How Harvard discriminates against Asian Americans in college admissions

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Harvard wants to increase their URM students to a point! I agree that they are discriminating against Asians. However, I would argue that Harvard will not decrease the number of whites students below 50%. If that happens wealthy/elite whites will not want to attend and it will lose its status. I don't think that is fair, but that is the reality.

+1

Same as TJ. The few whites I know that were admitted, and also a couple Asians I know that were admitted -- don't want to attend TJ for this very reason. It is simply not a "diverse" experience any longer, when the majority is foreign or first generation Asian.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All I know is Harvard engages in "racuial balancing" and that is perfectly legal.

sorry, racial

As a Harvard Alum, I agree that having a balanced class is valuable in the learning and social experience. The kids who came in with only high GPA/SAT scores added absolutely nothing to the experience and environment. I've also talked to a number of my former Asian classmates and none of them support this lawsuit. I don't think they want to be further stereotyped by an influx of high GPA/SAT robots.

I really believe this lawsuit is only nominally brought in the name of Asians. The plaintiff is a white guy who wants to kill affirmative action; the same guy who lost in Fisher v. Univ. of Texas. Another loss will further damage Asians' chances of getting into the elites beyond their proportion in the applicant pool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard wants to increase their URM students to a point! I agree that they are discriminating against Asians. However, I would argue that Harvard will not decrease the number of whites students below 50%. If that happens wealthy/elite whites will not want to attend and it will lose its status. I don't think that is fair, but that is the reality.

+1

Same as TJ. The few whites I know that were admitted, and also a couple Asians I know that were admitted -- don't want to attend TJ for this very reason. It is simply not a "diverse" experience any longer, when the majority is foreign or first generation Asian.

Well too bad for them, they will miss out on the best STEM education around, and whites will be underrepresented at the forefronts of the technological revolution (as they're already beginning to be in Silicon Valley).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard wants to increase their URM students to a point! I agree that they are discriminating against Asians. However, I would argue that Harvard will not decrease the number of whites students below 50%. If that happens wealthy/elite whites will not want to attend and it will lose its status. I don't think that is fair, but that is the reality.

+1

Same as TJ. The few whites I know that were admitted, and also a couple Asians I know that were admitted -- don't want to attend TJ for this very reason. It is simply not a "diverse" experience any longer, when the majority is foreign or first generation Asian.

Well too bad for them, they will miss out on the best STEM education around, and whites will be underrepresented at the forefronts of the technological revolution (as they're already beginning to be in Silicon Valley).

PP here. Maybe. Maybe not. They don't want to be part of it, and TJ is missing out, truth be told.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All I know is Harvard engages in "racuial balancing" and that is perfectly legal.

Sure, they can "racuial balance" all they want, and return our federal tax dollars if they want to engage in discriminatory practices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard wants to increase their URM students to a point! I agree that they are discriminating against Asians. However, I would argue that Harvard will not decrease the number of whites students below 50%. If that happens wealthy/elite whites will not want to attend and it will lose its status. I don't think that is fair, but that is the reality.

+1

Same as TJ. The few whites I know that were admitted, and also a couple Asians I know that were admitted -- don't want to attend TJ for this very reason. It is simply not a "diverse" experience any longer, when the majority is foreign or first generation Asian.

Well too bad for them, they will miss out on the best STEM education around, and whites will be underrepresented at the forefronts of the technological revolution (as they're already beginning to be in Silicon Valley).

PP here. Maybe. Maybe not. They don't want to be part of it, and TJ is missing out, truth be told.

Ok great--we can have a class of white kids who just want to be lawyers and society will be much better off. And there's no evidence TJ is "missing out." It still rocks every academic award imaginable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All I know is Harvard engages in "racuial balancing" and that is perfectly legal.

Sure, they can "racuial balance" all they want, and return our federal tax dollars if they want to engage in discriminatory practices.

