Official Abortion Thread

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Anonymous wrote:A cancer cell in a man or woman is human life. It's alive, it's made of human DNA. Maybe your lifestyle choices caused it - so why should you be allowed to pursue medical treatment?

An embryo cannot exist without being completely and totally physically dependent on a woman - therefore it is not a "being" - it has no capacity to independently exist. It is therefore not an individual.

By all means make your own moral/religious decisions for yourself, but to force any person to remain pregnant and to give birth, is to take away HER sovereignty. But we all know white males in America don't believe women should have sovereignty in the first place.

Cancer cells differ from normal cells in many ways that allow them to grow out of control and become invasive. One important difference is that cancer cells are less specialized than normal cells. That is, whereas normal cells mature into very distinct cell types with specific functions, cancer cells do not.

Cancer is a broad term. It describes the disease that results when cellular changes cause the uncontrolled growth and division of cells.

Most of the body's cells have specific functions and fixed lifespans. While it may sound like a bad thing, cell death is part of a natural and beneficial phenomenon called apoptosis.

Human embryos have a specific function: life.

There are different categories of cancer cell, defined according to the cell type from which they originate.[2]

Carcinoma, the majority of cancer cells are epithelial in origin, beginning in the membranous tissues that line the surfaces of the body.
Leukaemia, originate in the tissues responsible for producing new blood cells, most commonly in the bone marrow.
Lymphoma and myeloma, derived from cells of the immune system.
Sarcoma, originating in connective tissue, including fat, muscle and bone.
Central nervous system, derived from cells of the body and spinal cord.
Mesothelioma, originating in the mesothelium; the lining of body cavities.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer_cell

Any way you want to spin it, an embryo is still not a human being. If cannot exist and function to "life" within its own cellular development, alone or by itself. It is not a person. It is not a being.

The question came up of what is an embryo, when does an embryo exist, when does it occur. I think, as you know, that in development, life is a continuum.... But I think one of the useful definitions that has come out, especially from Germany, has been the stage at which these two nuclei [from sperm and egg] come together and the membranes between the two break down."
[Jonathan Van Blerkom of University of Colorado, expert witness on human embryology before the NIH Human Embryo Research Panel -- Panel Transcript, February 2, 1994, p. 63]

Although life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed.... The combination of 23 chromosomes present in each pronucleus results in 46 chromosomes in the zygote. Thus the diploid number is restored and the embryonic genome is formed. The embryo now exists as a genetic unity."
[O'Rahilly, Ronan and M?ller, Fabiola. Human Embryology & Teratology. 2nd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996, pp. 8, 29. This textbook lists "pre-embryo" among "discarded and replaced terms" in modern embryology, describing it as "ill-defined and inaccurate" (p. 12}]

Almost all higher animals start their lives from a single cell, the fertilized ovum (zygote)... The time of fertilization represents the starting point in the life history, or ontogeny, of the individual."
[Carlson, Bruce M. Patten's Foundations of Embryology. 6th edition. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1996, p. 3]

Why do people think human life does not begin at conception?

The life cycle of mammals begins when a sperm enters an egg.”
Okada et al., A role for the elongator complex in zygotic paternal genome demethylation, NATURE 463:554 (Jan. 28, 2010)

Human life begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoon) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.” “A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo).”

Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2.


I expect you to be an anti-vaxxer, flat earther, climate change denier, as well.

You are denying basic science and have no shame.

It's cute how Trumpsters suddenly believe in science.

It’s cute how you suddenly don’t!

Who said I don't? People who believe in science know there are nuances and multiple theories. Just quoting someone doesn't mean that it is an opinion of fact set in stone. Cherry-picking and copy and paste doesn't make you suddenly intelligent, or an authority. Cute to watch, though.

Refute them.

The following references illustrate the fact that a new human embryo, the starting point for a human life, comes into existence with the formation of the one-celled zygote:

https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html

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You can find a Human/Medical Embryology expert/doctor/textbook to refute that human life doesn’t begin and conception?

