FCPS's "reduced quality of public education due to the illegal situation"

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Anonymous wrote:This is a huge issue and has gone out of control. Look at this article in Bethesda magazine. It's worth a read: http://www.bethesdamagazine.com/Bethesda-Magazine/November-December-2017/Hope-Lives-Here/ While this school is in MCPS, make no mistake- this is a reality in a good number of schools throughout the DMV.

So you hate poor people who live in trailers?

I thought it was a lovely story of how one community is supporting those in need. Those are some great teachers.

Who said that I hated poor people in trailers? Did you read it?
Of course principal and staff at the school are clearly amazing; but the fact is, teaching is only PART of their jobs these days. They're busy caring for these kids as if they are their own. If you don't see how that impacts education and our communities, then you are delusional. Send your kid to that school and let me know how much his education his impacted. Of course the fact that the school is over 75% farms and the fact that a good number of the students there are illegal immigrants impact public education and unfortunately the burden lays on just a few schools. YOu will never see this in the neighborhoods of McLean, Bethesda, Potomac, etc. Is that fair?

How do you know they are "illegal"?

You're right. It's just as likely that the non English speaking families living 15 people to an apartment been here for 5 generations. They don't speak a lick of English but you know, we can't prove that they are illegal, you and I, not even to have an Internet discussion.



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I dunno. Two families I know who are low-income and Spanish speakers are legal and live with extended family for a variety of reasons.

Ok, you got me. Parts of FFX looks like South America now - many who recently arrived and who don't speak a lick of English but it's clear they are all 100% legal. Also, I'm not sure why we are a sanctuary city at all, since everyone is legal...

You people crack me up. You are delusional. I do suspect you actually believe in the crap you put forth...

You are clearly sock puppeting like crazy and nothing screams right-wing basket case like some dumb ass comparing areas with a lot of Salvadorans to South America. Just pathetically stupid.

Correct PP,
Clearly what NPP knows about SA, is what s/he has seen in one of those Indiana Jones movies, many, many years ago. LOL.
NPP, most South Americans in this area are from well educated backgrounds, but your narrow mind put all of us under the "bad hombres" slogan, of course. You should know that Public K-12 education here doesn't compare to the education that we received back there, and actually, we strive to put our children in private schools here to resemble the good education that we are used to. While we pay for private school and, pay our taxes as responsible citizens, we don't resent the tax money that goes to public school for a family that needs it, which could be an ESOL, Special Ed., General Ed, or Gifted student, because they are children, the future of this great nation. You know... charity, good will and love of humanity, you should practice that sometime.

+1. Also, everyone complaining about the “illegals” should take a good look at the hiring practices of the hotels, restaurants, commercial landscaping companies, office cleaners, etc in this area. Low-skilled people (documented or otherwise) would not move here if there were no jobs.

I agree with you completely.

We should make it more of a crime to hire illegal immigrants. The whole reason illegal immigration has flourished for so long is because it benefits businesses. In reality, it doesn't benefit the illegal immigrants themselves - they would be better off if they were here legally. But, the fact that we make it so easy for companies to hire illegal immigrants and pay them shitty wages is why it continues.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a huge issue and has gone out of control. Look at this article in Bethesda magazine. It's worth a read: http://www.bethesdamagazine.com/Bethesda-Magazine/November-December-2017/Hope-Lives-Here/ While this school is in MCPS, make no mistake- this is a reality in a good number of schools throughout the DMV.

So you hate poor people who live in trailers?

I thought it was a lovely story of how one community is supporting those in need. Those are some great teachers.

Who said that I hated poor people in trailers? Did you read it?
Of course principal and staff at the school are clearly amazing; but the fact is, teaching is only PART of their jobs these days. They're busy caring for these kids as if they are their own.[b] If you don't see how that impacts education and our communities, then you are delusional. Send your kid to that school and let me know how much his education his impacted. Of course the fact that the school is over 75% farms and the fact that a good number of the students there are illegal immigrants impact public education and unfortunately the burden lays on just a few schools. YOu will never see this in the neighborhoods of McLean, Bethesda, Potomac, etc. Is that fair?

Actually, you will see it. It’s happening. It’s just that the parents then send kids to private schools.

I believe Bethesda Magazine just did an article about this. Not FCPS, but a school in Germantown (MCPS), which is another school system whose public education has deteriorated due to illegal immigrants. Especially for Middle Class families. The wealthier clusters are more immune to this, and many wealthy families switch to private.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder how many bigots on here are the descendants of Irish and Eastern European immigrants. They got the same sort of hateful treatment. They were also the first to throw stones when schools were integrated (see Boston school bus riots).