Ah ha. Then the feds, which I believe are investigating this (DOJ), can stop sending them federal money. I doubt they will, but that's very different from a constitutional violation which is what is being alleged in this lawsuit. Harvard's endowment is like 37 billion BTW.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard wants to increase their URM students to a point! I agree that they are discriminating against Asians. However, I would argue that Harvard will not decrease the number of whites students below 50%. If that happens wealthy/elite whites will not want to attend and it will lose its status. I don't think that is fair, but that is the reality.

+1

Same as TJ. The few whites I know that were admitted, and also a couple Asians I know that were admitted -- don't want to attend TJ for this very reason. It is simply not a "diverse" experience any longer, when the majority is foreign or first generation Asian.

Well too bad for them, they will miss out on the best STEM education around, and whites will be underrepresented at the forefronts of the technological revolution (as they're already beginning to be in Silicon Valley).

PP here. Maybe. Maybe not. They don't want to be part of it, and TJ is missing out, truth be told.

Ok great--we can have a class of white kids who just want to be lawyers and society will be much better off. And there's no evidence TJ is "missing out." It still rocks every academic award imaginable.

Has it produced a Zuckerberg or Gates? Just asking. They went to Harvard BTW.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard wants to increase their URM students to a point! I agree that they are discriminating against Asians. However, I would argue that Harvard will not decrease the number of whites students below 50%. If that happens wealthy/elite whites will not want to attend and it will lose its status. I don't think that is fair, but that is the reality.

+1

Same as TJ. The few whites I know that were admitted, and also a couple Asians I know that were admitted -- don't want to attend TJ for this very reason. It is simply not a "diverse" experience any longer, when the majority is foreign or first generation Asian.

Well too bad for them, they will miss out on the best STEM education around, and whites will be underrepresented at the forefronts of the technological revolution (as they're already beginning to be in Silicon Valley).

PP here. Maybe. Maybe not. They don't want to be part of it, and TJ is missing out, truth be told.

Ok great--we can have a class of white kids who just want to be lawyers and society will be much better off. And there's no evidence TJ is "missing out." It still rocks every academic award imaginable.

Has it produced a Zuckerberg or Gates? Just asking. They went to Harvard BTW.

They both dropped out of Harvard because they didn't find it useful BTW. Ask them if they could run Microsoft or Facebook without their Asian staff.

[Anonymous]

All this “casual racism” on this thread makes me sick to my stomach Asian kids aren’t robots—that’s just a narrative that other ethnic groups have devised to make themselves feel better when their kids are outperformed (as someone pointed out upthread, people used those same type of derogatory comments when talking about Jews at Harvard 50 years ago.)
I hope that all of you parents spewing bile about Asians on this thread read this story about Peter Wang who at the age of 15 was killed trying to help classmates escape from the Parkland massacre gunman at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. At age 15 he had more character than any of you on this thread ever will.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/west-point-military-academy-admits-parkland-student-peter-wang-who-n849721

When the shooting started at the high school in Parkland, the Brooklyn NY born cadet yanked open a door that allowed dozens of classmates, teachers and staffers to escape, officials said. But as he stood at his post in his JROTC uniform and held the door open, Wang was shot and killed — one of the 17 students and staffers who died in the school that day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard wants to increase their URM students to a point! I agree that they are discriminating against Asians. However, I would argue that Harvard will not decrease the number of whites students below 50%. If that happens wealthy/elite whites will not want to attend and it will lose its status. I don't think that is fair, but that is the reality.

+1

Same as TJ. The few whites I know that were admitted, and also a couple Asians I know that were admitted -- don't want to attend TJ for this very reason. It is simply not a "diverse" experience any longer, when the majority is foreign or first generation Asian.

Well too bad for them, they will miss out on the best STEM education around, and whites will be underrepresented at the forefronts of the technological revolution (as they're already beginning to be in Silicon Valley).

