How Harvard discriminates against Asian Americans in college admissions

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard wants to increase their URM students to a point! I agree that they are discriminating against Asians. However, I would argue that Harvard will not decrease the number of whites students below 50%. If that happens wealthy/elite whites will not want to attend and it will lose its status. I don't think that is fair, but that is the reality.

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Same as TJ. The few whites I know that were admitted, and also a couple Asians I know that were admitted -- don't want to attend TJ for this very reason. It is simply not a "diverse" experience any longer, when the majority is foreign or first generation Asian.

Well too bad for them, they will miss out on the best STEM education around, and whites will be underrepresented at the forefronts of the technological revolution (as they're already beginning to be in Silicon Valley).

PP here. Maybe. Maybe not. They don't want to be part of it, and TJ is missing out, truth be told.

Ok great--we can have a class of white kids who just want to be lawyers and society will be much better off. And there's no evidence TJ is "missing out." It still rocks every academic award imaginable.

So what are the TJ grads doing? I'll bet plenty of them are lawyers and dentists and so forth

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Don't even entertain this fool PP.

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Anonymous wrote:All I know is Harvard engages in "racuial balancing" and that is perfectly legal.

sorry, racial

As a Harvard Alum, I agree that having a balanced class is valuable in the learning and social experience. The kids who came in with only high GPA/SAT scores added absolutely nothing to the experience and environment. I've also talked to a number of my former Asian classmates and none of them support this lawsuit. I don't think they want to be further stereotyped by an influx of high GPA/SAT robots.

I really believe this lawsuit is only nominally brought in the name of Asians. The plaintiff is a white guy who wants to kill affirmative action; the same guy who lost in Fisher v. Univ. of Texas. Another loss will further damage Asians' chances of getting into the elites beyond their proportion in the applicant pool.

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Are people that stupid?

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard wants to increase their URM students to a point! I agree that they are discriminating against Asians. However, I would argue that Harvard will not decrease the number of whites students below 50%. If that happens wealthy/elite whites will not want to attend and it will lose its status. I don't think that is fair, but that is the reality.

+1

Same as TJ. The few whites I know that were admitted, and also a couple Asians I know that were admitted -- don't want to attend TJ for this very reason. It is simply not a "diverse" experience any longer, when the majority is foreign or first generation Asian.

Well too bad for them, they will miss out on the best STEM education around, and whites will be underrepresented at the forefronts of the technological revolution (as they're already beginning to be in Silicon Valley).

PP here. Maybe. Maybe not. They don't want to be part of it, and TJ is missing out, truth be told.

Ok great--we can have a class of white kids who just want to be lawyers and society will be much better off. And there's no evidence TJ is "missing out." It still rocks every academic award imaginable.

Has it produced a Zuckerberg or Gates? Just asking. They went to Harvard BTW.

They both dropped out of Harvard because they didn't find it useful BTW. Ask them if they could run Microsoft or Facebook without their Asian staff.

They both got in. Unlike the sore-loser plaintiffs. Yes, their staffs may be Asian. But that is exactly what Harvard is saying: They're "standard strong." I think we all agree on this. The question is how many are exceptional enough to get one of the 2,000 coveted spots at Harvard each year?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard wants to increase their URM students to a point! I agree that they are discriminating against Asians. However, I would argue that Harvard will not decrease the number of whites students below 50%. If that happens wealthy/elite whites will not want to attend and it will lose its status. I don't think that is fair, but that is the reality.

+1

Same as TJ. The few whites I know that were admitted, and also a couple Asians I know that were admitted -- don't want to attend TJ for this very reason. It is simply not a "diverse" experience any longer, when the majority is foreign or first generation Asian.

Well too bad for them, they will miss out on the best STEM education around, and whites will be underrepresented at the forefronts of the technological revolution (as they're already beginning to be in Silicon Valley).

PP here. Maybe. Maybe not. They don't want to be part of it, and TJ is missing out, truth be told.

Ok great--we can have a class of white kids who just want to be lawyers and society will be much better off. And there's no evidence TJ is "missing out." It still rocks every academic award imaginable.

Has it produced a Zuckerberg or Gates? Just asking. They went to Harvard BTW.

Since when is Harvard a top STEM school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All I know is Harvard engages in "racuial balancing" and that is perfectly legal.

sorry, racial

As a Harvard Alum, I agree that having a balanced class is valuable in the learning and social experience. The kids who came in with only high GPA/SAT scores added absolutely nothing to the experience and environment. I've also talked to a number of my former Asian classmates and none of them support this lawsuit. I don't think they want to be further stereotyped by an influx of high GPA/SAT robots.

