Discrimination against Asians

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I do look down on you. You are myopic and clearly don't care about those who are less fortunate but still deserving. If others had that attitude, you would never have been allowed to set foot in this country. When it's time to pay it forward, you just circle the wagons.

Immigrants: please digest what this person is saying and understand that most white people, no matter how much they love to use immigrants as a rhetorical device, secretly think that it was them who let you into the country.

Yes, this - "You would never have been allowed to set foot in this country" - this is the true racist face behind the virtue signaling!

+1 it's like the white master telling you to be grateful for the crumbs.

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Scott Brabrand and his enablers on the school board are more racists than the ignorant racists you see on TV. They are professional racists.

Truth hurts, doesn’t it? If you want to come here and then usurp all the opportunities while fighting every effort to make them available to others, you will get your asses handed to you in a sling. Looking forward to October 8th and very happy you whiny babies won’t be able to disrupt the meeting.

Yes, it does because you want to scatter overachieving Asians all over the county and dilute their representation. A tactic that has been used for ages throughout history. If you get 60 more URMs into TJ (highly unlikely) and 40 more whites, you will be happy nonetheless. Asians will be diluted. If you get 60 more whites, by chance and only 40 more URMs - oops! I guess whites are really into STEM compared to URMs! If whites actually get the majority of slots - there will be dead silence, or perhaps touting the fact that, wow a few dozen more URMs got in too! You have a win-win-win situation. Usually, the super-privileged has that privilege (of a win-win-win situation). On top of that, the high schools that will be overflowing in a couple of years' time because of capacity constraints due to breaking the equilibrium of certain schools sending relatively more to TJ in the past - they will lose out to. They will have to absorb more Asians - so the Asians again are screwed in their base schools studying in trailers and what not. So convenient. I know. The truth hurts.

Representation? Dilution? WTF?

This is about providing URMs and low-income kids who have systematically excluded from TJ for decades a better shot, not denying Asians a seat in Congress.

And I don’t recall anyone at TJ giving a hoot about kids at other schools in trailers so maybe you had better leave that to others to worry about.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
I do look down on you. You are myopic and clearly don't care about those who are less fortunate but still deserving. If others had that attitude, you would never have been allowed to set foot in this country. When it's time to pay it forward, you just circle the wagons.

Immigrants: please digest what this person is saying and understand that most white people, no matter how much they love to use immigrants as a rhetorical device, secretly think that it was them who let you into the country.

Yes, this - "You would never have been allowed to set foot in this country" - this is the true racist face behind the virtue signaling!

+1 it's like the white master telling you to be grateful for the crumbs.

+2

Scott Brabrand and his enablers on the school board are more racists than the ignorant racists you see on TV. They are professional racists.

Truth hurts, doesn’t it? If you want to come here and then usurp all the opportunities while fighting every effort to make them available to others, you will get your asses handed to you in a sling. Looking forward to October 8th and very happy you whiny babies won’t be able to disrupt the meeting.

Yes, it does because you want to scatter overachieving Asians all over the county and dilute their representation. A tactic that has been used for ages throughout history. If you get 60 more URMs into TJ (highly unlikely) and 40 more whites, you will be happy nonetheless. Asians will be diluted. If you get 60 more whites, by chance and only 40 more URMs - oops! I guess whites are really into STEM compared to URMs! If whites actually get the majority of slots - there will be dead silence, or perhaps touting the fact that, wow a few dozen more URMs got in too! You have a win-win-win situation. Usually, the super-privileged has that privilege (of a win-win-win situation). On top of that, the high schools that will be overflowing in a couple of years' time because of capacity constraints due to breaking the equilibrium of certain schools sending relatively more to TJ in the past - they will lose out to. They will have to absorb more Asians - so the Asians again are screwed in their base schools studying in trailers and what not. So convenient. I know. The truth hurts.

Representation? Dilution? WTF?

This is about providing URMs and low-income kids who have systematically excluded from TJ for decades a better shot, not denying Asians a seat in Congress.

And I don’t recall anyone at TJ giving a hoot about kids at other schools in trailers so maybe you had better leave that to others to worry about.

