Discrimination against Asians

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Anonymous wrote:This is 2020. Admissions should be based on academic success, not your skin color. Period.

We've all been saying this and it's already a blind admission process.

The problem is FCPS doesn't like the end result...hence the overall.

The lottery is not race based. If you're not one of the Asians who ignored FCPS's intent for the QuantQ to be secure, blame the Asians who ignored that for the lottery system.

The lottery attempts to decrease the Asian percentage by more than 20 percentage points. This is race-driven.

The lottery attempts to increase the percentage of Black, Hispanic and low-income students and to reduce the percentage of students coming from specific middle school feeders.

To claim that is "race-driven" while somehow thinking it is not "race-driven" to have a magnet school when not a single student in the Class of 2024 is Black is telling.

To not have a single student in the class of 2024 is a major issue, but to adopt a system that is intended to increase the % of one race by reducing the % of student population of another ethnicity is racist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is 2020. Admissions should be based on academic success, not your skin color. Period.

We've all been saying this and it's already a blind admission process.

The problem is FCPS doesn't like the end result...hence the overall.

The lottery is not race based. If you're not one of the Asians who ignored FCPS's intent for the QuantQ to be secure, blame the Asians who ignored that for the lottery system.

If cheating on the QuantQ or the safe keeping of the QuantQ is the problem, why not fix that first? Have they investigated on how and why cheaters are able to gain access? If we are able to catch the cheaters who are sending their non-athletic kids to colleges as recruits, we surely can do something about this QuantQ leak.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is 2020. Admissions should be based on academic success, not your skin color. Period.

We've all been saying this and it's already a blind admission process.

The problem is FCPS doesn't like the end result...hence the overall.

The lottery is not race based. If you're not one of the Asians who ignored FCPS's intent for the QuantQ to be secure, blame the Asians who ignored that for the lottery system.

The lottery attempts to decrease the Asian percentage by more than 20 percentage points. This is race-driven.

The lottery attempts to increase the percentage of Black, Hispanic and low-income students and to reduce the percentage of students coming from specific middle school feeders.

To claim that is "race-driven" while somehow thinking it is not "race-driven" to have a magnet school when not a single student in the Class of 2024 is Black is telling.

To not have a single student in the class of 2024 is a major issue, but to adopt a system that is intended to increase the % of one race by reducing the % of student population of another ethnicity is racist.

Did Asian families have similar objections when prestigious American colleges and universities diversified their student bodies from their WASP (and often all-male) origins?

One can focus on the affirmative intent, or simply treat everything as a zero-sum game when every effort to make institutions more representative is to be maligned.

[Anonymous]

How about the discrimination against black and hispanic people?? You don't seem to have a problem with that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is 2020. Admissions should be based on academic success, not your skin color. Period.

We've all been saying this and it's already a blind admission process.

The problem is FCPS doesn't like the end result...hence the overall.

The lottery is not race based. If you're not one of the Asians who ignored FCPS's intent for the QuantQ to be secure, blame the Asians who ignored that for the lottery system.

The lottery attempts to decrease the Asian percentage by more than 20 percentage points. This is race-driven.

The lottery attempts to increase the percentage of Black, Hispanic and low-income students and to reduce the percentage of students coming from specific middle school feeders.

To claim that is "race-driven" while somehow thinking it is not "race-driven" to have a magnet school when not a single student in the Class of 2024 is Black is telling.

To not have a single student in the class of 2024 is a major issue, but to adopt a system that is intended to increase the % of one race by reducing the % of student population of another ethnicity is racist.

Did Asian families have similar objections when prestigious American colleges and universities diversified their student bodies from their WASP (and often all-male) origins?

One can focus on the affirmative intent, or simply treat everything as a zero-sum game when every effort to make institutions more representative is to be maligned.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is 2020. Admissions should be based on academic success, not your skin color. Period.

We've all been saying this and it's already a blind admission process.

The problem is FCPS doesn't like the end result...hence the overall.

The lottery is not race based. If you're not one of the Asians who ignored FCPS's intent for the QuantQ to be secure, blame the Asians who ignored that for the lottery system.

If cheating on the QuantQ or the safe keeping of the QuantQ is the problem, why not fix that first? Have they investigated on how and why cheaters are able to gain access? If we are able to catch the cheaters who are sending their non-athletic kids to colleges as recruits, we surely can do something about this QuantQ leak.

Because cheaters always find a new way to cheat the system, and it is not worth our tax dollars chasing people like you, who think cheating is acceptable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is 2020. Admissions should be based on academic success, not your skin color. Period.

