Official Brett Kavanaugh Thread, Part 4

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It's about as believable that Ford wouldn't remember how she got home from the party or discuss it with her bff who was there as it is that Devil's Triangle referred to a drinking game or Renante Alumni were young men who were showing their respect towards a female friend.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the Mitchell memo. No one is asking for charges to be brought. No one is contending that she met the reasonable doubt standard.

The report just makes me more sympathetic to Ford. She is being criticized and torn apart and now a prosecutor has torn through and prepared a report for nothing. And there is no report on Kavanaugh. And we all saw his performance and know where the inconsistencies are. Not to mention his conduct.

How bizarre.

She's not being torn apart for nothing. She makes some claims that stretch all plausibility.

Words have meaning, bub.

How many dozen women ON THIS SITE have said that something very similar to what Dr Ford describes happened to them? So it doesn’t stretch all plausibility in the slightest. You’re just determined not to believe her.

It stretches plausibility that she ran out of the house, somehow got home seven miles away, but conveniently doesn't remember how she got home. It stretches plausibility that she didn't have a conversation with her lifelong best friend who was supposedly at the party with her as to why she suddenly left early and how she managed to get home.

Consider yourself lucky that is it stretches credulity for you. Know what that tells me? It has never happened to you. The other 1/4 of us know and understand exactly. Listen when people talk to you.

So no one remembers driving a girl who would have been extremely upset and shaken, seven miles back to her house? Christine and her BFF didn't discuss why she suddenly left the party or how she got home? How is it plausible that her friend didn't ask her how she got home when she couldn't drive, and she would have had to find another way home than how she would presumably have gotten there?

A 15 yr old was extremely upset and shaken or moody and withdrawn.... stop the presses!

Yeah. This is another one of those stupid talking points that Kavanaugh defenders repeat ad nauseum.

Ford was probably just quiet in the car. Whoever was driving, which maybe was whoever drove her there or whoever she would have gotten a ride from absent an assault, was probably listening to music, chatting about nonsense, and, frankly, tipsy.

Why would someone remember their transportation to or from a high school event? I went to a lot of memorable events over time for which I couldn't begin to tell you how I got there or how I got home.

Perhaps so, but Ford can't even give a name as to who drove her home so as this person could be asked. Ford can't even say that anyone drove her home.

"Can't even" say? Why in the world would she remember that random detail? You are acting like it's a big deal for leaving her house. Getting a ride home was something she did all the time; it was not the memorable part of the evening.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the Mitchell memo. No one is asking for charges to be brought. No one is contending that she met the reasonable doubt standard.

The report just makes me more sympathetic to Ford. She is being criticized and torn apart and now a prosecutor has torn through and prepared a report for nothing. And there is no report on Kavanaugh. And we all saw his performance and know where the inconsistencies are. Not to mention his conduct.

How bizarre.

She's not being torn apart for nothing. She makes some claims that stretch all plausibility.

Words have meaning, bub.

How many dozen women ON THIS SITE have said that something very similar to what Dr Ford describes happened to them? So it doesn’t stretch all plausibility in the slightest. You’re just determined not to believe her.

It stretches plausibility that she ran out of the house, somehow got home seven miles away, but conveniently doesn't remember how she got home. It stretches plausibility that she didn't have a conversation with her lifelong best friend who was supposedly at the party with her as to why she suddenly left early and how she managed to get home.

When something similar happened to me, I don't remember how I got home. I remember the boys kicking me out of the car, and then I remember walking into the kitchen at home and trying to act natural in front of my mom.

I am sorry that happened to you.

I was in 4th or 5th grade and not remembering exactly when it happened or what happened before or after does not mean it did not happen.

She would have had to have someone drive her the seven miles home. There were no cell phones. It wasn't anyone at the gathering with her because she says she ran out of the house without telling anyone. She would have had to put considerable effort into finding someone to give her a ride home. This person would be a key witness since he or she would be able to attest to her demeanor at the time. But conveniently, Christine Ford says she doesn't know how she got home from the party?

How much of the day should she have kept a memory of? There were several minutes of trauma for her that day, and that is largely what she remembers, as would be expected.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought the Republicans were big on impeachment for lying under oath. Which they should be. Well, Kavanaugh lied under oath. So, where is the outrage?