Have you thought for a second that Asians may have already been discriminated against in the TJ admissions process? There are studies to that effect. Your misunderstanding of Asians' concerns is alarming. Asians face discrimination every day any day. Don't pit us against URMs. The real winners are whites. Let's see how many more URMs indeed come to TJ and how many more whites.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I do look down on you. You are myopic and clearly don't care about those who are less fortunate but still deserving. If others had that attitude, you would never have been allowed to set foot in this country. When it's time to pay it forward, you just circle the wagons.

Immigrants: please digest what this person is saying and understand that most white people, no matter how much they love to use immigrants as a rhetorical device, secretly think that it was them who let you into the country.

Yes, this - "You would never have been allowed to set foot in this country" - this is the true racist face behind the virtue signaling!

+1 it's like the white master telling you to be grateful for the crumbs.

+2

Scott Brabrand and his enablers on the school board are more racists than the ignorant racists you see on TV. They are professional racists.

Truth hurts, doesn’t it? If you want to come here and then usurp all the opportunities while fighting every effort to make them available to others, you will get your asses handed to you in a sling. Looking forward to October 8th and very happy you whiny babies won’t be able to disrupt the meeting.

“Truth hurts” Do you mean you agree that you’re racist? And pretending to be the URM-savior?

I have spent more time with URMs than probably you. They also have a distinct anger to their voices. I have marched with them and sang Africana songs and we shall overcome. You know nothing about discrimination.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I do look down on you. You are myopic and clearly don't care about those who are less fortunate but still deserving. If others had that attitude, you would never have been allowed to set foot in this country. When it's time to pay it forward, you just circle the wagons.

Immigrants: please digest what this person is saying and understand that most white people, no matter how much they love to use immigrants as a rhetorical device, secretly think that it was them who let you into the country.

Yes, this - "You would never have been allowed to set foot in this country" - this is the true racist face behind the virtue signaling!

+1 it's like the white master telling you to be grateful for the crumbs.

+2

Scott Brabrand and his enablers on the school board are more racists than the ignorant racists you see on TV. They are professional racists.

Truth hurts, doesn’t it? If you want to come here and then usurp all the opportunities while fighting every effort to make them available to others, you will get your asses handed to you in a sling. Looking forward to October 8th and very happy you whiny babies won’t be able to disrupt the meeting.

“Truth hurts” Do you mean you agree that you’re racist? And pretending to be the URM-savior?

I have spent more time with URMs than probably you. They also have a distinct anger to their voices. I have marched with them and sang Africana songs and we shall overcome. You know nothing about discrimination.

Leave it to a white person to gatekeep discrimination!

[Anonymous]

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I do look down on you. You are myopic and clearly don't care about those who are less fortunate but still deserving. If others had that attitude, you would never have been allowed to set foot in this country. When it's time to pay it forward, you just circle the wagons.

Immigrants: please digest what this person is saying and understand that most white people, no matter how much they love to use immigrants as a rhetorical device, secretly think that it was them who let you into the country.

Yes, this - "You would never have been allowed to set foot in this country" - this is the true racist face behind the virtue signaling!

+1 it's like the white master telling you to be grateful for the crumbs.

+2

Scott Brabrand and his enablers on the school board are more racists than the ignorant racists you see on TV. They are professional racists.

Truth hurts, doesn’t it? If you want to come here and then usurp all the opportunities while fighting every effort to make them available to others, you will get your asses handed to you in a sling. Looking forward to October 8th and very happy you whiny babies won’t be able to disrupt the meeting.

“Truth hurts” Do you mean you agree that you’re racist? And pretending to be the URM-savior?

I have spent more time with URMs than probably you. They also have a distinct anger to their voices. I have marched with them and sang Africana songs and we shall overcome. You know nothing about discrimination.

Leave it to a white person to gatekeep discrimination!

How dare you. They sang songs. And marched!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I do look down on you. You are myopic and clearly don't care about those who are less fortunate but still deserving. If others had that attitude, you would never have been allowed to set foot in this country. When it's time to pay it forward, you just circle the wagons.

Immigrants: please digest what this person is saying and understand that most white people, no matter how much they love to use immigrants as a rhetorical device, secretly think that it was them who let you into the country.

Yes, this - "You would never have been allowed to set foot in this country" - this is the true racist face behind the virtue signaling!

+1 it's like the white master telling you to be grateful for the crumbs.

+2

Scott Brabrand and his enablers on the school board are more racists than the ignorant racists you see on TV. They are professional racists.

