Tufts student detained by ICE

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just can't imagine any poster on here getting a student visa to the UK or France (just for example) and then while there openly, loudly, and publicly complaining about their government.

My DC did while on a UK student visa.

When I was in college abroad my friends from the dorm were going to try to disrupt a fox hunt. It was a regular protest thing in the UK at the time. I didn't go for some reason but didn't hesitate thinking I would be in any more trouble than the UK kids if I did. It's inhumane and I'm an animal lover, why wouldn't I protest?

Because you are a guest of that country, and there by their grace. You are not entitled to be in their country.

Grow up

That's not how it works here

We remember
Not all of us are FOX News zombies

And not.all of.us are filled with feelings of self-importance and entitlement when we attend school or visit another country. How about being thankful for the opportunity and being focused on your studies?

In non-autocratic regimes, this isn't a problem.

You seem to have a problem with rules, boundaries, regulations, and laws.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At this point ANY student here on a student visa should immediately leave the country.

There is no rule of law here for them any longer. (or for any of us). There is no due process for them and no recourse.

We cannot keep them safe.

Sadly, if I was in their shoes or my child was, I would have to agree. These individuals are not even afforded an opportunity to leave voluntarily.

The remaining agitators are, however, being sent a message. Conduct yourself like a guest in our country, or leave now voluntarily, or wait until you're evicted in consequence of your activity. Seems like fair warning at this point.

Your attitude is frightening. What you're advocating is what exchange students to China are told to do. We are better than that.

Nope. Most of us know how to conduct ourselves and don't have to worry. I've never disrupted campus life or classes in my life. Stay in your own country if you don't like how our universities operate.

Sounds like you'd be a perfect fit for some cosmopolitican Moscow living.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of students on it are US citizens. I know some of them. What are they going to do with the US citizens on the list? Arrest them? Or take their citizenship away and deport them to Panama?

Anti-semitism is a crime. Am I wrong about this?

It’s only a crime if it leads someone to break specific laws. People can express antisemitic or Nazi or racist ideas—they just can’t act on them in a way that breaks a law.

You.cannot attend a.public institution paid for by taxpayer money and spout antisemetic, Nazi, or racist ideas. You may not be.a.criminal, but you can be.expelled or punished in some way.

That means anti-Palestinian too. Israeli students take note.

Funny, i don't remember violent and offensive Israeli student protests, where covered their faces to try to avoid being identified and chanted "From Israel to the sea, empty Gaza so we can be free", or any nonsense like that.

I do. Are you forgetting the violent mob of pro-Israeli students who attacked other students at UCLA?

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/05/16/us/ucla-student-protests-counterprotesters-invs

[Anonymous]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/27/state-department-visas-pro-palestine-protesters

Is this even legal. There is no category for lunatics under immigration law.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At this point ANY student here on a student visa should immediately leave the country.

There is no rule of law here for them any longer. (or for any of us). There is no due process for them and no recourse.

We cannot keep them safe.

Sadly, if I was in their shoes or my child was, I would have to agree. These individuals are not even afforded an opportunity to leave voluntarily.

The remaining agitators are, however, being sent a message. Conduct yourself like a guest in our country, or leave now voluntarily, or wait until you're evicted in consequence of your activity. Seems like fair warning at this point.

Your attitude is frightening. What you're advocating is what exchange students to China are told to do. We are better than that.

Nope. Most of us know how to conduct ourselves and don't have to worry. I've never disrupted campus life or classes in my life. Stay in your own country if you don't like how our universities operate.

I learned Kent State was bad. Didn’t you?

I think it's time we stop
Children, what's that sound?
Everybody look what's going down

There's battle lines being drawn
And nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking their minds
Are gettin' so much resistance from behind

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of students on it are US citizens. I know some of them. What are they going to do with the US citizens on the list? Arrest them? Or take their citizenship away and deport them to Panama?

Anti-semitism is a crime. Am I wrong about this?

It’s only a crime if it leads someone to break specific laws. People can express antisemitic or Nazi or racist ideas—they just can’t act on them in a way that breaks a law.

