What's with the constant put down here of hardworking kids as "Striver" kids"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Overloading the word Striver with all kinds of negative meaning so that you can justify hating hardworking kids is like overloading the word "White" to mean racist and privileged, so one can feel justified to hate on any white person who does not grovel and become a woke ally

It's stupid. You can't just give any word any meaning and description you want.

The dictionary meaning of Striver is

To devote serious effort or energy
To struggle in opposition

Stop overloading the word with your favorite myths and biases, so that you can thumb your noses at Asian kids who actually embody an exemplary work ethic and teach others the value of delayed gratification

First, I completely disagree with the racial component. Even if there are example of people calling a given Asian a striver, I've heard it applied to many more whites in my day. Second, you can't demand that words not be overloaded. They are. Everyday. That's the world you are in. You need to understand it, or at least send your kid to a college where they take some quality humanities classes and learn some nuance.

The nuanced understanding of striver includes the racial component. Thus all the other references to tiger moms and tiger cubs. You're the one who seems unwilling to understand that you're using a word that is now loaded with a racial overtone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Overloading the word Striver with all kinds of negative meaning so that you can justify hating hardworking kids is like overloading the word "White" to mean racist and privileged, so one can feel justified to hate on any white person who does not grovel and become a woke ally

It's stupid. You can't just give any word any meaning and description you want.

The dictionary meaning of Striver is

To devote serious effort or energy
To struggle in opposition

Stop overloading the word with your favorite myths and biases, so that you can thumb your noses at Asian kids who actually embody an exemplary work ethic and teach others the value of delayed gratification

First, I completely disagree with the racial component. Even if there are example of people calling a given Asian a striver, I've heard it applied to many more whites in my day. Second, you can't demand that words not be overloaded. They are. Everyday. That's the world you are in. You need to understand it, or at least send your kid to a college where they take some quality humanities classes and learn some nuance.

The nuanced understanding of striver includes the racial component. Thus all the other references to tiger moms and tiger cubs. You're the one who seems unwilling to understand that you're using a word that is now loaded with a racial overtone.

FFS Asians are not strivers.

This has nothing to do with Asians.

It’s like youre pissed that this is not about Asians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Overloading the word Striver with all kinds of negative meaning so that you can justify hating hardworking kids is like overloading the word "White" to mean racist and privileged, so one can feel justified to hate on any white person who does not grovel and become a woke ally

It's stupid. You can't just give any word any meaning and description you want.

The dictionary meaning of Striver is

To devote serious effort or energy
To struggle in opposition

Stop overloading the word with your favorite myths and biases, so that you can thumb your noses at Asian kids who actually embody an exemplary work ethic and teach others the value of delayed gratification

First, I completely disagree with the racial component. Even if there are example of people calling a given Asian a striver, I've heard it applied to many more whites in my day. Second, you can't demand that words not be overloaded. They are. Everyday. That's the world you are in. You need to understand it, or at least send your kid to a college where they take some quality humanities classes and learn some nuance.

The nuanced understanding of striver includes the racial component. Thus all the other references to tiger moms and tiger cubs. You're the one who seems unwilling to understand that you're using a word that is now loaded with a racial overtone.

FFS Asians are not strivers.

This has nothing to do with Asians.

It’s like youre pissed that this is not about Asians.

FFS it is. It's like you want to be able to use a pejorative appellation with racial overtones and get away with it. Somehow I'm not surprised.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Overloading the word Striver with all kinds of negative meaning so that you can justify hating hardworking kids is like overloading the word "White" to mean racist and privileged, so one can feel justified to hate on any white person who does not grovel and become a woke ally

It's stupid. You can't just give any word any meaning and description you want.

The dictionary meaning of Striver is

To devote serious effort or energy
To struggle in opposition

Stop overloading the word with your favorite myths and biases, so that you can thumb your noses at Asian kids who actually embody an exemplary work ethic and teach others the value of delayed gratification

First, I completely disagree with the racial component. Even if there are example of people calling a given Asian a striver, I've heard it applied to many more whites in my day. Second, you can't demand that words not be overloaded. They are. Everyday. That's the world you are in. You need to understand it, or at least send your kid to a college where they take some quality humanities classes and learn some nuance.