We've all been saying this and it's already a blind admission process.

The problem is FCPS doesn't like the end result...hence the overall.

The lottery is not race based. If you're not one of the Asians who ignored FCPS's intent for the QuantQ to be secure, blame the Asians who ignored that for the lottery system.

If cheating on the QuantQ or the safe keeping of the QuantQ is the problem, why not fix that first? Have they investigated on how and why cheaters are able to gain access? If we are able to catch the cheaters who are sending their non-athletic kids to colleges as recruits, we surely can do something about this QuantQ leak.

Are you paying for it, and your cheater friends, yourselves, out of your pockets? (Feign ignorance here).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is 2020. Admissions should be based on academic success, not your skin color. Period.

We've all been saying this and it's already a blind admission process.

The problem is FCPS doesn't like the end result...hence the overall.

The lottery is not race based. If you're not one of the Asians who ignored FCPS's intent for the QuantQ to be secure, blame the Asians who ignored that for the lottery system.

The lottery attempts to decrease the Asian percentage by more than 20 percentage points. This is race-driven.

The lottery attempts to increase the percentage of Black, Hispanic and low-income students and to reduce the percentage of students coming from specific middle school feeders.

To claim that is "race-driven" while somehow thinking it is not "race-driven" to have a magnet school when not a single student in the Class of 2024 is Black is telling.

To not have a single student in the class of 2024 is a major issue, but to adopt a system that is intended to increase the % of one race by reducing the % of student population of another ethnicity is racist.

Why do you think you have the right to an Asian School?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The reason TJ admissions is hitting a nerve for Asians is that they believe that STEM is one of the few ways in which they could work hard and excel. They think at least this is fair. Let's face it, they have had trouble being represented in sports (possibly due to genetics). They are not represented in Hollywood (lead roles go to blacks 15% of the time, Asians 1% of the time), or in places of power; politics/governorship/senate/supreme court/cabinet. Although they disproportionately get into top colleges (usually despite discrimination - see what is going on with Harvard and Yale), they face a struggle in career advancement after college.

https://hbr.org/2018/05/asian-americans-are-the-least-likely-group-in-the-u-s-to-be-promoted-to-management

"Across the country, the results are the same. Our analysis of national EEOC workforce data found that Asian American white-collar professionals are the least likely group to be promoted from individual contributor roles into management — less likely than any other race, including blacks and Hispanics. And our analysis found that white professionals are about twice as likely to be promoted into management as their Asian American counterparts.

It is easy to understand why Asian American representation in the workforce may not seem to be an issue. I[list]n some key measures, Asian Americans are the most successful U.S. demographic — more highly educated, for example, and with higher median incomes than any other racial group. More significant, Asian Americans are 12% of the professional workforce while making up only 5.6% of the U.S. population. This fact underlies the potential blind spot for many companies: Because Asian Americans are not considered an underrepresented minority, they are given little priority or attention in diversity programs. We have found that in many companies throughout the country, Asian-related programs are geared toward cultural inclusion, not management diversity."

Look around where everyone works. For me at least the entire senior management is White.

TJ is hitting a nerve because society is again trying to screen them out, in the name of racial balance, in a convoluted way. On the contrary, people should be celebrating the fact that the top high school in the United States can be a minority majority. No one would give a hoot if TJ was 70% Black (or even 70% White). It is also true that Asians are a very diverse group of people themselves (Indian, Chinese, etc. are very different). Asians have come to this area b/c it is one of the most straightforward places for good results: Work hard and you will succeed. No need for connections or wealth or bribes. Some families come to the U.S. after experiencing the Tiananmen square massacre, etc. to give their child a chance at a better life. In response to places like Curie, there is no need to paint all Asians as cheaters. There are only a few and will be exposed sooner or later. I don't know if the claims are true, but I suspect many would have probably gotten into TJ anyway. The vast majority are extra motivated (parent and child) because of such traumatic backgrounds despite English being a second/third language. Most of the time, parents cannot force the kids to be good at math and interested in science and be motivated to work that hard. If you have raised a child, you will agree. The children work hard because for some reason they just do or they see their parents work hard (though they never get up to those management positions).

Whatever your view, there is no need to attack Asians. Come at it with a bit more understanding.

