White Male Anger

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Anonymous wrote:I have become aware recently after having heard rants from my upper middle class white early thirties husband, that there is a subgroup of men who have a lot of resentment and anger at the state of current affairs in our society.

- They feel young boys are not included in early education and socialization efforts as the focus is solely on empowering young girls and minorities
- They feel resentful that they are being told they are "bad" or "toxic" and being called "rapist"
- Women and minorities are hired for jobs and opportunities instead of them
- Media is taken over by women and Minorities
- Politics is taken over by special interest groups that does not necessarily favor their interests

Is this a larger intellectual movement or not?

I am a white male job hunting and there are now Diversity and Inclusion recruiters. The jobs are not posted and they only reach out to women and minority women is a double plus.

Job is no posted anywhere, and recruiters are told no white makes.

Annoying as I see women and such post up on LinkedIn they got a new job that I should have at least interviewed for.

And whites women are now being stigmatized. But preferred also being given, gbkt, vets, etc

A middle aged straight white male who is not a veteran can’t find work. In fact can’t even see the jobs as not posted.

Also it starts in 11 grade as a white male can’t even get into a good college

https://www.yale.edu/about-yale/yale-facts

53.7% of students at Yale are white. Are they all women or is Yale not a "good college"?

So whites are underrepresented? Whites make up 75% of the population.

75% of the global population is not white.

And why would a school built in the US, supported by the US for 300 years and funded with US tax dollars care about the world population?

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Anonymous wrote:I have become aware recently after having heard rants from my upper middle class white early thirties husband, that there is a subgroup of men who have a lot of resentment and anger at the state of current affairs in our society.

- They feel young boys are not included in early education and socialization efforts as the focus is solely on empowering young girls and minorities
- They feel resentful that they are being told they are "bad" or "toxic" and being called "rapist"
- Women and minorities are hired for jobs and opportunities instead of them
- Media is taken over by women and Minorities
- Politics is taken over by special interest groups that does not necessarily favor their interests

Is this a larger intellectual movement or not?

I am a white male job hunting and there are now Diversity and Inclusion recruiters. The jobs are not posted and they only reach out to women and minority women is a double plus.

Job is no posted anywhere, and recruiters are told no white makes.

Annoying as I see women and such post up on LinkedIn they got a new job that I should have at least interviewed for.

And whites women are now being stigmatized. But preferred also being given, gbkt, vets, etc

A middle aged straight white male who is not a veteran can’t find work. In fact can’t even see the jobs as not posted.

Also it starts in 11 grade as a white male can’t even get into a good college

https://www.yale.edu/about-yale/yale-facts

53.7% of students at Yale are white. Are they all women or is Yale not a "good college"?

So whites are underrepresented? Whites make up 75% of the population.

53.7% of students at Yale are white. Are they all women or is Yale not a "good college"?

Right, 53.7%. Why is it 20% less than the representative population of the country?

< 75% of the population is white among those under 18.

Not of those qualified for college attendance. See race statistics for both SAT and ACT.

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Anonymous wrote:I have become aware recently after having heard rants from my upper middle class white early thirties husband, that there is a subgroup of men who have a lot of resentment and anger at the state of current affairs in our society.

- They feel young boys are not included in early education and socialization efforts as the focus is solely on empowering young girls and minorities
- They feel resentful that they are being told they are "bad" or "toxic" and being called "rapist"
- Women and minorities are hired for jobs and opportunities instead of them
- Media is taken over by women and Minorities
- Politics is taken over by special interest groups that does not necessarily favor their interests

Is this a larger intellectual movement or not?

I am a white male job hunting and there are now Diversity and Inclusion recruiters. The jobs are not posted and they only reach out to women and minority women is a double plus.

Job is no posted anywhere, and recruiters are told no white makes.

Annoying as I see women and such post up on LinkedIn they got a new job that I should have at least interviewed for.

And whites women are now being stigmatized. But preferred also being given, gbkt, vets, etc

A middle aged straight white male who is not a veteran can’t find work. In fact can’t even see the jobs as not posted.