+1,000 ^THIS^

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder how many bigots on here are the descendants of Irish and Eastern European immigrants. They got the same sort of hateful treatment. They were also the first to throw stones when schools were integrated (see Boston school bus riots).

+1,000 ^THIS^

And just like back then the elites didn't have to deal with the issue. Look this is DCUM most of you have the luxury of living in areas that don't have to deal with this directly or send kids to private school so stop with the sanctimonious bs ok. P.S. this is why trump won.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder how many bigots on here are the descendants of Irish and Eastern European immigrants. They got the same sort of hateful treatment. They were also the first to throw stones when schools were integrated (see Boston school bus riots).

+1,000 ^THIS^

And just like back then the elites didn't have to deal with the issue. Look this is DCUM most of you have the luxury of living in areas that don't have to deal with this directly or send kids to private school so stop with the sanctimonious bs ok. P.S. this is why trump won.

And on the busing thing how many black kids are in North Arlington or Bethesda or NW DC. Do you really think that is a coincidence. Look in the mirror limousine liberals

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder how many bigots on here are the descendants of Irish and Eastern European immigrants. They got the same sort of hateful treatment. They were also the first to throw stones when schools were integrated (see Boston school bus riots).

+1,000 ^THIS^

And just like back then the elites didn't have to deal with the issue. Look this is DCUM most of you have the luxury of living in areas that don't have to deal with this directly or send kids to private school so stop with the sanctimonious bs ok. P.S. this is why trump won.

YEP. Exactly why Trump won.

Middle class parents are facing the challenges from the increase in illegal immigration and they’re immediately labeled bigots by people who have the money to escape the challenges.

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This is, to be blunt, political suicide. The Democrats’ current position seems to be that the Dreamer parents who broke the law are near heroes, indistinguishable from the children they brought with them; and their rhetoric is very hard to distinguish, certainly for most swing voters, from a belief in open borders. In fact, the Democrats increasingly seem to suggest that any kind of distinction between citizens and noncitizens is somehow racist. You could see this at the last convention, when an entire evening was dedicated to Latinos, illegal and legal, as if the rule of law were largely irrelevant. Hence the euphemism “undocumented” rather than “illegal.” So the stage was built, lit, and set for Trump.

He still tragically owns that stage. What Merkel did for the AfD, the Democrats are in danger of doing for the Trump wing of the GOP. The most powerful thing Trump said in the campaign, I’d argue, was: “If you don’t have borders, you don’t have a country.” And the Democrats had no answer, something that millions of Americans immediately saw. They still formally favor enforcement of immigration laws, but rhetorically, they keep signaling the opposite.

Here is Dylan Matthews, also in Vox, expressing the emerging liberal consensus: “Personally, I think any center-left party worth its salt has to be deeply committed to egalitarianism, not just for people born in the U.S. but for everyone … It means treating people born outside the U.S. as equals … And it means a strong presumption in favor of open immigration.” Here’s Zack Beauchamp, a liberal friend of mine: “What if I told you that immigration restrictionism is and always has been racist?” Borders themselves are racist? Seriously?

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/10/the-issue-that-could-lose-the-next-election-for-democrats.html

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Anonymous wrote:This is a huge issue and has gone out of control. Look at this article in Bethesda magazine. It's worth a read: http://www.bethesdamagazine.com/Bethesda-Magazine/November-December-2017/Hope-Lives-Here/ While this school is in MCPS, make no mistake- this is a reality in a good number of schools throughout the DMV.

So you hate poor people who live in trailers?

I thought it was a lovely story of how one community is supporting those in need. Those are some great teachers.

Who said that I hated poor people in trailers? Did you read it?
Of course principal and staff at the school are clearly amazing; but the fact is, teaching is only PART of their jobs these days. They're busy caring for these kids as if they are their own. If you don't see how that impacts education and our communities, then you are delusional. Send your kid to that school and let me know how much his education his impacted. Of course the fact that the school is over 75% farms and the fact that a good number of the students there are illegal immigrants impact public education and unfortunately the burden lays on just a few schools. YOu will never see this in the neighborhoods of McLean, Bethesda, Potomac, etc. Is that fair?

How do you know they are "illegal"?

You're right. It's just as likely that the non English speaking families living 15 people to an apartment been here for 5 generations. They don't speak a lick of English but you know, we can't prove that they are illegal, you and I, not even to have an Internet discussion.



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I dunno. Two families I know who are low-income and Spanish speakers are legal and live with extended family for a variety of reasons.

