Tufts student detained by ICE

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Anonymous wrote:Disagreeing with how a university invests its funds is not illegal, nor is it illegal to express disapproval for how a foreign country conducts itself. Arrest for writing an op-ed? Really.

I sure hope no one finds out that I took part in anti-apartheid rallies and demanded my alma mater divest from any South African holdings.

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Anonymous wrote:At this point ANY student here on a student visa should immediately leave the country.

There is no rule of law here for them any longer. (or for any of us). There is no due process for them and no recourse.

We cannot keep them safe.

Sadly, if I was in their shoes or my child was, I would have to agree. These individuals are not even afforded an opportunity to leave voluntarily.

I understand it would be a hard thing to do. Students here in the US have lives, friends, possibly spouses and children. They are in PhD programs, post docs. They are doing important research. They are in medical school.

But our country is showing no ability to protect those on a student visa from cruel and unusual punishment; no ability to secure them the right to a trial for whatever the charge against them is. No ability or desire to protect their rights as human beings living in the United States, legally, even.

It is sadly time for them to leave. It is not safe here.

And the corollary - other countries should withdraw student visas for US citizens. No more junior year abroad. This behavior from the administration is outrageous. Our citizens should not be welcomed in other countries until we can guarantee the fair and ethical treatment of visitors to our country.

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Anonymous wrote:At this point ANY student here on a student visa should immediately leave the country.

There is no rule of law here for them any longer. (or for any of us). There is no due process for them and no recourse.

We cannot keep them safe.

Sadly, if I was in their shoes or my child was, I would have to agree. These individuals are not even afforded an opportunity to leave voluntarily.

The remaining agitators are, however, being sent a message. Conduct yourself like a guest in our country, or leave now voluntarily, or wait until you're evicted in consequence of your activity. Seems like fair warning at this point.

Your attitude is frightening. What you're advocating is what exchange students to China are told to do. We are better than that.

Nope. Most of us know how to conduct ourselves and don't have to worry. I've never disrupted campus life or classes in my life. Stay in your own country if you don't like how our universities operate.

Yeah - I get why you would think that. But here's the thing:

When you throw out due process, you lose the right to defend yourself in a court of law if someone says you disrupted campus, or broke the law. But you didn't.

If you allow people to be detained and transported to a private prison with no trial, with no ability to defend themselves - that's what you are allowing, for the good people too.

Because how can you prove you are a "good" one, if they swoop you up and carry you away with no court case?

+1 well said. I’m shocked and dismayed that so many don’t seem to understand this. Without due process, there is nothing to stop the government from disappearing anyone, even US citizens who have not broken any laws or “who know how to conduct” themselves in the parlance of the frighteningly naive or disingenuous PP. PP, how would you prove you’re a US citizen or a “good guest” if ICE mistakenly grabbed you on the street?

[Anonymous]

They'll have the hearings they're entitled to before immigration judges and then will be thrown out. I won't miss them, and don't consider their deportation or the future absence of their revolting advocacy to represent any loss to this country whatsoever. If they want to come here and study, fine. if they want to come here to agitate on behalf of non-American interests, don't let the door hit you on the back on your way out.

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Anonymous wrote:Disagreeing with how a university invests its funds is not illegal, nor is it illegal to express disapproval for how a foreign country conducts itself. Arrest for writing an op-ed? Really.

I sure hope no one finds out that I took part in anti-apartheid rallies and demanded my alma mater divest from any South African holdings.

Me too! Oh, and I attended a protest in DC protesting US involvement in Guatemala in the 1980s. The horror!

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Anonymous wrote:They'll have the hearings they're entitled to before immigration judges and then will be thrown out. I won't miss them, and don't consider their deportation or the future absence of their revolting advocacy to represent any loss to this country whatsoever. If they want to come here and study, fine. if they want to come here to agitate on behalf of non-American interests, don't let the door hit you on the back on your way out.

The whole point is that they’re NOT having those hearings. They’re not getting due process.

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Anonymous wrote:I just can't imagine any poster on here getting a student visa to the UK or France (just for example) and then while there openly, loudly, and publicly complaining about their government.

My DC did while on a UK student visa.

When I was in college abroad my friends from the dorm were going to try to disrupt a fox hunt. It was a regular protest thing in the UK at the time. I didn't go for some reason but didn't hesitate thinking I would be in any more trouble than the UK kids if I did. It's inhumane and I'm an animal lover, why wouldn't I protest?

Because you are a guest of that country, and there by their grace. You are not entitled to be in their country.

Grow up

That's not how it works here

We remember
Not all of us are FOX News zombies

And not.all of.us are filled with feelings of self-importance and entitlement when we attend school or visit another country. How about being thankful for the opportunity and being focused on your studies?

Attended Columbia University, Full Bright Scholar, Tufts PhD student, Graduate Assistantship. I’d say she’s very focused on her studies. She was terrified, yet complied.