Also it starts in 11 grade as a white male can’t even get into a good college

https://www.yale.edu/about-yale/yale-facts

53.7% of students at Yale are white. Are they all women or is Yale not a "good college"?

So whites are underrepresented? Whites make up 75% of the population.

75% of the global population is not white.

And why would a school built in the US, supported by the US for 300 years and funded with US tax dollars care about the world population?

Yale is a private institution. For decades only white men could attend. Times have changed and now they value a different demographic makeup. Too bad so sad.

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Anonymous wrote:I have become aware recently after having heard rants from my upper middle class white early thirties husband, that there is a subgroup of men who have a lot of resentment and anger at the state of current affairs in our society.

- They feel young boys are not included in early education and socialization efforts as the focus is solely on empowering young girls and minorities
- They feel resentful that they are being told they are "bad" or "toxic" and being called "rapist"
- Women and minorities are hired for jobs and opportunities instead of them
- Media is taken over by women and Minorities
- Politics is taken over by special interest groups that does not necessarily favor their interests

Is this a larger intellectual movement or not?

I am a white male job hunting and there are now Diversity and Inclusion recruiters. The jobs are not posted and they only reach out to women and minority women is a double plus.

Job is no posted anywhere, and recruiters are told no white makes.

Annoying as I see women and such post up on LinkedIn they got a new job that I should have at least interviewed for.

And whites women are now being stigmatized. But preferred also being given, gbkt, vets, etc

A middle aged straight white male who is not a veteran can’t find work. In fact can’t even see the jobs as not posted.

Also it starts in 11 grade as a white male can’t even get into a good college

https://www.yale.edu/about-yale/yale-facts

53.7% of students at Yale are white. Are they all women or is Yale not a "good college"?

So whites are underrepresented? Whites make up 75% of the population.

75% of the global population is not white.

And why would a school built in the US, supported by the US for 300 years and funded with US tax dollars care about the world population?

Yale is a private institution. For decades only white men could attend. Times have changed and now they value a different demographic makeup. Too bad so sad.

Visa ‘reform’ can fix that problem real fast

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Anonymous wrote:Well, if you look at the math of it, you can see that both sides have a "point."

The U.S. is 60.7% non-Hispanic Caucasian. So cut that in half, and the U.S is around 30% white male. Their share of boardrooms, Congress, news anchor spots, and tenured academic spots used to be close to 100%. There is no way that getting that down to a proportionate representation (i.e. 30%, or let's say even 40% considering the complication of gendered choices in terms of child-rearing) is not going to be felt as a loss. I get that.

The annoying thing with the MRA, etc. grievance movement is that the (very slow) adjustment of representation in positions of power and influence is not because white males are being discriminated against. How could this be? If anything, the fact that their "share" of these positions is probably 75%+ today is evidence that they still benefit from reverse discrimination or at least significant structural and institutional advantages.

So you think that people should be immediately able to move to the US and take existing professional positions (or positions of power and influence) away from people who have already put in the time and education to rise to those jobs, so that races are proportional? And if they don't, it's racism? How about the fact that a large share of the immigrants to this country have very little education? Just like whites coming to the US spent several generations rising up from their agricultural backgrounds, the same will be necessary for the "new Americans." And it has nothing to do with racism. If you care about racial equity in power, start by reforming K-12 education in your hometown.

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Agreed. It is forced and contrived. Every ad these days features a white man/black woman couple. This is a really tiny percentage of marriages IRL. A white/Asian couple would be more realistic. But, no, the media, government and corporate America seems to have this rabid compulsion to pander to black people this year and earn their SJW points.

Interesting that you mention this, but not for the reason you believe. Yes, WM/BW couples are very common in media, but that's partly because mainstream America remains uncomfortable with Black male patriarchs in mixed race families. Remember the collective racist freakout over a biracial family in 2013? In the Cheerios commercial? That was a BM/WW pairing and racists lost their GD minds.

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Anonymous wrote:I have discussed with my WOC friends that white women have been also weaponizing privilege forever in order to maintain their place atop the societal hierarchy. I also think that this must be taken into account in any discussion about race, resources, and opportunity hoarding.

I'm reading Hood Feminisim rn. All white women should.