Ok, you got me. Parts of FFX looks like South America now - many who recently arrived and who don't speak a lick of English but it's clear they are all 100% legal. Also, I'm not sure why we are a sanctuary city at all, since everyone is legal...

You people crack me up. You are delusional. I do suspect you actually believe in the crap you put forth...

You are clearly sock puppeting like crazy and nothing screams right-wing basket case like some dumb ass comparing areas with a lot of Salvadorans to South America. Just pathetically stupid.

Correct PP,
Clearly what NPP knows about SA, is what s/he has seen in one of those Indiana Jones movies, many, many years ago. LOL.
NPP, most South Americans in this area are from well educated backgrounds, but your narrow mind put all of us under the "bad hombres" slogan, of course. You should know that Public K-12 education here doesn't compare to the education that we received back there, and actually, we strive to put our children in private schools here to resemble the good education that we are used to. While we pay for private school and, pay our taxes as responsible citizens, we don't resent the tax money that goes to public school for a family that needs it, which could be an ESOL, Special Ed., General Ed, or Gifted student, because they are children, the future of this great nation. You know... charity, good will and love of humanity, you should practice that sometime.

+1. Also, everyone complaining about the “illegals” should take a good look at the hiring practices of the hotels, restaurants, commercial landscaping companies, office cleaners, etc in this area. Low-skilled people (documented or otherwise) would not move here if there were no jobs.

I agree with you completely.

We should make it more of a crime to hire illegal immigrants. The whole reason illegal immigration has flourished for so long is because it benefits businesses. In reality, it doesn't benefit the illegal immigrants themselves - they would be better off if they were here legally. But, the fact that we make it so easy for companies to hire illegal immigrants and pay them shitty wages is why it continues.

The Republicans in Virginia wanted an E-verify law, but the liberals - always defending and excusing illegal immigrants - blocked it.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder how many bigots on here are the descendants of Irish and Eastern European immigrants. They got the same sort of hateful treatment. They were also the first to throw stones when schools were integrated (see Boston school bus riots).

+1,000 ^THIS^

And just like back then the elites didn't have to deal with the issue. Look this is DCUM most of you have the luxury of living in areas that don't have to deal with this directly or send kids to private school so stop with the sanctimonious bs ok. P.S. this is why trump won.

You beat me to the punch.

Liberals always defend the "underdogs," even if they have broken laws, and even if they are having a detrimental impact on middle-class taxpaying Americans (whom they decry as bigots for putting their own children first). In a nutshell, they would rather defend illegals with sanctuary cities and lenient application of the laws than protect American children from middle-income families in their wish for a decent education. To liberals, the illegals come before Americans, despite the negative impact, as long as they themselves can buy their way out of it (via private schools or expensive districts). To echo the PP above, it is why Trump won.

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I understand where these posters are coming from, but there are actually a lot of liberal, white parents who put their money where their mouth is and send their kids to diverse public schools. We're not all hypocrites.

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Anonymous wrote:I understand where these posters are coming from, but there are actually a lot of liberal, white parents who put their money where their mouth is and send their kids to diverse public schools. We're not all hypocrites.

Well, it depends what you mean by "diverse." I myself grew up in what you might call a diverse neighborhood. Within a few houses on either side, we had a diplomatic family, a black family, an Asian family, a South American family, and two white families. Other than the diplomatic family, all are still there. The difference was that they came from comfortable families with educated parents, and all spoke English fluently. Classes were taught at a good level.

That's entirely different from "diversity" when it means kids from non-English families, with parents who have not completed high school. It brings down the quality of education. If you have elected to send your kids to a school where half don't speak English and three-quarters are on FARMS, congratulations for living by political ideology. Perhaps you have the money for private tutoring to prep your kids for the SAT to compensate for their inferior classroom instruction, but again, many middle class parents do not.

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Anonymous wrote:Fairfax is being bankrupted by ESOL AND SPECIAL EDUCATION. Pretty simple to google this

Special Needs kids, and ESOL people know this and are/have been flocking to FCPS

Damn those autistic kinds and down syndrome kids. Tell them to go be disabled somewhere else!

They pick up social language from their friends, but they lack the academic language needed for achievement. There's been a lot of research on this. http://linguistics.ohio.edu/opie/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/BICS-and-CALPS.pdf
They also come to school without the pre-literacy skills most nonELL children develop at home.

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Anonymous wrote:I understand where these posters are coming from, but there are actually a lot of liberal, white parents who put their money where their mouth is and send their kids to diverse public schools. We're not all hypocrites.

