US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:Which "certain" groups score lower than others? Why "certain"?

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Anonymous wrote:It is my understanding that GPA and test scores TOGETHER are both equally indicative of student performance. In other words, students with excellent grades can often have good SAT scores.

However, the reverse is not true. Students with lowGPAs can achieve excellent SAT scores through tutoring. This second scenario is not indicative of a good student. Just a good test taker who may have the money to “buy” their score.

In the end, GPA and rigor are king and this is why we are moving test optional… to level the playing field

You don't understand.
Rich people can hire tutors and afford to take shit ton of APs and college level math such as multi-variable calculus, differntial equations advance statistics, etc.
This boost their rigor points and weight GPA.

SAT is at least cover just the fundamental level that low income smart kids can compete.
There are really good free resources if you have smart and will.

grade inflation means GPA scores are meaningless.

Money can buy great extra curriculars.

At least SATs and APs are standard across the board. No grade inflation. You can get free test prep online at Khan (my kid used it) or at the library, and some schools even offer free test prep.

The SAT as mandatory train left the station years ago. Sorry.

Keep up with the trends. "MIT" isn't it.

HYPS, Columbia, etc. Is.

The "trend" is to increase diversity. And since certain groups score lower than others, and it was pretty obvious, they did away with it.

Keep up.

Probably due to the large IQ differences from a previous post. Blacks in the US have an average IQ of 83; Asians in the US have an average IQ of 108. To think that groups with such large differences in average IQ should have even remotely similar representation at top colleges is absurd.

Averages are useless in this conversation unless we use the average of the top 1%.

Similar standard deviations for all the groups, so based on that I’d expect the top 1% to start at 118 for blacks, 135 for Whites and 143 for Asians.

Holy smokes! You are literally making up numbers.

No, based on a standard deviation of 15, that’s the 99th percentile of each group based on average IQs of 83, 100 and 108 respectively.

No it doesn’t work like that. Holy smokes.

Ok, then what are 99th percentile scores for a normal distribution with a standard deviation of 15 for means of 83, 100 and 108?

https://sphweb.bumc.bu.edu/otlt/mph-modules/bs/bs704_probability/bs704_probability10.html

I’ll wait. The top 1% would be expected to have scores above this as this is just the threshold, buts it’s good as a baseline.

How do you think it works?

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Anonymous wrote:Which "certain" groups score lower than others? Why "certain"?

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is my understanding that GPA and test scores TOGETHER are both equally indicative of student performance. In other words, students with excellent grades can often have good SAT scores.

However, the reverse is not true. Students with lowGPAs can achieve excellent SAT scores through tutoring. This second scenario is not indicative of a good student. Just a good test taker who may have the money to “buy” their score.

In the end, GPA and rigor are king and this is why we are moving test optional… to level the playing field

You don't understand.
Rich people can hire tutors and afford to take shit ton of APs and college level math such as multi-variable calculus, differntial equations advance statistics, etc.
This boost their rigor points and weight GPA.

SAT is at least cover just the fundamental level that low income smart kids can compete.
There are really good free resources if you have smart and will.

grade inflation means GPA scores are meaningless.

Money can buy great extra curriculars.

At least SATs and APs are standard across the board. No grade inflation. You can get free test prep online at Khan (my kid used it) or at the library, and some schools even offer free test prep.

The SAT as mandatory train left the station years ago. Sorry.

Keep up with the trends. "MIT" isn't it.

HYPS, Columbia, etc. Is.

The "trend" is to increase diversity. And since certain groups score lower than others, and it was pretty obvious, they did away with it.

Keep up.

Probably due to the large IQ differences from a previous post. Blacks in the US have an average IQ of 83; Asians in the US have an average IQ of 108. To think that groups with such large differences in average IQ should have even remotely similar representation at top colleges is absurd.

Averages are useless in this conversation unless we use the average of the top 1%.

Similar standard deviations for all the groups, so based on that I’d expect the top 1% to start at 118 for blacks, 135 for Whites and 143 for Asians.

Holy smokes! You are literally making up numbers.

No, based on a standard deviation of 15, that’s the 99th percentile of each group based on average IQs of 83, 100 and 108 respectively.

No it doesn’t work like that. Holy smokes.

Ok, then what are 99th percentile scores for a normal distribution with a standard deviation of 15 for means of 83, 100 and 108?

https://sphweb.bumc.bu.edu/otlt/mph-modules/bs/bs704_probability/bs704_probability10.html

I’ll wait. The top 1% would be expected to have scores above this as this is just the threshold, buts it’s good as a baseline.

How do you think it works?

You take the average of the top 1% you are only getting a range.

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Anonymous wrote:Remember when Mindy Kaling’s brother got into med school by stating he was black. He had a low 3.1 GPA. No Indian American student is getting into med school with a 3.1 GPA.

