How long will the shutdown last?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/07/15/us/questions-about-the-border-kids.html

These kids are not visa "overstays."

There has been another surge over the last year or so. Why? Because we cannot send them home once they are here. And, it started with hopes of DACA.

There's a time limit on DACA that has already passed. Those kids can't read and neither can you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do people have any idea how much schools are affected by this.

In 2012, Fairfax County Public Schools had 17% ESOL---that was up 1/3 over the year before because of the Unaccompanied Minors.

This year, FCPS has 29% ESOL.

Granted, some of these are a result of legal immigration. But, 29%? Not likely.

Most of these kids are on free lunch, and I would imagine other welfare programs. Certainly, if the kids are here, we must educate and feed them. Churches gather food to send home on weekends. I know because we help with that.

These ESOL programs mean that these kids require more resources than your "average" English speaking kid. Many of them also are in special education which also requires additional resources and money.

This is draining our schools in this area--and our taxes.

But a wall won't solve that problem. 60% of illegal immigration is from visa overstays. Most of those kids came here on a tourist visa and never went home. Or their parents overstayed and gave birth here.

I know the wall makes you feel good, but it's useless. The tunnel right under it. Save the money and implement e-Verify.

We need e-verify, too. But that will not solve the problem of the guys waiting for jobs at 7-11.

And, walls do help. Ask the Border Patrol. Yes, they build tunnels----but tunnels are a lot harder to build that walking in.

As for the kids, many of them came as unaccompanied minors over the border. Why do you think the number went up a third in 2012?

There are thousands that cross the southern border constantly. We need to stop it.

Yeah, way to stop it by closing down the Government so CBP has to work without pay and immigration cases are stuck in federal courts. So. Much. Winning. We should start by prosecuting POTUS for his failure to use e-verify at his properties so he could pay his undocumented cleaning staff lower wages.

[Anonymous]

Yes, his hypocrisy is so infuriating.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Depends on how soon the Dems decide to approve $5 billion for the wall. I don’t see the President backing down. So I guess anywhere from one day to six years, assuming he gets a second term.

You really enjoy ordinary people suffering.

Not at all. But OP seemed to want an honest answer, so I tried my best to give her one. The truth is there’s not much that the OP or anyone else can do about it, other than perhaps phone their representatives daily and demand that they approve the money for the wall. Otherwise this very likely will drag on and on.

The con man with low 42% approval rate isn't going to get his approval go any higher by causing issues to millions of American citizens. So he will blink as he always does. If he does blink his approval will sink further. He is cornered. But eventually senate will bring the vote to end the shutdown. Then if he vetoes that, he is dead man.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am a Dem, and I wish Congress would appropriate the $5 billion for his stupid f@cking wall and reopen the government. It is just a wall. Other walls (fences, whatever you want to call them) exist along the border. And frankly, I care much more about my own ability to pay my mortgage and support my family than I care about preventing a wall. So let him win.

You're not a true Dem. You're just selfish. No on the wall.

not selfish (I responded to Dem PP shortly after.)

Trump is a narc. You cannot rewire their brains. Give him the wall and let's learn and move on. I lived with a narc for many years. Trump is one of the worst narcs I've seen.

You don't bully a narc. You cut your losses.

Let's not be an enabler. No wall.

NARCS never learn! They never learn!

They are childlike and have tantrums, which is what we've seen again and again. Give him the damn money and let's move along.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/07/15/us/questions-about-the-border-kids.html

These kids are not visa "overstays."

There has been another surge over the last year or so. Why? Because we cannot send them home once they are here. And, it started with hopes of DACA.

There's a time limit on DACA that has already passed. Those kids can't read and neither can you.

You think the people crossing understand that? It's what began it and they learned that the kids don't get sent back. I can read, but I can also apply reasoning. Can you?
To go from @12% to 29% in ESOL for a school system in six years is a pretty big jump. Some schools are 50%----and, very needy.

And, the schools are not the only resources being drained.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The shutdown will end when the Muller report (or first of several) comes to light. Then there will be a shift in thinking in the Senate. I predict something like a CR until the January 2021.

I'm holding my breath.

Every single time there's "something," it turns into nothing.

Why the wait?

Let's see if he pissed on some woman while making deals with Russians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a Dem, and I wish Congress would appropriate the $5 billion for his stupid f@cking wall and reopen the government. It is just a wall. Other walls (fences, whatever you want to call them) exist along the border. And frankly, I care much more about my own ability to pay my mortgage and support my family than I care about preventing a wall. So let him win.