The nuanced understanding of striver includes the racial component. Thus all the other references to tiger moms and tiger cubs. You're the one who seems unwilling to understand that you're using a word that is now loaded with a racial overtone.

FFS Asians are not strivers.

This has nothing to do with Asians.

It’s like youre pissed that this is not about Asians.

FFS it is. It's like you want to be able to use a pejorative appellation with racial overtones and get away with it. Somehow I'm not surprised.

Is there just one crazy Asian on this thread or many? You are a cook!

Tiger mom is about Asians.

Strivers is rarely used to describe an Asian. Truthfully Asians are rarely in proximity to people that they can try to strive to be like.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Overloading the word Striver with all kinds of negative meaning so that you can justify hating hardworking kids is like overloading the word "White" to mean racist and privileged, so one can feel justified to hate on any white person who does not grovel and become a woke ally

It's stupid. You can't just give any word any meaning and description you want.

The dictionary meaning of Striver is

To devote serious effort or energy
To struggle in opposition

Stop overloading the word with your favorite myths and biases, so that you can thumb your noses at Asian kids who actually embody an exemplary work ethic and teach others the value of delayed gratification

First, I completely disagree with the racial component. Even if there are example of people calling a given Asian a striver, I've heard it applied to many more whites in my day. Second, you can't demand that words not be overloaded. They are. Everyday. That's the world you are in. You need to understand it, or at least send your kid to a college where they take some quality humanities classes and learn some nuance.

The nuanced understanding of striver includes the racial component. Thus all the other references to tiger moms and tiger cubs. You're the one who seems unwilling to understand that you're using a word that is now loaded with a racial overtone.

FFS Asians are not strivers.

This has nothing to do with Asians.

It’s like youre pissed that this is not about Asians.

FFS it is. It's like you want to be able to use a pejorative appellation with racial overtones and get away with it. Somehow I'm not surprised.

Of course you’re correct but you’re wasting your time trying to edify the simpleton.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Overloading the word Striver with all kinds of negative meaning so that you can justify hating hardworking kids is like overloading the word "White" to mean racist and privileged, so one can feel justified to hate on any white person who does not grovel and become a woke ally

It's stupid. You can't just give any word any meaning and description you want.

The dictionary meaning of Striver is

To devote serious effort or energy
To struggle in opposition

Stop overloading the word with your favorite myths and biases, so that you can thumb your noses at Asian kids who actually embody an exemplary work ethic and teach others the value of delayed gratification

First, I completely disagree with the racial component. Even if there are example of people calling a given Asian a striver, I've heard it applied to many more whites in my day. Second, you can't demand that words not be overloaded. They are. Everyday. That's the world you are in. You need to understand it, or at least send your kid to a college where they take some quality humanities classes and learn some nuance.

The nuanced understanding of striver includes the racial component. Thus all the other references to tiger moms and tiger cubs. You're the one who seems unwilling to understand that you're using a word that is now loaded with a racial overtone.

FFS Asians are not strivers.

This has nothing to do with Asians.

It’s like youre pissed that this is not about Asians.

FFS it is. It's like you want to be able to use a pejorative appellation with racial overtones and get away with it. Somehow I'm not surprised.

Is there just one crazy Asian on this thread or many? You are a cook!

Tiger mom is about Asians.

Strivers is rarely used to describe an Asian. Truthfully Asians are rarely in proximity to people that they can try to strive to be like.

"I'm not a racist!" screams the poster sprinkling racist memes throughout their posts. I'm a cook? That's the best you can do? Why not ask if I own a laundry?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Overloading the word Striver with all kinds of negative meaning so that you can justify hating hardworking kids is like overloading the word "White" to mean racist and privileged, so one can feel justified to hate on any white person who does not grovel and become a woke ally

It's stupid. You can't just give any word any meaning and description you want.