You.cannot attend a.public institution paid for by taxpayer money and spout antisemetic, Nazi, or racist ideas. You may not be.a.criminal, but you can be.expelled or punished in some way.

Please show us the law that says that.

Also, the student in this thread did none of those things.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At this point ANY student here on a student visa should immediately leave the country.

There is no rule of law here for them any longer. (or for any of us). There is no due process for them and no recourse.

We cannot keep them safe.

Sadly, if I was in their shoes or my child was, I would have to agree. These individuals are not even afforded an opportunity to leave voluntarily.

The remaining agitators are, however, being sent a message. Conduct yourself like a guest in our country, or leave now voluntarily, or wait until you're evicted in consequence of your activity. Seems like fair warning at this point.

Your attitude is frightening. What you're advocating is what exchange students to China are told to do. We are better than that.

Nope. Most of us know how to conduct ourselves and don't have to worry. I've never disrupted campus life or classes in my life. Stay in your own country if you don't like how our universities operate.

That's nice but there's no evidence that the specific student discussed in this thread or other students who have been identified for deportation or deported have done those things either.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of students on it are US citizens. I know some of them. What are they going to do with the US citizens on the list? Arrest them? Or take their citizenship away and deport them to Panama?

Anti-semitism is a crime. Am I wrong about this?

It’s only a crime if it leads someone to break specific laws. People can express antisemitic or Nazi or racist ideas—they just can’t act on them in a way that breaks a law.

You.cannot attend a.public institution paid for by taxpayer money and spout antisemetic, Nazi, or racist ideas. You may not be.a.criminal, but you can be.expelled or punished in some way.

That means anti-Palestinian too. Israeli students take note.

Funny, i don't remember violent and offensive Israeli student protests, where covered their faces to try to avoid being identified and chanted "From Israel to the sea, empty Gaza so we can be free", or any nonsense like that.

UCLA. Checkmate, dumb dumb.

[Anonymous]

Disagreeing with how a university invests its funds is not illegal, nor is it illegal to express disapproval for how a foreign country conducts itself. Arrest for writing an op-ed? Really.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At this point ANY student here on a student visa should immediately leave the country.

There is no rule of law here for them any longer. (or for any of us). There is no due process for them and no recourse.

We cannot keep them safe.

Sadly, if I was in their shoes or my child was, I would have to agree. These individuals are not even afforded an opportunity to leave voluntarily.

The remaining agitators are, however, being sent a message. Conduct yourself like a guest in our country, or leave now voluntarily, or wait until you're evicted in consequence of your activity. Seems like fair warning at this point.

Your attitude is frightening. What you're advocating is what exchange students to China are told to do. We are better than that.

Nope. Most of us know how to conduct ourselves and don't have to worry. I've never disrupted campus life or classes in my life. Stay in your own country if you don't like how our universities operate.

Sounds like you'd be a perfect fit for some cosmopolitican Moscow living.

Not at all. I love the USA and all the freedoms we have. I worked hard in college and had a part-time job. I was appreciative for the opportunity to get a college degree from an excellent university.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of students on it are US citizens. I know some of them. What are they going to do with the US citizens on the list? Arrest them? Or take their citizenship away and deport them to Panama?

Anti-semitism is a crime. Am I wrong about this?

It’s only a crime if it leads someone to break specific laws. People can express antisemitic or Nazi or racist ideas—they just can’t act on them in a way that breaks a law.

You.cannot attend a.public institution paid for by taxpayer money and spout antisemetic, Nazi, or racist ideas. You may not be.a.criminal, but you can be.expelled or punished in some way.

That means anti-Palestinian too. Israeli students take note.

Funny, i don't remember violent and offensive Israeli student protests, where covered their faces to try to avoid being identified and chanted "From Israel to the sea, empty Gaza so we can be free", or any nonsense like that.

I do. Are you forgetting the violent mob of pro-Israeli students who attacked other students at UCLA?

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/05/16/us/ucla-student-protests-counterprotesters-invs

Wtf does that have to do with this woman? You want her punished for what happened at UCLA?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At this point ANY student here on a student visa should immediately leave the country.