Kavanaugh only lied about his high school yearbook. Clinton lied about a blowjob.

See the difference?

(me neither, that was sarcasm)

Ridiculous. How do YOU know he lied about his yearbook. (you don’t)

But, we DO know that Clinton lied about a BJ.

And BK lied about threesomes.

And the fact that "seniors were legal"
And about stolen Democratic emails
And that he didn't watch Ford's testimony
And about Renate, boofing, his propensity to drink until blackout drunk, etc
And (likely) about knowing anyone at Kasowitz...

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the Mitchell memo. No one is asking for charges to be brought. No one is contending that she met the reasonable doubt standard.

The report just makes me more sympathetic to Ford. She is being criticized and torn apart and now a prosecutor has torn through and prepared a report for nothing. And there is no report on Kavanaugh. And we all saw his performance and know where the inconsistencies are. Not to mention his conduct.

How bizarre.

She's not being torn apart for nothing. She makes some claims that stretch all plausibility.

Words have meaning, bub.

How many dozen women ON THIS SITE have said that something very similar to what Dr Ford describes happened to them? So it doesn’t stretch all plausibility in the slightest. You’re just determined not to believe her.

It stretches plausibility that she ran out of the house, somehow got home seven miles away, but conveniently doesn't remember how she got home. It stretches plausibility that she didn't have a conversation with her lifelong best friend who was supposedly at the party with her as to why she suddenly left early and how she managed to get home.

Consider yourself lucky that is it stretches credulity for you. Know what that tells me? It has never happened to you. The other 1/4 of us know and understand exactly. Listen when people talk to you.

So no one remembers driving a girl who would have been extremely upset and shaken, seven miles back to her house? Christine and her BFF didn't discuss why she suddenly left the party or how she got home? How is it plausible that her friend didn't ask her how she got home when she couldn't drive, and she would have had to find another way home than how she would presumably have gotten there?

A 15 yr old was extremely upset and shaken or moody and withdrawn.... stop the presses!

Yeah. This is another one of those stupid talking points that Kavanaugh defenders repeat ad nauseum.

Ford was probably just quiet in the car. Whoever was driving, which maybe was whoever drove her there or whoever she would have gotten a ride from absent an assault, was probably listening to music, chatting about nonsense, and, frankly, tipsy.

Why would someone remember their transportation to or from a high school event? I went to a lot of memorable events over time for which I couldn't begin to tell you how I got there or how I got home.

Perhaps so, but Ford can't even give a name as to who drove her home so as this person could be asked. Ford can't even say that anyone drove her home.

YEP Doesn't remember, but won't lie. Unlike Kavanaugh who may or may not remember, but will lie.

Actually, I think she wasn't prepared for the question and didn't have a good response to give so just claimed she couldn't remember.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the Mitchell memo. No one is asking for charges to be brought. No one is contending that she met the reasonable doubt standard.

The report just makes me more sympathetic to Ford. She is being criticized and torn apart and now a prosecutor has torn through and prepared a report for nothing. And there is no report on Kavanaugh. And we all saw his performance and know where the inconsistencies are. Not to mention his conduct.

How bizarre.

She's not being torn apart for nothing. She makes some claims that stretch all plausibility.

Words have meaning, bub.

How many dozen women ON THIS SITE have said that something very similar to what Dr Ford describes happened to them? So it doesn’t stretch all plausibility in the slightest. You’re just determined not to believe her.

It stretches plausibility that she ran out of the house, somehow got home seven miles away, but conveniently doesn't remember how she got home. It stretches plausibility that she didn't have a conversation with her lifelong best friend who was supposedly at the party with her as to why she suddenly left early and how she managed to get home.

When something similar happened to me, I don't remember how I got home. I remember the boys kicking me out of the car, and then I remember walking into the kitchen at home and trying to act natural in front of my mom.

I am sorry that happened to you.

I was in 4th or 5th grade and not remembering exactly when it happened or what happened before or after does not mean it did not happen.

She would have had to have someone drive her the seven miles home. There were no cell phones. It wasn't anyone at the gathering with her because she says she ran out of the house without telling anyone. She would have had to put considerable effort into finding someone to give her a ride home. This person would be a key witness since he or she would be able to attest to her demeanor at the time. But conveniently, Christine Ford says she doesn't know how she got home from the party?

