Official Brett Kavanaugh Thread, Part 4

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This fixation about her not remembering how she got home is nuts. It't totally reasonable that she doesn't remember. I had a similar experience in college (although actual rape occurred) and I don't recall how I got home.

Consider a more pleasant example. I still remember my first kiss. During a slow dance at a dance hosted by 4-H. I still remember the boy's name. We never dated after that. We were never boyfriend-girlfriend. It was just a magical kiss during a slow dance and a perfect first kiss. I don't remember which friends were with me at the dance or how I got home. I don't even remember how old I was or what grade I was in. I think 7th or 8th. You remember moments. Please, consider for yourself some important moment in your adolescence and see how many of the related details you recall.
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Anonymous wrote:I think I am done following these threads. They have totally dropped my productivity and I have no need to keep reading these crazy conservative conspiracy theories

There is no hope left for you people


I agree. I guess if they had no issue with supporting Trump, who has at least as many temperament/character issues as Kavanaugh, it's not much of a leap to support Lyin Brett for the Supreme Court.
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Anonymous wrote:I think I am done following these threads. They have totally dropped my productivity and I have no need to keep reading these crazy conservative conspiracy theories

There is no hope left for you people


I agree. I guess if they had no issue with supporting Trump, who has at least as many temperament/character issues as Kavanaugh, it's not much of a leap to support Lyin Brett for the Supreme Court.


Lying Bart.
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the Mitchell memo. No one is asking for charges to be brought. No one is contending that she met the reasonable doubt standard.

The report just makes me more sympathetic to Ford. She is being criticized and torn apart and now a prosecutor has torn through and prepared a report for nothing. And there is no report on Kavanaugh. And we all saw his performance and know where the inconsistencies are. Not to mention his conduct.

How bizarre.



She's not being torn apart for nothing. She makes some claims that stretch all plausibility.

Words have meaning, bub.

How many dozen women ON THIS SITE have said that something very similar to what Dr Ford describes happened to them? So it doesn’t stretch all plausibility in the slightest. You’re just determined not to believe her.


It stretches plausibility that she ran out of the house, somehow got home seven miles away, but conveniently doesn't remember how she got home. It stretches plausibility that she didn't have a conversation with her lifelong best friend who was supposedly at the party with her as to why she suddenly left early and how she managed to get home.


Consider yourself lucky that is it stretches credulity for you. Know what that tells me? It has never happened to you. The other 1/4 of us know and understand exactly. Listen when people talk to you.



So no one remembers driving a girl who would have been extremely upset and shaken, seven miles back to her house? Christine and her BFF didn't discuss why she suddenly left the party or how she got home? How is it plausible that her friend didn't ask her how she got home when she couldn't drive, and she would have had to find another way home than how she would presumably have gotten there?


A 15 yr old was extremely upset and shaken or moody and withdrawn.... stop the presses!

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the Mitchell memo. No one is asking for charges to be brought. No one is contending that she met the reasonable doubt standard.

The report just makes me more sympathetic to Ford. She is being criticized and torn apart and now a prosecutor has torn through and prepared a report for nothing. And there is no report on Kavanaugh. And we all saw his performance and know where the inconsistencies are. Not to mention his conduct.

How bizarre.



She's not being torn apart for nothing. She makes some claims that stretch all plausibility.

Words have meaning, bub.

How many dozen women ON THIS SITE have said that something very similar to what Dr Ford describes happened to them? So it doesn’t stretch all plausibility in the slightest. You’re just determined not to believe her.


It stretches plausibility that she ran out of the house, somehow got home seven miles away, but conveniently doesn't remember how she got home. It stretches plausibility that she didn't have a conversation with her lifelong best friend who was supposedly at the party with her as to why she suddenly left early and how she managed to get home.


When something similar happened to me, I don't remember how I got home. I remember the boys kicking me out of the car, and then I remember walking into the kitchen at home and trying to act natural in front of my mom.


Why didn’t you tell your mother? You were forced into a car by boys and sexually assaulted and didn’t think your
mother should know? If raped, how wound you have explained a oregnancy?


This is beside the point I was trying to make--that is, that memory is not a frame by frame photographic/video record of every moment of a traumatic/stressful event.