So now the next time someone on DCUM presents an anecdote about black students not being able to handle medical school the response will be "No. Those are Indian students fraudulently claiming to be black - just like Vijay Chokalingam did for a few years before dropping out."

That was fun! Please, give us some more clever commentary...

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Anonymous wrote:https://medium.com/@dddefenddiversitydd/anti-asian-american-bias-exists-but-here-are-ten-reasons-not-to-fall-for-the-asian-american-71ef01195189

Here are TEN reasons NOT to fall for the “Asian American Penalty” trap in admissions!

"There is no evidence of discrimination based on “personality.” The personal rating is not a personality rating. It is an assessment based on elements of the application file, including the teacher and guidance counselor reports and the alumni interviewer ratings. Asian American applicants, as a group, were assigned very slightly weaker personal ratings — only 0.05 points difference between Asian American and White applicants on average."

these from people that in their words 'All of us study Asian Americans for a living, and know all too well that Asian Americans are subject to microaggressions and exclusion based on race and immigrant status. These charges resonate with all Asian Americans. They confirm our worst fears. At the same time, we must remain skeptical of these charges and how they are being used. For instance, the SFFA filing repeats stereotypes that are not in the Harvard files submitted to the court. Some of these images were deployed over 30 years ago, but SFFA could not find them in the recent evidence produced in the lawsuit. SFFA relies on these kind of misleading inconsistencies.'

+1

Bogus case that 6-3 SCOTUS couldn't wait to take up.

I guess there was a legal "victory " achieved but people on here ( mostly trolls) are still complaining about Asian American "discrimination."

Life goes on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://medium.com/@dddefenddiversitydd/anti-asian-american-bias-exists-but-here-are-ten-reasons-not-to-fall-for-the-asian-american-71ef01195189

Here are TEN reasons NOT to fall for the “Asian American Penalty” trap in admissions!

"There is no evidence of discrimination based on “personality.” The personal rating is not a personality rating. It is an assessment based on elements of the application file, including the teacher and guidance counselor reports and the alumni interviewer ratings. Asian American applicants, as a group, were assigned very slightly weaker personal ratings — only 0.05 points difference between Asian American and White applicants on average."

these from people that in their words 'All of us study Asian Americans for a living, and know all too well that Asian Americans are subject to microaggressions and exclusion based on race and immigrant status. These charges resonate with all Asian Americans. They confirm our worst fears. At the same time, we must remain skeptical of these charges and how they are being used. For instance, the SFFA filing repeats stereotypes that are not in the Harvard files submitted to the court. Some of these images were deployed over 30 years ago, but SFFA could not find them in the recent evidence produced in the lawsuit. SFFA relies on these kind of misleading inconsistencies.'

+1

Bogus case that 6-3 SCOTUS couldn't wait to take up.

I guess there was a legal "victory " achieved but people on here ( mostly trolls) are still complaining about Asian American "discrimination."

Life goes on.

Move on.
Focus on ALDC now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://medium.com/@dddefenddiversitydd/anti-asian-american-bias-exists-but-here-are-ten-reasons-not-to-fall-for-the-asian-american-71ef01195189

Here are TEN reasons NOT to fall for the “Asian American Penalty” trap in admissions!

"There is no evidence of discrimination based on “personality.” The personal rating is not a personality rating. It is an assessment based on elements of the application file, including the teacher and guidance counselor reports and the alumni interviewer ratings. Asian American applicants, as a group, were assigned very slightly weaker personal ratings — only 0.05 points difference between Asian American and White applicants on average."

these from people that in their words 'All of us study Asian Americans for a living, and know all too well that Asian Americans are subject to microaggressions and exclusion based on race and immigrant status. These charges resonate with all Asian Americans. They confirm our worst fears. At the same time, we must remain skeptical of these charges and how they are being used. For instance, the SFFA filing repeats stereotypes that are not in the Harvard files submitted to the court. Some of these images were deployed over 30 years ago, but SFFA could not find them in the recent evidence produced in the lawsuit. SFFA relies on these kind of misleading inconsistencies.'

+1

Bogus case that 6-3 SCOTUS couldn't wait to take up.

I guess there was a legal "victory " achieved but people on here ( mostly trolls) are still complaining about Asian American "discrimination."

Life goes on.

Move on.
Focus on ALDC now.

Nope there is now a case against legacies let parlay this ridiculousness into more and more fake cases.

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Yep*

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which "certain" groups score lower than others? Why "certain"?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is my understanding that GPA and test scores TOGETHER are both equally indicative of student performance. In other words, students with excellent grades can often have good SAT scores.

However, the reverse is not true. Students with lowGPAs can achieve excellent SAT scores through tutoring. This second scenario is not indicative of a good student. Just a good test taker who may have the money to “buy” their score.