How much of the day should she have kept a memory of? There were several minutes of trauma for her that day, and that is largely what she remembers, as would be expected.

The person who drove her home would be a very key witness. And why didn't she discuss it with her friend the next day. No one has answered that.

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Anonymous wrote:It's about as believable that Ford wouldn't remember how she got home from the party or discuss it with her bff who was there as it is that Devil's Triangle referred to a drinking game or Renante Alumni were young men who were showing their respect towards a female friend.

Wrong. Just because *you* have not been in her shoes and *may* not react the same way, does not mean that her reaction was in any way inconceivable.

Many, many women on this thread (myself included) have been assaulted, and reacted *exactly the same way* she did.

I have been assaulted 3x. I remember exactly who did it, and the details of all the encounters (apart from a portion of one in which I was drugged), but details of where, when, what happened before and after, etc. are all lost to time.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/10/01/another-trump-cover-up-former-fbi-agents-question-limits-on-probe-of-kavanaugh/?utm_term=.98c6ce25a7c5

Another Trump coverup? Former FBI agents question limits on probe of Kavanaugh.

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O’kavanaugh finds himself exactly in the position he has sought to avoid from the get-go. Things are clearly not working according to plan , once the feds go fishing there’s no telling what they might come up with . The orange fattie is unsurprisingly taking his distance already claiming the FBI can investigate and go where there facts lead them .


Murkowski and Collins simply need to decide if they want a future in the senate or not , voting NO will buy them some time and voting YES all but assures their brutal exit from the senate . Neither Maine nor Alaska is Mississippi or Kentucky .

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Anonymous wrote:It's about as believable that Ford wouldn't remember how she got home from the party or discuss it with her bff who was there as it is that Devil's Triangle referred to a drinking game or Renante Alumni were young men who were showing their respect towards a female friend.

Wrong. Just because *you* have not been in her shoes and *may* not react the same way, does not mean that her reaction was in any way inconceivable.

Many, many women on this thread (myself included) have been assaulted, and reacted *exactly the same way* she did.

I have been assaulted 3x. I remember exactly who did it, and the details of all the encounters (apart from a portion of one in which I was drugged), but details of where, when, what happened before and after, etc. are all lost to time.

So your hanging out with your BFF and four other people at someone's house. BFF leaves early without telling anyone, she's too young to drive herself home, and presumably the person who drove her there is still hanging out at the house with you. When you see her the next day you wouldn't ask "Hey Christine, what happened to you last night? Why'd you leave? How did you get home? Keep in mind this is before cell phones and she lived seven miles away, not three blocks.

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If you were almost raped/feared for your life, wouldn't you grab your girlfriend on your way out of the house especially since she would have been the ONLY girl remaining?

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1. With this GOP running FBI, we won't get any closer to the truth re the Ford incident.
2. #1 doesn't matter vizaviz nomination, bc hes already non-confirmable, bc clearly has lied many times.
3. #2 doesn't matter bc politicians don't understand why lying is a big problem bc politicians lie almost as much as they breathe, especially these days.

Got it? OK. Go enjoy the weather.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the Mitchell memo. No one is asking for charges to be brought. No one is contending that she met the reasonable doubt standard.

The report just makes me more sympathetic to Ford. She is being criticized and torn apart and now a prosecutor has torn through and prepared a report for nothing. And there is no report on Kavanaugh. And we all saw his performance and know where the inconsistencies are. Not to mention his conduct.

How bizarre.

She's not being torn apart for nothing. She makes some claims that stretch all plausibility.

Words have meaning, bub.

How many dozen women ON THIS SITE have said that something very similar to what Dr Ford describes happened to them? So it doesn’t stretch all plausibility in the slightest. You’re just determined not to believe her.

It stretches plausibility that she ran out of the house, somehow got home seven miles away, but conveniently doesn't remember how she got home. It stretches plausibility that she didn't have a conversation with her lifelong best friend who was supposedly at the party with her as to why she suddenly left early and how she managed to get home.

When something similar happened to me, I don't remember how I got home. I remember the boys kicking me out of the car, and then I remember walking into the kitchen at home and trying to act natural in front of my mom.

I am sorry that happened to you.

I was in 4th or 5th grade and not remembering exactly when it happened or what happened before or after does not mean it did not happen.