The dictionary meaning of Striver is

To devote serious effort or energy
To struggle in opposition

Stop overloading the word with your favorite myths and biases, so that you can thumb your noses at Asian kids who actually embody an exemplary work ethic and teach others the value of delayed gratification

First, I completely disagree with the racial component. Even if there are example of people calling a given Asian a striver, I've heard it applied to many more whites in my day. Second, you can't demand that words not be overloaded. They are. Everyday. That's the world you are in. You need to understand it, or at least send your kid to a college where they take some quality humanities classes and learn some nuance.

The nuanced understanding of striver includes the racial component. Thus all the other references to tiger moms and tiger cubs. You're the one who seems unwilling to understand that you're using a word that is now loaded with a racial overtone.

So which is it? Words only have dictionary definitions, strivers are good, and therefore Asians should want to be strivers. Or words have nuance, and striver is a pejorative that's unfairly applied to Asians. Can't be both.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Overloading the word Striver with all kinds of negative meaning so that you can justify hating hardworking kids is like overloading the word "White" to mean racist and privileged, so one can feel justified to hate on any white person who does not grovel and become a woke ally

It's stupid. You can't just give any word any meaning and description you want.

The dictionary meaning of Striver is

To devote serious effort or energy
To struggle in opposition

Stop overloading the word with your favorite myths and biases, so that you can thumb your noses at Asian kids who actually embody an exemplary work ethic and teach others the value of delayed gratification

First, I completely disagree with the racial component. Even if there are example of people calling a given Asian a striver, I've heard it applied to many more whites in my day. Second, you can't demand that words not be overloaded. They are. Everyday. That's the world you are in. You need to understand it, or at least send your kid to a college where they take some quality humanities classes and learn some nuance.

The nuanced understanding of striver includes the racial component. Thus all the other references to tiger moms and tiger cubs. You're the one who seems unwilling to understand that you're using a word that is now loaded with a racial overtone.

So which is it? Words only have dictionary definitions, strivers are good, and therefore Asians should want to be strivers. Or words have nuance, and striver is a pejorative that's unfairly applied to Asians. Can't be both.

I wasn't the one who posted the dictionary definition. I agree with you that words can and are used in ways not listed in the dictionary. This is one of them. It's a pejorative that's being applied to Asians by the parents of less accomplished white kids in an attempt to make themselves feel better about their own children. You can't use 'tiger mom' because that's more overtly racist, so you use this instead and then when you get called out on it, you backtrack and claim it's not intended that way or nuanced in some other way. It's probably the same set of rhetorical dodges you use to justify the confederate flag. You adopt racial language but you're not racist. Ok, then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Overloading the word Striver with all kinds of negative meaning so that you can justify hating hardworking kids is like overloading the word "White" to mean racist and privileged, so one can feel justified to hate on any white person who does not grovel and become a woke ally

It's stupid. You can't just give any word any meaning and description you want.

The dictionary meaning of Striver is

To devote serious effort or energy
To struggle in opposition

Stop overloading the word with your favorite myths and biases, so that you can thumb your noses at Asian kids who actually embody an exemplary work ethic and teach others the value of delayed gratification

First, I completely disagree with the racial component. Even if there are example of people calling a given Asian a striver, I've heard it applied to many more whites in my day. Second, you can't demand that words not be overloaded. They are. Everyday. That's the world you are in. You need to understand it, or at least send your kid to a college where they take some quality humanities classes and learn some nuance.

The nuanced understanding of striver includes the racial component. Thus all the other references to tiger moms and tiger cubs. You're the one who seems unwilling to understand that you're using a word that is now loaded with a racial overtone.

So which is it? Words only have dictionary definitions, strivers are good, and therefore Asians should want to be strivers. Or words have nuance, and striver is a pejorative that's unfairly applied to Asians. Can't be both.