Not so fast there. Some would argue African immigrants are the most successful and educated immigrant group. And they made it without TJ.

https://medium.com/@joecarleton/why-nigerian-immigrants-are-the-most-successful-ethnic-group-in-the-u-s-23a7ea5a0832

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/opinion/articles/2015-10-13/it-isn-t-just-asian-immigrants-who-excel-in-the-u-s-

Yep - they are courageous, motivated and incredibly successful. More importantly, they have done this in spite of institutionalized racism insidiously drip dripping into their ear telling them that they cannot succeed without quotas and lotteries, undermining both their capability and their confidence.

Translation: "we LOVE black people as long as they don't want to go to the same school as us."

Wow.

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I do look down on you. You are myopic and clearly don't care about those who are less fortunate but still deserving. If others had that attitude, you would never have been allowed to set foot in this country. When it's time to pay it forward, you just circle the wagons.

Immigrants: please digest what this person is saying and understand that most white people, no matter how much they love to use immigrants as a rhetorical device, secretly think that it was them who let you into the country.

Yes, this - "You would never have been allowed to set foot in this country" - this is the true racist face behind the virtue signaling!

+1 it's like the white master telling you to be grateful for the crumbs.

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Scott Brabrand and his enablers on the school board are more racists than the ignorant racists you see on TV. They are professional racists.

Truth hurts, doesn’t it? If you want to come here and then usurp all the opportunities while fighting every effort to make them available to others, you will get your asses handed to you in a sling. Looking forward to October 8th and very happy you whiny babies won’t be able to disrupt the meeting.

Yes, it does because you want to scatter overachieving Asians all over the county and dilute their representation. A tactic that has been used for ages throughout history. If you get 60 more URMs into TJ (highly unlikely) and 40 more whites, you will be happy nonetheless. Asians will be diluted. If you get 60 more whites, by chance and only 40 more URMs - oops! I guess whites are really into STEM compared to URMs! If whites actually get the majority of slots - there will be dead silence, or perhaps touting the fact that, wow a few dozen more URMs got in too! You have a win-win-win situation. Usually, the super-privileged has that privilege (of a win-win-win situation). On top of that, the high schools that will be overflowing in a couple of years' time because of capacity constraints due to breaking the equilibrium of certain schools sending relatively more to TJ in the past - they will lose out to. They will have to absorb more Asians - so the Asians again are screwed in their base schools studying in trailers and what not. So convenient. I know. The truth hurts.

Representation? Dilution? WTF?

This is about providing URMs and low-income kids who have systematically excluded from TJ for decades a better shot, not denying Asians a seat in Congress.

And I don’t recall anyone at TJ giving a hoot about kids at other schools in trailers so maybe you had better leave that to others to worry about.

Have you thought for a second that Asians may have already been discriminated against in the TJ admissions process? There are studies to that effect. Your misunderstanding of Asians' concerns is alarming. Asians face discrimination every day any day. Don't pit us against URMs. The real winners are whites. Let's see how many more URMs indeed come to TJ and how many more whites.

So you not only hate blacks people, you hate whites, too. Got it. Who do you think is paying for TJ? They better just shut TJ down now, save the effort. Then what? Why don't you just home school your kids, you are such "great" parents and white people are such "terrible" parents. You don't seem to like it here very much - you can't even live in peace amongst your neighbors.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The reason TJ admissions is hitting a nerve for Asians is that they believe that STEM is one of the few ways in which they could work hard and excel. They think at least this is fair. Let's face it, they have had trouble being represented in sports (possibly due to genetics). They are not represented in Hollywood (lead roles go to blacks 15% of the time, Asians 1% of the time), or in places of power; politics/governorship/senate/supreme court/cabinet. Although they disproportionately get into top colleges (usually despite discrimination - see what is going on with Harvard and Yale), they face a struggle in career advancement after college.

https://hbr.org/2018/05/asian-americans-are-the-least-likely-group-in-the-u-s-to-be-promoted-to-management

"Across the country, the results are the same. Our analysis of national EEOC workforce data found that Asian American white-collar professionals are the least likely group to be promoted from individual contributor roles into management — less likely than any other race, including blacks and Hispanics. And our analysis found that white professionals are about twice as likely to be promoted into management as their Asian American counterparts.

It is easy to understand why Asian American representation in the workforce may not seem to be an issue. I[list]n some key measures, Asian Americans are the most successful U.S. demographic — more highly educated, for example, and with higher median incomes than any other racial group. More significant, Asian Americans are 12% of the professional workforce while making up only 5.6% of the U.S. population. This fact underlies the potential blind spot for many companies: Because Asian Americans are not considered an underrepresented minority, they are given little priority or attention in diversity programs. We have found that in many companies throughout the country, Asian-related programs are geared toward cultural inclusion, not management diversity."

