Let's have the abortion talk here. Right here. This thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hey pro-lifers...what about in the instance of rape? A women is made to have sex against her will, she gets pregnant and she is supposed to want to keep this child and give it a great life? Do you really, HONESTLY think that child will have a good life? Every moment she is pregnant, she will be reminded of what happened to her. Every moment of that child's life, she will see nothing but that event happen over and over again. It was NOT her choice to get pregnant or have sex...so how do your ideals make that okay?

We learned as children: Two wrongs never make a right.

[Anonymous]

I was talking about attitudes towards abortions in general.

And where in this thread do you see women with three or more abortions who have been "using it as birth control?" Almost all the stories have been about when a primary birth control has failed. Anyone who has had an abortion at any point in gestation knows that is always a painful experience physically and very often emotionally and that it is a last resort. No one is lining up for another one in another 8-12 weeks. I became pregnant while I was on the pill and had an abortion after my boyfriend started becoming violent with me after I told him I was pregnant. For the rest of my pre-meeting-my-now-husband life, I had Depo-Provera shots even though they made me put on 25 pounds.

And, this thread has plenty of posters whose "attitudes toward abortion in general" is that abortion is murder. Try again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I was talking about attitudes towards abortions in general.

And where in this thread do you see women with three or more abortions who have been "using it as birth control?" Almost all the stories have been about when a primary birth control has failed. Anyone who has had an abortion at any point in gestation knows that is always a painful experience physically and very often emotionally and that it is a last resort. No one is lining up for another one in another 8-12 weeks. I became pregnant while I was on the pill and had an abortion after my boyfriend started becoming violent with me after I told him I was pregnant. For the rest of my pre-meeting-my-now-husband life, I had Depo-Provera shots even though they made me put on 25 pounds.

And, this thread has plenty of posters whose "attitudes toward abortion in general" is that abortion is murder. Try again.

And if that PP really thinks that the majority of women who have abortions do so with a "WEEEE!! bring 'em on!" attitude, s/he is grossly out of touch.

[Anonymous]

Regarding the question about rape victims --

I'm staunchly pro-choice, though I do have a lot of sympathy for the pro-life viewpoint (if not a lot of understanding of the tactics most often used to carry it out). I actually find that the pro-life perspective that is anti-abortion even in the cases of rape and incest to be more intellectually sound than those that would allow abortion under certain circumstances. After all, if you believe that the fetus is a life and if you believe that abortion is murder, then isn't it murder in all cases, regardless of conception? The baby is innocent regardless, right? I find it harder to respect pro-life viewpoints that will make exceptions than those that just believe it's murder, period.

(But let me say again that I don't believe that, and that those exceptions are among the myriad reasons that I myself am pro-choice.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What I dont get are these woman who have more than one abortion and feel no guilt whatsoever.

To each her own. I don't get women who wear Ugg boots or carry those quilted flowery/paisley print bags.

I am 8 months pregnant and having now been through most of a wanted pregnancy cannot imagine deciding to have an abortion, although under certain circumstances (e.g., rape) I quite possibly would. Nevertheless, just because I don't know that I could do it doesn't mean I'd impose my own personal decision on *anyone*. I am staunchly pro-choice. We all have different experiences and different stories and we all have/should have the right to choose what medical procedures are done to our bodies.

Wow. You are exactly the sort of person who make Pro-Life people seem that much more level-headed. I am pro-choice, but I could never equate the hardship of an abortion to fashion and footwear.

My point wasn't to equate fashion with abortion (I mean come on!), but to emphasize that just because you can't understand how or why someone makes a personal decision doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to make that decision.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I dont get are these woman who have more than one abortion and feel no guilt whatsoever.

To each her own. I don't get women who wear Ugg boots or carry those quilted flowery/paisley print bags.

I am 8 months pregnant and having now been through most of a wanted pregnancy cannot imagine deciding to have an abortion, although under certain circumstances (e.g., rape) I quite possibly would. Nevertheless, just because I don't know that I could do it doesn't mean I'd impose my own personal decision on *anyone*. I am staunchly pro-choice. We all have different experiences and different stories and we all have/should have the right to choose what medical procedures are done to our bodies.