That said, my experience wasn't as traumatic as Dr. Blasey's alleged experience, but suffice it to say I was in an uncomfortable situation involving two older boys who I thought might try to force me to have sex with them. I was only briefly pushed down. They decided to kick me out of the car on the way home since I didn't have sex with them.

I would have never ever told my parents about this or any other incidents--they are very religious and socially conservative (no sex before marriage, etc.). They would have freaked. To this day I don't think I've told anyone about that incident besides my husband. I definitely told no one else at the time.
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the Mitchell memo. No one is asking for charges to be brought. No one is contending that she met the reasonable doubt standard.

The report just makes me more sympathetic to Ford. She is being criticized and torn apart and now a prosecutor has torn through and prepared a report for nothing. And there is no report on Kavanaugh. And we all saw his performance and know where the inconsistencies are. Not to mention his conduct.

How bizarre.



She's not being torn apart for nothing. She makes some claims that stretch all plausibility.

Words have meaning, bub.

How many dozen women ON THIS SITE have said that something very similar to what Dr Ford describes happened to them? So it doesn’t stretch all plausibility in the slightest. You’re just determined not to believe her.


It stretches plausibility that she ran out of the house, somehow got home seven miles away, but conveniently doesn't remember how she got home. It stretches plausibility that she didn't have a conversation with her lifelong best friend who was supposedly at the party with her as to why she suddenly left early and how she managed to get home.


When something similar happened to me, I don't remember how I got home. I remember the boys kicking me out of the car, and then I remember walking into the kitchen at home and trying to act natural in front of my mom.


Why didn’t you tell your mother? You were forced into a car by boys and sexually assaulted and didn’t think your
mother should know? If raped, how wound you have explained a oregnancy?


Do you remember the 80s? The 90s?


+1

PP certainly wasn't a teen girl in the 80s.
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the Mitchell memo. No one is asking for charges to be brought. No one is contending that she met the reasonable doubt standard.

The report just makes me more sympathetic to Ford. She is being criticized and torn apart and now a prosecutor has torn through and prepared a report for nothing. And there is no report on Kavanaugh. And we all saw his performance and know where the inconsistencies are. Not to mention his conduct.

How bizarre.



She's not being torn apart for nothing. She makes some claims that stretch all plausibility.

Words have meaning, bub.

How many dozen women ON THIS SITE have said that something very similar to what Dr Ford describes happened to them? So it doesn’t stretch all plausibility in the slightest. You’re just determined not to believe her.


It stretches plausibility that she ran out of the house, somehow got home seven miles away, but conveniently doesn't remember how she got home. It stretches plausibility that she didn't have a conversation with her lifelong best friend who was supposedly at the party with her as to why she suddenly left early and how she managed to get home.


When something similar happened to me, I don't remember how I got home. I remember the boys kicking me out of the car, and then I remember walking into the kitchen at home and trying to act natural in front of my mom.


I am sorry that happened to you.

I was in 4th or 5th grade and not remembering exactly when it happened or what happened before or after does not mean it did not happen.



She would have had to have someone drive her the seven miles home. There were no cell phones. It wasn't anyone at the gathering with her because she says she ran out of the house without telling anyone. She would have had to put considerable effort into finding someone to give her a ride home. This person would be a key witness since he or she would be able to attest to her demeanor at the time. But conveniently, Christine Ford says she doesn't know how she got home from the party?


If she were in shock, she may not remember that part of the evening. I'm assuming you haven't spoken to anyone who's gone through a traumatic event, but this definitely is plausible.



Not really.


"Whether it's sexual assault victims or soldiers in combat or survivors of an earthquake, people who have experienced traumatic events tend to remember the most essential and frightening elements of the events in vivid detail for life, says McNally.

However, this doesn't mean that these memories include every detail of the event. The brain holds on to the most important stuff at the expense of the peripheral details."

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/09/28/652524372/how-trauma-affects-memory-scientists-weigh-in-on-the-kavanaugh-hearing



The details that Christine Ford has "forgotten" are critical to the investigation. And no one has explained why Christine Ford and her BFF who was supposedly at the gathering with her didn't discuss why she left early or how she got home?
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the Mitchell memo. No one is asking for charges to be brought. No one is contending that she met the reasonable doubt standard.

The report just makes me more sympathetic to Ford. She is being criticized and torn apart and now a prosecutor has torn through and prepared a report for nothing. And there is no report on Kavanaugh. And we all saw his performance and know where the inconsistencies are. Not to mention his conduct.