There is no rule of law here for them any longer. (or for any of us). There is no due process for them and no recourse.

We cannot keep them safe.

Sadly, if I was in their shoes or my child was, I would have to agree. These individuals are not even afforded an opportunity to leave voluntarily.

The remaining agitators are, however, being sent a message. Conduct yourself like a guest in our country, or leave now voluntarily, or wait until you're evicted in consequence of your activity. Seems like fair warning at this point.

Your attitude is frightening. What you're advocating is what exchange students to China are told to do. We are better than that.

Nope. Most of us know how to conduct ourselves and don't have to worry. I've never disrupted campus life or classes in my life. Stay in your own country if you don't like how our universities operate.

Yeah - I get why you would think that. But here's the thing:

When you throw out due process, you lose the right to defend yourself in a court of law if someone says you disrupted campus, or broke the law. But you didn't.

If you allow people to be detained and transported to a private prison with no trial, with no ability to defend themselves - that's what you are allowing, for the good people too.

Because how can you prove you are a "good" one, if they swoop you up and carry you away with no court case?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At this point ANY student here on a student visa should immediately leave the country.

There is no rule of law here for them any longer. (or for any of us). There is no due process for them and no recourse.

We cannot keep them safe.

Sadly, if I was in their shoes or my child was, I would have to agree. These individuals are not even afforded an opportunity to leave voluntarily.

The remaining agitators are, however, being sent a message. Conduct yourself like a guest in our country, or leave now voluntarily, or wait until you're evicted in consequence of your activity. Seems like fair warning at this point.

Your attitude is frightening. What you're advocating is what exchange students to China are told to do. We are better than that.

Nope. Most of us know how to conduct ourselves and don't have to worry. I've never disrupted campus life or classes in my life. Stay in your own country if you don't like how our universities operate.

Sounds like you'd be a perfect fit for some cosmopolitican Moscow living.

Not at all. I love the USA and all the freedoms we have. I worked hard in college and had a part-time job. I was appreciative for the opportunity to get a college degree from an excellent university.

How did you manage to not learn anything about rights? Was this college in the US?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At this point ANY student here on a student visa should immediately leave the country.

There is no rule of law here for them any longer. (or for any of us). There is no due process for them and no recourse.

We cannot keep them safe.

Sadly, if I was in their shoes or my child was, I would have to agree. These individuals are not even afforded an opportunity to leave voluntarily.

The remaining agitators are, however, being sent a message. Conduct yourself like a guest in our country, or leave now voluntarily, or wait until you're evicted in consequence of your activity. Seems like fair warning at this point.

Your attitude is frightening. What you're advocating is what exchange students to China are told to do. We are better than that.

Nope. Most of us know how to conduct ourselves and don't have to worry. I've never disrupted campus life or classes in my life. Stay in your own country if you don't like how our universities operate.

The Tufts student did not do any of the things you listed. She did not disrupt campus life nor classes. All she did was write an op-ed. Are you saying international students shouldn’t express their opinions and ideas peacefully? I remember multiple history/writing classes where the class was divided into two camps to debate and discuss events. So should students not do this assignment because someone/somewhere will round up the list of students who took a stance contrary to what a current administration decides to take years after the fact? How do I know years in advance that my paper will fall on the wrong side of some future (despotic) administration?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At this point ANY student here on a student visa should immediately leave the country.

There is no rule of law here for them any longer. (or for any of us). There is no due process for them and no recourse.

We cannot keep them safe.

Sadly, if I was in their shoes or my child was, I would have to agree. These individuals are not even afforded an opportunity to leave voluntarily.

I understand it would be a hard thing to do. Students here in the US have lives, friends, possibly spouses and children. They are in PhD programs, post docs. They are doing important research. They are in medical school.

But our country is showing no ability to protect those on a student visa from cruel and unusual punishment; no ability to secure them the right to a trial for whatever the charge against them is. No ability or desire to protect their rights as human beings living in the United States, legally, even.

It is sadly time for them to leave. It is not safe here.