It doesn't matter what you say. Unless you are sending your kids to Glen Forest ES, and as agitated about the ESOL/FARMS rates there as he is, he will just calling you a hypocrite.

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Anonymous wrote:I understand where these posters are coming from, but there are actually a lot of liberal, white parents who put their money where their mouth is and send their kids to diverse public schools. We're not all hypocrites.

It doesn't matter what you say. Unless you are sending your kids to Glen Forest ES, and as agitated about the ESOL/FARMS rates there as he is, he will just calling you a hypocrite.

Who is this "he" you are talking about? There are multiple people here upset about the decline in high ESOL schools.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a huge issue and has gone out of control. Look at this article in Bethesda magazine. It's worth a read: http://www.bethesdamagazine.com/Bethesda-Magazine/November-December-2017/Hope-Lives-Here/ While this school is in MCPS, make no mistake- this is a reality in a good number of schools throughout the DMV.

So you hate poor people who live in trailers?

I thought it was a lovely story of how one community is supporting those in need. Those are some great teachers.

Who said that I hated poor people in trailers? Did you read it?
Of course principal and staff at the school are clearly amazing; but the fact is, teaching is only PART of their jobs these days. They're busy caring for these kids as if they are their own. If you don't see how that impacts education and our communities, then you are delusional. Send your kid to that school and let me know how much his education his impacted. Of course the fact that the school is over 75% farms and the fact that a good number of the students there are illegal immigrants impact public education and unfortunately the burden lays on just a few schools. YOu will never see this in the neighborhoods of McLean, Bethesda, Potomac, etc. Is that fair?

How do you know they are "illegal"?

You're right. It's just as likely that the non English speaking families living 15 people to an apartment been here for 5 generations. They don't speak a lick of English but you know, we can't prove that they are illegal, you and I, not even to have an Internet discussion.



Also

I dunno. Two families I know who are low-income and Spanish speakers are legal and live with extended family for a variety of reasons.

Ok, you got me. Parts of FFX looks like South America now - many who recently arrived and who don't speak a lick of English but it's clear they are all 100% legal. Also, I'm not sure why we are a sanctuary city at all, since everyone is legal...

You people crack me up. You are delusional. I do suspect you actually believe in the crap you put forth...

You are clearly sock puppeting like crazy and nothing screams right-wing basket case like some dumb ass comparing areas with a lot of Salvadorans to South America. Just pathetically stupid.

Correct PP,
Clearly what NPP knows about SA, is what s/he has seen in one of those Indiana Jones movies, many, many years ago. LOL.
NPP, most South Americans in this area are from well educated backgrounds, but your narrow mind put all of us under the "bad hombres" slogan, of course. You should know that Public K-12 education here doesn't compare to the education that we received back there, and actually, we strive to put our children in private schools here to resemble the good education that we are used to. While we pay for private school and, pay our taxes as responsible citizens, we don't resent the tax money that goes to public school for a family that needs it, which could be an ESOL, Special Ed., General Ed, or Gifted student, because they are children, the future of this great nation. You know... charity, good will and love of humanity, you should practice that sometime.

+1. Also, everyone complaining about the “illegals” should take a good look at the hiring practices of the hotels, restaurants, commercial landscaping companies, office cleaners, etc in this area. Low-skilled people (documented or otherwise) would not move here if there were no jobs.

I agree with you completely.

We should make it more of a crime to hire illegal immigrants. The whole reason illegal immigration has flourished for so long is because it benefits businesses. In reality, it doesn't benefit the illegal immigrants themselves - they would be better off if they were here legally. But, the fact that we make it so easy for companies to hire illegal immigrants and pay them shitty wages is why it continues.

The Republicans in Virginia wanted an E-verify law, but the liberals - always defending and excusing illegal immigrants - blocked it.

Bob McDonnell signed an E-verify law, although it only applies to companies seeking business contracts with the commonwealth. A lot of business groups (including the Chamber of Congress) and politicians support mandatory federal e verify with the caveat that employers who refuse to comply won't be penalized. This obviously isn't a strong deterrent to quit hiring undocumented workers, and businesses, along with private individuals, are well aware of it. They'll say they support the measure as long as it doesn't mean THEY will actually face a serious charge if they get caught. The worst fisherman in the world can tell you that if you remove the bait, the fish won't bite. As long as there are companies and private citizens willing to hire undocumented workers and pay them less, the undocumented workers will keep coming. And, as long as the aforementioned groups can get away with it without a stiff penalty, they'll keep doing it.