She would have had to have someone drive her the seven miles home. There were no cell phones. It wasn't anyone at the gathering with her because she says she ran out of the house without telling anyone. She would have had to put considerable effort into finding someone to give her a ride home. This person would be a key witness since he or she would be able to attest to her demeanor at the time. But conveniently, Christine Ford says she doesn't know how she got home from the party?

If she were in shock, she may not remember that part of the evening. I'm assuming you haven't spoken to anyone who's gone through a traumatic event, but this definitely is plausible.

Not really.

"Whether it's sexual assault victims or soldiers in combat or survivors of an earthquake, people who have experienced traumatic events tend to remember the most essential and frightening elements of the events in vivid detail for life, says McNally.

However, this doesn't mean that these memories include every detail of the event. The brain holds on to the most important stuff at the expense of the peripheral details."

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/09/28/652524372/how-trauma-affects-memory-scientists-weigh-in-on-the-kavanaugh-hearing

The details that Christine Ford has "forgotten" are critical to the investigation. And no one has explained why Christine Ford and her BFF who was supposedly at the gathering with her didn't discuss why she left early or how she got home?

Because to everyone else this was just another Thursday, like the one before it and the one after it. Let's say she runs off, her friend says, "Hey, where'd Christine go?" And Mark or Kav, who have returned to the gathering, say she felt sick or had to go meet her parents or some other excuse (because they're certainly not going to say, "She ran off because we held her down on a bed upstairs and tried to make the lies we tell about doing the Devils Triangle true").

Again, you just don't get it. Maybe she walks back to the club and calls someone for a ride. Maybe she walks to a pay phone somewhere. She wasn't bloody with a torn dress and bruises on her face. Even if she had been unusually quiet, or even crying, as 15 year olds often do, who would remember this so many years later? To everyone else, this was an unremarkable day. She didn't tell anyone when it happened, we know that. Neither did I. That does not mean that it did not happen.

And, despite her alleged assault, she leaves her friend there alone with 4 boys.
I’m not buying it.

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Anonymous wrote:If you were almost raped/feared for your life, wouldn't you grab your girlfriend on your way out of the house especially since she would have been the ONLY girl remaining?

Yup. This is what I don't get. If I had been almost raped, I would have screamed at my best friend that we need to get out if there. I wouldn't have just left her there so the boys could turn on her next.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the Mitchell memo. No one is asking for charges to be brought. No one is contending that she met the reasonable doubt standard.

The report just makes me more sympathetic to Ford. She is being criticized and torn apart and now a prosecutor has torn through and prepared a report for nothing. And there is no report on Kavanaugh. And we all saw his performance and know where the inconsistencies are. Not to mention his conduct.

How bizarre.

She's not being torn apart for nothing. She makes some claims that stretch all plausibility.

Words have meaning, bub.

How many dozen women ON THIS SITE have said that something very similar to what Dr Ford describes happened to them? So it doesn’t stretch all plausibility in the slightest. You’re just determined not to believe her.

It stretches plausibility that she ran out of the house, somehow got home seven miles away, but conveniently doesn't remember how she got home. It stretches plausibility that she didn't have a conversation with her lifelong best friend who was supposedly at the party with her as to why she suddenly left early and how she managed to get home.

When something similar happened to me, I don't remember how I got home. I remember the boys kicking me out of the car, and then I remember walking into the kitchen at home and trying to act natural in front of my mom.

I am sorry that happened to you.

I was in 4th or 5th grade and not remembering exactly when it happened or what happened before or after does not mean it did not happen.

She would have had to have someone drive her the seven miles home. There were no cell phones. It wasn't anyone at the gathering with her because she says she ran out of the house without telling anyone. She would have had to put considerable effort into finding someone to give her a ride home. This person would be a key witness since he or she would be able to attest to her demeanor at the time. But conveniently, Christine Ford says she doesn't know how she got home from the party?

How much of the day should she have kept a memory of? There were several minutes of trauma for her that day, and that is largely what she remembers, as would be expected.

The person who drove her home would be a very key witness. And why didn't she discuss it with her friend the next day. No one has answered that.

Some of my friends in HS were excellent liars (I wasn't and still am not). They could look normal to other friends or parents, no matter what just happened.

I thought Ford said she didn't tell her friends about the incident. I assume that means that she didn't discuss it with her friend the next day.