HOA pool ban for prior vandalism of HOA property

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems a bit much if that’s all they did. They should have had the boys rebuild the library and put it back in place. And then replenish the book supply. Maybe a two week ban from the pool but seven years for destroying a little free library? Dumb.

I agree. And frankly I think it's pretty gross that one of the HOA members is on here crowing up the "good buzz" the neighborhood has going on now that they destroyed this child. Yes, destroyed. The HOA has basically shunned a child from the neighborhood until he is a legal adult. That's not a learning experience, and it offers zero opportunity for him to redeem himself or to become a welcome, productive member of that community.

Bullies.

You need to take you kid to public pools and parks and get him some family therapy in the meantime. your hoa would be liable for gross negligence to allow your kid back on the property given his history and your lack of parental supervision. You would probably then sue them for not protecting him from himself. The HOA is not a public service organization. It’s not the HOA’s job to raise your child, their job is to protect property and mitigate risks. Stop taking your drama public and get you and your family some help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what it private property or HOA property. Special needs kid aside, because the 11 and 14 yr old probably didn’t know who personally made the free library if it was on HOA property. It is the equivalent of a teen knocking over a mailbox. Which is vandalism and wrong, but it isn’t some heinous act deserving to be banned from something for several years. I’m sure a large portion of their HOA fee goes toward pool maintenance and usage. I don’t see how they can legally keep that money and not allow them to utilize services for 7 years.

I had a neighbor who played mailbox baseball with some friends as a teen, turns out it was a federal offense that the government took very seriously. There was a court case, lawyers, and all sorts of fun. I believe it resolved in a plea bargain with a hefty fine and lots of community service. Don’t mess with mailboxes.

So the feds are more reasonable than the HOA? That's pretty amazing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what it private property or HOA property. Special needs kid aside, because the 11 and 14 yr old probably didn’t know who personally made the free library if it was on HOA property. It is the equivalent of a teen knocking over a mailbox. Which is vandalism and wrong, but it isn’t some heinous act deserving to be banned from something for several years. I’m sure a large portion of their HOA fee goes toward pool maintenance and usage. I don’t see how they can legally keep that money and not allow them to utilize services for 7 years.

I had a neighbor who played mailbox baseball with some friends as a teen, turns out it was a federal offense that the government took very seriously. There was a court case, lawyers, and all sorts of fun. I believe it resolved in a plea bargain with a hefty fine and lots of community service. Don’t mess with mailboxes.

So the feds are more reasonable than the HOA? That's pretty amazing.

I would bet that the amount that the family spent on lawyers and community service was far more then the families cost of not having access to the pool and play ground. And that whole having a juvenile record until your 18 thing. Toss in however his parents punished him and I suspect that a ban from the pool would have been fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what it private property or HOA property. Special needs kid aside, because the 11 and 14 yr old probably didn’t know who personally made the free library if it was on HOA property. It is the equivalent of a teen knocking over a mailbox. Which is vandalism and wrong, but it isn’t some heinous act deserving to be banned from something for several years. I’m sure a large portion of their HOA fee goes toward pool maintenance and usage. I don’t see how they can legally keep that money and not allow them to utilize services for 7 years.

I had a neighbor who played mailbox baseball with some friends as a teen, turns out it was a federal offense that the government took very seriously. There was a court case, lawyers, and all sorts of fun. I believe it resolved in a plea bargain with a hefty fine and lots of community service. Don’t mess with mailboxes.

So the feds are more reasonable than the HOA? That's pretty amazing.

Maybe if the kid showed up at the HOA meeting, paid compensation, and offered to do community service the HOA would have been more lenient. I promise you, if the PP's neighbor failed to show up to a hearing, refused to pay a fine, and balked a community service, the feds would have been a lot worse than the HOA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that they punched in the library door and tossed books in the woods but the parents are only paying $125 in fines collectively.

They should be paying $1,000 for the cost to replace the door and the library materials. The fact that they also weren't arrested for destruction of public property?

You know it’s not a real library right?

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My son is 37 years old, so I don't have to worry about him acting like these children did anymore, but if he did when he was a teen, he would still be banned by me as his parent. This type of behavior is unacceptable, and children need to understand there are consequences for their misdeeds. It appears that the parents don't understand sufficient parenting skills, because they want to blame others for the punishment that should only be felt by these children and their parents. Enough already! We need a country that is raising responsible and accountable children.

For 7 years?
And you realize this isn't just the pool they have banned the child from, but ALL HOA property? The playgrounds, the tennis courts, the parking lots? The community throws various celebrations throughout the year, like a fall festival, cookies with Santa, etc. and he is banned from that for the rest of his childhood.
You really don't think that is excessive?