I wasn't the one who posted the dictionary definition. I agree with you that words can and are used in ways not listed in the dictionary. This is one of them. It's a pejorative that's being applied to Asians by the parents of less accomplished white kids in an attempt to make themselves feel better about their own children. You can't use 'tiger mom' because that's more overtly racist, so you use this instead and then when you get called out on it, you backtrack and claim it's not intended that way or nuanced in some other way. It's probably the same set of rhetorical dodges you use to justify the confederate flag. You adopt racial language but you're not racist. Ok, then.

Well you're being pretty presumptive with 'you' since I haven't called anyone a tiger mom or defended the confederate flag. And you might point out that you are a different poster, because at least then we might come to some consensus that words have meanings beyond the dictionary which, the person I responded to can't accept. It would not be surprising if Asians mostly hear striver used as a pejorative against Asians, but I promise you it's used in many other contexts, too. And I've tried to offer examples in this thread. I even know someone, who is still kicking himself because in an interview ages ago, when asked for one word to describe himself, the only thing that popped into his head was "striver."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Overloading the word Striver with all kinds of negative meaning so that you can justify hating hardworking kids is like overloading the word "White" to mean racist and privileged, so one can feel justified to hate on any white person who does not grovel and become a woke ally

It's stupid. You can't just give any word any meaning and description you want.

The dictionary meaning of Striver is

To devote serious effort or energy
To struggle in opposition

Stop overloading the word with your favorite myths and biases, so that you can thumb your noses at Asian kids who actually embody an exemplary work ethic and teach others the value of delayed gratification

First, I completely disagree with the racial component. Even if there are example of people calling a given Asian a striver, I've heard it applied to many more whites in my day. Second, you can't demand that words not be overloaded. They are. Everyday. That's the world you are in. You need to understand it, or at least send your kid to a college where they take some quality humanities classes and learn some nuance.

The nuanced understanding of striver includes the racial component. Thus all the other references to tiger moms and tiger cubs. You're the one who seems unwilling to understand that you're using a word that is now loaded with a racial overtone.

So which is it? Words only have dictionary definitions, strivers are good, and therefore Asians should want to be strivers. Or words have nuance, and striver is a pejorative that's unfairly applied to Asians. Can't be both.

I wasn't the one who posted the dictionary definition. I agree with you that words can and are used in ways not listed in the dictionary. This is one of them. It's a pejorative that's being applied to Asians by the parents of less accomplished white kids in an attempt to make themselves feel better about their own children. You can't use 'tiger mom' because that's more overtly racist, so you use this instead and then when you get called out on it, you backtrack and claim it's not intended that way or nuanced in some other way. It's probably the same set of rhetorical dodges you use to justify the confederate flag. You adopt racial language but you're not racist. Ok, then.

Well you're being pretty presumptive with 'you' since I haven't called anyone a tiger mom or defended the confederate flag. And you might point out that you are a different poster, because at least then we might come to some consensus that words have meanings beyond the dictionary which, the person I responded to can't accept. It would not be surprising if Asians mostly hear striver used as a pejorative against Asians, but I promise you it's used in many other contexts, too. And I've tried to offer examples in this thread. I even know someone, who is still kicking himself because in an interview ages ago, when asked for one word to describe himself, the only thing that popped into his head was "striver."

Nobody ever said that meanings are limited to the dictionary.

What we ARE saying is that your attempt to give a new, pejorative definition of "striver" is A) overtly or implicitly racist and B) seems more driven by your own insecurity and need to tear down other children's success, than by actual examples given in this thread.

This is compounded by posters repeated statements of "you don't know what a striver is, dummy."

Ok so if you're going to make up a definition, then it's on you to actually define it. So far, I have not seen any real-world examples that indicates that there's a scourge of "cut-throat strivers" out to get the kids who should be succeeding naturally on their superior merits with less effort.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Overloading the word Striver with all kinds of negative meaning so that you can justify hating hardworking kids is like overloading the word "White" to mean racist and privileged, so one can feel justified to hate on any white person who does not grovel and become a woke ally

It's stupid. You can't just give any word any meaning and description you want.