I’m a Fed too. And terrified about where this is heading. But do you really want Trump to come back in October and shut the government down with his entire wishlist?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do people have any idea how much schools are affected by this.

In 2012, Fairfax County Public Schools had 17% ESOL---that was up 1/3 over the year before because of the Unaccompanied Minors.

This year, FCPS has 29% ESOL.

Granted, some of these are a result of legal immigration. But, 29%? Not likely.

Most of these kids are on free lunch, and I would imagine other welfare programs. Certainly, if the kids are here, we must educate and feed them. Churches gather food to send home on weekends. I know because we help with that.

These ESOL programs mean that these kids require more resources than your "average" English speaking kid. Many of them also are in special education which also requires additional resources and money.

This is draining our schools in this area--and our taxes.

But a wall won't solve that problem. 60% of illegal immigration is from visa overstays. Most of those kids came here on a tourist visa and never went home. Or their parents overstayed and gave birth here.

I know the wall makes you feel good, but it's useless. The tunnel right under it. Save the money and implement e-Verify.

We need e-verify, too. But that will not solve the problem of the guys waiting for jobs at 7-11.

And, walls do help. Ask the Border Patrol. Yes, they build tunnels----but tunnels are a lot harder to build that walking in.

As for the kids, many of them came as unaccompanied minors over the border. Why do you think the number went up a third in 2012?

There are thousands that cross the southern border constantly. We need to stop it.

Yeah, way to stop it by closing down the Government so CBP has to work without pay and immigration cases are stuck in federal courts. So. Much. Winning. We should start by prosecuting POTUS for his failure to use e-verify at his properties so he could pay his undocumented cleaning staff lower wages.

People who can’t make mortgage payments and car payments and college tuition payments don’t work without pay indefinitely. He’s got another week, maybe 2, before CPB, air trafffic control, TSA, etc. start quitting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/07/15/us/questions-about-the-border-kids.html

These kids are not visa "overstays."

There has been another surge over the last year or so. Why? Because we cannot send them home once they are here. And, it started with hopes of DACA.

The area with the most the unaccompanied minors are the Rio Grande Valley sector of the CBP jurisdiction.

The RGV sector is nearly ALL covered by a border wall. Those unaccompanied minors are NOT coming over the desert land. They are presenting themselves at the McAllen and Brownsville port of entries and asking for asylum.

Again, A WALL DOES NOT FIX THIS PROBLEM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a Dem, and I wish Congress would appropriate the $5 billion for his stupid f@cking wall and reopen the government. It is just a wall. Other walls (fences, whatever you want to call them) exist along the border. And frankly, I care much more about my own ability to pay my mortgage and support my family than I care about preventing a wall. So let him win.

But it's not just 5 billion.

I’m a contractor and a Dem, no way should he get $5B for the wall! I’m out of work and won’t make back pay but the wall is f*king stupid. There is already a wall!

$5B is just a small fraction of the wall. To fully complete the wall, we will need $35-60B in total. And it won't even work when nearly 60% of illegal immigration is from visa overstays.

There's so many better uses for that money.

+1 You don't need a wall in this era of information technology. The problem is that cheap lawless employers like Trump prefer to hire undocumented workers and to avoid using e-verify.

This This This

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The last government shutdown was over $3.4B for healthcare. The GOP said it was too expensive and we didn't have the money. So if we couldn't afford $3.4 for healthcare, how is it we can afford $5B for a wall?

This.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do people have any idea how much schools are affected by this.

In 2012, Fairfax County Public Schools had 17% ESOL---that was up 1/3 over the year before because of the Unaccompanied Minors.

This year, FCPS has 29% ESOL.

Granted, some of these are a result of legal immigration. But, 29%? Not likely.

Most of these kids are on free lunch, and I would imagine other welfare programs. Certainly, if the kids are here, we must educate and feed them. Churches gather food to send home on weekends. I know because we help with that.

These ESOL programs mean that these kids require more resources than your "average" English speaking kid. Many of them also are in special education which also requires additional resources and money.

This is draining our schools in this area--and our taxes.

But a wall won't solve that problem. 60% of illegal immigration is from visa overstays. Most of those kids came here on a tourist visa and never went home. Or their parents overstayed and gave birth here.

I know the wall makes you feel good, but it's useless. The tunnel right under it. Save the money and implement e-Verify.

We need e-verify, too. But that will not solve the problem of the guys waiting for jobs at 7-11.

And, walls do help. Ask the Border Patrol. Yes, they build tunnels----but tunnels are a lot harder to build that walking in.

