happy and welcomed there. It may be hard to see from the outside, but Lewis is a really good school and deserves so much more than what the school board is doing to it.

Yes, I'm talking to other parents, and yes, we plan to speak up on behalf of the school. We will do our best.
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Anonymous wrote:Not that it matters, but, KAA and Coates should be poster children for just why county-wide boundary studies should never be done. The level of detail, oxen gored, and local community input/support needed for redistrictings of the scale of adding a new HS, dealing with reallocating hundreds of kids from/to ESes or MSes, simply are impossible at the county-level.


I believe a minority of School Board members would just focus on Coates and KAA this round but they would be outvoted by Sandy Anderson and others.


Your weird obsession with Sandy is, well, weird.


I'm not the OP on this, but she is the Chair of the Board and has been pushing this whole this through. I think the better statement is..What's Sandy Anderson's obsession with pushing an inadequate and faulty boundary process? That's weird.
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Meren posted the following on her Facebook page:

"BOUNDARY REVIEW THOUGHTS

Last night, Herndon High School hosted a Community Boundary Review Meeting for the South Lakes and Herndon pyramids. As I left the meeting, I couldn't help but appreciate the students' art on the walls, including developed photos from film, the old-school way.

I also left with unanswered questions, as did many there, since only summaries of proposed changes to the South Lakes and Herndon pyramids were reviewed. Adjacent pyramids and the new Western High School were not addressed.

This is a gaping hole. I pressed the Superintendent to make this all available as soon as possible. I'm told the new maps for Western High School will be available by the end of October. We need the information sooner, and I will continue to speak up alongside our community to get answers."
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Anonymous wrote:As someone with a child in Lewis, I will say that there is community there. It is challenging, when you meet parents for whom English is not their first language, but they genuinely want their children to succeed. And just from that alone, we can bond. We're all there for our kids.

I've attended potlucks at Lewis with international flavors I've never had before and it was AMAZING!

Speaking of international, the international night at Lewis is always a sold-out event. There are other community events, like the holiday concert the band does for local preschools, and last year there was a trunk-or-treat event.

The teachers have been amazing and really work hard to help their kids succeed. They don't go easy, but they also really care. Throughout elementary and middle school, teachers only reached out to me when things went wrong for me kid, but the Lewis teachers reach out to let me know when my kid does awesome. (And seriously, the first time I got one of those messages, my heart pounded and I thought, "Oh crap, the teacher's emailed me!" But it was good news! Never before did a teacher email me with good news!)

I'm not willing to give up on Lewis. We have been so happy and welcomed there. It may be hard to see from the outside, but Lewis is a really good school and deserves so much more than what the school board is doing to it.

Yes, I'm talking to other parents, and yes, we plan to speak up on behalf of the school. We will do our best.


Do you think you need more kids or just more support? As a WSHS parent and teacher for FARMS kids for decades, I am not sure adding more kids will be the thing Lewis needs. More wrap around support for some families and allowing the children who are there to have access to more AP programming (even if that means smaller than typical class sizes) would probably be helpful to all. Focusing on test scores will never capture the learning that goes on for many children, and I hope FCPS is able to better articulate the true successes and achievements that students and families have at Title 1 schools.

Communities like Lewis are always amazing and unique places. THAT needs to be talked about more. That said, after decades of working to help children like many of those who attend Lewis, asking my family to sacrifice my child’s high school experience and have them attend one school for 9/10 and then a second school for 11/12 was too great a price for me to back switching kids from West Springfield to Lewis. It is just unfair to expect children to do that.

Lewis does deserve more support and accolades than it gets. How do we build that up?
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Reid tonight on western HS - really focused on bringing down enrollments at Chantilly, Centreville, and Westfield. Could have a little impact on South Lakes and Oakton (sounded like far less than any full South Lakes or Oakton feeder).

First boundary maps available around the time of the guided tour of KAA facility.
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Anonymous wrote:As someone with a child in Lewis, I will say that there is community there. It is challenging, when you meet parents for whom English is not their first language, but they genuinely want their children to succeed. And just from that alone, we can bond. We're all there for our kids.

I've attended potlucks at Lewis with international flavors I've never had before and it was AMAZING!

Speaking of international, the international night at Lewis is always a sold-out event. There are other community events, like the holiday concert the band does for local preschools, and last year there was a trunk-or-treat event.

The teachers have been amazing and really work hard to help their kids succeed. They don't go easy, but they also really care. Throughout elementary and middle school, teachers only reached out to me when things went wrong for me kid, but the Lewis teachers reach out to let me know when my kid does awesome. (And seriously, the first time I got one of those messages, my heart pounded and I thought, "Oh crap, the teacher's emailed me!" But it was good news! Never before did a teacher email me with good news!)