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https://www.yale.edu/about-yale/yale-facts

53.7% of students at Yale are white. Are they all women or is Yale not a "good college"?

So whites are underrepresented? Whites make up 75% of the population.

75% of the global population is not white.

And why would a school built in the US, supported by the US for 300 years and funded with US tax dollars care about the world population?

Yale is a private institution. For decades only white men could attend. Times have changed and now they value a different demographic makeup. Too bad so sad.

Visa ‘reform’ can fix that problem real fast

Who are "They"? Why do they value different demographics? These "they" are the handful of rich White males who want to become more and more rich. They want a workforce that can let them rule the world. So they do not have the need for subpar people who are not very educated and they want people who are diverse so that they can make inroads into diverse markets, segments, countries.

If you are a White male and feel left behind then the truth is that rich White people like Trump, Murdoch, Kushner, GOP, anti-labor, anti-democracy people have shafted you like they have shafted everybody else. You can continue taking it in your asses or you could change your blind allegiance. You are already a disposable piece of toilet paper for the rich White males. Yeah, sorry but sucks to be you but you are worthless to the elite who are rich, male, connected, greedy, unworthy, lacking merit, evil and White. Be angry because you have been suckered by them.

Do I need to change your mind and heart about Trump? What about Joel Osteen? What about Tucker Carlson? Or Rush Limbaugh? You are are so stupid!!

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Anonymous wrote:I have become aware recently after having heard rants from my upper middle class white early thirties husband, that there is a subgroup of men who have a lot of resentment and anger at the state of current affairs in our society.

- They feel young boys are not included in early education and socialization efforts as the focus is solely on empowering young girls and minorities
- They feel resentful that they are being told they are "bad" or "toxic" and being called "rapist"
- Women and minorities are hired for jobs and opportunities instead of them
- Media is taken over by women and Minorities
- Politics is taken over by special interest groups that does not necessarily favor their interests

Is this a larger intellectual movement or not?

I am a white male job hunting and there are now Diversity and Inclusion recruiters. The jobs are not posted and they only reach out to women and minority women is a double plus.

Job is no posted anywhere, and recruiters are told no white makes.

Annoying as I see women and such post up on LinkedIn they got a new job that I should have at least interviewed for.

And whites women are now being stigmatized. But preferred also being given, gbkt, vets, etc

A middle aged straight white male who is not a veteran can’t find work. In fact can’t even see the jobs as not posted.

Also it starts in 11 grade as a white male can’t even get into a good college

I graduated grad school in the sciences and know of one minority female in the same program who went to go to work in pharma as a scientist right out of school (extremely difficult job to obtain). In less than 3 years she's now a senior scientist. That's absurd. That's all without doing any post-doc of any kind and also having no prior industry experience. If you're white and male, just to get a scientist position in pharma you better have publications out the wazoo in top journals, and you better have 5+ years of post-doc experience in a prestigious lab. Then you'll only start as a scientist, and it'll take another 5-10+ years of experience to reach a senior scientist position. You can also forget about getting a tenure track position these days in academia if you're a white dude. It's ridiculous pandering to diversity without requiring people to put in the time and training like other groups. The person I know that rocketed up to a position like that also came from an UMC family - her dad was a professor and mom was a physician. As if she came from an underprivileged household my behind. My mom was a social worker for the state making $31k per year and my dad was a mechanic making $45k per year. I guess I had more privilege though growing up in a very blue collar home than a minority person who grew up in a 6 figure income household.

Asian men also face the same discrimination, as was revealed by the google lawsuits. This is why China and Asia will be much better in the future when it comes to innovation and GDP growth - they hire the best people possible and don't care about diversity crap. I've even seriously considered moving East to take my skills elsewhere where aptitude and skills are rewarded, and people don't get promoted for identity issues. Plenty of opportunities exist in China, Singapore, and Korea these days. The vast majority of economic growth will be in Asia in 21st century anyway as they blow away the US.