Truth hurts, doesn’t it? If you want to come here and then usurp all the opportunities while fighting every effort to make them available to others, you will get your asses handed to you in a sling. Looking forward to October 8th and very happy you whiny babies won’t be able to disrupt the meeting.

“Truth hurts” Do you mean you agree that you’re racist? And pretending to be the URM-savior?

I have spent more time with URMs than probably you. They also have a distinct anger to their voices. I have marched with them and sang Africana songs and we shall overcome. You know nothing about discrimination.

Leave it to a white person to gatekeep discrimination!

How dare you. They sang songs. And marched!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The reason TJ admissions is hitting a nerve for Asians is that they believe that STEM is one of the few ways in which they could work hard and excel. They think at least this is fair. Let's face it, they have had trouble being represented in sports (possibly due to genetics). They are not represented in Hollywood (lead roles go to blacks 15% of the time, Asians 1% of the time), or in places of power; politics/governorship/senate/supreme court/cabinet. Although they disproportionately get into top colleges (usually despite discrimination - see what is going on with Harvard and Yale), they face a struggle in career advancement after college.

https://hbr.org/2018/05/asian-americans-are-the-least-likely-group-in-the-u-s-to-be-promoted-to-management

"Across the country, the results are the same. Our analysis of national EEOC workforce data found that Asian American white-collar professionals are the least likely group to be promoted from individual contributor roles into management — less likely than any other race, including blacks and Hispanics. And our analysis found that white professionals are about twice as likely to be promoted into management as their Asian American counterparts.

It is easy to understand why Asian American representation in the workforce may not seem to be an issue. I[list]n some key measures, Asian Americans are the most successful U.S. demographic — more highly educated, for example, and with higher median incomes than any other racial group. More significant, Asian Americans are 12% of the professional workforce while making up only 5.6% of the U.S. population. This fact underlies the potential blind spot for many companies: Because Asian Americans are not considered an underrepresented minority, they are given little priority or attention in diversity programs. We have found that in many companies throughout the country, Asian-related programs are geared toward cultural inclusion, not management diversity."

Look around where everyone works. For me at least the entire senior management is White.

TJ is hitting a nerve because society is again trying to screen them out, in the name of racial balance, in a convoluted way. On the contrary, people should be celebrating the fact that the top high school in the United States can be a minority majority. No one would give a hoot if TJ was 70% Black (or even 70% White). It is also true that Asians are a very diverse group of people themselves (Indian, Chinese, etc. are very different). Asians have come to this area b/c it is one of the most straightforward places for good results: Work hard and you will succeed. No need for connections or wealth or bribes. Some families come to the U.S. after experiencing the Tiananmen square massacre, etc. to give their child a chance at a better life. In response to places like Curie, there is no need to paint all Asians as cheaters. There are only a few and will be exposed sooner or later. I don't know if the claims are true, but I suspect many would have probably gotten into TJ anyway. The vast majority are extra motivated (parent and child) because of such traumatic backgrounds despite English being a second/third language. Most of the time, parents cannot force the kids to be good at math and interested in science and be motivated to work that hard. If you have raised a child, you will agree. The children work hard because for some reason they just do or they see their parents work hard (though they never get up to those management positions).

Whatever your view, there is no need to attack Asians. Come at it with a bit more understanding.

Not so fast there. Some would argue African immigrants are the most successful and educated immigrant group. And they made it without TJ.

https://medium.com/@joecarleton/why-nigerian-immigrants-are-the-most-successful-ethnic-group-in-the-u-s-23a7ea5a0832

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/opinion/articles/2015-10-13/it-isn-t-just-asian-immigrants-who-excel-in-the-u-s-

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The reason TJ admissions is hitting a nerve for Asians is that they believe that STEM is one of the few ways in which they could work hard and excel. They think at least this is fair. Let's face it, they have had trouble being represented in sports (possibly due to genetics). They are not represented in Hollywood (lead roles go to blacks 15% of the time, Asians 1% of the time), or in places of power; politics/governorship/senate/supreme court/cabinet. Although they disproportionately get into top colleges (usually despite discrimination - see what is going on with Harvard and Yale), they face a struggle in career advancement after college.

https://hbr.org/2018/05/asian-americans-are-the-least-likely-group-in-the-u-s-to-be-promoted-to-management

"Across the country, the results are the same. Our analysis of national EEOC workforce data found that Asian American white-collar professionals are the least likely group to be promoted from individual contributor roles into management — less likely than any other race, including blacks and Hispanics. And our analysis found that white professionals are about twice as likely to be promoted into management as their Asian American counterparts.

