How Harvard discriminates against Asian Americans in college admissions

[Anonymous]

So rather than judging an individual by his or her merit, you default to race as a category for evaluating someone’s capabilities? Isn't that a textbook definition of racism?

[Anonymous]

how do you judge 'merit' if Harvard is forced to admit students on the basis of skin color? Once you introduce affirmative action, preferential admissions, you make it impossible to judge merit. Does an ivy diploma mean anything for a black student who may have been admitted preferentially because of their skin color? How do you know if they are sufficiently smart or just lucky?

[Anonymous]

So you choose physicians based on race which you see as a proxy for SAT/ACT scores and HS GPA, which you see as the only sure way to assess merit?

Seriously, once admitted to college (on whatever basis — how do you know that white doctor didn’t get in because he was a jock or a legacy?), people have to graduate with good grades to get into med school. And then they have to graduate from med school to become doctors. They have multiyear residencies before licensure. Many then do fellowships in specific practice areas and/or get board-certified as well. Both patients and other doctors recommend or affiliate with (or sue or report or discipline) physicians based on their experiences working with them. All of this information exists and much of it is easily accessible to prospective patients.

But none of that matters because once you know Harvard College has a race-conscious admissions process then no black doctor can be trusted to be qualified and, to be safe, you better stick with an Asian or white doctor. Incroyable!

[Anonymous]

I doubt that it matters to most of the posters, but the National Council of Asian Pacific Americans - the umbrella group of 34 civil rights organizations representing Asian-Americans - declared, "After further examination of Harvard's own data, we do not believe that there was intentional or implicit bias against Asian American applicants."

https://twitter.com/NCAPAtweets/status/1010239595752108035

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I doubt that it matters to most of the posters, but the National Council of Asian Pacific Americans - the umbrella group of 34 civil rights organizations representing Asian-Americans - declared, "After further examination of Harvard's own data, we do not believe that there was intentional or implicit bias against Asian American applicants."

https://twitter.com/NCAPAtweets/status/1010239595752108035

It should matter. Particularly when you consider who the plaintiff in this lawsuit really is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I doubt that it matters to most of the posters, but the National Council of Asian Pacific Americans - the umbrella group of 34 civil rights organizations representing Asian-Americans - declared, "After further examination of Harvard's own data, we do not believe that there was intentional or implicit bias against Asian American applicants."

https://twitter.com/NCAPAtweets/status/1010239595752108035

It should matter. Particularly when you consider who the plaintiff in this lawsuit really is.

BS. This is a totally left leaning group representing the small portion of Asians who benefit from Affirmative Action, namely HMONG, Laotians etc. Or course they want to say this. They want the current system in place. Fake News.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I doubt that it matters to most of the posters, but the National Council of Asian Pacific Americans - the umbrella group of 34 civil rights organizations representing Asian-Americans - declared, "After further examination of Harvard's own data, we do not believe that there was intentional or implicit bias against Asian American applicants."

https://twitter.com/NCAPAtweets/status/1010239595752108035

It should matter. Particularly when you consider who the plaintiff in this lawsuit really is.

BS. This is a totally left leaning group representing the small portion of Asians who benefit from Affirmative Action, namely HMONG, Laotians etc. Or course they want to say this. They want the current system in place. Fake News.

Just the largest Asian-American membership organizations representing Chinese-Americans, Filipino-Americans, Japanese-Americans, South Asian-Americans and professional associations of Asian-American in law and public health. Shocking that Asian-Americans also include "HMONG, Laotians etc." who don't happen to fit your model minority image.

[Anonymous]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-administration-reverses-obama-on-affirmative-action/ar-AAzxjBd?ocid=ientp

It is a done deal.

[Anonymous]

This is good news for Asians. Will this apply to TJ admissions as well?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-administration-reverses-obama-on-affirmative-action/ar-AAzxjBd?ocid=ientp

It is a done deal.

no, it is not. it's just a guideline, people. I don't get the excitement over removing this guideline. Harvard doesn't have to follow it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is good news for Asians. Will this apply to TJ admissions as well?

No it's not good news for Asians. It only means that they will probably lower the weight of GPA/SAT and focus more on soft skills such as extracurricular and personality. Those aren't strong Asian areas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is good news for Asians. Will this apply to TJ admissions as well?

No it's not good news for Asians. It only means that they will probably lower the weight of GPA/SAT and focus more on soft skills such as extracurricular and personality. Those aren't strong Asian areas.

That's BS. Unless you use a very racist and biased way of evaluating EC's, Asians applying to these schools have excellent EC's.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is good news for Asians. Will this apply to TJ admissions as well?

No it's not good news for Asians. It only means that they will probably lower the weight of GPA/SAT and focus more on soft skills such as extracurricular and personality. Those aren't strong Asian areas.

Did you really say Personality isn’t a strong area for Asian children? When I read ignorant and obnoxious comments like this on a regular basis on this anonymous forum it helps me understand why there is so much bias against Asian students

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So you choose physicians based on race which you see as a proxy for SAT/ACT scores and HS GPA, which you see as the only sure way to assess merit?

Seriously, once admitted to college (on whatever basis — how do you know that white doctor didn’t get in because he was a jock or a legacy?), people have to graduate with good grades to get into med school. And then they have to graduate from med school to become doctors. They have multiyear residencies before licensure. Many then do fellowships in specific practice areas and/or get board-certified as well. Both patients and other doctors recommend or affiliate with (or sue or report or discipline) physicians based on their experiences working with them. All of this information exists and much of it is easily accessible to prospective patients.

But none of that matters because once you know Harvard College has a race-conscious admissions process then no black doctor can be trusted to be qualified and, to be safe, you better stick with an Asian or white doctor. Incroyable!

DP you do realize that most Fortune 500 companies have explicit targets for URM hires that they can never meet. Which means that AA and it’s impacr extends beyond college campuses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So you choose physicians based on race which you see as a proxy for SAT/ACT scores and HS GPA, which you see as the only sure way to assess merit?

Seriously, once admitted to college (on whatever basis — how do you know that white doctor didn’t get in because he was a jock or a legacy?), people have to graduate with good grades to get into med school. And then they have to graduate from med school to become doctors. They have multiyear residencies before licensure. Many then do fellowships in specific practice areas and/or get board-certified as well. Both patients and other doctors recommend or affiliate with (or sue or report or discipline) physicians based on their experiences working with them. All of this information exists and much of it is easily accessible to prospective patients.

But none of that matters because once you know Harvard College has a race-conscious admissions process then no black doctor can be trusted to be qualified and, to be safe, you better stick with an Asian or white doctor. Incroyable!

Dumb argument.. Regardless of how someone got into med school, if the stayed the course and completed, they have the credentials to treat you. Affirmative action does not matter in this case. All they need to do is make sure they don't behave like a-holes like some doctors do.