I'm not willing to give up on Lewis. We have been so happy and welcomed there. It may be hard to see from the outside, but Lewis is a really good school and deserves so much more than what the school board is doing to it.

Yes, I'm talking to other parents, and yes, we plan to speak up on behalf of the school. We will do our best.


That is so nice to hear. Thank you for sharing.

I sincerely wish you success. You have been badly mistreated by the school board for many years

One thing you have at Lewis that we don't over at larger schools like WSHS is that if your kid is a stand out they will really stand out, instead of being one of a crowd. That should help at college admissions time.

Good luck with your battle. I think all of us are fighting for what is best for our own kids, even when it doesn't match what is best for the families a neighborhood or two over.
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As between South Lakes and Oakton Reid seems to be suggesting more of SL might get moved into KAA than Oakton based on the drafts she's been reviewing. Obviously reading the tea leaves.
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Anonymous wrote:Meren posted the following on her Facebook page:

"BOUNDARY REVIEW THOUGHTS

Last night, Herndon High School hosted a Community Boundary Review Meeting for the South Lakes and Herndon pyramids. As I left the meeting, I couldn't help but appreciate the students' art on the walls, including developed photos from film, the old-school way.

I also left with unanswered questions, as did many there, since only summaries of proposed changes to the South Lakes and Herndon pyramids were reviewed. Adjacent pyramids and the new Western High School were not addressed.

This is a gaping hole. I pressed the Superintendent to make this all available as soon as possible. I'm told the new maps for Western High School will be available by the end of October. We need the information sooner, and I will continue to speak up alongside our community to get answers."


Why on earth would FCPS release maps showing a huge number of kids getting rezoned to one place, when they know full well that all of those neighborhoods will change again, even further out, once the maps for the new school are drafted?

Why in earth are they not delaying this by a year, to fall 2027, so they can have a more accurate picture of enrollment changes from rifs and deportations, as well as the new high school?

Why on earth does everything have to be orchestrated around their elections and political campaigns?

For once, can this school board make it about students and being responsible stewards of our taxpayer money?
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Anonymous wrote:Meren posted the following on her Facebook page:

"BOUNDARY REVIEW THOUGHTS

Last night, Herndon High School hosted a Community Boundary Review Meeting for the South Lakes and Herndon pyramids. As I left the meeting, I couldn't help but appreciate the students' art on the walls, including developed photos from film, the old-school way.

I also left with unanswered questions, as did many there, since only summaries of proposed changes to the South Lakes and Herndon pyramids were reviewed. Adjacent pyramids and the new Western High School were not addressed.

This is a gaping hole. I pressed the Superintendent to make this all available as soon as possible. I'm told the new maps for Western High School will be available by the end of October. We need the information sooner, and I will continue to speak up alongside our community to get answers."


Why on earth would FCPS release maps showing a huge number of kids getting rezoned to one place, when they know full well that all of those neighborhoods will change again, even further out, once the maps for the new school are drafted?

Why in earth are they not delaying this by a year, to fall 2027, so they can have a more accurate picture of enrollment changes from rifs and deportations, as well as the new high school?

Why on earth does everything have to be orchestrated around their elections and political campaigns?

For once, can this school board make it about students and being responsible stewards of our taxpayer money?

Also why are they wasting western Fairfax’s time with community meetings when they are getting ANOTHER set of maps to review in 10 days. They should have scheduled all of those pyramids for the last week. At least Chantilly and Westfield should have the maps by their October 30 meeting.
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I doubt the whole Oak Hill would go to KAA. But maybe Emerald Chase goes to South Lakes and the rest of Oak Hill go to KAA.

Remember currently Emerald Chase kids (and Bradley Farm kids south of West Ox) go to Westfield. Moving them to KAA won’t give relief to Chantilly.


I don't take it for granted that Thru and the school board will do what makes sense, but what makes sense is to send Emerald Chase to KAA with the rest of Oak Hill in order to keep pyramids aligned (and, assuming the Franklin Middle School kids get redistricted for Carson, to eliminate a split feeder).


I agree. The school board has an opportunity to build an actual school pyramid with no split feeders with just making a few changes. I hope they don’t find a way to screw that up.


Thru basically gave Emerald Chase two choices: merge with Fox Mill and go to SLHS with other Fox Mill kids (no split feeder scenario 3) or stay with Oak Hill and split at MS/HS level (scenario 4).

I get that Emerald Chase parents may want to avoid SLHS but KAA can take only 2000 kids and Chantilly needs relief.

Emerald Chase parents have been very vocal about what they want. But it’s not like the school board and Thru ignored their original complaints.


I don't live in Emerald Chase, but nearby. I think they sincerely hate the split feeder thing. It seems that any time people object to going to a different school that people assume it is because it is a less desirable school.

I will remind you that during the South Lakes boundary study that Chantilly neighborhoods fought against one another to stay at Chantilly over Oakton--which, at the time, was considered a much more "desirable" school.