I really don't know the facts, only what I read and watch here and other places. Everyone can make an argument, but what resonates with me is the fact that the parents put their children in the news. If my son or daughter did something like this, I most certainly wouldn't be asking for it to be on TV. If I thought the punishment given was excessive, which I doubt I would, I would take it to court, not air my family's dirty laundry on the TV. Makes me think that they don't have a good legal case, and we know that reporters make a story sound anyway they want to for try to attract an audience. Who really knows the answer are the parents, the boys, and the HOA. The story that has been put on TV only gave one side of the story, and it would be nice to hear the side of the HOA, but I doubt that ever would happen considering this a criminal issue with juveniles. I suspect that the truth lay somewhere in the middle , but I find it interesting that one boy is suspended for 1 year and the other for 7 years. That has to say something. I think everyone can agree that a one year suspension is reasonable, so that tells me that the HOA has the ability to act reasonable. Why would they act reasonable with one child and unreasonable with the other? i suspect there are some good reasons for the 7 years suspension. Hopefully this boy behaves himself and goes back to the HOA asking for forgiveness, and they give it too him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So what it private property or HOA property. Special needs kid aside, because the 11 and 14 yr old probably didn’t know who personally made the free library if it was on HOA property. It is the equivalent of a teen knocking over a mailbox. Which is vandalism and wrong, but it isn’t some heinous act deserving to be banned from something for several years. I’m sure a large portion of their HOA fee goes toward pool maintenance and usage. I don’t see how they can legally keep that money and not allow them to utilize services for 7 years.

+1

There was a lot of "my understanding" in the post by the Kingsbrooke HOA fangirl. We dont know what happened, but even if the residents broke the little library, the punishment of a 7 year ban certainly doesn't fit the crime.

I would be very skeptical of anything the HOA says, as they have a history of being incompetent. Their legal advisor is also an imbecile. Wouldn't be surprised if he went to Frostburg.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems a bit much if that’s all they did. They should have had the boys rebuild the library and put it back in place. And then replenish the book supply. Maybe a two week ban from the pool but seven years for destroying a little free library? Dumb.

I agree. And frankly I think it's pretty gross that one of the HOA members is on here crowing up the "good buzz" the neighborhood has going on now that they destroyed this child. Yes, destroyed. The HOA has basically shunned a child from the neighborhood until he is a legal adult. That's not a learning experience, and it offers zero opportunity for him to redeem himself or to become a welcome, productive member of that community.

Bullies.

You need to take you kid to public pools and parks and get him some family therapy in the meantime. your hoa would be liable for gross negligence to allow your kid back on the property given his history and your lack of parental supervision. You would probably then sue them for not protecting him from himself. The HOA is not a public service organization. It’s not the HOA’s job to raise your child, their job is to protect property and mitigate risks. Stop taking your drama public and get you and your family some help.

What are you talking about? My kid has never done anything like this. I don’t even know these people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone notice they were banned from the private pool and the park but their offense was to the public library? Another case of privileged children not getting a record or facing consequences.

I remember when we found out Sarah Palin's son had slashed the tired of school buses on school property in high school, wasn't arrested or punished, then what do you know - 5 years later as an adult he's attacking his father with a gun and has multiple arrest records.

This was one of the little libraries, the glorified box on a post. And it sounds like it was in the neighborhood, likely put up and/or maintained by the HOA.

No, it was built and put up by a special needs child with his family.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone notice they were banned from the private pool and the park but their offense was to the public library? Another case of privileged children not getting a record or facing consequences.

I remember when we found out Sarah Palin's son had slashed the tired of school buses on school property in high school, wasn't arrested or punished, then what do you know - 5 years later as an adult he's attacking his father with a gun and has multiple arrest records.

This was one of the little libraries, the glorified box on a post. And it sounds like it was in the neighborhood, likely put up and/or maintained by the HOA.

No, it was built and put up by a special needs child with his family.

Doesnt matter who made it. That really has nothing to do with the story. It wasn’t their personal “little library” in their front yard. It was the HOA’s on the HOA’s property.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what it private property or HOA property. Special needs kid aside, because the 11 and 14 yr old probably didn’t know who personally made the free library if it was on HOA property. It is the equivalent of a teen knocking over a mailbox. Which is vandalism and wrong, but it isn’t some heinous act deserving to be banned from something for several years. I’m sure a large portion of their HOA fee goes toward pool maintenance and usage. I don’t see how they can legally keep that money and not allow them to utilize services for 7 years.

I had a neighbor who played mailbox baseball with some friends as a teen, turns out it was a federal offense that the government took very seriously. There was a court case, lawyers, and all sorts of fun. I believe it resolved in a plea bargain with a hefty fine and lots of community service. Don’t mess with mailboxes.

So the feds are more reasonable than the HOA? That's pretty amazing.