The predominance of human biological research confirms that human life begins at conception—fertilization. At fertilization, the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism, a member of the species Homo sapiens, needing only the proper environment in order to grow and develop.

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The predominance of human biological research confirms that human life begins at conception—fertilization. At fertilization, the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism, a member of the species Homo sapiens, needing only the proper environment in order to grow and develop.

Even if the “proper environment” is unwilling.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Copy, paste, copy, paste... who's the one who has no shame?

I notice you won’t acknowledge the science addressed within the copy/paste. Because?

You're assuming biological life is the part of being human which gives rise to rights we don't give to other living beings. That's an assumption that is very much open to question, and your copy/paste doesn't address it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A cancer cell in a man or woman is human life. It's alive, it's made of human DNA. Maybe your lifestyle choices caused it - so why should you be allowed to pursue medical treatment?

An embryo cannot exist without being completely and totally physically dependent on a woman - therefore it is not a "being" - it has no capacity to independently exist. It is therefore not an individual.

By all means make your own moral/religious decisions for yourself, but to force any person to remain pregnant and to give birth, is to take away HER sovereignty. But we all know white males in America don't believe women should have sovereignty in the first place.

Cancer cells differ from normal cells in many ways that allow them to grow out of control and become invasive. One important difference is that cancer cells are less specialized than normal cells. That is, whereas normal cells mature into very distinct cell types with specific functions, cancer cells do not.

Cancer is a broad term. It describes the disease that results when cellular changes cause the uncontrolled growth and division of cells.

Most of the body's cells have specific functions and fixed lifespans. While it may sound like a bad thing, cell death is part of a natural and beneficial phenomenon called apoptosis.

Human embryos have a specific function: life.

There are different categories of cancer cell, defined according to the cell type from which they originate.[2]

Carcinoma, the majority of cancer cells are epithelial in origin, beginning in the membranous tissues that line the surfaces of the body.
Leukaemia, originate in the tissues responsible for producing new blood cells, most commonly in the bone marrow.
Lymphoma and myeloma, derived from cells of the immune system.
Sarcoma, originating in connective tissue, including fat, muscle and bone.
Central nervous system, derived from cells of the body and spinal cord.
Mesothelioma, originating in the mesothelium; the lining of body cavities.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer_cell

Any way you want to spin it, an embryo is still not a human being. If cannot exist and function to "life" within its own cellular development, alone or by itself. It is not a person. It is not a being.

The question came up of what is an embryo, when does an embryo exist, when does it occur. I think, as you know, that in development, life is a continuum.... But I think one of the useful definitions that has come out, especially from Germany, has been the stage at which these two nuclei [from sperm and egg] come together and the membranes between the two break down."
[Jonathan Van Blerkom of University of Colorado, expert witness on human embryology before the NIH Human Embryo Research Panel -- Panel Transcript, February 2, 1994, p. 63]

Although life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed.... The combination of 23 chromosomes present in each pronucleus results in 46 chromosomes in the zygote. Thus the diploid number is restored and the embryonic genome is formed. The embryo now exists as a genetic unity."
[O'Rahilly, Ronan and M?ller, Fabiola. Human Embryology & Teratology. 2nd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996, pp. 8, 29. This textbook lists "pre-embryo" among "discarded and replaced terms" in modern embryology, describing it as "ill-defined and inaccurate" (p. 12}]

Almost all higher animals start their lives from a single cell, the fertilized ovum (zygote)... The time of fertilization represents the starting point in the life history, or ontogeny, of the individual."
[Carlson, Bruce M. Patten's Foundations of Embryology. 6th edition. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1996, p. 3]

Why do people think human life does not begin at conception?

The life cycle of mammals begins when a sperm enters an egg.”
Okada et al., A role for the elongator complex in zygotic paternal genome demethylation, NATURE 463:554 (Jan. 28, 2010)

Human life begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoon) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.” “A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo).”

Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2.


I expect you to be an anti-vaxxer, flat earther, climate change denier, as well.

You are denying basic science and have no shame.

It's cute how Trumpsters suddenly believe in science.

It’s cute how you suddenly don’t!

Who said I don't? People who believe in science know there are nuances and multiple theories. Just quoting someone doesn't mean that it is an opinion of fact set in stone. Cherry-picking and copy and paste doesn't make you suddenly intelligent, or an authority. Cute to watch, though.

Refute them.

The following references illustrate the fact that a new human embryo, the starting point for a human life, comes into existence with the formation of the one-celled zygote:

https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html

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You can find a Human/Medical Embryology expert/doctor/textbook to refute that human life doesn’t begin and conception?

The predominance of human biological research confirms that human life begins at conception—fertilization. At fertilization, the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism, a member of the species Homo sapiens, needing only the proper environment in order to grow and develop.

No one is saying that most human zygotes don't have the potential to become persons some day. We are saying that a zygote is not yet a person. You're being incredibly dense.

[Anonymous]

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The predominance of human biological research confirms that human life begins at conception—fertilization. At fertilization, the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism, a member of the species Homo sapiens, needing only the proper environment in order to grow and develop.

Even if the “proper environment” is unwilling.

The proper environment for a human baby to develop is it’s mother’s uterus and body.

If the mom is unwilling, she should abstain or use birth control.

I get the feeling here women resent being a woman and dislike their own children.

It’s both sad and and exercise in denial at the same time. If you are intelligent and educated, prevent pregnancy. If you want to pretend you cannot have a child, don’t be surprised when you end up pregnant. It’s not a mystery process.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A cancer cell in a man or woman is human life. It's alive, it's made of human DNA. Maybe your lifestyle choices caused it - so why should you be allowed to pursue medical treatment?

An embryo cannot exist without being completely and totally physically dependent on a woman - therefore it is not a "being" - it has no capacity to independently exist. It is therefore not an individual.

By all means make your own moral/religious decisions for yourself, but to force any person to remain pregnant and to give birth, is to take away HER sovereignty. But we all know white males in America don't believe women should have sovereignty in the first place.

Cancer cells differ from normal cells in many ways that allow them to grow out of control and become invasive. One important difference is that cancer cells are less specialized than normal cells. That is, whereas normal cells mature into very distinct cell types with specific functions, cancer cells do not.

Cancer is a broad term. It describes the disease that results when cellular changes cause the uncontrolled growth and division of cells.

Most of the body's cells have specific functions and fixed lifespans. While it may sound like a bad thing, cell death is part of a natural and beneficial phenomenon called apoptosis.

Human embryos have a specific function: life.

There are different categories of cancer cell, defined according to the cell type from which they originate.[2]

Carcinoma, the majority of cancer cells are epithelial in origin, beginning in the membranous tissues that line the surfaces of the body.
Leukaemia, originate in the tissues responsible for producing new blood cells, most commonly in the bone marrow.
Lymphoma and myeloma, derived from cells of the immune system.
Sarcoma, originating in connective tissue, including fat, muscle and bone.
Central nervous system, derived from cells of the body and spinal cord.
Mesothelioma, originating in the mesothelium; the lining of body cavities.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer_cell

Any way you want to spin it, an embryo is still not a human being. If cannot exist and function to "life" within its own cellular development, alone or by itself. It is not a person. It is not a being.

