$24 billion NYC public schools only accepted 7 black students (of 895) to top magnet high schoool

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Sure, it has nothing to do with intellect, work ethic and a cultural value placed on education. Keep your unintelligent head in the sand and things will never change.

I don't think going to a tutor starting at 5 and not having a childhood is something to honor or imitate.

OK. Then don't. That's your prerogative. But they you aren't allowed to bitch and moan about how others get better test scores, and so more opportunities. Or, for that matter, whine about changing the entrance requirements away from test scores because some groups aren't scoring as well as others.

+1. You’re an utter imbecile. The school tells you exactly what the entrance requirement is but instead of focusing on having your child adequately prepared you’re faulting other parents for having their children too prepared? When your child doesn’t study for a test and does poorly you blame the kids that studied? You live in an embarrassing world of low achievement, excuses, misdirected blame and a complete lack of willingness to take accountability for your actions and outcomes.

DP. That's an impressive rant but off target. An apology wouldn't be amiss.

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Anonymous wrote:Improve all schools so someone who doesn’t get into the magnet school isn’t disappointed. The magnet school becomes less about access to superior education and rather matching students to their proper level of academic rigor.

No one wins if it’s a zero sum game. It’s disappointing however that this discussion on racial disparity becomes more charged when Asian Americans are the majority. I hope the discourse stays away from “blaming” Asian Americans.

Let me let you in on a little secret. Crappy schools aren't crappy because of the teachers or resources. They are crappy because of the large number of crappy students. If you switched the populations between Langley HS and some SE DC HS and kept everything else about the schools the same. The formerly crappy schools would become top performing.

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Anonymous wrote:If students arn'te willing to put in the study time required to do well on this test, they shouldn't be granted admission to these schools. What would happen when they get there? They won't be able to keep up with the pace of homework, tests, etc that distinguishes these schools from other high schools.

What if they found that kids with lower scores but still high scores were able to keep up pace and actually excelled because they had a more balance life going into the school... no burn out.

Would you support putting all "acceptable" scores in a lottery instead of just taking the top scores.

If not, why?

I don't know this school specifically but I imagine it is similar to TJ here in the DC area. Is that a correct assumption? Most Asian countries have testing to determine whether students get into top high schools and colleges. I would imagine if students who make the cut don't end up doing well in school, they would have to change the admissions criteria. People are uncomfortable with this because it reveals that Asians are good at prepping for tests. It is part of their culture and Asian families work to get their kids into these schools. Maybe a lottery of all passing scores would work but then people would complain about that too. What if the lottery upped the number of Asians currently accepted?

I am very familiar with Asian model and it is a complete failure. Gaokao has tons of cheating and corruption.

I'm not concerned with how many Asians get this education, I am concerned about how many kids who could handle the education don't. I actually think if so many people "qualify" they need more of these programs and more Asian children could go to this type of school. In addition, if they knew they only needed a minimum score their parents might allow them to have a life.

Let's all be careful and understand that Asians in Asia are different than Asian Americans. Two completely different people and cohorts. Don't cherry pick things that happen halfway around the world in a different country and economic system and political system and try to extrapolate it and stereotype Asian Americans here in the U.S. It's gross and ignorant and bordering racist - the perpetual "othering" of Asian Americans and coloring them as "foreigners". Asian Americans are Americans.

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Let's all be careful and understand that Asians in Asia are different than Asian Americans. Two completely different people and cohorts. Don't cherry pick things that happen halfway around the world in a different country and economic system and political system and try to extrapolate it and stereotype Asian Americans here in the U.S. It's gross and ignorant and bordering racist - the perpetual "othering" of Asian Americans and coloring them as "foreigners". Asian Americans are Americans.

THIS.

All students who got into the magnet schools are AMERICANS. They got in because of their merit. No need to look at race because that is stupid way to measure American achievement. Give a chance to every student, maybe make all eligible students take this mandatory test and see how everyone is doing. Let's celebrate the fact that 45% of students in this top magnet school are on FARMS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Improve all schools so someone who doesn’t get into the magnet school isn’t disappointed. The magnet school becomes less about access to superior education and rather matching students to their proper level of academic rigor.

No one wins if it’s a zero sum game. It’s disappointing however that this discussion on racial disparity becomes more charged when Asian Americans are the majority. I hope the discourse stays away from “blaming” Asian Americans.

Let me let you in on a little secret. Crappy schools aren't crappy because of the teachers or resources. They are crappy because of the large number of crappy students. If you switched the populations between Langley HS and some SE DC HS and kept everything else about the schools the same. The formerly crappy schools would become top performing.

What if the families swapped completely? Give those SE DC families the Langley parent's education/career/homes/bank accounts.