It is easy to understand why Asian American representation in the workforce may not seem to be an issue. I[list]n some key measures, Asian Americans are the most successful U.S. demographic — more highly educated, for example, and with higher median incomes than any other racial group. More significant, Asian Americans are 12% of the professional workforce while making up only 5.6% of the U.S. population. This fact underlies the potential blind spot for many companies: Because Asian Americans are not considered an underrepresented minority, they are given little priority or attention in diversity programs. We have found that in many companies throughout the country, Asian-related programs are geared toward cultural inclusion, not management diversity."

Look around where everyone works. For me at least the entire senior management is White.

TJ is hitting a nerve because society is again trying to screen them out, in the name of racial balance, in a convoluted way. On the contrary, people should be celebrating the fact that the top high school in the United States can be a minority majority. No one would give a hoot if TJ was 70% Black (or even 70% White). It is also true that Asians are a very diverse group of people themselves (Indian, Chinese, etc. are very different). Asians have come to this area b/c it is one of the most straightforward places for good results: Work hard and you will succeed. No need for connections or wealth or bribes. Some families come to the U.S. after experiencing the Tiananmen square massacre, etc. to give their child a chance at a better life. In response to places like Curie, there is no need to paint all Asians as cheaters. There are only a few and will be exposed sooner or later. I don't know if the claims are true, but I suspect many would have probably gotten into TJ anyway. The vast majority are extra motivated (parent and child) because of such traumatic backgrounds despite English being a second/third language. Most of the time, parents cannot force the kids to be good at math and interested in science and be motivated to work that hard. If you have raised a child, you will agree. The children work hard because for some reason they just do or they see their parents work hard (though they never get up to those management positions).

Whatever your view, there is no need to attack Asians. Come at it with a bit more understanding.

Not so fast there. Some would argue African immigrants are the most successful and educated immigrant group. And they made it without TJ.

https://medium.com/@joecarleton/why-nigerian-immigrants-are-the-most-successful-ethnic-group-in-the-u-s-23a7ea5a0832

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/opinion/articles/2015-10-13/it-isn-t-just-asian-immigrants-who-excel-in-the-u-s-

Yep - they are courageous, motivated and incredibly successful. More importantly, they have done this in spite of institutionalized racism insidiously drip dripping into their ear telling them that they cannot succeed without quotas and lotteries, undermining both their capability and their confidence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reason TJ admissions is hitting a nerve for Asians is that they believe that STEM is one of the few ways in which they could work hard and excel. They think at least this is fair. Let's face it, they have had trouble being represented in sports (possibly due to genetics). They are not represented in Hollywood (lead roles go to blacks 15% of the time, Asians 1% of the time), or in places of power; politics/governorship/senate/supreme court/cabinet. Although they disproportionately get into top colleges (usually despite discrimination - see what is going on with Harvard and Yale), they face a struggle in career advancement after college.

https://hbr.org/2018/05/asian-americans-are-the-least-likely-group-in-the-u-s-to-be-promoted-to-management

"Across the country, the results are the same. Our analysis of national EEOC workforce data found that Asian American white-collar professionals are the least likely group to be promoted from individual contributor roles into management — less likely than any other race, including blacks and Hispanics. And our analysis found that white professionals are about twice as likely to be promoted into management as their Asian American counterparts.

It is easy to understand why Asian American representation in the workforce may not seem to be an issue. I[list]n some key measures, Asian Americans are the most successful U.S. demographic — more highly educated, for example, and with higher median incomes than any other racial group. More significant, Asian Americans are 12% of the professional workforce while making up only 5.6% of the U.S. population. This fact underlies the potential blind spot for many companies: Because Asian Americans are not considered an underrepresented minority, they are given little priority or attention in diversity programs. We have found that in many companies throughout the country, Asian-related programs are geared toward cultural inclusion, not management diversity."

Look around where everyone works. For me at least the entire senior management is White.