Then they can go with Scenario 3. No split feeding under Scenario 3.

But they lobbied hard against Scenario 3 to stay with Oak Hill. Now their wish is granted under Scenario 4. Are they going to complain about split feeding this time?

To be clear FCPS is not creating a new split feeding pattern here. Emerald Chase kids are currenlty going to Westfield, while the most Oak Hill kids are going to Chantilly.


Doubt those Oak Hill kids stay at Chantilly with the opening of KAA. Will be interesting to see what happens with those maps, as Dr. Reid indicated last night there will be changes at the MS and HS level which will be "feathered" into the Scenario 4 map. So basically buckle in.


Non Emerald Chase Oak Hill kids will likely get moved from Chantilly as Chantilly needs some relief.



I thought about this, and Oak Hill doesn’t necessarily need to move.

While Chantilly certainly needs relief, if Floris, McNair, and Coates are moved from Westfield to KAA, Westfield’s enrollment will drop so significantly (by about 1,000 or more students) that the county will likely need to move students from Chantilly to Westfield. For example, Brookfield could go to Westfield.



Oak Hill is right next to KAA though and more than half of it goes to Chantilly.


I get that and some Oak Hill kids may well end up getting moved from Chantily to KAA.

But my question is this: what are you going to do if Westfield enrollment drops from 2700 to 1700?

So far, no one answered to this question.


How are you seeing 1000 kids move from Westfield to KAA? Kids will be coming from Westfield, Chantilly, Oakton, and maybe even South Lakes.


How many kids from Coates, Floris, and McNair? That’s mostly Westfield and they should be the first moved to KAA.


Under Scenario 4

Floris: 731 (let's say 25% goes to SLHS, then 548)
McNair Upper: 627
McNair Lower: 571
Coates: 688
Total: 2534

Assuming a uniform distribution across grades, each grade would have about 362 students.

362*4 = 1448

1,000 is a conservatie estimate.

Y’all don’t seem to realize how crowded this part of the county is.

Everyone has been assuming that Floris, McNair, and Coates students will move from Westfield to KAA, but nobody has addressed what will happen with the massive enrollment drop at Westfield.



You're off. I actually did the math a few pages back - some of the schools also have declining enrollment with far fewer younger kids than older kids. You can kind of see this in the McNair upper vs lower numbers.


Mine is off because it shows way more than 1,000 (LOL).

Show me your calculation showing the impact is lower than 1,000.

I'm basing mine on Scenario 4 (https://www.fcpsboundaryreview.org).

Under Scenario 4, all of Coates's students are going to Westfield. Also, I don't think the trend matters for the anticipated enrollment figures in the boundary tool.




There are 200 Coates kids (K-6) that are assigned to Herndon High School. That would translate to around 120 students --assuming even distribution of grades.


they moved about 200 coates kids to herndon elementary. all of coates goes to westfield now. it’s not a split feeder with herndon because all kids who would go to herndon are now in the pyramid at herndon ES


But, someone was leaving them out of the estimate for Westfield. There are two different things going on here---boundary review as it applies to KAA and Westfield and Scenario 4.

I think the Herndon kids are still at Coates for now?


i think the kids moved out of coates will stay at the new schools assigned (floris, mcnair and herndon ES). i think KAA will then incorporate the scenario 4 numbers of kids moved from coates when they decide who goes to KAA. like if they move coates there the enrollment will be lower than now, mcnair and floris will be higher than now.
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Langley/Oakton meeting going on now. I can’t follow the woman who is calling out the “unethical practice” some developers allegedly made when they made the Herndon homes only if they were in the Langley pyramid. Thankfully someone rightfully stated that no one in the Great Falls community wants any boundary changes. Everyone bought their homes knowing the pyramid. Reid said in the future they may not provide transportation that far west, but I bet parents would get together to find a solution. Leave the Langley Pyramid boundaries alone.
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Anonymous wrote:Reid tonight on western HS - really focused on bringing down enrollments at Chantilly, Centreville, and Westfield. Could have a little impact on South Lakes and Oakton (sounded like far less than any full South Lakes or Oakton feeder).

First boundary maps available around the time of the guided tour of KAA facility.


So it sounds like someone from Centreville might backfill Westfield?
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Anonymous wrote:Langley/Oakton meeting going on now. I can’t follow the woman who is calling out the “unethical practice” some developers allegedly made when they made the Herndon homes only if they were in the Langley pyramid. Thankfully someone rightfully stated that no one in the Great Falls community wants any boundary changes. Everyone bought their homes knowing the pyramid. Reid said in the future they may not provide transportation that far west, but I bet parents would get together to find a solution. Leave the Langley Pyramid boundaries alone.


FCPS cannot not provide bus service to far off neighborhoods.

Wtf?
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