The question came up of what is an embryo, when does an embryo exist, when does it occur. I think, as you know, that in development, life is a continuum.... But I think one of the useful definitions that has come out, especially from Germany, has been the stage at which these two nuclei [from sperm and egg] come together and the membranes between the two break down."
[Jonathan Van Blerkom of University of Colorado, expert witness on human embryology before the NIH Human Embryo Research Panel -- Panel Transcript, February 2, 1994, p. 63]

Although life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed.... The combination of 23 chromosomes present in each pronucleus results in 46 chromosomes in the zygote. Thus the diploid number is restored and the embryonic genome is formed. The embryo now exists as a genetic unity."
[O'Rahilly, Ronan and M?ller, Fabiola. Human Embryology & Teratology. 2nd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996, pp. 8, 29. This textbook lists "pre-embryo" among "discarded and replaced terms" in modern embryology, describing it as "ill-defined and inaccurate" (p. 12}]

Almost all higher animals start their lives from a single cell, the fertilized ovum (zygote)... The time of fertilization represents the starting point in the life history, or ontogeny, of the individual."
[Carlson, Bruce M. Patten's Foundations of Embryology. 6th edition. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1996, p. 3]

Why do people think human life does not begin at conception?

The life cycle of mammals begins when a sperm enters an egg.”
Okada et al., A role for the elongator complex in zygotic paternal genome demethylation, NATURE 463:554 (Jan. 28, 2010)

Human life begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoon) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.” “A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo).”

Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2.


I expect you to be an anti-vaxxer, flat earther, climate change denier, as well.

You are denying basic science and have no shame.

It's cute how Trumpsters suddenly believe in science.

It’s cute how you suddenly don’t!

Who said I don't? People who believe in science know there are nuances and multiple theories. Just quoting someone doesn't mean that it is an opinion of fact set in stone. Cherry-picking and copy and paste doesn't make you suddenly intelligent, or an authority. Cute to watch, though.

Refute them.

The following references illustrate the fact that a new human embryo, the starting point for a human life, comes into existence with the formation of the one-celled zygote:

https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html

(This keeps getting deleted)

You can find a Human/Medical Embryology expert/doctor/textbook to refute that human life doesn’t begin and conception?

The predominance of human biological research confirms that human life begins at conception—fertilization. At fertilization, the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism, a member of the species Homo sapiens, needing only the proper environment in order to grow and develop.

No one is saying that most human zygotes don't have the potential to become persons some day. We are saying that a zygote is not yet a person. You're being incredibly dense.

So you can murder a human being but not a person?

[Anonymous]

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The predominance of human biological research confirms that human life begins at conception—fertilization. At fertilization, the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism, a member of the species Homo sapiens, needing only the proper environment in order to grow and develop.

Even if the “proper environment” is unwilling.

The proper environment for a human baby to develop is it’s mother’s uterus and body.

If the mom is unwilling, she should abstain or use birth control.

I get the feeling here women resent being a woman and dislike their own children.

It’s both sad and and exercise in denial at the same time. If you are intelligent and educated, prevent pregnancy. If you want to pretend you cannot have a child, don’t be surprised when you end up pregnant. It’s not a mystery process.

Contraceptives have failure rates. In fact some of the most reliable contraceptives are actually made illegal by these bills.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A cancer cell in a man or woman is human life. It's alive, it's made of human DNA. Maybe your lifestyle choices caused it - so why should you be allowed to pursue medical treatment?

An embryo cannot exist without being completely and totally physically dependent on a woman - therefore it is not a "being" - it has no capacity to independently exist. It is therefore not an individual.

By all means make your own moral/religious decisions for yourself, but to force any person to remain pregnant and to give birth, is to take away HER sovereignty. But we all know white males in America don't believe women should have sovereignty in the first place.

Cancer cells differ from normal cells in many ways that allow them to grow out of control and become invasive. One important difference is that cancer cells are less specialized than normal cells. That is, whereas normal cells mature into very distinct cell types with specific functions, cancer cells do not.

Cancer is a broad term. It describes the disease that results when cellular changes cause the uncontrolled growth and division of cells.

Most of the body's cells have specific functions and fixed lifespans. While it may sound like a bad thing, cell death is part of a natural and beneficial phenomenon called apoptosis.