Do you really think people with options will choose to immigrate to a totalitarian country that has no problem imprisoning foreigners on a political whim that randomly ruins powerful people for speaking ill of leadership? Good luck with that

Spoken like someone who doesn't work in science. You'd be very, very surprised at how much China is currently sniping talent away from the US. They're offering people sometimes over $1M USD to come and open up labs. Biotech is blowing up in China. But keep sticking your head in the sand. China's GDP will be double the size of the US' by about 2050. Everything is moving east, and it'll only get worse as Eastern economies focus on hiring talent, while the US and the west are stuck on hiring people for identity.

If you love Asia so much, why don't you go back? China is benefiting from the work and educational systems of the US and Western world. They are incapable of innovating. The US certainly needs to stop hiring based on identity, but China will be a problem because it is a cheater (to the tune of $600 billion in stolen IP every year) - which game theory tells us, wins in these situations - not because it has anything of substance to offer the world. Japan, however, IS an innovative country (and culture), hopefully they become the superpower in the East.

You don't know crap. Because westerners are the only people on Earth capable of innovating. China, without question, is now the world leader in quantum telecommunications and is now eclipsing the US and the rest of the west in the artificial intelligence race. China invests in research and development, and hires the best people. No one gets extra points for identity crap. Go read up on how labs are funded in China. The use objective measures to evaluate candidates for funding research. The west is increasingly becoming a has been, and the focus on identity politics will only hasten the downfall because all it does is create tribalism and promotions based on who you sleep with, what you have between your legs, and your race. Whether your western ethnocentric ass likes it or not, this is the reality of what's coming:



People with talent will move east for work, because they'll get jobs for their skills and not for identity's sake.

make the same graph per capita and it looks far different. Who cares though- do you think people in western Europe care that their empires are gone and wish they could go back to bankrupting themselves to maintain dominance or do you think they are enjoying a high quality of life because their countries prioritize their citizens

OT, but quite a bit of their "high quality of life" is subsidized by this country, since we pay for their health care innovation, energy stability and defense. And in lots of measures, life there is lower quality than in the US. But they rock at public transportation.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, if you look at the math of it, you can see that both sides have a "point."

The U.S. is 60.7% non-Hispanic Caucasian. So cut that in half, and the U.S is around 30% white male. Their share of boardrooms, Congress, news anchor spots, and tenured academic spots used to be close to 100%. There is no way that getting that down to a proportionate representation (i.e. 30%, or let's say even 40% considering the complication of gendered choices in terms of child-rearing) is not going to be felt as a loss. I get that.

The annoying thing with the MRA, etc. grievance movement is that the (very slow) adjustment of representation in positions of power and influence is not because white males are being discriminated against. How could this be? If anything, the fact that their "share" of these positions is probably 75%+ today is evidence that they still benefit from reverse discrimination or at least significant structural and institutional advantages.

So you think that people should be immediately able to move to the US and take existing professional positions (or positions of power and influence) away from people who have already put in the time and education to rise to those jobs, so that races are proportional? And if they don't, it's racism? How about the fact that a large share of the immigrants to this country have very little education? Just like whites coming to the US spent several generations rising up from their agricultural backgrounds, the same will be necessary for the "new Americans." And it has nothing to do with racism. If you care about racial equity in power, start by reforming K-12 education in your hometown.

Just stop. You think uneducated Guatemalans are taking positions of power and influence away from educated white Americans? What kind of fantasy red pill message board did you get that from?

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Anonymous wrote:I have discussed with my WOC friends that white women have been also weaponizing privilege forever in order to maintain their place atop the societal hierarchy. I also think that this must be taken into account in any discussion about race, resources, and opportunity hoarding.

I'm reading Hood Feminisim rn. All white women should.

+1 Yes, white women hoard privilege. Yes, we have a ton of work to do, particularly around how we weaponize our "feelings" over the lived experience of PoC. No, most of us are not the amazing allies we think we arel.

None of that is really relevant to the OP, except insofar as we are raising the next generation of resentful white dudes by complaining about the "lack of boys" in media, contra to actual representation.

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Anonymous wrote:Female here I can’t speak to other things but I can definitely say my young son is not seeing boys on tv being role models. Everything is geared toward girls now. Characters being changed to female all the time. It’s ridiculous to swing so far to the other side so all I can show my son is old tv shows or movies with a boy lead.