How bizarre.



She's not being torn apart for nothing. She makes some claims that stretch all plausibility.

Words have meaning, bub.

How many dozen women ON THIS SITE have said that something very similar to what Dr Ford describes happened to them? So it doesn’t stretch all plausibility in the slightest. You’re just determined not to believe her.


It stretches plausibility that she ran out of the house, somehow got home seven miles away, but conveniently doesn't remember how she got home. It stretches plausibility that she didn't have a conversation with her lifelong best friend who was supposedly at the party with her as to why she suddenly left early and how she managed to get home.


Consider yourself lucky that is it stretches credulity for you. Know what that tells me? It has never happened to you. The other 1/4 of us know and understand exactly. Listen when people talk to you.



So no one remembers driving a girl who would have been extremely upset and shaken, seven miles back to her house? Christine and her BFF didn't discuss why she suddenly left the party or how she got home? How is it plausible that her friend didn't ask her how she got home when she couldn't drive, and she would have had to find another way home than how she would presumably have gotten there?


A 15 yr old was extremely upset and shaken or moody and withdrawn.... stop the presses!



Yeah. This is another one of those stupid talking points that Kavanaugh defenders repeat ad nauseum.

Ford was probably just quiet in the car. Whoever was driving, which maybe was whoever drove her there or whoever she would have gotten a ride from absent an assault, was probably listening to music, chatting about nonsense, and, frankly, tipsy.

Why would someone remember their transportation to or from a high school event? I went to a lot of memorable events over time for which I couldn't begin to tell you how I got there or how I got home.
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Anonymous wrote:This fixation about her not remembering how she got home is nuts. It't totally reasonable that she doesn't remember. I had a similar experience in college (although actual rape occurred) and I don't recall how I got home.

Consider a more pleasant example. I still remember my first kiss. During a slow dance at a dance hosted by 4-H. I still remember the boy's name. We never dated after that. We were never boyfriend-girlfriend. It was just a magical kiss during a slow dance and a perfect first kiss. I don't remember which friends were with me at the dance or how I got home. I don't even remember how old I was or what grade I was in. I think 7th or 8th. You remember moments. Please, consider for yourself some important moment in your adolescence and see how many of the related details you recall.



It's not nuts. Read the memo. Ford is saying that the gathering was about seven miles from her house (although she doesn't know whose house it was). She remembers running out of the house without telling anyone, although when questioned she claims she doesn't remember how she got home. Think about it, in the era before cell phones and you're too young to drive, you run out of a house and need to get back home seven miles away. It would have taken considerable effort for her to get a ride back. It's incredibly hard to believe that she would have no memory of it whatsoever. Also she claims that she didn't discuss with her lifelong friend Leland who was supposedly at the house with her, why she left or how she got home. So these two besties are hanging at a house with only 6 people, her friend leaves without telling anyone and somehow manages to find a ride back, but yet they didn't discuss this?
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the Mitchell memo. No one is asking for charges to be brought. No one is contending that she met the reasonable doubt standard.

The report just makes me more sympathetic to Ford. She is being criticized and torn apart and now a prosecutor has torn through and prepared a report for nothing. And there is no report on Kavanaugh. And we all saw his performance and know where the inconsistencies are. Not to mention his conduct.

How bizarre.



She's not being torn apart for nothing. She makes some claims that stretch all plausibility.

Words have meaning, bub.

How many dozen women ON THIS SITE have said that something very similar to what Dr Ford describes happened to them? So it doesn’t stretch all plausibility in the slightest. You’re just determined not to believe her.


It stretches plausibility that she ran out of the house, somehow got home seven miles away, but conveniently doesn't remember how she got home. It stretches plausibility that she didn't have a conversation with her lifelong best friend who was supposedly at the party with her as to why she suddenly left early and how she managed to get home.


When something similar happened to me, I don't remember how I got home. I remember the boys kicking me out of the car, and then I remember walking into the kitchen at home and trying to act natural in front of my mom.


I am sorry that happened to you.

I was in 4th or 5th grade and not remembering exactly when it happened or what happened before or after does not mean it did not happen.



She would have had to have someone drive her the seven miles home. There were no cell phones. It wasn't anyone at the gathering with her because she says she ran out of the house without telling anyone. She would have had to put considerable effort into finding someone to give her a ride home. This person would be a key witness since he or she would be able to attest to her demeanor at the time. But conveniently, Christine Ford says she doesn't know how she got home from the party?