Human embryos have a specific function: life.

There are different categories of cancer cell, defined according to the cell type from which they originate.[2]

Carcinoma, the majority of cancer cells are epithelial in origin, beginning in the membranous tissues that line the surfaces of the body.
Leukaemia, originate in the tissues responsible for producing new blood cells, most commonly in the bone marrow.
Lymphoma and myeloma, derived from cells of the immune system.
Sarcoma, originating in connective tissue, including fat, muscle and bone.
Central nervous system, derived from cells of the body and spinal cord.
Mesothelioma, originating in the mesothelium; the lining of body cavities.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer_cell

Any way you want to spin it, an embryo is still not a human being. If cannot exist and function to "life" within its own cellular development, alone or by itself. It is not a person. It is not a being.

The question came up of what is an embryo, when does an embryo exist, when does it occur. I think, as you know, that in development, life is a continuum.... But I think one of the useful definitions that has come out, especially from Germany, has been the stage at which these two nuclei [from sperm and egg] come together and the membranes between the two break down."
[Jonathan Van Blerkom of University of Colorado, expert witness on human embryology before the NIH Human Embryo Research Panel -- Panel Transcript, February 2, 1994, p. 63]

Although life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed.... The combination of 23 chromosomes present in each pronucleus results in 46 chromosomes in the zygote. Thus the diploid number is restored and the embryonic genome is formed. The embryo now exists as a genetic unity."
[O'Rahilly, Ronan and M?ller, Fabiola. Human Embryology & Teratology. 2nd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996, pp. 8, 29. This textbook lists "pre-embryo" among "discarded and replaced terms" in modern embryology, describing it as "ill-defined and inaccurate" (p. 12}]

Almost all higher animals start their lives from a single cell, the fertilized ovum (zygote)... The time of fertilization represents the starting point in the life history, or ontogeny, of the individual."
[Carlson, Bruce M. Patten's Foundations of Embryology. 6th edition. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1996, p. 3]

Why do people think human life does not begin at conception?

The life cycle of mammals begins when a sperm enters an egg.”
Okada et al., A role for the elongator complex in zygotic paternal genome demethylation, NATURE 463:554 (Jan. 28, 2010)

Human life begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoon) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.” “A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo).”

Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2.


I expect you to be an anti-vaxxer, flat earther, climate change denier, as well.

You are denying basic science and have no shame.

It's cute how Trumpsters suddenly believe in science.

It’s cute how you suddenly don’t!

Who said I don't? People who believe in science know there are nuances and multiple theories. Just quoting someone doesn't mean that it is an opinion of fact set in stone. Cherry-picking and copy and paste doesn't make you suddenly intelligent, or an authority. Cute to watch, though.

Refute them.

The following references illustrate the fact that a new human embryo, the starting point for a human life, comes into existence with the formation of the one-celled zygote:

https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html

(This keeps getting deleted)

You can find a Human/Medical Embryology expert/doctor/textbook to refute that human life doesn’t begin and conception?

The predominance of human biological research confirms that human life begins at conception—fertilization. At fertilization, the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism, a member of the species Homo sapiens, needing only the proper environment in order to grow and develop.

No one is saying that most human zygotes don't have the potential to become persons some day. We are saying that a zygote is not yet a person. You're being incredibly dense.

So you can murder a human being but not a person?

Not pp. but no, you cannot murder a human being or a person. Neither of which is applicable to zygotes, as they are neither.

[Anonymous]

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The predominance of human biological research confirms that human life begins at conception—fertilization. At fertilization, the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism, a member of the species Homo sapiens, needing only the proper environment in order to grow and develop.

Even if the “proper environment” is unwilling.

The proper environment for a human baby to develop is it’s mother’s uterus and body.

If the mom is unwilling, she should abstain or use birth control.

I get the feeling here women resent being a woman and dislike their own children.