You on the other hand are sitting on your behind tapping away, feeling self important, and entitled. All this gratitude you think Trump & ilk are entitled to was added to your repertoire when they demanded adulation from Zelensky.

This student was ABDUCTED. Another deliberate deflection from the 18 stupid people who jeopardized our National security, and lied under oath.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They'll have the hearings they're entitled to before immigration judges and then will be thrown out. I won't miss them, and don't consider their deportation or the future absence of their revolting advocacy to represent any loss to this country whatsoever. If they want to come here and study, fine. if they want to come here to agitate on behalf of non-American interests, don't let the door hit you on the back on your way out.

Nope. They are not having those hearings. They are thrown into private prisons run for profit and treated inhumanely.

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Anonymous wrote:At this point ANY student here on a student visa should immediately leave the country.

There is no rule of law here for them any longer. (or for any of us). There is no due process for them and no recourse.

We cannot keep them safe.

Sadly, if I was in their shoes or my child was, I would have to agree. These individuals are not even afforded an opportunity to leave voluntarily.

The remaining agitators are, however, being sent a message. Conduct yourself like a guest in our country, or leave now voluntarily, or wait until you're evicted in consequence of your activity. Seems like fair warning at this point.

Your attitude is frightening. What you're advocating is what exchange students to China are told to do. We are better than that.

Nope. Most of us know how to conduct ourselves and don't have to worry. I've never disrupted campus life or classes in my life. Stay in your own country if you don't like how our universities operate.

Yeah - I get why you would think that. But here's the thing:

When you throw out due process, you lose the right to defend yourself in a court of law if someone says you disrupted campus, or broke the law. But you didn't.

If you allow people to be detained and transported to a private prison with no trial, with no ability to defend themselves - that's what you are allowing, for the good people too.

Because how can you prove you are a "good" one, if they swoop you up and carry you away with no court case?

+1 well said. I’m shocked and dismayed that so many don’t seem to understand this. Without due process, there is nothing to stop the government from disappearing anyone, even US citizens who have not broken any laws or “who know how to conduct” themselves in the parlance of the frighteningly naive or disingenuous PP. PP, how would you prove you’re a US citizen or a “good guest” if ICE mistakenly grabbed you on the street?

To be fair, I think the person who is arguing that this is a good idea is a Russian troll, not an American citizen.

[Anonymous]

They should pull all student visas from Massachusetts, since it releases illegal aliens rather than hold them for ICE to deport.

[Anonymous]

I have spent most of my life abroad.

Middle East, South America mostly.

Good bit in Europe and Australia.

Really, while shocking to people who do not travel; even in Australia visa holders do not get away with what US Visa holders have.

Social media is monitored; forget about campus take overs pretty much anywhere in the world on a visa.

Sorry, just a reality check and kind of how the world works.
Except US universities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have spent most of my life abroad.

Middle East, South America mostly.

Good bit in Europe and Australia.

Really, while shocking to people who do not travel; even in Australia visa holders do not get away with what US Visa holders have.

Social media is monitored; forget about campus take overs pretty much anywhere in the world on a visa.

Sorry, just a reality check and kind of how the world works.
Except US universities.

Not even an op ed in a college paper?

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of students on it are US citizens. I know some of them. What are they going to do with the US citizens on the list? Arrest them? Or take their citizenship away and deport them to Panama?

Anti-semitism is a crime. Am I wrong about this?

It’s only a crime if it leads someone to break specific laws. People can express antisemitic or Nazi or racist ideas—they just can’t act on them in a way that breaks a law.

You.cannot attend a.public institution paid for by taxpayer money and spout antisemetic, Nazi, or racist ideas. You may not be.a.criminal, but you can be.expelled or punished in some way.

That means anti-Palestinian too. Israeli students take note.

Funny, i don't remember violent and offensive Israeli student protests, where covered their faces to try to avoid being identified and chanted "From Israel to the sea, empty Gaza so we can be free", or any nonsense like that.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

This is absolutely horrifying. This policy appears to specifically target pro-Palestinian voices while ignoring other controversial protests . Such selective enforcement is politically motivated rather than based on national security. Universities thrive on open debate, and punishing students for their political views undermines academic institutions. The policy disproportionately affects Muslim and Arab students, reinforcing harmful stereotypes that equate Palestinian activism with terrorism. Similar government actions in history, like the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII have later been condemned as racist and unconstitutional. If a government can deport non-citizens for their political beliefs, what stops it from targeting U.S. citizens next ? History shows that when governments suppress dissent, it escalates toward broader crackdowns on civil rights.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They'll have the hearings they're entitled to before immigration judges and then will be thrown out. I won't miss them, and don't consider their deportation or the future absence of their revolting advocacy to represent any loss to this country whatsoever. If they want to come here and study, fine. if they want to come here to agitate on behalf of non-American interests, don't let the door hit you on the back on your way out.

I don't give a flip that you are butt hurt by their politics. It's clear you don't understand the Constitution. You are most likely a Russian bot given how much you post.