If she were in shock, she may not remember that part of the evening. I'm assuming you haven't spoken to anyone who's gone through a traumatic event, but this definitely is plausible.



Not really.


"Whether it's sexual assault victims or soldiers in combat or survivors of an earthquake, people who have experienced traumatic events tend to remember the most essential and frightening elements of the events in vivid detail for life, says McNally.

However, this doesn't mean that these memories include every detail of the event. The brain holds on to the most important stuff at the expense of the peripheral details."

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/09/28/652524372/how-trauma-affects-memory-scientists-weigh-in-on-the-kavanaugh-hearing



The details that Christine Ford has "forgotten" are critical to the investigation. And no one has explained why Christine Ford and her BFF who was supposedly at the gathering with her didn't discuss why she left early or how she got home?


You are clearly no psychology expert. In a traumatic event, the brain is absorbed in some details (like the face or voice) and is oblivious to irrelevant stuff. This is well-established, and your trying to insist otherwise does not make it so.
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the Mitchell memo. No one is asking for charges to be brought. No one is contending that she met the reasonable doubt standard.

The report just makes me more sympathetic to Ford. She is being criticized and torn apart and now a prosecutor has torn through and prepared a report for nothing. And there is no report on Kavanaugh. And we all saw his performance and know where the inconsistencies are. Not to mention his conduct.

How bizarre.



She's not being torn apart for nothing. She makes some claims that stretch all plausibility.

Words have meaning, bub.

How many dozen women ON THIS SITE have said that something very similar to what Dr Ford describes happened to them? So it doesn’t stretch all plausibility in the slightest. You’re just determined not to believe her.


It stretches plausibility that she ran out of the house, somehow got home seven miles away, but conveniently doesn't remember how she got home. It stretches plausibility that she didn't have a conversation with her lifelong best friend who was supposedly at the party with her as to why she suddenly left early and how she managed to get home.


When something similar happened to me, I don't remember how I got home. I remember the boys kicking me out of the car, and then I remember walking into the kitchen at home and trying to act natural in front of my mom.


I am sorry that happened to you.

I was in 4th or 5th grade and not remembering exactly when it happened or what happened before or after does not mean it did not happen.



She would have had to have someone drive her the seven miles home. There were no cell phones. It wasn't anyone at the gathering with her because she says she ran out of the house without telling anyone. She would have had to put considerable effort into finding someone to give her a ride home. This person would be a key witness since he or she would be able to attest to her demeanor at the time. But conveniently, Christine Ford says she doesn't know how she got home from the party?


If she were in shock, she may not remember that part of the evening. I'm assuming you haven't spoken to anyone who's gone through a traumatic event, but this definitely is plausible.



Not really.


"Whether it's sexual assault victims or soldiers in combat or survivors of an earthquake, people who have experienced traumatic events tend to remember the most essential and frightening elements of the events in vivid detail for life, says McNally.

However, this doesn't mean that these memories include every detail of the event. The brain holds on to the most important stuff at the expense of the peripheral details."

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/09/28/652524372/how-trauma-affects-memory-scientists-weigh-in-on-the-kavanaugh-hearing



The details that Christine Ford has "forgotten" are critical to the investigation. And no one has explained why Christine Ford and her BFF who was supposedly at the gathering with her didn't discuss why she left early or how she got home?


Because to everyone else this was just another Thursday, like the one before it and the one after it. Let's say she runs off, her friend says, "Hey, where'd Christine go?" And Mark or Kav, who have returned to the gathering, say she felt sick or had to go meet her parents or some other excuse (because they're certainly not going to say, "She ran off because we held her down on a bed upstairs and tried to make the lies we tell about doing the Devils Triangle true").

Again, you just don't get it. Maybe she walks back to the club and calls someone for a ride. Maybe she walks to a pay phone somewhere. She wasn't bloody with a torn dress and bruises on her face. Even if she had been unusually quiet, or even crying, as 15 year olds often do, who would remember this so many years later? To everyone else, this was an unremarkable day. She didn't tell anyone when it happened, we know that. Neither did I. That does not mean that it did not happen.
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the Mitchell memo. No one is asking for charges to be brought. No one is contending that she met the reasonable doubt standard.

