Update on Harvard Lawsuit

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Justice Karvanaugh CONFIRMED.

Although BK is very undesirable, hopefully he will abolish the affirmative action.

AA gravy train's coming to an end.

About time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not sure why all the hate on here trying to help those in need. If they don't have the score or stats, just give them a boost, just big enough to overcome the next competitive student.
Who doesn't like a little boost for hundreds and thousands of years of injustice?

The issue is not with setting aside seats for those TRULY affected by the injustice. It's about how it is exercised. The beneficiaries are now what I considered to be already emancipated - rich blacks, or those that were not at all affected - recent African immigrants. Others (Hispanics) do not deserve any set-aside. if they do, so should the Chinese, Japanese and Indians. in all three cases, you need to be able to identify descendants of the families actually affected (e.g. people descended from Chinese railroad gang workers). No one cares about taking care of the truly needy but instead fill a quota of some sort in the name of "holistic diversity".

Sure a private school can do what they want, as long as they give up their "non-profit" status (what a joke) and any federal funds/kickbacks they may get. A part of my money goes into those subsidies and I do not want to fund organizations that indulge in activities that go against my beliefs.

And get your facts straight. No one has suffered from "hundreds and thousands" of years of injustice. We haven't been around that long.

[Anonymous]

The main effect of all this will be the end of standardized testing!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure why all the hate on here trying to help those in need. If they don't have the score or stats, just give them a boost, just big enough to overcome the next competitive student.
Who doesn't like a little boost for hundreds and thousands of years of injustice?

The issue is not with setting aside seats for those TRULY affected by the injustice. It's about how it is exercised. The beneficiaries are now what I considered to be already emancipated - rich blacks, or those that were not at all affected - recent African immigrants. Others (Hispanics) do not deserve any set-aside. if they do, so should the Chinese, Japanese and Indians. in all three cases, you need to be able to identify descendants of the families actually affected (e.g. people descended from Chinese railroad gang workers). No one cares about taking care of the truly needy but instead fill a quota of some sort in the name of "holistic diversity".

Sure a private school can do what they want, as long as they give up their "non-profit" status (what a joke) and any federal funds/kickbacks they may get. A part of my money goes into those subsidies and I do not want to fund organizations that indulge in activities that go against my beliefs.

And get your facts straight. No one has suffered from "hundreds and thousands" of years of injustice. We haven't been around that long.

AA is a small price to pay for hundred years of slavery and injustice. No societal harm in preferential treatment for the greater good. The one who lost out in Harvard can go to Yale, or Princeton, or Stanford. The minority, on the other hand, with significantly lower stats, might be losing out in the once in a life lottery. We can use more diverse neurosurgeons and rocket scientists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure why all the hate on here trying to help those in need. If they don't have the score or stats, just give them a boost, just big enough to overcome the next competitive student.
Who doesn't like a little boost for hundreds and thousands of years of injustice?

The issue is not with setting aside seats for those TRULY affected by the injustice. It's about how it is exercised. The beneficiaries are now what I considered to be already emancipated - rich blacks, or those that were not at all affected - recent African immigrants. Others (Hispanics) do not deserve any set-aside. if they do, so should the Chinese, Japanese and Indians. in all three cases, you need to be able to identify descendants of the families actually affected (e.g. people descended from Chinese railroad gang workers). No one cares about taking care of the truly needy but instead fill a quota of some sort in the name of "holistic diversity".

Sure a private school can do what they want, as long as they give up their "non-profit" status (what a joke) and any federal funds/kickbacks they may get. A part of my money goes into those subsidies and I do not want to fund organizations that indulge in activities that go against my beliefs.

And get your facts straight. No one has suffered from "hundreds and thousands" of years of injustice. We haven't been around that long.

AA is a small price to pay for hundred years of slavery and injustice. No societal harm in preferential treatment for the greater good. The one who lost out in Harvard can go to Yale, or Princeton, or Stanford. The minority, on the other hand, with significantly lower stats, might be losing out in the once in a life lottery. We can use more diverse neurosurgeons and rocket scientists.

Completely agree, if it goes to the really deserving and not the pretenders. BTW, Harvard could also spend it's billions to start schools in under-represented areas (where the real poor/URMs live and not where those who are already emancipated live), bring in top notch teachers and teach them how to compete for admissions at top notch colleges without any "handicaps" during the admission process. In fact, all the richie rich colleges can pool their resources and do this instead of doling out seats to the pretenders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

AA is a small price to pay for hundred years of slavery and injustice. No societal harm in preferential treatment for the greater good. The one who lost out in Harvard can go to Yale, or Princeton, or Stanford. The minority, on the other hand, with significantly lower stats, might be losing out in the once in a life lottery. We can use more diverse neurosurgeons and rocket scientists.