It's not like the kids are just born crappy. They are born into a crappy system that is tough to escape.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Improve all schools so someone who doesn’t get into the magnet school isn’t disappointed. The magnet school becomes less about access to superior education and rather matching students to their proper level of academic rigor.

No one wins if it’s a zero sum game. It’s disappointing however that this discussion on racial disparity becomes more charged when Asian Americans are the majority. I hope the discourse stays away from “blaming” Asian Americans.

Let me let you in on a little secret. Crappy schools aren't crappy because of the teachers or resources. They are crappy because of the large number of crappy students. If you switched the populations between Langley HS and some SE DC HS and kept everything else about the schools the same. The formerly crappy schools would become top performing.

What if the families swapped completely? Give those SE DC families the Langley parent's education/career/homes/bank accounts.

It's not like the kids are just born crappy. They are born into a crappy system that is tough to escape.

How about taking the kids from these crappy families and letting the high achieving families foster them? Many of these low achieving kids would have a real chance if they were under someone else's care and had to follow rules. Obviously, there is no way that these parents can be taught how to parent effectively, since parenting is ingrained by a person's own childhood experience. This is the only way to break generations of crappy parenting that results in crappy academic achievement.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Improve all schools so someone who doesn’t get into the magnet school isn’t disappointed. The magnet school becomes less about access to superior education and rather matching students to their proper level of academic rigor.

No one wins if it’s a zero sum game. It’s disappointing however that this discussion on racial disparity becomes more charged when Asian Americans are the majority. I hope the discourse stays away from “blaming” Asian Americans.

Let me let you in on a little secret. Crappy schools aren't crappy because of the teachers or resources. They are crappy because of the large number of crappy students. If you switched the populations between Langley HS and some SE DC HS and kept everything else about the schools the same. The formerly crappy schools would become top performing.

What if the families swapped completely? Give those SE DC families the Langley parent's education/career/homes/bank accounts.

It's not like the kids are just born crappy. They are born into a crappy system that is tough to escape.

How about taking the kids from these crappy families and letting the high achieving families foster them? Many of these low achieving kids would have a real chance if they were under someone else's care and had to follow rules. Obviously, there is no way that these parents can be taught how to parent effectively, since parenting is ingrained by a person's own childhood experience. This is the only way to break generations of crappy parenting that results in crappy academic achievement.

Like Sandra bullock in the Blind Side.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Improve all schools so someone who doesn’t get into the magnet school isn’t disappointed. The magnet school becomes less about access to superior education and rather matching students to their proper level of academic rigor.

No one wins if it’s a zero sum game. It’s disappointing however that this discussion on racial disparity becomes more charged when Asian Americans are the majority. I hope the discourse stays away from “blaming” Asian Americans.

Let me let you in on a little secret. Crappy schools aren't crappy because of the teachers or resources. They are crappy because of the large number of crappy students. If you switched the populations between Langley HS and some SE DC HS and kept everything else about the schools the same. The formerly crappy schools would become top performing.

What if the families swapped completely? Give those SE DC families the Langley parent's education/career/homes/bank accounts.

It's not like the kids are just born crappy. They are born into a crappy system that is tough to escape.

How about taking the kids from these crappy families and letting the high achieving families foster them? Many of these low achieving kids would have a real chance if they were under someone else's care and had to follow rules. Obviously, there is no way that these parents can be taught how to parent effectively, since parenting is ingrained by a person's own childhood experience. This is the only way to break generations of crappy parenting that results in crappy academic achievement.

Like we did to American Indians? Cultural genocide.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Test Prep

Sure, it has nothing to do with intellect, work ethic and a cultural value placed on education. Keep your unintelligent head in the sand and things will never change.

I don't think going to a tutor starting at 5 and not having a childhood is something to honor or imitate.

OK. Then don't. That's your prerogative. But they you aren't allowed to bitch and moan about how others get better test scores, and so more opportunities. Or, for that matter, whine about changing the entrance requirements away from test scores because some groups aren't scoring as well as others.

+1. You’re an utter imbecile. The school tells you exactly what the entrance requirement is but instead of focusing on having your child adequately prepared you’re faulting other parents for having their children too prepared? When your child doesn’t study for a test and does poorly you blame the kids that studied? You live in an embarrassing world of low achievement, excuses, misdirected blame and a complete lack of willingness to take accountability for your actions and outcomes.

You live in a book. That is a sad existence and you are robbing your children of real learning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Improve all schools so someone who doesn’t get into the magnet school isn’t disappointed. The magnet school becomes less about access to superior education and rather matching students to their proper level of academic rigor.

No one wins if it’s a zero sum game. It’s disappointing however that this discussion on racial disparity becomes more charged when Asian Americans are the majority. I hope the discourse stays away from “blaming” Asian Americans.

