Let's have the abortion talk here. Right here. This thread.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:PP, do you really think pictures change anyone's mind? I mean, anyone who has reached child-bearing age?

Even if they are real, those pictures just remind me that I'm so glad that something that was at the time of termination the size of someone's fingernail did not ruin my life forever.





Oh my god. How on earth could a child 'ruin' your life forever? Selfish much?

That's what pisses me off, god forbid life be a challenge and you have to overcome some of these obsticles. Life should be easy all the time, right?
Anonymous
oh yeah.. so if your neighbor makes your life miserable you just kill him/her?


My neighbor is not part of my own body. You also may have noticed that it would be illegal to kill my neighbor. It's also illegal to kill a provider of abortions. Or, since you're "pro-life," maybe you didn't notice that. What I did is not illegal.

I suppose you would prefer that I stay in my increasingly violent relationship with the hope that my boyfriend not kill me (and the fetus).

Pro-life, indeed.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:PP, do you really think pictures change anyone's mind? I mean, anyone who has reached child-bearing age?

Even if they are real, those pictures just remind me that I'm so glad that something that was at the time of termination the size of someone's fingernail did not ruin my life forever.





Oh my god. How on earth could a child 'ruin' your life forever? Selfish much?

That's what pisses me off, god forbid life be a challenge and you have to overcome some of these obsticles. Life should be easy all the time, right?

Listen to women who now do want a baby, but can't. Now that's real pain.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:PP, do you really think pictures change anyone's mind? I mean, anyone who has reached child-bearing age?

Even if they are real, those pictures just remind me that I'm so glad that something that was at the time of termination the size of someone's fingernail did not ruin my life forever.





Oh my god. How on earth could a child 'ruin' your life forever? Selfish much?

That's what pisses me off, god forbid life be a challenge and you have to overcome some of these obsticles. Life should be easy all the time, right?


Agreed. A pro-choicer here but I certainly agree that nobody that I have ever met speaks of their child as ruining their life! That's really disgusting!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:All we should do is:

"Live and let live."

Just like we do for the baby seals, and the other creatures of the universe.

NON-VIOLENCE is the way to go!


Don't we want to decrease the violence?

How does abortion do THAT?

I love my fellow human being so much, that you shall hereby no longer live?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:PP, do you really think pictures change anyone's mind? I mean, anyone who has reached child-bearing age?

Even if they are real, those pictures just remind me that I'm so glad that something that was at the time of termination the size of someone's fingernail did not ruin my life forever.


Even if they are real??? Ultrasound images from the BBC? Wow. That's ignorance.

I also love your "ruin my life forever" line. Are you a teenager?



Anonymous
OK, let me repeat for those of you who haven't been listening. I was 19, on the pill and in a relationship with a 25-year-old. I had a very strict religious upbringing and could not count on my parents for support. When I told my boyfriend I was pregnant, he slapped me. In the weeks leading up to the abortion, the slaps became punches. He blamed me for getting pregnant. The abortion gave me a way out of that relationship. Thankfully, we barely spoke afterwards even though we still crossed paths (small town). If I had even told my parents that I was pregnant, they would have either insisted we get married or never spoken to me again, leaving me with barely better than a high school degree and no means for support, financial or emotional. Perhaps "ruin my life forever" was an exaggeration written in a fit of pique brought on by the photos, but I was in no position to bring a baby into the world at that time.

None.

Now, 16 years later, I have a wonderful husband who knows all about this, and two beautiful, smart, sweet, funny, fabulous and wanted children. My choice then made their lives possible. And possibly my life, since I wasn't forced to choose a marriage and baby with an increasingly violent man.

Pro-life, indeed.
Anonymous
p.s. all my disparaging photo comments refer to the pictures in the earlier post from the b.s. anti-choice site which purport themselves to be of aborted fetuses. I have no quarrel with the BBC pictures which look to be actual ultrasound images.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
oh yeah.. so if your neighbor makes your life miserable you just kill him/her?