In the end, GPA and rigor are king and this is why we are moving test optional… to level the playing field

You don't understand.
Rich people can hire tutors and afford to take shit ton of APs and college level math such as multi-variable calculus, differntial equations advance statistics, etc.
This boost their rigor points and weight GPA.

SAT is at least cover just the fundamental level that low income smart kids can compete.
There are really good free resources if you have smart and will.

grade inflation means GPA scores are meaningless.

Money can buy great extra curriculars.

At least SATs and APs are standard across the board. No grade inflation. You can get free test prep online at Khan (my kid used it) or at the library, and some schools even offer free test prep.

The SAT as mandatory train left the station years ago. Sorry.

Keep up with the trends. "MIT" isn't it.

HYPS, Columbia, etc. Is.

The "trend" is to increase diversity. And since certain groups score lower than others, and it was pretty obvious, they did away with it.

Keep up.

Probably due to the large IQ differences from a previous post. Blacks in the US have an average IQ of 83; Asians in the US have an average IQ of 108. To think that groups with such large differences in average IQ should have even remotely similar representation at top colleges is absurd.

Averages are useless in this conversation unless we use the average of the top 1%.

Similar standard deviations for all the groups, so based on that I’d expect the top 1% to start at 118 for blacks, 135 for Whites and 143 for Asians.

Holy smokes! You are literally making up numbers.

No, based on a standard deviation of 15, that’s the 99th percentile of each group based on average IQs of 83, 100 and 108 respectively.

No it doesn’t work like that. Holy smokes.

Ok, then what are 99th percentile scores for a normal distribution with a standard deviation of 15 for means of 83, 100 and 108?

https://sphweb.bumc.bu.edu/otlt/mph-modules/bs/bs704_probability/bs704_probability10.html

I’ll wait. The top 1% would be expected to have scores above this as this is just the threshold, buts it’s good as a baseline.

How do you think it works?

I'm not pp, but for most human tests (IQ included) the model's fit breaks down at roughly 97.5%, so you're a bit fishing when asking for the top 1%. Similarly, the 3, 4, 5 or higher SD have huge errors when you compare number of test takers actual vs expected.

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The means are so different that the distributions would have to be incredibly quickly for the 1st percentiles to be remotely comparable. You are grasping at straws.

[Anonymous]

My experience with competitive Asian parents and kids is that they’re just as “racist” and exclusionary as the whites and others they bash. Asians aren’t applauding the SC decision because they’re more morally upright, but because they see a competitive advantage. That’s fine, but let’s just be honest about motivations here.

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Anonymous wrote:My experience with competitive Asian parents and kids is that they’re just as “racist” and exclusionary as the whites and others they bash. Asians aren’t applauding the SC decision because they’re more morally upright, but because they see a competitive advantage. That’s fine, but let’s just be honest about motivations here.

Definitely true. Of course their kids are also working significantly harder so it’s reasonable to want that effort to pay off.

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Anonymous wrote:My experience with competitive Asian parents and kids is that they’re just as “racist” and exclusionary as the whites and others they bash. Asians aren’t applauding the SC decision because they’re more morally upright, but because they see a competitive advantage. That’s fine, but let’s just be honest about motivations here.

Definitely true. Of course their kids are also working significantly harder so it’s reasonable to want that effort to pay off.

Yes, but then this is a cultural thing. Most white people don’t want a society run like a sweat shop, regardless if it’s academics or a manufacturing facility. There are enough Asians in this world to overrun all our universities, but does that give them a right to?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My experience with competitive Asian parents and kids is that they’re just as “racist” and exclusionary as the whites and others they bash. Asians aren’t applauding the SC decision because they’re more morally upright, but because they see a competitive advantage. That’s fine, but let’s just be honest about motivations here.

Definitely true. Of course their kids are also working significantly harder so it’s reasonable to want that effort to pay off.

Yes, but then this is a cultural thing. Most white people don’t want a society run like a sweat shop, regardless if it’s academics or a manufacturing facility. There are enough Asians in this world to overrun all our universities, but does that give them a right to?

Doesn’t really get more American than hustling to make it. Happy fourth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My experience with competitive Asian parents and kids is that they’re just as “racist” and exclusionary as the whites and others they bash. Asians aren’t applauding the SC decision because they’re more morally upright, but because they see a competitive advantage. That’s fine, but let’s just be honest about motivations here.

Definitely true. Of course their kids are also working significantly harder so it’s reasonable to want that effort to pay off.

Yes, but then this is a cultural thing. Most white people don’t want a society run like a sweat shop, regardless if it’s academics or a manufacturing facility. There are enough Asians in this world to overrun all our universities, but does that give them a right to?

Doesn’t really get more American than hustling to make it. Happy fourth.

Hustling is different. Look at China. Many workers live in dormitories. They literally live to work. That isn’t American.

[Anonymous]

This is a settled matter. What are you folks bickering about?