The dictionary meaning of Striver is

To devote serious effort or energy
To struggle in opposition

Stop overloading the word with your favorite myths and biases, so that you can thumb your noses at Asian kids who actually embody an exemplary work ethic and teach others the value of delayed gratification

First, I completely disagree with the racial component. Even if there are example of people calling a given Asian a striver, I've heard it applied to many more whites in my day. Second, you can't demand that words not be overloaded. They are. Everyday. That's the world you are in. You need to understand it, or at least send your kid to a college where they take some quality humanities classes and learn some nuance.

The nuanced understanding of striver includes the racial component. Thus all the other references to tiger moms and tiger cubs. You're the one who seems unwilling to understand that you're using a word that is now loaded with a racial overtone.

FFS Asians are not strivers.

This has nothing to do with Asians.

It’s like youre pissed that this is not about Asians.

FFS it is. It's like you want to be able to use a pejorative appellation with racial overtones and get away with it. Somehow I'm not surprised.

Is there just one crazy Asian on this thread or many? You are a cook!

Tiger mom is about Asians.

Strivers is rarely used to describe an Asian. Truthfully Asians are rarely in proximity to people that they can try to strive to be like.

"I'm not a racist!" screams the poster sprinkling racist memes throughout their posts. I'm a cook? That's the best you can do? Why not ask if I own a laundry?

How about this... I am racist and striver still has nothing to do with Asians.

Bad drivers, cheats on tests, Kumon at 5.... yes... Asian, tiger mom but still not a striver.

[Anonymous]

Frye festival dude -> striver

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Overloading the word Striver with all kinds of negative meaning so that you can justify hating hardworking kids is like overloading the word "White" to mean racist and privileged, so one can feel justified to hate on any white person who does not grovel and become a woke ally

It's stupid. You can't just give any word any meaning and description you want.

The dictionary meaning of Striver is

To devote serious effort or energy
To struggle in opposition

Stop overloading the word with your favorite myths and biases, so that you can thumb your noses at Asian kids who actually embody an exemplary work ethic and teach others the value of delayed gratification

First, I completely disagree with the racial component. Even if there are example of people calling a given Asian a striver, I've heard it applied to many more whites in my day. Second, you can't demand that words not be overloaded. They are. Everyday. That's the world you are in. You need to understand it, or at least send your kid to a college where they take some quality humanities classes and learn some nuance.

The nuanced understanding of striver includes the racial component. Thus all the other references to tiger moms and tiger cubs. You're the one who seems unwilling to understand that you're using a word that is now loaded with a racial overtone.

So which is it? Words only have dictionary definitions, strivers are good, and therefore Asians should want to be strivers. Or words have nuance, and striver is a pejorative that's unfairly applied to Asians. Can't be both.

I wasn't the one who posted the dictionary definition. I agree with you that words can and are used in ways not listed in the dictionary. This is one of them. It's a pejorative that's being applied to Asians by the parents of less accomplished white kids in an attempt to make themselves feel better about their own children. You can't use 'tiger mom' because that's more overtly racist, so you use this instead and then when you get called out on it, you backtrack and claim it's not intended that way or nuanced in some other way. It's probably the same set of rhetorical dodges you use to justify the confederate flag. You adopt racial language but you're not racist. Ok, then.

Well you're being pretty presumptive with 'you' since I haven't called anyone a tiger mom or defended the confederate flag. And you might point out that you are a different poster, because at least then we might come to some consensus that words have meanings beyond the dictionary which, the person I responded to can't accept. It would not be surprising if Asians mostly hear striver used as a pejorative against Asians, but I promise you it's used in many other contexts, too. And I've tried to offer examples in this thread. I even know someone, who is still kicking himself because in an interview ages ago, when asked for one word to describe himself, the only thing that popped into his head was "striver."

You ... hang around people who still kick themselves for a single word used in an interview "ages ago"? Well, more evidence that you have an ... odd frame of reference. BTW, being obsessed that you used the wrong word "ages ago" in an interview (and presumably attributing some lasting failure to that?) kind of slots in to the neurotic achievement orietnation that you claim for "strivers."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Overloading the word Striver with all kinds of negative meaning so that you can justify hating hardworking kids is like overloading the word "White" to mean racist and privileged, so one can feel justified to hate on any white person who does not grovel and become a woke ally

It's stupid. You can't just give any word any meaning and description you want.