They won’t miss out. There is plenty of time and opportunity to develop a STEM career in undergrad, grad, and beyond. Talented kids will catch up and surpass kids who only got to TJ because their parents forced them into cram schools as middle schoolers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard wants to increase their URM students to a point! I agree that they are discriminating against Asians. However, I would argue that Harvard will not decrease the number of whites students below 50%. If that happens wealthy/elite whites will not want to attend and it will lose its status. I don't think that is fair, but that is the reality.

+1

Same as TJ. The few whites I know that were admitted, and also a couple Asians I know that were admitted -- don't want to attend TJ for this very reason. It is simply not a "diverse" experience any longer, when the majority is foreign or first generation Asian.

Well too bad for them, they will miss out on the best STEM education around, and whites will be underrepresented at the forefronts of the technological revolution (as they're already beginning to be in Silicon Valley).

PP here. Maybe. Maybe not. They don't want to be part of it, and TJ is missing out, truth be told.

Ok great--we can have a class of white kids who just want to be lawyers and society will be much better off. And there's no evidence TJ is "missing out." It still rocks every academic award imaginable.

So what are the TJ grads doing? I'll bet plenty of them are lawyers and dentists and so forth

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard wants to increase their URM students to a point! I agree that they are discriminating against Asians. However, I would argue that Harvard will not decrease the number of whites students below 50%. If that happens wealthy/elite whites will not want to attend and it will lose its status. I don't think that is fair, but that is the reality.

They are already below 50%. The last two classes have been majority-minority. You can look this up; indeed Harvard brags about it.
You really could argue that the Asians are proportionally represented, blacks and Hispanics slightly over-represented, and whites are under-represented. Really it's the whites who have a case here based on disparate impact.

OP here. Yes, I just looked it up and it is 44%. I still stand by my overall point that their ultimate diversity goal is to keep whites as the majority of any racial group.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All this “casual racism” on this thread makes me sick to my stomach Asian kids aren’t robots—that’s just a narrative that other ethnic groups have devised to make themselves feel better when their kids are outperformed (as someone pointed out upthread, people used those same type of derogatory comments when talking about Jews at Harvard 50 years ago.)
I hope that all of you parents spewing bile about Asians on this thread read this story about Peter Wang who at the age of 15 was killed trying to help classmates escape from the Parkland massacre gunman at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. At age 15 he had more character than any of you on this thread ever will.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/west-point-military-academy-admits-parkland-student-peter-wang-who-n849721

When the shooting started at the high school in Parkland, the Brooklyn NY born cadet yanked open a door that allowed dozens of classmates, teachers and staffers to escape, officials said. But as he stood at his post in his JROTC uniform and held the door open, Wang was shot and killed — one of the 17 students and staffers who died in the school that day.

+1 All you people calling Asians robots should be ashamed of yourself. Think back to the racist insults that are hurled at whatever ethnicity you are and try to have some compassion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard wants to increase their URM students to a point! I agree that they are discriminating against Asians. However, I would argue that Harvard will not decrease the number of whites students below 50%. If that happens wealthy/elite whites will not want to attend and it will lose its status. I don't think that is fair, but that is the reality.

+1

Same as TJ. The few whites I know that were admitted, and also a couple Asians I know that were admitted -- don't want to attend TJ for this very reason. It is simply not a "diverse" experience any longer, when the majority is foreign or first generation Asian.

Well too bad for them, they will miss out on the best STEM education around, and whites will be underrepresented at the forefronts of the technological revolution (as they're already beginning to be in Silicon Valley).

PP here. Maybe. Maybe not. They don't want to be part of it, and TJ is missing out, truth be told.

Ok great--we can have a class of white kids who just want to be lawyers and society will be much better off. And there's no evidence TJ is "missing out." It still rocks every academic award imaginable.

Nor is there evidence that TJ is not missing out. Nor is there evidence that any of the highest ranking students who passed on TJ are going to be lawyers. Your statement is extremely flawed, in each regard. TJ can have their "ideal" - but TJ is not the real world, nor is it every highly intelligent and highly capable person's ideal. Some highly intelligent people also have enough common sense to know this. But if TJ is your very tiny world, then you do you.