As for the kids, many of them came as unaccompanied minors over the border. Why do you think the number went up a third in 2012?

There are thousands that cross the southern border constantly. We need to stop it.

Yeah, way to stop it by closing down the Government so CBP has to work without pay and immigration cases are stuck in federal courts. So. Much. Winning. We should start by prosecuting POTUS for his failure to use e-verify at his properties so he could pay his undocumented cleaning staff lower wages.

People who can’t make mortgage payments and car payments and college tuition payments don’t work without pay indefinitely. He’s got another week, maybe 2, before CPB, air trafffic control, TSA, etc. start quitting.

No big deal. If they walk off the job, the President can send in the military, just like Reagan did with the air traffic controllers. National security must come first!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do people have any idea how much schools are affected by this.

In 2012, Fairfax County Public Schools had 17% ESOL---that was up 1/3 over the year before because of the Unaccompanied Minors.

This year, FCPS has 29% ESOL.

Granted, some of these are a result of legal immigration. But, 29%? Not likely.

Most of these kids are on free lunch, and I would imagine other welfare programs. Certainly, if the kids are here, we must educate and feed them. Churches gather food to send home on weekends. I know because we help with that.

These ESOL programs mean that these kids require more resources than your "average" English speaking kid. Many of them also are in special education which also requires additional resources and money.

This is draining our schools in this area--and our taxes.

But a wall won't solve that problem. 60% of illegal immigration is from visa overstays. Most of those kids came here on a tourist visa and never went home. Or their parents overstayed and gave birth here.

I know the wall makes you feel good, but it's useless. The tunnel right under it. Save the money and implement e-Verify.

We need e-verify, too. But that will not solve the problem of the guys waiting for jobs at 7-11.

And, walls do help. Ask the Border Patrol. Yes, they build tunnels----but tunnels are a lot harder to build that walking in.

As for the kids, many of them came as unaccompanied minors over the border. Why do you think the number went up a third in 2012?

There are thousands that cross the southern border constantly. We need to stop it.

Yeah, way to stop it by closing down the Government so CBP has to work without pay and immigration cases are stuck in federal courts. So. Much. Winning. We should start by prosecuting POTUS for his failure to use e-verify at his properties so he could pay his undocumented cleaning staff lower wages.

People who can’t make mortgage payments and car payments and college tuition payments don’t work without pay indefinitely. He’s got another week, maybe 2, before CPB, air trafffic control, TSA, etc. start quitting.

+1 - How long can these workers go without pay? They can get a decent job in the private sector at this point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do people have any idea how much schools are affected by this.

In 2012, Fairfax County Public Schools had 17% ESOL---that was up 1/3 over the year before because of the Unaccompanied Minors.

This year, FCPS has 29% ESOL.

Granted, some of these are a result of legal immigration. But, 29%? Not likely.

Most of these kids are on free lunch, and I would imagine other welfare programs. Certainly, if the kids are here, we must educate and feed them. Churches gather food to send home on weekends. I know because we help with that.

These ESOL programs mean that these kids require more resources than your "average" English speaking kid. Many of them also are in special education which also requires additional resources and money.

This is draining our schools in this area--and our taxes.

But a wall won't solve that problem. 60% of illegal immigration is from visa overstays. Most of those kids came here on a tourist visa and never went home. Or their parents overstayed and gave birth here.

I know the wall makes you feel good, but it's useless. The tunnel right under it. Save the money and implement e-Verify.

We need e-verify, too. But that will not solve the problem of the guys waiting for jobs at 7-11.

And, walls do help. Ask the Border Patrol. Yes, they build tunnels----but tunnels are a lot harder to build that walking in.

As for the kids, many of them came as unaccompanied minors over the border. Why do you think the number went up a third in 2012?

There are thousands that cross the southern border constantly. We need to stop it.

Yeah, way to stop it by closing down the Government so CBP has to work without pay and immigration cases are stuck in federal courts. So. Much. Winning. We should start by prosecuting POTUS for his failure to use e-verify at his properties so he could pay his undocumented cleaning staff lower wages.

People who can’t make mortgage payments and car payments and college tuition payments don’t work without pay indefinitely. He’s got another week, maybe 2, before CPB, air trafffic control, TSA, etc. start quitting.

+1 - How long can these workers go without pay? They can get a decent job in the private sector at this point.

Yup. These workers are paying for daycare and housing while they continue to work every day for no pay. Trump is running the Government as poorly as he ran his businesses.