Wow. You are exactly the sort of person who make Pro-Life people seem that much more level-headed. I am pro-choice, but I could never equate the hardship of an abortion to fashion and footwear.



My point wasn't to equate fashion with abortion (I mean come on!), but to emphasize that just because you can't understand how or why someone makes a personal decision doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to make that decision.

Termination of human life is not a personal decision. It's a socialtal outrage.
How is it different from me terminating my child's life 30 seconds after she's come out of me?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey pro-lifers...what about in the instance of rape? A women is made to have sex against her will, she gets pregnant and she is supposed to want to keep this child and give it a great life? Do you really, HONESTLY think that child will have a good life? Every moment she is pregnant, she will be reminded of what happened to her. Every moment of that child's life, she will see nothing but that event happen over and over again. It was NOT her choice to get pregnant or have sex...so how do your ideals make that okay?

Adoption much?

So even though this was completely and utterly unwanted, the woman has to live the event over and over and over each and every day for 9 months? The embryo is just that...an embryo. This woman is already a human being, having lived life and now most likely having to deal with the after effects of rape. I know someone who used to march in pro-life rallies until this happened to her. Perhaps if it happened to you, you would be singing another tune.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey pro-lifers...what about in the instance of rape? A women is made to have sex against her will, she gets pregnant and she is supposed to want to keep this child and give it a great life? Do you really, HONESTLY think that child will have a good life? Every moment she is pregnant, she will be reminded of what happened to her. Every moment of that child's life, she will see nothing but that event happen over and over again. It was NOT her choice to get pregnant or have sex...so how do your ideals make that okay?

Adoption much?

So even though this was completely and utterly unwanted, the woman has to live the event over and over and over each and every day for 9 months? The embryo is just that...an embryo. This woman is already a human being, having lived life and now most likely having to deal with the after effects of rape. I know someone who used to march in pro-life rallies until this happened to her. Perhaps if it happened to you, you would be singing another tune.

If she allowed adoption, she'd have to live with that. Now she has to live with having had terminated that living embryo. We all have to live with something, don't we?

[Anonymous]

http://www.cbrinfo.org/Resources/pictures.html

[Anonymous]

The BBC ultrasound images say it all:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/3847319.stm

[Anonymous]

Last year I had an unplanned pregnancy and contemplated abortion. I don't have any family and knew it would be hard if I had to go it alone. I looked at all of the options including adoption but knew that if I carried a child to term that I wouldn't be able to give it up. I was heartbroken to find that there are very limited resources for women in my position. I was not 'poor enough' to get welfare benefits and certainly did not earn a high enough income to deal with sky high daycare costs in this area. I am definitely pro-choice and thought my decision would be a no brainer. I made the appointment with PP but could not do it. If you're not in the situation you truly cannot have any idea how heartwrenching it is. My heart goes out to women that have had to make that difficult choice. We need to do more in this country to provide more resources to women so that they don't need to feel forced into such a decision for whatever reason. I decided to keep my baby and she is the biggest blessing in my life. I look at her beautiful face every day and am grateful to have her and glad I made the decision I did. Her father is a wonderful man and we now have a happy family life together. I am still pro-choice, but personally would never make that choice for myself. What makes me sick is hearing all of these pro-lifers plead with women to not have abortions but I don't see any of them opening their hearts or homes to women that decide to keep their children despite the struggle. If they are so pro-life, why do they abandon all those single moms that need their help?

[Anonymous]

PP, do you really think pictures change anyone's mind? I mean, anyone who has reached child-bearing age?

Even if they are real, those pictures just remind me that I'm so glad that something that was at the time of termination the size of someone's fingernail did not ruin my life forever.

[Anonymous]

Sorry, thread moving fast, meant first PP who posted pictures.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP, do you really think pictures change anyone's mind? I mean, anyone who has reached child-bearing age?

Even if they are real, those pictures just remind me that I'm so glad that something that was at the time of termination the size of someone's fingernail did not ruin my life forever.

oh yeah.. so if your neighbor makes your life miserable you just kill him/her?

[Anonymous]

what a coward!