I really believe this lawsuit is only nominally brought in the name of Asians. The plaintiff is a white guy who wants to kill affirmative action; the same guy who lost in Fisher v. Univ. of Texas. Another loss will further damage Asians' chances of getting into the elites beyond their proportion in the applicant pool.

+1

Are people that stupid?

who? Please explain your cryptic response.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard wants to increase their URM students to a point! I agree that they are discriminating against Asians. However, I would argue that Harvard will not decrease the number of whites students below 50%. If that happens wealthy/elite whites will not want to attend and it will lose its status. I don't think that is fair, but that is the reality.

+1

Same as TJ. The few whites I know that were admitted, and also a couple Asians I know that were admitted -- don't want to attend TJ for this very reason. It is simply not a "diverse" experience any longer, when the majority is foreign or first generation Asian.

Well too bad for them, they will miss out on the best STEM education around, and whites will be underrepresented at the forefronts of the technological revolution (as they're already beginning to be in Silicon Valley).

They won’t miss out. There is plenty of time and opportunity to develop a STEM career in undergrad, grad, and beyond. Talented kids will catch up and surpass kids who only got to TJ because their parents forced them into cram schools as middle schoolers.

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Teaching to the test is not real life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All I know is Harvard engages in "racuial balancing" and that is perfectly legal.

sorry, racial

As a Harvard Alum, I agree that having a balanced class is valuable in the learning and social experience. The kids who came in with only high GPA/SAT scores added absolutely nothing to the experience and environment. I've also talked to a number of my former Asian classmates and none of them support this lawsuit. I don't think they want to be further stereotyped by an influx of high GPA/SAT robots.

I really believe this lawsuit is only nominally brought in the name of Asians. The plaintiff is a white guy who wants to kill affirmative action; the same guy who lost in Fisher v. Univ. of Texas. Another loss will further damage Asians' chances of getting into the elites beyond their proportion in the applicant pool.

+1

Are people that stupid?

who? Please explain your cryptic response.

PP here. Sorry, I am advocating against the lawsuit, because it will bite all groups in the arse.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard wants to increase their URM students to a point! I agree that they are discriminating against Asians. However, I would argue that Harvard will not decrease the number of whites students below 50%. If that happens wealthy/elite whites will not want to attend and it will lose its status. I don't think that is fair, but that is the reality.

They are already below 50%. The last two classes have been majority-minority. You can look this up; indeed Harvard brags about it.
You really could argue that the Asians are proportionally represented, blacks and Hispanics slightly over-represented, and whites are under-represented. Really it's the whites who have a case here based on disparate impact.

OP here. Yes, I just looked it up and it is 44%. I still stand by my overall point that their ultimate diversity goal is to keep whites as the majority of any racial group.

? but they are in the majority, both in the population and in the applicant pool. Not sure I understand your point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All I know is Harvard engages in "racuial balancing" and that is perfectly legal.

sorry, racial

As a Harvard Alum, I agree that having a balanced class is valuable in the learning and social experience. The kids who came in with only high GPA/SAT scores added absolutely nothing to the experience and environment. I've also talked to a number of my former Asian classmates and none of them support this lawsuit. I don't think they want to be further stereotyped by an influx of high GPA/SAT robots.

I really believe this lawsuit is only nominally brought in the name of Asians. The plaintiff is a white guy who wants to kill affirmative action; the same guy who lost in Fisher v. Univ. of Texas. Another loss will further damage Asians' chances of getting into the elites beyond their proportion in the applicant pool.

+1

Are people that stupid?

who? Please explain your cryptic response.

PP here. Sorry, I am advocating against the lawsuit, because it will bite all groups in the arse.

cool. I agree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard wants to increase their URM students to a point! I agree that they are discriminating against Asians. However, I would argue that Harvard will not decrease the number of whites students below 50%. If that happens wealthy/elite whites will not want to attend and it will lose its status. I don't think that is fair, but that is the reality.

They are already below 50%. The last two classes have been majority-minority. You can look this up; indeed Harvard brags about it.
You really could argue that the Asians are proportionally represented, blacks and Hispanics slightly over-represented, and whites are under-represented. Really it's the whites who have a case here based on disparate impact.

OP here. Yes, I just looked it up and it is 44%. I still stand by my overall point that their ultimate diversity goal is to keep whites as the majority of any racial group.