I would bet that the amount that the family spent on lawyers and community service was far more then the families cost of not having access to the pool and play ground. And that whole having a juvenile record until your 18 thing. Toss in however his parents punished him and I suspect that a ban from the pool would have been fine.

It's not the money. It's the fact that they are shunning and excluding a child from his own community for 7 years (!) We don't even treat adult vandals like that.

[Anonymous]

There are consequences to actions. Learn it early

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what it private property or HOA property. Special needs kid aside, because the 11 and 14 yr old probably didn’t know who personally made the free library if it was on HOA property. It is the equivalent of a teen knocking over a mailbox. Which is vandalism and wrong, but it isn’t some heinous act deserving to be banned from something for several years. I’m sure a large portion of their HOA fee goes toward pool maintenance and usage. I don’t see how they can legally keep that money and not allow them to utilize services for 7 years.

I had a neighbor who played mailbox baseball with some friends as a teen, turns out it was a federal offense that the government took very seriously. There was a court case, lawyers, and all sorts of fun. I believe it resolved in a plea bargain with a hefty fine and lots of community service. Don’t mess with mailboxes.

So the feds are more reasonable than the HOA? That's pretty amazing.

I would bet that the amount that the family spent on lawyers and community service was far more then the families cost of not having access to the pool and play ground. And that whole having a juvenile record until your 18 thing. Toss in however his parents punished him and I suspect that a ban from the pool would have been fine.

It's not the money. It's the fact that they are shunning and excluding a child from his own community for 7 years (!) We don't even treat adult vandals like that.

OK, mom, the point is that you didn't show up at the HOA meeting to discuss what your son did, never apologized, refused to compensate for the damage, and then aired this all in the news. You are a PITA and you have taught your kids that getting attention is more important than being a good, kind, considerate person. No HOA would want you. Your child is being excluded from the pool because you have shown no remorse for destroying something that a disabled child built. Shame on you. Shame on you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what it private property or HOA property. Special needs kid aside, because the 11 and 14 yr old probably didn’t know who personally made the free library if it was on HOA property. It is the equivalent of a teen knocking over a mailbox. Which is vandalism and wrong, but it isn’t some heinous act deserving to be banned from something for several years. I’m sure a large portion of their HOA fee goes toward pool maintenance and usage. I don’t see how they can legally keep that money and not allow them to utilize services for 7 years.

I had a neighbor who played mailbox baseball with some friends as a teen, turns out it was a federal offense that the government took very seriously. There was a court case, lawyers, and all sorts of fun. I believe it resolved in a plea bargain with a hefty fine and lots of community service. Don’t mess with mailboxes.

So the feds are more reasonable than the HOA? That's pretty amazing.

I would bet that the amount that the family spent on lawyers and community service was far more then the families cost of not having access to the pool and play ground. And that whole having a juvenile record until your 18 thing. Toss in however his parents punished him and I suspect that a ban from the pool would have been fine.

It's not the money. It's the fact that they are shunning and excluding a child from his own community for 7 years (!) We don't even treat adult vandals like that.

If you knew anything about criminal law and the system then you wouldn't have made that statement and you would understand that Adult vandals would most certainly would be treat like that and probably would be prohibited from entering a victims property for life, not to mention jail time. Come to our court and just watch the sentences on these types of cases and you will see. I think the HOA should just give this to the court and let them deal with it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what it private property or HOA property. Special needs kid aside, because the 11 and 14 yr old probably didn’t know who personally made the free library if it was on HOA property. It is the equivalent of a teen knocking over a mailbox. Which is vandalism and wrong, but it isn’t some heinous act deserving to be banned from something for several years. I’m sure a large portion of their HOA fee goes toward pool maintenance and usage. I don’t see how they can legally keep that money and not allow them to utilize services for 7 years.

I had a neighbor who played mailbox baseball with some friends as a teen, turns out it was a federal offense that the government took very seriously. There was a court case, lawyers, and all sorts of fun. I believe it resolved in a plea bargain with a hefty fine and lots of community service. Don’t mess with mailboxes.

So the feds are more reasonable than the HOA? That's pretty amazing.

I would bet that the amount that the family spent on lawyers and community service was far more then the families cost of not having access to the pool and play ground. And that whole having a juvenile record until your 18 thing. Toss in however his parents punished him and I suspect that a ban from the pool would have been fine.

It's not the money. It's the fact that they are shunning and excluding a child from his own community for 7 years (!) We don't even treat adult vandals like that.

If you knew anything about criminal law and the system then you wouldn't have made that statement and you would understand that Adult vandals would most certainly would be treat like that and probably would be prohibited from entering a victims property for life, not to mention jail time. Come to our court and just watch the sentences on these types of cases and you will see. I think the HOA should just give this to the court and let them deal with it.

Prohibited for life?? Most restraining orders are only 1 year.