It’s both sad and and exercise in denial at the same time. If you are intelligent and educated, prevent pregnancy. If you want to pretend you cannot have a child, don’t be surprised when you end up pregnant. It’s not a mystery process.

I love my children and was happy to go through child birth for them, but a 9 year old who was raped not only had to go through the trauma of a rape but now you want to have her body torn up by child birth? That is insane.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do these hypocrites oppose death penalty? Do they oppose wars?

Are you equating harden criminals to innocent babies?

most people abhor war but realize it's necessary in some cases (WWII for example)

Blastocysts, zygotes, embryos, and fetuses aren't babies.

Also, the exceptions you make for war and crime show that the sanctity of human life is not absolute. It's conditional. (As the joke goes - we've established what you are, we're just haggling over the price.) Many of us believe that among these conditions is that fetus has developed past 12 weeks and doesn't pose a threat to the mother's health.

[Anonymous]

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The predominance of human biological research confirms that human life begins at conception—fertilization. At fertilization, the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism, a member of the species Homo sapiens, needing only the proper environment in order to grow and develop.

Even if the “proper environment” is unwilling.

The proper environment for a human baby to develop is it’s mother’s uterus and body.

If the mom is unwilling, she should abstain or use birth control.

I get the feeling here women resent being a woman and dislike their own children.

It’s both sad and and exercise in denial at the same time. If you are intelligent and educated, prevent pregnancy. If you want to pretend you cannot have a child, don’t be surprised when you end up pregnant. It’s not a mystery process.

Can I ask, have you always had difficulty imagining what other people’s lives are like and what difficulties or experiences they might be facing? It’s really a mental handicap not to have that capability and I’m sorry you have to deal with it.

[Anonymous]

Will someone show me the specific legislation that makes Plan B, birth control and IUDs illegal in the AL bill? Someone made the allegation above and I am interested to be it.

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The predominance of human biological research confirms that human life begins at conception—fertilization. At fertilization, the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism, a member of the species Homo sapiens, needing only the proper environment in order to grow and develop.

Even if the “proper environment” is unwilling.

The proper environment for a human baby to develop is it’s mother’s uterus and body.

If the mom is unwilling, she should abstain or use birth control.

I get the feeling here women resent being a woman and dislike their own children.

It’s both sad and and exercise in denial at the same time. If you are intelligent and educated, prevent pregnancy. If you want to pretend you cannot have a child, don’t be surprised when you end up pregnant. It’s not a mystery process.

Or maybe women here love their children and want to be the one who decides what is best for them. Maybe the woman with placental anomalies wants to protect her already existing children from the 20% chance carrying to viability will kill her. Maybe the woman wants to protect her future children from growing up in poverty (SES is highly correlated to mom's education level). Maybe the woman wants to protect her child from a short and painful life by letting them pass peacefully in the womb. Maybe the woman's fetus has already passed and she's trying to protect her own life and the possibility of future children. Maybe the woman, knowing that another child will lead to divorce, wants to protect her existing children from growing up without a dad.

The fact is the majority of Americans respect women enough to let women and their doctors make these decisions. We want abortion to be rare, so we push for science based education and easy access to long term effective birth control. The minority aren't happy with this and want to force their will on the rest of America. Removing easy access to birth control, eliminating science based education, gerrymandering districts to push through legislation, and legislating from the bench are their only ways to exert their control.

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I am interested to *see it (the specific language in the AL bill outlawing bc and plan B).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If a woman shows up at a hospital, losing her pregnancy - how will you determine who is having a miscarriage and who deliberately ended it? Pregnancy loss from taking an abortion pill is indistinguishable from miscarriage.

this. this right here is the part that terrifies me about all of this. Women in countries with abortion bans get thrown in jail for miscarriage.

It has happened right here in this country, too. In states with personhood and fetal homicide bills. Women imprisoned for miscarriage/stillbirth.

This shit is scary and is why I am terrified for my daughters to grow up in a country like this.

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