Can't wait for that neurosurgeon with significantly lower stats to operate on you

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure why all the hate on here trying to help those in need. If they don't have the score or stats, just give them a boost, just big enough to overcome the next competitive student.
Who doesn't like a little boost for hundreds and thousands of years of injustice?

The issue is not with setting aside seats for those TRULY affected by the injustice. It's about how it is exercised. The beneficiaries are now what I considered to be already emancipated - rich blacks, or those that were not at all affected - recent African immigrants. Others (Hispanics) do not deserve any set-aside. if they do, so should the Chinese, Japanese and Indians. in all three cases, you need to be able to identify descendants of the families actually affected (e.g. people descended from Chinese railroad gang workers). No one cares about taking care of the truly needy but instead fill a quota of some sort in the name of "holistic diversity".

Sure a private school can do what they want, as long as they give up their "non-profit" status (what a joke) and any federal funds/kickbacks they may get. A part of my money goes into those subsidies and I do not want to fund organizations that indulge in activities that go against my beliefs.

And get your facts straight. No one has suffered from "hundreds and thousands" of years of injustice. We haven't been around that long.

AA is a small price to pay for hundred years of slavery and injustice. No societal harm in preferential treatment for the greater good. The one who lost out in Harvard can go to Yale, or Princeton, or Stanford. The minority, on the other hand, with significantly lower stats, might be losing out in the once in a life lottery. We can use more diverse neurosurgeons and rocket scientists.

Completely agree, if it goes to the really deserving and not the pretenders. BTW, Harvard could also spend it's billions to start schools in under-represented areas (where the real poor/URMs live and not where those who are already emancipated live), bring in top notch teachers and teach them how to compete for admissions at top notch colleges without any "handicaps" during the admission process. In fact, all the richie rich colleges can pool their resources and do this instead of doling out seats to the pretenders.

Harvard should start schools in under-represented areas from the get go, from pre-kindergarten. It shall be known as Harvard Experimental College, providing pre-K, kindergarten, elementary, middle, and high school education education comparable to top private boarding schools in the nation. It shall be for "under-represented areas (where the real poor/URMs live..." Those who are funneled through the fast track shall be provided with a guaranteed admission to Harvard. Further, it shall be funded by self-perpetuating and munificently funded Harvard endowment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

AA is a small price to pay for hundred years of slavery and injustice. No societal harm in preferential treatment for the greater good. The one who lost out in Harvard can go to Yale, or Princeton, or Stanford. The minority, on the other hand, with significantly lower stats, might be losing out in the once in a life lottery. We can use more diverse neurosurgeons and rocket scientists.

Can't wait for that neurosurgeon with significantly lower stats to operate on you

You have to think, greater good of the community. As one famous American president said, forgot who, "My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."
Imagine what an URM neurosurgeon, a rocket scientist, can do for the under-served communities. Imagine what an affirmative-action African-American president can do for the nation. Those who are young will be able to come up thinking we've always had black presidents in the U.S. history.

[Anonymous]

I've already have seen what an affirmative action black president has done for this country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The main effect of all this will be the end of standardized testing!

This.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The main effect of all this will be the end of standardized testing!

This.

Right, because objective assessments of intellect are a terrible thing. It's much better to assess applicants on skin color.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The main effect of all this will be the end of standardized testing!

This.

Right, because objective assessments of intellect are a terrible thing. It's much better to assess applicants on skin color.

standardized tests are not "objective assessments of intellect." They measure prepping (and the money to prep) and test taking skills. Not at all the same as intellect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The main effect of all this will be the end of standardized testing!

This.

Right, because objective assessments of intellect are a terrible thing. It's much better to assess applicants on skin color.

standardized tests are not "objective assessments of intellect." They measure prepping (and the money to prep) and test taking skills. Not at all the same as intellect.

Actually you’re dead wrong. Standardized tests are an excellent predictor of academic successs. And as much as you’d like to believe that prepping can dramatically move the needle, studies have show that it has minimal impact.

[Anonymous]

This country can benefit from more affirmative action lawyers, doctors, senators, presidents, neurosurgeons, rocket scientists... High stats aren't all that. You can have significantly lower stats - be a C student - and you, too, can become the president of the u.s. Diversity has its purpose - it's for the greater good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The main effect of all this will be the end of standardized testing!

This.

Right, because objective assessments of intellect are a terrible thing. It's much better to assess applicants on skin color.

or their ability to throw a pigskin 300 yards.