Let me let you in on a little secret. Crappy schools aren't crappy because of the teachers or resources. They are crappy because of the large number of crappy students. If you switched the populations between Langley HS and some SE DC HS and kept everything else about the schools the same. The formerly crappy schools would become top performing.

When students are bused to schools like Langley because of magnet programs they realize the minute they walk in how many resources schools like Langley have over their home school.

[Anonymous]

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Let's all be careful and understand that Asians in Asia are different than Asian Americans. Two completely different people and cohorts. Don't cherry pick things that happen halfway around the world in a different country and economic system and political system and try to extrapolate it and stereotype Asian Americans here in the U.S. It's gross and ignorant and bordering racist - the perpetual "othering" of Asian Americans and coloring them as "foreigners". Asian Americans are Americans.

THIS.

All students who got into the magnet schools are AMERICANS. They got in because of their merit. No need to look at race because that is stupid way to measure American achievement. Give a chance to every student, maybe make all eligible students take this mandatory test and see how everyone is doing. Let's celebrate the fact that 45% of students in this top magnet school are on FARMS.

So they don't allow immigrants into Stuy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Test Prep

Sure, it has nothing to do with intellect, work ethic and a cultural value placed on education. Keep your unintelligent head in the sand and things will never change.

I don't think going to a tutor starting at 5 and not having a childhood is something to honor or imitate.

OK. Then don't. That's your prerogative. But they you aren't allowed to bitch and moan about how others get better test scores, and so more opportunities. Or, for that matter, whine about changing the entrance requirements away from test scores because some groups aren't scoring as well as others.

+1. You’re an utter imbecile. The school tells you exactly what the entrance requirement is but instead of focusing on having your child adequately prepared you’re faulting other parents for having their children too prepared? When your child doesn’t study for a test and does poorly you blame the kids that studied? You live in an embarrassing world of low achievement, excuses, misdirected blame and a complete lack of willingness to take accountability for your actions and outcomes.

You live in a book. That is a sad existence and you are robbing your children of real learning.

Again, you parent the way you want. Just don't whine when your parenting style doesn't yield the results you want, especially when the criteria for admission are well known.

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Asian-American here who oddly attended both very academic schools and what was known as "a magnet school for athletes." The truth is, test prep and asian parenting are nothing near as insane as sports prep. So if anyone thinks test prep is abusive to five year olds and specialized schools are wrong, they should first look at the travel sports system and elite high school sports programs and dismantle that or turn it into a lottery lol.

So, here is an example of what happens if you just test prep a person their whole life and they have no world experience learn.... lack of cognitive reasoning skills, no critical thinking, no original thoughts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Test Prep

Sure, it has nothing to do with intellect, work ethic and a cultural value placed on education. Keep your unintelligent head in the sand and things will never change.

I don't think going to a tutor starting at 5 and not having a childhood is something to honor or imitate.

OK. Then don't. That's your prerogative. But they you aren't allowed to bitch and moan about how others get better test scores, and so more opportunities. Or, for that matter, whine about changing the entrance requirements away from test scores because some groups aren't scoring as well as others.

+1. You’re an utter imbecile. The school tells you exactly what the entrance requirement is but instead of focusing on having your child adequately prepared you’re faulting other parents for having their children too prepared? When your child doesn’t study for a test and does poorly you blame the kids that studied? You live in an embarrassing world of low achievement, excuses, misdirected blame and a complete lack of willingness to take accountability for your actions and outcomes.

What an a$$hole. I feel sorry for your kids. They will grow either to be arrogant jerks like you or they will be the opposite and feel like they are never good enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Test Prep

Sure, it has nothing to do with intellect, work ethic and a cultural value placed on education. Keep your unintelligent head in the sand and things will never change.

I don't think going to a tutor starting at 5 and not having a childhood is something to honor or imitate.

OK. Then don't. That's your prerogative. But they you aren't allowed to bitch and moan about how others get better test scores, and so more opportunities. Or, for that matter, whine about changing the entrance requirements away from test scores because some groups aren't scoring as well as others.

+1. You’re an utter imbecile. The school tells you exactly what the entrance requirement is but instead of focusing on having your child adequately prepared you’re faulting other parents for having their children too prepared? When your child doesn’t study for a test and does poorly you blame the kids that studied? You live in an embarrassing world of low achievement, excuses, misdirected blame and a complete lack of willingness to take accountability for your actions and outcomes.

You live in a book. That is a sad existence and you are robbing your children of real learning.

Again, you parent the way you want. Just don't whine when your parenting style doesn't yield the results you want, especially when the criteria for admission are well known.

Funny, my parenting has gotten my kids exactly where i want them, which was not predetermined at 5. But go ahead with you law suits. You are clearly the one not happy with "admission criteria".