The dictionary meaning of Striver is

To devote serious effort or energy
To struggle in opposition

Stop overloading the word with your favorite myths and biases, so that you can thumb your noses at Asian kids who actually embody an exemplary work ethic and teach others the value of delayed gratification

First, I completely disagree with the racial component. Even if there are example of people calling a given Asian a striver, I've heard it applied to many more whites in my day. Second, you can't demand that words not be overloaded. They are. Everyday. That's the world you are in. You need to understand it, or at least send your kid to a college where they take some quality humanities classes and learn some nuance.

The nuanced understanding of striver includes the racial component. Thus all the other references to tiger moms and tiger cubs. You're the one who seems unwilling to understand that you're using a word that is now loaded with a racial overtone.

FFS Asians are not strivers.

This has nothing to do with Asians.

It’s like youre pissed that this is not about Asians.

FFS it is. It's like you want to be able to use a pejorative appellation with racial overtones and get away with it. Somehow I'm not surprised.

Is there just one crazy Asian on this thread or many? You are a cook!

Tiger mom is about Asians.

Strivers is rarely used to describe an Asian. Truthfully Asians are rarely in proximity to people that they can try to strive to be like.

"I'm not a racist!" screams the poster sprinkling racist memes throughout their posts. I'm a cook? That's the best you can do? Why not ask if I own a laundry?

How about this... I am racist and striver still has nothing to do with Asians.

Bad drivers, cheats on tests, Kumon at 5.... yes... Asian, tiger mom but still not a striver.

How about you're too stupid to claim any authority on what the word means? You are the proof that it is about Asians.

Anyone who thinks otherwise and posts that on this board - this is your team.

[Anonymous]

Different PP here, who hasn't posted in a number of pages. But I thought some examples of strivers being described in other contexts negatively might provide some helpful nuance:

"Who wants to be “unwashed” (or should we say, “pre-washed”) if that means being an aggressive tryhard like the “If We Could Be Boring” girl from Thought Catalog circa 2011? Nothing is uncooler than the striver who really wants you to know she drinks Aperol on a fire escape and lives “in a golden house full of only beautiful people.” The “washed” are fine with their red wine and their gardens, because they’re comfortable in their own skins."

https://slate.com/human-interest/2018/07/saying-im-washed-a-la-gqs-zach-baron-is-really-just-another-way-of-saying-im-cool.html

"He is a “prolix, circular” thinker, “more of an intellectual striver than a genuine intellectual,” who extolls Indian slums for their sustainable way of life and preaches against the corrupting allure of “sophistication” while himself living in unfathomable luxe."

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/04/10/where-prince-charles-went-wrong

"Tries Too Hard is the category of do-gooders, poseurs, strivers, and phonies. Cultural aversions to inauthenticity and shamelessness — which we often believe to go hand-in-hand — cause us to revile those whose lives and mannerisms seem rehearsed."

https://www.thecut.com/2013/04/20-most-hated-celebrities-why-we-hate-them.html

On the Smashing Pumpkins: "The band was called out by Pavement in the lyrics to “Range Life,” getting lumped into the same verse as Stone Temple Pilots, who were seen as alt rock’s ultimate strivers."

https://www.spin.com/2013/07/smashing-pumpkins-siamese-dream-20-video-directors-cherub-rock-today-disarm-rocket/

"Since time immemorial, strivers have been kissing up to the prom queen; glad-handing strangers; and hiring claques to astroturf applause. (And some timeless strivers do all of the above, like a certain popular Twitter user who brought a claque to his first meeting with the CIA."

https://www.thecut.com/2017/04/social-media-made-popularity-boring.html

Oh and there's this: "A Running List Of Cowards, Courtiers, Strivers And Suck-Ups" https://www.huffpost.com/entry/white-house-correspondents-dinner-reaction_n_5ae662bfe4b04aa23f243be0