Why cant you son look to female role models? Girls have had to look to male role models for years! My nephew an avid skier just wanted a famous woman skier because that is his role model! If you are showing him old stuff he will get thr ideas that only white men can do stuff and save the day.

Your son wont break if he is shown women or POC as lead actors!

I hate when someone says it had "swung too far the other way" where we were you when yhe great white male way was the only way?

There have been strong female role models in the media, it's just that the media does it horribly these days and shoves the diversity crap down your throat. They used to do it better back in the old days. Evvvvvvvvvvvveryone loves a strong female character like Ripley from Aliens, or a strong black character like Sidney Poitier. But these days, they do diversity for diversity's sake, and it is lame as hell. It is phony grandstanding to cater toward an agenda. Everyone can see through the flimsy efforts.

Agreed. It is forced and contrived. Every ad these days features a white man/black woman couple. This is a really tiny percentage of marriages IRL. A white/Asian couple would be more realistic. But, no, the media, government and corporate America seems to have this rabid compulsion to pander to black people this year and earn their SJW points.

Corporate America cares about the money. They always have. So when you see more diversity in advertising, it is recognizing the reality of who is spending money, period. That's why the cleaning product ads are STILL all directed at women.

No, they do a LOT to mold cultural change in the US. It is not all about the money, or you would not see corporations making really political statements that alienate half of the country. They have political goals.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, if you look at the math of it, you can see that both sides have a "point."

The U.S. is 60.7% non-Hispanic Caucasian. So cut that in half, and the U.S is around 30% white male. Their share of boardrooms, Congress, news anchor spots, and tenured academic spots used to be close to 100%. There is no way that getting that down to a proportionate representation (i.e. 30%, or let's say even 40% considering the complication of gendered choices in terms of child-rearing) is not going to be felt as a loss. I get that.

The annoying thing with the MRA, etc. grievance movement is that the (very slow) adjustment of representation in positions of power and influence is not because white males are being discriminated against. How could this be? If anything, the fact that their "share" of these positions is probably 75%+ today is evidence that they still benefit from reverse discrimination or at least significant structural and institutional advantages.

So you think that people should be immediately able to move to the US and take existing professional positions (or positions of power and influence) away from people who have already put in the time and education to rise to those jobs, so that races are proportional? And if they don't, it's racism? How about the fact that a large share of the immigrants to this country have very little education? Just like whites coming to the US spent several generations rising up from their agricultural backgrounds, the same will be necessary for the "new Americans." And it has nothing to do with racism. If you care about racial equity in power, start by reforming K-12 education in your hometown.

Just stop. You think uneducated Guatemalans are taking positions of power and influence away from educated white Americans? What kind of fantasy red pill message board did you get that from?

You don't read very well, do you? First PP complains that positions of power and influence do not reflect current population in the US and that whites retain these positions because of racism. Next PP says, no duh, uneducated Guatemalans aren't going to walk across the border into boardrooms, and it has nothing to do with racism.

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Anonymous wrote:I have discussed with my WOC friends that white women have been also weaponizing privilege forever in order to maintain their place atop the societal hierarchy. I also think that this must be taken into account in any discussion about race, resources, and opportunity hoarding.

I'm reading Hood Feminisim rn. All white women should.

+1 Yes, white women hoard privilege. Yes, we have a ton of work to do, particularly around how we weaponize our "feelings" over the lived experience of PoC. No, most of us are not the amazing allies we think we arel.

None of that is really relevant to the OP, except insofar as we are raising the next generation of resentful white dudes by complaining about the "lack of boys" in media, contra to actual representation.

And that is what makes white women wholly relevant to the topic of the discussion, except not in the dismissive way you framed it.

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It's so hilarious.


White males are basically like cartoonish villains at this point. Every white dude is now a nazi, slave owner or a woman oppressor. The media enables the blatant and racist characterization of white dudes. It must make people insane when any white dude shows or feels zero guilt for being a white dude.

I mean we all know we couldn't start equally outrageous threads targeting black males, hispanic males, white women, or any other group without outrage over sexism, racism, or claims that the thread lacks sexuality sensitivity.