TJ is hitting a nerve because society is again trying to screen them out, in the name of racial balance, in a convoluted way. On the contrary, people should be celebrating the fact that the top high school in the United States can be a minority majority. No one would give a hoot if TJ was 70% Black (or even 70% White). It is also true that Asians are a very diverse group of people themselves (Indian, Chinese, etc. are very different). Asians have come to this area b/c it is one of the most straightforward places for good results: Work hard and you will succeed. No need for connections or wealth or bribes. Some families come to the U.S. after experiencing the Tiananmen square massacre, etc. to give their child a chance at a better life. In response to places like Curie, there is no need to paint all Asians as cheaters. There are only a few and will be exposed sooner or later. I don't know if the claims are true, but I suspect many would have probably gotten into TJ anyway. The vast majority are extra motivated (parent and child) because of such traumatic backgrounds despite English being a second/third language. Most of the time, parents cannot force the kids to be good at math and interested in science and be motivated to work that hard. If you have raised a child, you will agree. The children work hard because for some reason they just do or they see their parents work hard (though they never get up to those management positions).

Whatever your view, there is no need to attack Asians. Come at it with a bit more understanding.

Not so fast there. Some would argue African immigrants are the most successful and educated immigrant group. And they made it without TJ.

https://medium.com/@joecarleton/why-nigerian-immigrants-are-the-most-successful-ethnic-group-in-the-u-s-23a7ea5a0832

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/opinion/articles/2015-10-13/it-isn-t-just-asian-immigrants-who-excel-in-the-u-s-

Yep - they are courageous, motivated and incredibly successful. More importantly, they have done this in spite of institutionalized racism insidiously drip dripping into their ear telling them that they cannot succeed without quotas and lotteries, undermining both their capability and their confidence.

Yes, they are admirable and smart. However, they have done this in part by taking advantage of the affirmative action which was intended for the African Americans who are the descendants of the enslaved. Affirmative action does no favors for the intended beneficiaries or the black race. African immigrants and well-to-do blacks take all the spoils, while the poor blacks stuck in the cycle of poverty are still stuck. Meanwhile, all blacks are stuck with the stigma that they didn't earn their success, even though they may well have.

[Anonymous]

None of the successful, more diverse group of students entering TJ under a lottery system would be stigmatized, except by angry Asians like Asra Nomani wishing to preserve their extreme over-representation at TJ. The threads on this forum make that very clear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:None of the successful, more diverse group of students entering TJ under a lottery system would be stigmatized, except by angry Asians like Asra Nomani wishing to preserve their extreme over-representation at TJ. The threads on this forum make that very clear.

Please don’t launch personal attacks on this forum. It shows you have no real arguments left and just want to harass her. Shame!

[Anonymous]

"Angry Asians"

Is that like the "Angry Black Woman"?

Another way to try to stigmatize and undermine a group of people? White people have this down.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is 2020. Admissions should be based on academic success, not your skin color. Period.

We've all been saying this and it's already a blind admission process.

The problem is FCPS doesn't like the end result...hence the overall.

The lottery is not race based. If you're not one of the Asians who ignored FCPS's intent for the QuantQ to be secure, blame the Asians who ignored that for the lottery system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is 2020. Admissions should be based on academic success, not your skin color. Period.

We've all been saying this and it's already a blind admission process.

The problem is FCPS doesn't like the end result...hence the overall.

The lottery is not race based. If you're not one of the Asians who ignored FCPS's intent for the QuantQ to be secure, blame the Asians who ignored that for the lottery system.

The lottery attempts to decrease the Asian percentage by more than 20 percentage points. This is race-driven.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is 2020. Admissions should be based on academic success, not your skin color. Period.

We've all been saying this and it's already a blind admission process.

The problem is FCPS doesn't like the end result...hence the overall.

The lottery is not race based. If you're not one of the Asians who ignored FCPS's intent for the QuantQ to be secure, blame the Asians who ignored that for the lottery system.

The lottery attempts to decrease the Asian percentage by more than 20 percentage points. This is race-driven.

The lottery attempts to increase the percentage of Black, Hispanic and low-income students and to reduce the percentage of students coming from specific middle school feeders.

To claim that is "race-driven" while somehow thinking it is not "race-driven" to have a magnet school when not a single student in the Class of 2024 is Black is telling.