The report just makes me more sympathetic to Ford. She is being criticized and torn apart and now a prosecutor has torn through and prepared a report for nothing. And there is no report on Kavanaugh. And we all saw his performance and know where the inconsistencies are. Not to mention his conduct.

How bizarre.



She's not being torn apart for nothing. She makes some claims that stretch all plausibility.

Words have meaning, bub.

How many dozen women ON THIS SITE have said that something very similar to what Dr Ford describes happened to them? So it doesn’t stretch all plausibility in the slightest. You’re just determined not to believe her.


It stretches plausibility that she ran out of the house, somehow got home seven miles away, but conveniently doesn't remember how she got home. It stretches plausibility that she didn't have a conversation with her lifelong best friend who was supposedly at the party with her as to why she suddenly left early and how she managed to get home.


Consider yourself lucky that is it stretches credulity for you. Know what that tells me? It has never happened to you. The other 1/4 of us know and understand exactly. Listen when people talk to you.



So no one remembers driving a girl who would have been extremely upset and shaken, seven miles back to her house? Christine and her BFF didn't discuss why she suddenly left the party or how she got home? How is it plausible that her friend didn't ask her how she got home when she couldn't drive, and she would have had to find another way home than how she would presumably have gotten there?


A 15 yr old was extremely upset and shaken or moody and withdrawn.... stop the presses!



Yeah. This is another one of those stupid talking points that Kavanaugh defenders repeat ad nauseum.

Ford was probably just quiet in the car. Whoever was driving, which maybe was whoever drove her there or whoever she would have gotten a ride from absent an assault, was probably listening to music, chatting about nonsense, and, frankly, tipsy.

Why would someone remember their transportation to or from a high school event? I went to a lot of memorable events over time for which I couldn't begin to tell you how I got there or how I got home.



Perhaps so, but Ford can't even give a name as to who drove her home so as this person could be asked. Ford can't even say that anyone drove her home.
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What I remember most is being held down. That is what sticks with me. The feeling of helplessness. Like Kavanaugh, he was laughing. He thought it was hilarious.


We were not two kids playing doctor, but I bet he remembers it that way, if he remembers it at all.
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the Mitchell memo. No one is asking for charges to be brought. No one is contending that she met the reasonable doubt standard.

The report just makes me more sympathetic to Ford. She is being criticized and torn apart and now a prosecutor has torn through and prepared a report for nothing. And there is no report on Kavanaugh. And we all saw his performance and know where the inconsistencies are. Not to mention his conduct.

How bizarre.



She's not being torn apart for nothing. She makes some claims that stretch all plausibility.

Words have meaning, bub.

How many dozen women ON THIS SITE have said that something very similar to what Dr Ford describes happened to them? So it doesn’t stretch all plausibility in the slightest. You’re just determined not to believe her.


It stretches plausibility that she ran out of the house, somehow got home seven miles away, but conveniently doesn't remember how she got home. It stretches plausibility that she didn't have a conversation with her lifelong best friend who was supposedly at the party with her as to why she suddenly left early and how she managed to get home.


Consider yourself lucky that is it stretches credulity for you. Know what that tells me? It has never happened to you. The other 1/4 of us know and understand exactly. Listen when people talk to you.



So no one remembers driving a girl who would have been extremely upset and shaken, seven miles back to her house? Christine and her BFF didn't discuss why she suddenly left the party or how she got home? How is it plausible that her friend didn't ask her how she got home when she couldn't drive, and she would have had to find another way home than how she would presumably have gotten there?


A 15 yr old was extremely upset and shaken or moody and withdrawn.... stop the presses!



Yeah. This is another one of those stupid talking points that Kavanaugh defenders repeat ad nauseum.

Ford was probably just quiet in the car. Whoever was driving, which maybe was whoever drove her there or whoever she would have gotten a ride from absent an assault, was probably listening to music, chatting about nonsense, and, frankly, tipsy.

Why would someone remember their transportation to or from a high school event? I went to a lot of memorable events over time for which I couldn't begin to tell you how I got there or how I got home.



Perhaps so, but Ford can't even give a name as to who drove her home so as this person could be asked. Ford can't even say that anyone drove her home.


YEP Doesn't remember, but won't lie. Unlike Kavanaugh who may or may not remember, but will lie.
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