Look around where everyone works. For me at least the entire senior management is White.

TJ is hitting a nerve because society is again trying to screen them out, in the name of racial balance, in a convoluted way. On the contrary, people should be celebrating the fact that the top high school in the United States can be a minority majority. No one would give a hoot if TJ was 70% Black (or even 70% White). It is also true that Asians are a very diverse group of people themselves (Indian, Chinese, etc. are very different). Asians have come to this area b/c it is one of the most straightforward places for good results: Work hard and you will succeed. No need for connections or wealth or bribes. Some families come to the U.S. after experiencing the Tiananmen square massacre, etc. to give their child a chance at a better life. In response to places like Curie, there is no need to paint all Asians as cheaters. There are only a few and will be exposed sooner or later. I don't know if the claims are true, but I suspect many would have probably gotten into TJ anyway. The vast majority are extra motivated (parent and child) because of such traumatic backgrounds despite English being a second/third language. Most of the time, parents cannot force the kids to be good at math and interested in science and be motivated to work that hard. If you have raised a child, you will agree. The children work hard because for some reason they just do or they see their parents work hard (though they never get up to those management positions).

Whatever your view, there is no need to attack Asians. Come at it with a bit more understanding.

Not so fast there. Some would argue African immigrants are the most successful and educated immigrant group. And they made it without TJ.

https://medium.com/@joecarleton/why-nigerian-immigrants-are-the-most-successful-ethnic-group-in-the-u-s-23a7ea5a0832

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/opinion/articles/2015-10-13/it-isn-t-just-asian-immigrants-who-excel-in-the-u-s-

They made it with something better- affirmative action which will go away very soon thank to the Supreme Court.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is 2020. Admissions should be based on academic success, not your skin color. Period.

We've all been saying this and it's already a blind admission process.

The problem is FCPS doesn't like the end result...hence the overall.

The lottery is not race based. If you're not one of the Asians who ignored FCPS's intent for the QuantQ to be secure, blame the Asians who ignored that for the lottery system.

The lottery attempts to decrease the Asian percentage by more than 20 percentage points. This is race-driven.

The lottery attempts to increase the percentage of Black, Hispanic and low-income students and to reduce the percentage of students coming from specific middle school feeders.

To claim that is "race-driven" while somehow thinking it is not "race-driven" to have a magnet school when not a single student in the Class of 2024 is Black is telling.

Because they don’t want to attend and study like crazy and end up with an average gpa. They don’t value rigorous curriculum and will attend if it’s watered down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is 2020. Admissions should be based on academic success, not your skin color. Period.

We've all been saying this and it's already a blind admission process.

The problem is FCPS doesn't like the end result...hence the overall.

The lottery is not race based. If you're not one of the Asians who ignored FCPS's intent for the QuantQ to be secure, blame the Asians who ignored that for the lottery system.

If cheating on the QuantQ or the safe keeping of the QuantQ is the problem, why not fix that first? Have they investigated on how and why cheaters are able to gain access? If we are able to catch the cheaters who are sending their non-athletic kids to colleges as recruits, we surely can do something about this QuantQ leak.

Because cheaters always find a new way to cheat the system, and it is not worth our tax dollars chasing people like you, who think cheating is acceptable.

Right people like aunt Becky and her friends will always find a way to cheat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is 2020. Admissions should be based on academic success, not your skin color. Period.

We've all been saying this and it's already a blind admission process.

The problem is FCPS doesn't like the end result...hence the overall.

The lottery is not race based. If you're not one of the Asians who ignored FCPS's intent for the QuantQ to be secure, blame the Asians who ignored that for the lottery system.

The lottery attempts to decrease the Asian percentage by more than 20 percentage points. This is race-driven.

The lottery attempts to increase the percentage of Black, Hispanic and low-income students and to reduce the percentage of students coming from specific middle school feeders.

To claim that is "race-driven" while somehow thinking it is not "race-driven" to have a magnet school when not a single student in the Class of 2024 is Black is telling.

To not have a single student in the class of 2024 is a major issue, but to adopt a system that is intended to increase the % of one race by reducing the % of student population of another ethnicity is racist.

Why do you think you have the right to an Asian School?

It is not an Asian school. It is a school populated by all races. If any of you knew what you were talking about. Lumping all Asians is like lumping the Americas together. This is quite offensive.

[Anonymous]

" And you are very comfortable in your racism. "

Are racists supposed to set their hair on fire?