US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:Which "certain" groups score lower than others? Why "certain"?

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Anonymous wrote:It is my understanding that GPA and test scores TOGETHER are both equally indicative of student performance. In other words, students with excellent grades can often have good SAT scores.

However, the reverse is not true. Students with lowGPAs can achieve excellent SAT scores through tutoring. This second scenario is not indicative of a good student. Just a good test taker who may have the money to “buy” their score.

In the end, GPA and rigor are king and this is why we are moving test optional… to level the playing field

You don't understand.
Rich people can hire tutors and afford to take shit ton of APs and college level math such as multi-variable calculus, differntial equations advance statistics, etc.
This boost their rigor points and weight GPA.

SAT is at least cover just the fundamental level that low income smart kids can compete.
There are really good free resources if you have smart and will.

grade inflation means GPA scores are meaningless.

Money can buy great extra curriculars.

At least SATs and APs are standard across the board. No grade inflation. You can get free test prep online at Khan (my kid used it) or at the library, and some schools even offer free test prep.

The SAT as mandatory train left the station years ago. Sorry.

Keep up with the trends. "MIT" isn't it.

HYPS, Columbia, etc. Is.

The "trend" is to increase diversity. And since certain groups score lower than others, and it was pretty obvious, they did away with it.

Keep up.

Probably due to the large IQ differences from a previous post. Blacks in the US have an average IQ of 83; Asians in the US have an average IQ of 108. To think that groups with such large differences in average IQ should have even remotely similar representation at top colleges is absurd.

Averages are useless in this conversation unless we use the average of the top 1%.

Similar standard deviations for all the groups, so based on that I’d expect the top 1% to start at 118 for blacks, 135 for Whites and 143 for Asians.

Holy smokes! You are literally making up numbers.

No, based on a standard deviation of 15, that’s the 99th percentile of each group based on average IQs of 83, 100 and 108 respectively.

No it doesn’t work like that. Holy smokes.

Ok, then what are 99th percentile scores for a normal distribution with a standard deviation of 15 for means of 83, 100 and 108?

https://sphweb.bumc.bu.edu/otlt/mph-modules/bs/bs704_probability/bs704_probability10.html

I’ll wait. The top 1% would be expected to have scores above this as this is just the threshold, buts it’s good as a baseline.

How do you think it works?

I'm not pp, but for most human tests (IQ included) the model's fit breaks down at roughly 97.5%, so you're a bit fishing when asking for the top 1%. Similarly, the 3, 4, 5 or higher SD have huge errors when you compare number of test takers actual vs expected.

That’s true; these kids of distributions often have fat tails, but given the vast differences in the means, you would expect many more White and Asian kids at the extremes needed for elite schools.

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I think it is really healthy to have an open discussion about discrimination against Asians. It is important to look at the impacts on all applicants. It has been verboten until now for Asians to have a voice in standing up for their rights and perspectives, because it has been seen as "white adjacent" and thus not valid, but somehow, with this affirmative action ruling we are having an open debate and not just shaming Asians into silence.

However, it is a settled matter.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is really healthy to have an open discussion about discrimination against Asians. It is important to look at the impacts on all applicants. It has been verboten until now for Asians to have a voice in standing up for their rights and perspectives, because it has been seen as "white adjacent" and thus not valid, but somehow, with this affirmative action ruling we are having an open debate and not just shaming Asians into silence.

However, it is a settled matter.

Maybe now we can have a discussion about Asian discrimination towards whites.

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This was arguably a weird instance of whites using Asians yo do their dirty work. It worked.

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Case is closed.

Nah. Give it eight years. New Court will reverse this and put in place an affirmative action program that blesses quotas. No judgment—just telling it like it is.

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There are enough Asians in the world to fill every seat in American universities. Do they not understand this? Or do they?

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Anonymous wrote:There are enough Asians in the world to fill every seat in American universities. Do they not understand this? Or do they?

This poster is consistently conflating Asians and Asian Americans. That is weird and not ok. Just thought someone should call it out.

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Anonymous wrote:This was arguably a weird instance of whites using Asians yo do their dirty work. It worked.

Ummmm… how? If Harvard etc truly admit “race blind” then whites will lose as well as blacks, and Asians will win big. HYPS etc would have TJ high school demographics.

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Anonymous wrote:There are enough Asians in the world to fill every seat in American universities. Do they not understand this? Or do they?

This poster is consistently conflating Asians and Asian Americans. That is weird and not ok. Just thought someone should call it out.

There is almost no difference. 93% of Asian college students are first or second generation Americans. Asians are 77% of international students in American universities.

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Anonymous wrote:There are enough Asians in the world to fill every seat in American universities. Do they not understand this? Or do they?

This poster is consistently conflating Asians and Asian Americans. That is weird and not ok. Just thought someone should call it out.

There is almost no difference. 93% of Asian college students are first or second generation Americans. Asians are 77% of international students in American universities.

Pure racism. Asian Americans are Americans. So what if they are first or second generation. You are othering them.

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If one day HYPS all have TJ high school demographics, what is the problem?

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Anonymous wrote:This was arguably a weird instance of whites using Asians yo do their dirty work. It worked.

Ummmm… how? If Harvard etc truly admit “race blind” then whites will lose as well as blacks, and Asians will win big. HYPS etc would have TJ high school demographics.

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Anonymous wrote:There are enough Asians in the world to fill every seat in American universities. Do they not understand this? Or do they?

This poster is consistently conflating Asians and Asian Americans. That is weird and not ok. Just thought someone should call it out.

There is almost no difference. 93% of Asian college students are first or second generation Americans. Asians are 77% of international students in American universities.

3rd generation and above makes you a real American or some sort of a royal American?

This is a person talking about diversity.

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Anonymous wrote:There are enough Asians in the world to fill every seat in American universities. Do they not understand this? Or do they?

This poster is consistently conflating Asians and Asian Americans. That is weird and not ok. Just thought someone should call it out.

There is almost no difference. 93% of Asian college students are first or second generation Americans. Asians are 77% of international students in American universities.

3rd generation and above makes you a real American or some sort of a royal American?

This is a person talking about diversity.

You may be confusing posters. Where does the poster you quoted write about diversity ?

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When and why did Asians become so obsessed with higher education? Is it just ingrained in the culture? and forgive my ignorance but when and why did the US have such an influx of Asians within the past thirty years? We’re lumping together a huge number of people by saying Asian. What we really mean are predominately Chinese, Korean, few Japanese, SW Asian/Indian. People don’t stress over Filipino people so much or Cambodian or Vietnamese etc. It’s all just so weird. The poster claiming that Asians could fill every seat in every US college. Is that your goal?

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Case is closed.

Nah. Give it eight years. New Court will reverse this and put in place an affirmative action program that blesses quotas. No judgment—just telling it like it is.

Not for 40+ years.

https://ballsandstrikes.org/court-reform/supreme-court-expansion-study-2065-big-yikes/