Also, Harvard doesn't see itself as a STEM only school. It is a liberal arts institution. This drives their diversity philosophy. I teach at a tier 1 university and the majority of Asian students major in STEM related fields. I assume this also happens at Harvard. Does this influence admissions for Asians as they are competing against themselves? I think more Asians students majoring in the humanities and social sciences would increase their overall percentage in schools like Harvard.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All this “casual racism” on this thread makes me sick to my stomach Asian kids aren’t robots—that’s just a narrative that other ethnic groups have devised to make themselves feel better when their kids are outperformed (as someone pointed out upthread, people used those same type of derogatory comments when talking about Jews at Harvard 50 years ago.)
I hope that all of you parents spewing bile about Asians on this thread read this story about Peter Wang who at the age of 15 was killed trying to help classmates escape from the Parkland massacre gunman at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. At age 15 he had more character than any of you on this thread ever will.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/west-point-military-academy-admits-parkland-student-peter-wang-who-n849721

When the shooting started at the high school in Parkland, the Brooklyn NY born cadet yanked open a door that allowed dozens of classmates, teachers and staffers to escape, officials said. But as he stood at his post in his JROTC uniform and held the door open, Wang was shot and killed — one of the 17 students and staffers who died in the school that day.

+1 All you people calling Asians robots should be ashamed of yourself. Think back to the racist insults that are hurled at whatever ethnicity you are and try to have some compassion.

As an Asian Harvard alum, I'm ashamed of my alma mater's behavior. Harvard needs to be better than cheap stereotypes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard wants to increase their URM students to a point! I agree that they are discriminating against Asians. However, I would argue that Harvard will not decrease the number of whites students below 50%. If that happens wealthy/elite whites will not want to attend and it will lose its status. I don't think that is fair, but that is the reality.

They are already below 50%. The last two classes have been majority-minority. You can look this up; indeed Harvard brags about it.
You really could argue that the Asians are proportionally represented, blacks and Hispanics slightly over-represented, and whites are under-represented. Really it's the whites who have a case here based on disparate impact.

OP here. Yes, I just looked it up and it is 44%. I still stand by my overall point that their ultimate diversity goal is to keep whites as the majority of any racial group.

Also, Harvard doesn't see itself as a STEM only school. It is a liberal arts institution. This drives their diversity philosophy. I teach at a tier 1 university and the majority of Asian students major in STEM related fields. I assume this also happens at Harvard. Does this influence admissions for Asians as they are competing against themselves? I think more Asians students majoring in the humanities and social sciences would increase their overall percentage in schools like Harvard.

Excellent point. Harvard's lawyers should take note.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard wants to increase their URM students to a point! I agree that they are discriminating against Asians. However, I would argue that Harvard will not decrease the number of whites students below 50%. If that happens wealthy/elite whites will not want to attend and it will lose its status. I don't think that is fair, but that is the reality.

They are already below 50%. The last two classes have been majority-minority. You can look this up; indeed Harvard brags about it.
You really could argue that the Asians are proportionally represented, blacks and Hispanics slightly over-represented, and whites are under-represented. Really it's the whites who have a case here based on disparate impact.

OP here. Yes, I just looked it up and it is 44%. I still stand by my overall point that their ultimate diversity goal is to keep whites as the majority of any racial group.

Also, Harvard doesn't see itself as a STEM only school. It is a liberal arts institution. This drives their diversity philosophy. I teach at a tier 1 university and the majority of Asian students major in STEM related fields. I assume this also happens at Harvard. Does this influence admissions for Asians as they are competing against themselves? I think more Asians students majoring in the humanities and social sciences would increase their overall percentage in schools like Harvard.

None of the ivys are strong STEM schools. I thought everyone knew that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard wants to increase their URM students to a point! I agree that they are discriminating against Asians. However, I would argue that Harvard will not decrease the number of whites students below 50%. If that happens wealthy/elite whites will not want to attend and it will lose its status. I don't think that is fair, but that is the reality.

They are already below 50%. The last two classes have been majority-minority. You can look this up; indeed Harvard brags about it.
You really could argue that the Asians are proportionally represented, blacks and Hispanics slightly over-represented, and whites are under-represented. Really it's the whites who have a case here based on disparate impact.

OP here. Yes, I just looked it up and it is 44%. I still stand by my overall point that their ultimate diversity goal is to keep whites as the majority of any racial group.

Also, Harvard doesn't see itself as a STEM only school. It is a liberal arts institution. This drives their diversity philosophy. I teach at a tier 1 university and the majority of Asian students major in STEM related fields. I assume this also happens at Harvard. Does this influence admissions for Asians as they are competing against themselves? I think more Asians students majoring in the humanities and social sciences would increase their overall percentage in schools like Harvard.

None of the ivys are strong STEM schools. I thought everyone knew that?

I'm sure the percentage of Asian students is much higher at MIT, Cal Tech, Carnegie Mellon etc. This lack of STEM focus may well explain why the percent is lower at Harvard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Asians would like Harvard to be 100% theirs. Not gonna happen

What % of Western students are there in Japan, South Korea, India and China's most prestigious universities?