My neighbor is not part of my own body. You also may have noticed that it would be illegal to kill my neighbor. It's also illegal to kill a provider of abortions. Or, since you're "pro-life," maybe you didn't notice that. What I did is not illegal.

I suppose you would prefer that I stay in my increasingly violent relationship with the hope that my boyfriend not kill me (and the fetus).

Pro-life, indeed.


In some countries it's not ok to kill the fetus. Just because something is legal doesn't mean it's moral.
What's the difference between killing your annoying neighbor and killing a criminal in death row?

The human race is regressing instead of evolving... SHAME ON US!
Anonymous
OK, taken in its entirety, this post makes no sense. But I will try to respond.

In some countries it's not ok to kill the fetus.


Happily, this is not one of those countries. My heart goes out to women worldwide who are in much worse situations that mine was and can't do anything about it.

Just because something is legal doesn't mean it's moral.


In some cultures, people consider it moral to stone a woman to death in the street for adultery or even the appearance thereof. Morals are personal. Why do you need to impose your personal morals on me or others? An oldie, but a goodie - if you don't like abortion, don't have one.

What's the difference between killing your annoying neighbor and killing a criminal in death row?


Here's where the poster goes off the rails a bit. If you recall, I specifically did NOT advocate killing one's annoying neighbor. I expect most rational people, including supporters of the death penalty, would say that the neighbor was not convicted in a court of law of an act so heinous that a judge or jury of his peers sentenced him to death. That appears to me to be a very big difference.

The human race is regressing instead of evolving... SHAME ON US!


That's debatable but I'm glad you reference evolution as a possiblity. Keep in mind that abortion has been around for thousands of years and it is only since some societies have started to treat women as equal to men that this practice has become safe and legal. What power can we have if we don't have the power to control our own bodies?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:p.s. all my disparaging photo comments refer to the pictures in the earlier post from the b.s. anti-choice site which purport themselves to be of aborted fetuses. I have no quarrel with the BBC pictures which look to be actual ultrasound images.


Just because someone makes a choice that doesn't go along with yours, doesn't mean they are anti-choice. Read back to where this was explained earlier.
Anonymous
Just because someone makes a choice that doesn't go along with yours, doesn't mean they are anti-choice. Read back to where this was explained earlier.


OK, I have been following this thread from the beginning and don't remember this particular semantics debate, there have been several.

When I say "anti-choice," I (and a lot of other people) am referencing people who are "anti" MY choice to keep something like this between me and my doctor. I don't CARE what choice other people make with regard to their unintended pregnancies, or really, their lives in general. But if this is not something you understand, I will call these people "anti-abortion" because that is clearer.

Also, individuals in the anti-abortion crowd are "choosing" to shoot people, which is not something I would choose.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
If she allowed adoption, she'd have to live with that. Now she has to live with having had terminated that living embryo. We all have to live with something, don't we?



Adoption is a wonderful choice, but a woman with an unwanted pregnancy should not be forced to carry the pregnancy to term.
Anonymous
No one has answered my question about euthanizing their pets. Do you put your animals down or allow them to suffer in pain until their life ends?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Regarding the question about rape victims --

I'm staunchly pro-choice, though I do have a lot of sympathy for the pro-life viewpoint (if not a lot of understanding of the tactics most often used to carry it out). I actually find that the pro-life perspective that is anti-abortion even in the cases of rape and incest to be more intellectually sound than those that would allow abortion under certain circumstances. After all, if you believe that the fetus is a life and if you believe that abortion is murder, then isn't it murder in all cases, regardless of conception? The baby is innocent regardless, right? I find it harder to respect pro-life viewpoints that will make exceptions than those that just believe it's murder, period.

(But let me say again that I don't believe that, and that those exceptions are among the myriad reasons that I myself am pro-choice.)


EXACTLY!
There can't be a grey area if it is murder. That is moral relativism. Like saying you are against the death penalty except for cases when the perp killed a whole family or something.
I am pro-choice but do respect pro-lifers who support social services and public funding to help women raise (or give up for adoption) these unwanted children
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